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WMD Update
April 8, 2007 - 07:48 ET by Free StinkerHere is an update to The Case For Invading Iraq And Removing Saddam Hussein From Power. (v.3.2)
Saddam Hussein used Chemical weapon in three different situations, attacked 6 nations, violated the terms of the Gulf War surrender, planned the assassination of a former US President, collaborated with and harbored terrorists, and was – according to the New York Times – one year away from building an Atomic Bomb before he was finally overthrown. Specific citations are below.
Hat Tip to Chris Donohoe, Sua Sponte 75, NL207, dahliatravers, and (**) for some of the descriptions & links.
I. Saddam was known to have WMD and used it in at least 3 separate situations.
II. There is a long list of WMD, delivery systems (banned conventional weapons) found in Iraq
III. Saddam Hussein had a History of Aggression, attacking 6 other nations.
IV. Terrorists have been found in Iraq & there were numerous associations between Iraq & terrorists
V. Other Casus Belli
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** My apologies to the person who originally posted items # 18-22 (section IV) on Newsbusters. I cannot find your original post to get your nom de plume and give you a Hat Tip for finding these items.
** My apologies to the pers
April 8, 2007 - 09:40 ET by Mean Gene Dr. Love** My apologies to the person who originally posted items # 18-22
(section IV) on Newsbusters. I cannot find your original post to get
your nom de plume and give you a Hat Tip for finding these items.
No problem FS. I'm just glad you were able to find the time to compile the list.
"There is a time to take counsel of your fears, and there is a time to never listen to any fear." --General George S. Patton, Jr.
Mean Gene
April 8, 2007 - 21:58 ET by Free StinkerThanks Doc! :-)
I'll make sure to add the HT on my next update!
I keep doing searches on BBC, & CNN with the idea being the Trools can't complain about their favorite "news" sources. And it's amazing what you can find even at those places.
God bless ya free!If only the
June 13, 2007 - 19:41 ET by TruthMongerGod bless ya free!
If only the MSM would broadcast this 24/7 - terrorism and liberalism would be over for good...
FreeStinker,concerning the Wa
April 8, 2007 - 08:29 ET by ArmedDadFreeStinker,concerning the WaPo article linked to in sect.V no.2.Key to President Clinton's case against Saddam was the confession of two Iraqi operatives.Where was the hue and cry about the methods used to obtain the information,a la KSM?My guess is there wasn't any.I'm not knocking President Clinton,at least in this case,but this demonstrates the difference in treatment Dems and Repubs get in the media and from liberals who claim to value human rights abve all.
Human Rights
April 16, 2007 - 18:13 ET by Jerry MackThe Dems and Msm value human rights issues as a weapon to be used against Republicans. Gitmo according to the Msm and Democrats was a modern day torture camp. I have not heard of a single person being charged with commiting torture there. I sure heard a lot of accusations from the Msm and the Democrats.
I've heard that the guards
April 16, 2007 - 20:59 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveI've heard that the guards are being "tortured" by the prisoners there. I hear the gaurds are regulary doused with bodily fluid "cocktails" and feces. The guards have to take extreme measures to avoid being bitten or otherwise attacked, plus I'm pretty sure that there are at least two guards present while dealing with prisoners "one-on-one" to ensure the safety of the guards and to ensure there is a second witness in case something happens. And yet...these prisoners (and the MSM) "scream human rights violation!" when someone is interrogated.
"I'd rather be bald than to pretend that I'm not!" --Mean Gene Dr. Love on comb-overs.
Hrm...
April 17, 2007 - 01:36 ET by Mr. BishopBodily fluid "cocktails" and feces... bitten, attacked -- you know, I was watching a show on the History Channel, as well as another one on the Discovery Channel -- and the amazing thing is, this sounds exactly like San Quentin... In fact, in San Quentin, there has to be 3 guards to feed prisoners in solitary, with one of them moving a sliding bullet proof shield along some rollers so the other two can hand out food...
Amazingly, this sounds an awful lot like Iraq... I guess the Dems are getting what they want, a prison system identical to ours.
"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" - Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"
.WMD List Update
April 29, 2007 - 08:09 ET by Free StinkerHere is an update to The Case For Invading Iraq And Removing Saddam Hussein From Power. (v.3.3) [updated May 1, 2007]
Saddam Hussein used Chemical weapon in three different situations, attacked 6 nations, violated the terms of the Gulf War surrender, planned the assassination of a former US President, collaborated with and harbored terrorists, and was - according to the New York Times – one year away from building an Atomic Bomb before he was finally overthrown. Specific citations are below.
Hat Tip to Chris Donohoe, Sua Sponte 75, NL207, dahliatravers, and Mean Gene Dr. Love for some of the descriptions & links.
I. Saddam was known to have WMD and used it in at least 3 separate situations.
II. There is a long list of WMD, delivery systems (banned conventional weapons) found in Iraq
III. Saddam Hussein had a History of Aggression, attacking 6 other nations.
IV. Terrorists have been found in Iraq & there were numerous associations between Iraq & terrorists
V. Other Casus Belli
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ARRFind info aboveSupreme Cou
June 3, 2007 - 09:32 ET byARR
Find info above
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
Free,Thanks for putting this
May 5, 2007 - 20:01 ET byFree,
Thanks for putting this up
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
move to topSupreme Court, N
May 17, 2007 - 20:47 ET bymove to top
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
karma for "peace nuts"
May 26, 2007 - 15:54 ET by j17ghsIn their next lives, Mother Sheehan types will watch as madmen cut out the tongues of their loved ones and shove electrical wires up their ignorant, tight asses. Then they'll understand that defeating the barbarian throwbacks is vital. It's easy to think peace when you're not the one hanging from piano wire in a cell infested with lice-carrying rats that won't even eat the food you're fed. Any questions? No, I didn't think so.
Mother Sheehan has already tr
June 11, 2007 - 19:27 ET by USnotU.S.Mother Sheehan has already tried to live through the fact that she lost her son for the illegal war that YOU believe in. What did YOU do today?
Seriously, give me a break!
This person's son became cannon fodder. Was he not a brave US soldier? How can you suggest that she is undermining brave US personel? She just wants them home, unharmed, like she wished for her own son.
Take a deep breath, and think about things, will you?
If you care for the soldiers in Iraq. Your soldiers, UK's soldiers, even Australian soldiers.
Don't cheapen them with your far-right-wing views on a mourning mother, you ignorant ****.
Yes, it's got 4 letters. Which one was it? Let's hope it wasn't nazi.....
Nice.Welcome to the boards, h
June 11, 2007 - 19:31 ET by BlondeNice.
Welcome to the boards, here.
This isn't DKOS.
Care to start again?
Apparently just another drive-by Troll, blonde
June 11, 2007 - 21:55 ET by RJI don't think USnotUS is interested in debate, blonde. Earlier, I tried inviting it to conversation, but only got more liberal bumper sticker one-liners in return.
Apparently, it's just another Troll, genus Drive-by. Too bad, considering it claims to be Aussie...... ;^>
Quite, RJ.I was just trying t
June 11, 2007 - 22:21 ET by BlondeQuite, RJ.
I was just trying to be polite, as my mum taught me.
Perhaps the effort was lost on a troll.
But I had to try.
Blonde,Hey, don't get down
June 11, 2007 - 22:39 ET by Dave RBlonde,
Hey, don't get down on yourself. After all, you took the high ground (initially, anyway).
Besides, with our resident cactus-plucker relegated into (permanent?) exile, we need a new troll to abuse. :-)
'night.....
Build the damn fence, George!
Nice to see you here USnotUS
June 13, 2007 - 19:48 ET by TruthMongerHere's how it's done folks:
Nice to see you here USnotUS - too bad more of you leftoid scum moonbats haven't been able to read over the last 3 or 4 years - enjoy this thread to it's juicy fullest you treasonous terrorist-loving mother ****er...
also please enjoy a few more asterisk letters from me for your pondering pleasure:) ***hole
Did you even read the links?
June 11, 2007 - 19:48 ET byDid you even read the links? Don't let the truth change your mind. Cindy used her son's death as a soapbox to refute the very things Casey lived and died for. That is the most disgraceful thing she could do to her son's memory.
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
Bleeping Aussie troll.
June 11, 2007 - 22:05 ET by Dave RSo, just how are things over in Londonistan these days, anyway?
Seen any good explosions, lately?
How do you feel about Muslims seeking to outlaw swimming in British schools?
Have you been fitted for your turban, robe and sandals yet? Better hurry, as I hear you can still get a discount, particularly if you buy in bulk.
Oh, and just exactly how much of a jizya are your soon-to-be barbarian masters going to be extracting from you by force every year, you know, so they won't cut your fool head off with a dull, rusty sword?
Build the damn fence, George!
What was that US not U. S. ?
June 11, 2007 - 23:02 ET by SportPoliticsWhat was that US not U. S. ?
"Mother Sheehan has already tried to live through the fact...."
What have we done today ?
Well, we haven't died like she has, can you provide a link to her expiration, please ?
Hello Free.............
June 11, 2007 - 23:50 ET by shawn228Hello Free...............
Well, I have to say, when you state something, you really do your homework to back it up. I still believe the price we paid in Iraq was too great, The war was a mistake. In no way am I blaming President Bush, because congress seen all the same intelligence and most of them voted for it. i am also very grateful to the troops that keep us safe and put themselves on the line every day. Just a few questions. Many people"including the President" say If I knew then what I know now, I would do the same thing.
If you knew that we would not find any evidence of WMD, what would Colin Powell have presented to the UN to justify the invasion except for how brutal of a dictator Saddam is or was.
Even though you know that 3500 troops would lose their lives, thousands of troops coming home with physical injuries many losing legs, arms and limbs., pychological injuries, over 500 billion spent already, thousands innocent women and children getting blown up as collateral damage, "mostly by terrorist" and maybe I am reading too much msm but I believe the military is stretched thin. Why else would Gates increase deployment times? Knowing all of this you would still invade Iraq? Collin Powel does not think so. What did we really gain?:
:An Iraqis right to vote
Free elections
A good military base to launch a attack agains Iran
A Brutal Dictator and his sons gone
Was acheiving all these goals worth it?
I also believe that Iran has played a game of cat and mouse with us because they know it would be very hard for us to fight two wars at once. If we did not go to war in Iraq. Iran never would have dared to let it escalate to this level. Anyways Free you make very good points for your justification, I just do not agree we are now better off after going to war, which does not make me a traitor like Liberal Bug Zapper. says..
shawn
June 12, 2007 - 00:08 ET by misterbillshawn-- In one sense, even one life is too much to pay. So what would you do? I know I was not alone when I was pleased that Pres. Bush declared war on Iraq. I have been to war. People get wounded, crippled, die. That is war. It is horrible. So, what would you do??? After all this time, I am still convinced when we are successful and finished in the mideast, we will find where the WMDs are. Saddam may have been a lot of things, but he was not stupid. I am not sure if the same can be said for Assad.(That is where I believe the WMDs are.) I will ask you to review the threats of Islamic extremists. Don't you believe that the majority of the Muslim areas would like to see us destroyed for one main reason? That reason is that we are not subscribing to the faith of Islam. Look carefully at what is happening in Europe. Got to a search engine and enter "Blackburnistan". Find out what ethnic groups rioted and burned property in France. Which cleric in Germany refused the holy book of another religion as being "dirty"? What happened in Kosovo??? What people first armed ?? Who are the KLA. Which side committed which atrocity?? Which side performed a ritual beheading that furthered the ire of theother side and added fuel to the war? How many men does the USA have i the Armed Forces. How many do we need? If , in your opiniom there are not enough, how would you resolve the situation?
Finally, do you honestly believe we would be left in peace if we were to reduce our Armed Forces, retreat from Iraq (I know you are not suggesting that), close our bases around most of the world? Would we be left in peace????
Where’s the coward that would not dare to fight for such a land? And the parent that wouldn't be honored by the sacrifice?
Sir Walter Scott & Noel Sheppard
misterbill
June 12, 2007 - 09:04 ET by shawn228Hello misterbill,
I am not going to lie. I was one of those people that were laughing at the liberals before this war started. My opinion was look at French during ww2. You are not going to attack us Mr. Hitler we are peace loving people right? The way to win was to a good offence.
I regret that type of thinking because, Sadamm let the weapons inspecters in the country and was co-operating with them. If we had listened to Hans Blix and given them more time, we would not had to invade. It is a moot point now, but if we had more troops when we invaded, we might have been able to secure Iraq. I don't agree with the VP very often, but I agreed with him when he said we would be greeted as liberators. We were greeted as liberaters, the Iraqis were very glad to be freed from a ruthless tyrant. The Iraqis resent us now because in there eyes we cannot protect them from terrorist and militias. There is talk of civil war between Sunni and Shia"some believe it has started". Sadamm was terrible and him and his sons did it with a iron fist, but at least he had order.
The thing that frightens me most is Iran. They are on a verge of getting a nuke. It feels like the cat and mouse game a few yrs ago. North Korea kicked out all the inpecters and pretty much challenged the US to attack them. Now Korea has the bomb. Iran i'm guessing does not have the bomb yet and It is actually something in going to war on. If we did not lose world credibility by going in alone and finding no WMD, they might have joined us in attacking Iran. The thought of them having a bomb is frightening and I believe soon to be a reality.
To answer you questions misterbill, I fully under how dangerous terrorist are, they have a different mentality and will love for us to die, even though it meants losing their own. I have stated repeatedly I do not agree with the Democrats that we should leave. We should stay until the job is complete. I am just saying the war was a mistake and why would anyone do it all over again if they knew then what they know now
"Sadamm let the weapons
June 12, 2007 - 10:33 ET by Mean Gene Dr. Love"Sadamm let the weapons inspecters in the country and was co-operating with them"
Saddam was not cooperating with weapons inspectors see this. And more here. He continually blocked inspectors, wouldn't let them into sites (as they drove loaded trucks out the back) until the site was "clean", and played this cat and mouse game with inspectors and the U.N. for 5 years.
"The Iraqis resent us now..."
Where is your evidence that the Iraqis resent us now? I've seen footage of a lot of Iraqis that appear to be very happy to be around U.S. soldiers.
"Sadamm was terrible and him and his sons did it with a iron fist, but at least he had order."
So it's O.K. with you to have a ruthless tyrant rule over a suffering humanity so long as he maintains order? That's messed up. So can I assume it must be O.K. with you to see a wife and children stay with an abusive father because he pays the bills and maintains order in the house?
"If we did not lose world credibility by going in alone and finding no WMD..."
We did not go into Iraq alone--there was a "coalition of the willing" called the "Multi-National Force - Iraq" that was made up of 49 countries to defeat Saddam. And WMD paraphenalia, materials, and modest amounts of biological, nerve, and other chemical agents have been found. It just isn't being reported through the MSM because it collides with their agenda. If anything, U.S. credibility increased when we finally did invade Iraq...we were finally following through with our threats. Public opinion and credibility are two very different things.
Do some research, you'll find that your assumptions are a bit off the mark.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." --Thomas Jefferson
Mean Gene, your links a
June 12, 2007 - 23:03 ET by shawn228Saddam was not cooperating with weapons inspectors see this. And more here.
He continually blocked inspectors, wouldn't let them into sites (as
they drove loaded trucks out the back) until the site was "clean", and
played this cat and mouse game with inspectors and the U.N. for 5 years.
Mean Gene, your links about the weapons inspecters are almost 5 years before the US invasion and Hans Blix
So it's O.K. with you to have a ruthless tyrant rule over a suffering
humanity so long as he maintains order? That's messed up. So can I
assume it must be O.K. with you to see a wife and children stay with an
abusive father because he pays the bills and maintains order
I would hate for a mother and child to live with an abusive father, but if the alternative is for bombs going off her house all the time, and a chance of her getting shot or killed by a suicide bomber every time she goes to store to buy milk"if it is even available" as cruel as it may sound I would pick the former over the latter.
We did not go into Iraq alone--there was a "coalition of the willing"
called the "Multi-National Force - Iraq" that was made up of 49
countries to defeat Saddam. And WMD paraphenalia, materials, and modest amounts of biological, nerve, and other chemical agents have been found. It just isn't being reported through the MSM because it collides with their agenda. If
anything, U.S. credibility increased when we finally did invade
Iraq...we were finally following through with our threats. Public
opinion and credibility are two very different things.
If we truly found the WMD, the President would say so. I have heard him say we will find those WMD but I never heard him say we have found the WMD, have you?
shawn, my guess is the Iraq
June 12, 2007 - 23:09 ET by Free Stinkershawn, my guess is the Iraqi mom chose the alternative.
Witness the long lines and massive voter turnout in every post-Saddam election - this despite the threats of violance against voters.
freestinker
June 12, 2007 - 23:21 ET by shawn228I very admire much admire their courage freestinker, before we leave Iraq, I am hoping there can by some form of stability.
We were all here watching the
June 13, 2007 - 20:09 ET by TruthMongerWe were all here watching the process unfold. I don't need links to know that saddam did not allow blix and company back in as fully required by the UN - they may have been allowed in for show but they did not have the same access to the same facilities...I saw it all myself in the news - largely in the anti-Bush MSM spin cycles no less...
Saddam would still be in power today if he had simply complied with the UN inspection process - he had 14 MONTHS to do so during our military buildup...
Would would Powell say to the UN without the threat of Iraqi WMD's? How about "do UN security council resolutions mean anything at all? Saddam has violated well over 10, perhaps as many as 20 since the invasion of Kuwait depending on your viewpoint. So again does the UN mean anything at all here? Saddam is flicking you people the bird here. What are you going to do UN? Are you going to let this continue and encourage others to do the same?"
A short time later of course we all found out that the UN security council was on Saddams Oil for Food scam payroll all along...no wonder they opposed an invasion...and France and Russia were making money selling goods to Iraq...they didn't want to see Hussein go...this whole thing was an astounding left wing scam of staggering proportions...
The stench of the whole mess and the worldwide left's attempt to bury it all is beyond dispicable...
Use some logic and critical t
June 13, 2007 - 10:07 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveUse some logic and critical thinking. If Saddam had 5 years to move and hide his WMD materials and programs, then that would mean at the end of the 5 years, he would have much less to worry about and would be giving the "appearance" of cooperating with weapons inspectors. Read the articles. Do some thinking. You apparently weren't following the news very closely on this from 1997-2003 or you have a very short/selective memory.
I feel sorry for you that you feel nothing is worth sacrificing for freedom. This is typical of liberals and that is why everything is morally equivalent with them. When nothing is valued over anything else, then it isn't worth fighting for. Freedom should not be exclusive to those that already have it. If we are in a position to assist a nation in being free, I think it is worth the sacrifices in lives and money.
So you won't believe that we have found WMD unless George Bush tells you we have? Interesting. I thought you didn't trust GWB. Why would you take his word if he told us we found WMD? I have noticed that GWB doesn't do much explaining about things as he is too busy being the president. Read the two links I provided...you can find more of them if you look, but I know that you don't want it to be true, so you won't look.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." --Thomas Jefferson
Speculation is that they ar
June 13, 2007 - 10:18 ET by Sergeant ROCKSpeculation is that they are buried in the Bekah Valley in Syria.
Clearly, what we have here is a case of BDS.
Sarge,What would a MOAB do if
June 13, 2007 - 19:36 ET bySarge,
What would a MOAB do if planted in the middle?
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
Mean Gene, Please tell
June 13, 2007 - 22:34 ET by shawn228Mean Gene, Please tell me why George Bush or any Republicans that voted for the war for that matter have remained silent about finding WMD, If we really did find them, wouldn't they say so? I have heard Bush admit to not finding WMD, why would he do that if they were there? I read your first link, and some of the links in your 2nd but there were too many to click.
I will say for the 7th time. I want us to succeed in Iraq, freedom and security for the Iraqis is important to me and the Democrats in the congress are trying to get us to pull out so we can make Iraq a haven for the terrorist. I have said from day 1 since I joined this site that I believe the Iraq war was not worth it and a mistake., but since we are there we need to succeed. If you truly believe we are better off now, you have a right to your opinion.
PS
Seargent Rock
You said I have a bad case of BDS, can you tell me one time on this thread or any other time I flamed Bush in the last 3 months.
Shawn, You've seen the WMD l
June 13, 2007 - 22:42 ET by Free StinkerShawn,
You've seen the WMD list above, haven't you?
If G.Bush did or did not hold a press conference to declare these, does either action of his change the fact of what has been found (and written about) ?
Freestinker,Yes I have
June 13, 2007 - 22:55 ET by shawn228Freestinker,
Yes I have seen it. It was very impressive and it looked like a lot of work compiling that list. Lots of the links delt with Sadamm using Chemical weapons on his own people and nobody disputes that Sadamm had wmd at one time.
We did not find any WMD when we invaded Iraq, even President Bush has admitted this. I will concede your links about the possibility about Sadamm sneaking those WMD across the border to Syria is a possiblity.
Like Colin Powell, said. Iraq is a war I would have liked to avoid. FS I still love my country and I support the troops 100%, I just do not believe the war was worth the price. I have not heard you say this FS, but lots of people think that makes less of patriot. I would not be surprised if Bush has had 2nd thoughts, he just would never admit that publicly.
Shawn--just a quick note---
June 13, 2007 - 23:04 ET by misterbillShawn--just a quick note---but first an excuse--the older I get and the more I read the less I remember the source of my viewing/reading input. That said, I distinctly remember seeing the videos of the children lying dead in the streets beside their mothers in the Kurdish area of Iraq. It was heart-wrenching. Any punishment received by Saddam and his cohorts was well deserved.
Oh, by the way, there was a powdery substance around the deceased. I guess you could call it war games practice to prepare for Iran. At any rate, the powder was a chemical--chemicals are WMDs. Where were they when we invaded?? Where are they now???
Yes misterbill, i remembe
June 13, 2007 - 23:37 ET by shawn228Yes misterbill, i remember that, Sadamm used chemical weapons on his own people. I am not denying he was a horrible dictator.
shawn -- maybe I am an old sentimental
June 13, 2007 - 23:50 ET by misterbillshawn -- maybe I am an old sentimental fool, but the deliberate killing of children, any children, anywhere makes my blood boil. A decent UN would have brought Saddam to his knees years before if they had but one testicle among all of them. Another example of my feelings--when snipers were shooting children in the streets of Sarajevo--I did not care who was on what side--there was no excuse for it--the nutless UN waited until a large number of innocent civilians were killed before intervening. The most horrible video I saw was a young boy shot down in the street. His mother went to him, she was shot also. The sniper then put more bullets into the boy. All hail to the hero, may he burn in hell for all eternity.
You are not a sentimental
June 13, 2007 - 23:54 ET by shawn228You are not a sentimental old fool, I feel the same way. Anyone that rapes women and kids is scum. What are your feelings about pressure for the USA to get involved in Dalfur?
the USA as PART of a ---
June 14, 2007 - 00:04 ET by misterbillthe USA as PART of a ---UN team should stop the genocide in Darfur. The people are helpless they have no weapons and as far as I can tell their only "crime" is the color of their skin. The UN will wait until so many people are dead that one will cry when they think about it or read about it. The same as Kosovo and Bosnia (Sarajevo). Many of our allies in NATO, when offering troops for this kind of effort, quite often drag their feet until the death toll is so large as to cause horror amongst most of the world. They also handicap the NATO troops with "no fire" orders and such asinine restrictions as to make them ineffectual.
It is grossly unfair of any American to expect President Bush to take unilateral action. Look how he has been pilloried by the Democrats about Iraq.
Please let me know how YOU feel about it!
I absoloutly agree, a f
June 14, 2007 - 00:18 ET by shawn228I absoloutly agree, a full UN team is the answer, just like Iraq should have been.
night all --geezer is way past his bedtime
June 14, 2007 - 00:24 ET by misterbillnight all --geezer is way past his bedtime 1:23 here.
Good night Misterbill 1
June 14, 2007 - 01:16 ET by shawn228Good night Misterbill 11:15 here signing off
ShawnWe did not find any WM
June 13, 2007 - 23:05 ET by Free StinkerShawn
We did not find any WMD when we invaded Iraq
Actually . . .
even President Bush has admitted this.
It isn't as if nothing was found.
I have always wondered why Bush gives up so easy when arguing with the MSM & the Democrats.
Bush gives up so easy ???
June 13, 2007 - 23:08 ET by misterbill"I have always wondered why Bush gives up so easy when arguing with the MSM & the Democrats."
So they will vote for the Immigration Reform bill?????
misterbill
June 13, 2007 - 23:30 ET by shawn228So they will vote for the Immigration Reform bill?????
Lol, that was good!!
shawn228-- something to muse
June 13, 2007 - 23:33 ET by misterbillshawn228-- something to muse over for a while--offthread but good thing to think about.
"Each state retains its sovereignty; freedom and independence, and every power, jurisdiction and right, which is not by this confederation expressly delegated to the United States, in Congress assembled."
Sounds kind of straightforward to me---
PS I hope Leon reads it----
June 13, 2007 - 23:34 ET by misterbillPS I hope Leon reads it----
PS I hope Leon reads it----
June 13, 2007 - 23:34 ET by misterbillPS I hope the congress reads it too. I think they have forgotten it.
I admit, I did not click on
June 14, 2007 - 09:31 ET by shawn228I admit, I did not click on every single one of those links Free:)
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNa
June 13, 2007 - 22:51 ET by amberhttp://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=/Nation/archive/200606/NAT20060621e.html
Is that enough for you? or are you one of those people who will say, "that is not enough to constitute WMD" or "that stuff is so old you can hardly call it WMD"? See, everytime someone syas they found WMD, the media works feverishly to discredit it, just like this article, they had to sa, "sanatorum says" like he is some 5 year old who said that their teacher does not wear panties. Come on, there has been numerous reports of finding weapons with seren gas, tons of weapons grade uranium, scientists saying they hid viles of it in swimming pools, but the media keeps saying it was old or not enough quantity. so, in the future, be more specific with your request about WMD, tell people exactly how much must be found and what age it must be in order for you to classify it as WMD.
"Please tell me why Ge
June 13, 2007 - 22:56 ET by Mean Gene Dr. Love"Please tell me why George Bush or any Republicans that voted for the war for that matter have remained silent about finding WMD"
They haven't been silent.
I don't know why Bush doesn't do more explaining, maybe he feels he doesn't need to and that over time the story will unfold and validate him then.
Please show me where Bush "admit[ted] to not finding WMD."
I think the biggest problem with this war is the same problem we had with Vietnam: we're letting the politicians wage the war instead of the generals on the ground. We won't ever have much of a chance winning a "politically correct" war. The politicians (on both sides of the aisle) are the ones making this war drag on. We need to take the kid gloves off, put on the brass knuckles, and give the terrorists their one-way ticket to Allah.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." --Thomas Jefferson
And after a bit more thinki
June 13, 2007 - 23:09 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveAnd after a bit more thinking, another reason I can think of for Bush not "explaining" is doing so can imply that he didn't initially believe in his decision. It is a sign of bad leadership. Good leaders stand by their decisions and their decisions don't need explanation after the fact.
And remember, WMD was only one part of the case for us to go to war with Saddam. So even if we never did find any WMD, that doesn't mean the war would be a failure or a bad choice. I think 25 million people that are now free and better able to build a brighter future for themselves is worth the sacrifices we've made. Don't forget that when Iraq stabilizes, the rest of the Middle East can much more easily follow suit--without the same level of violence. That is why al-Qaida and Iran and others are working so hard to keep Iraq unstable, because they know their stranglehold on their peoples will be loosed.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." --Thomas Jefferson
meangene--is it ok--
June 13, 2007 - 23:14 ET by misterbillmeangene--is it ok--if I say that another reason I was glad we invaded was because Saddam pissed me off.!
He kept messing with the inspection team's ability to go to certain areas allowing the Iraqis time to move anything to another already checked area. He defied the UN on a regular basis and that team leader Bix--kix- whatever left me with the impression that there was no way he wanted to find any WMDs.
Mene Gene L