The great William F. Buckley, Jr. once famously said that he
"would rather be governed by the first 200 names in the
Beware government programs with slogans, particularly ones of the breathtaking
hubris inherent in "saving money and the planet" that Cambridge has slapped on this project. Yes, forget about
our brave warriors confronting terrorism worldwide. The true heroes are those
professors of feminist studies and purveyors of Marxism who screw in fluorescent
light bulbs.
The essence of the program is the creation of a revolving $70 million fund to pay for insulation and more efficient light bulbs and air conditioners. The Globe assures us that "the program will need no local or state tax money." So where will the money come from? "From conservation fees on utility bills and from a statewide utility rate increase." I see. It's not a tax. It's a "fee." And local residents will surely feel much better knowing that the additional dollars they're being forced to spend aren't for taxes; they're for higher statewide utility rates. And of course, driving up utility rates should help drive more businesses, jobs and people out of the Commonwealth, which should in turn lead to less despoiling of the environment. Talk about your win-win!
And what will be the global impact of the program? Will it stave off by one milisecond Al Gore's doomsday drowning of Wall Street? Please. Even if people accept that man is responsible for global warming, so long as
All of which is not to say that the program is worthless. Far from it. It will surely give those Prius-driving Harvard profs one more reason to feel morally superior to their colleagues at institutions in other, less-enlightened burgs.
Mark has an LL.M. from Harvard. Contact him at mark@gunhill.net
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April 8, 2007 - 07:40 ET by the mad poleWouldn't it be more efficient to ignore Cambridge? Remind the Globe $70 million could buy a lot of rolling papers
light bulbs
April 8, 2007 - 07:52 ET by DontabYeah and the road to hell is paved with good intentions.Shut up and start teaching what your paid for.
Gorbal warming is a sickness not a science.
Of course they have to tout
April 8, 2007 - 08:01 ET by motherbeltOf course they have to tout the program as one that will save money, otherwise people wouldn't buy into it. They never tell you that it is just a shell game with the money you would have spent on regular energy usage going to just another tax or fee. So there's no net gain.
Another money quote is:
"If the same electricity savings could be achieved statewide in the next
five years, it would eliminate the need for two new major power plants."
So they won't build new power plants. And if the savings are NOT achieved statewide, then what? By not building the power plants, Massachusetts will be in worse shape, and they will be calling for more extreme measures...(maybe they'll advocate turning off the electricty for so many hours a day like they did in Europe during WW II) They could tout that as saving money too!
The true Heroes are those pro
April 8, 2007 - 08:28 ET by dmntd1I always knew there was something screwy about them, but how do they get inside the flourescent lightbulbs in order to screw?
Please make sure your train of thought carries freight.
I was hoping for a, "How many
April 9, 2007 - 12:43 ET by taznarI was hoping for a, "How many Harvard professors does it take to screw in a CFL?" joke in there somewhere. Maybe, "More than they have, which is why they're asking for taxpayer support."
Somebody should be able to do better than that.
Here in CA, a few weeks ago
April 8, 2007 - 08:36 ET by John in CAHere in CA, a few weeks ago, some lawmaker had a bill to require all bulbs to be CFL's by 2011. Haven't heard anything about in a couple of weeks. Maybe it died under the weight of the ridicule.
Give a Democrat Party free America a chance!
bulbs
April 8, 2007 - 09:47 ET by Emma GrumpJohn - I remember hearing something about those squiggly bulbs, that they cannot simply be disposed of in the trash, and must be taken to a recycling center, much the same as air conditioners, lead paints, etc. I don't know if this true or not.
Just bring the bulbs inside, like we used to do with our
April 8, 2007 - 09:56 ET by RJEmma, some Warmist apologists claim that the amount is small enough that they won't have to be recycled. But if everyone is required to use them, the sheer volume would seem to contradict that.
Another problem with the bulbs is they can't be used in cold weather applications because they have problems starting and burn themselves out as they keep trying. I look forward to some helpful Warmist saying, "hey, all you have to do is keep them inside until you need them, like we used to do with the toilet seats in our outhouses." ;^>
"Did we think Kyoto would [reduce global warming] when we signed it? . . . Hell no!" -Al Gore
That's true...we have a cou
April 8, 2007 - 10:03 ET by motherbeltThat's true...we have a couple of fluorescent fixtures in our garage,
and in Pennsylvania it gets cold enough that sometimes they have a hard
time turning on in the winter.
The amount of mercury or whatever it is in batteries is very small too, but because of the huge number of them, they are not supposed to go into landfills. It would probably be the same with the bulbs.
Emma, all flourescents have
April 8, 2007 - 10:31 ET byEmma, all flourescents have mercury in them and yes the volumn would require recycling. Also as Rush noted they are all produced in China and mandating their use would mean increased production in a country that relies on coal-fired generating plants (not eco-friendly) which would mean more plants and increase pollution. As for me i'd take the US plants which have guidelines for pollution standards. Better yet build smaller scale nuclear generation. (can't believe i agree with France)
Also i have some of the squiggly bulbs and kind of like them though not everywhere due to strobe effect and their intolerance to cold
Also i have some of the squig
April 9, 2007 - 12:55 ET by taznarAs you say they're not for everywhere, but I've replaced a lot of our lights with CFL's for one simple reason -i hate changing light bulbs. Especially when it seemed like there was always one out somewhere in our house every time I turned around.
Incredibly, during about 30
April 8, 2007 - 10:51 ET by John in CAIncredibly, during about 30 minutes of research, I found very little compelling information on CFL's. Yes, they save energy. Yes, they last a long time. Knew that.
CFL's contain about 1/3 the mercury of a conventional fluorescent tube. Nevertheless, they require special disposal handling. During my research I looked for disposal sites for my town - nada. There's probably one out there, but it's not listed in any of the sources I found. According to Kern County the closest County disposal site is in Mojave - about 50 miles from me. Next time I'm at the local landfill I'll have to ask them if they take CFL's/tubes. Since it became mandatory in Jan 2006 (who knew!?) maybe the landfill takes them now.
If you need a CFL for a dimmer switch, apparently it takes a special type of CFL.
Give a Democrat Party free America a chance!
Yes they have mercury in them
April 8, 2007 - 15:21 ET by SportPoliticsYes they have mercury in them. They are a biohazard. Deadly.
The libs also, I wish someone else here would remember, complained like crazy about "flourescent lighting" - that it causes headaches, alters one perception, can induce siezures,and all sorts of crap.
Now,the same idiots are promoting the lighting that only shortly ago they decried as life threatening. So, the same bulb that killed you, now saves the world.
yes all that other stuff is t
April 8, 2007 - 15:33 ET byyes all that other stuff is the strobe effect which can be minimized by having an incandescent lamp on in the room.
Harvard
April 8, 2007 - 10:01 ET by pbthinkerIf the price of fuel oil hasn't caused people to insulate their homes, I doubt a few dollars from a fund will do much. These are the same people that believe driving up the cost of gasoline will stop people from driving their cars.
The future, in lighting, doesn't appear to be the Compact Fluorescent but in LED lights. I was amazed at how bright some of these lights are becoming and the advances made. They truly do use less electricity and have a much smaller impact on the environment. There's a reason people are pushing CFL's and it's not the energy savings, in my opinion.
As far as air conditioners go, I haven't lived in New England for many years but, when I did, air conditioned homes were the exception, rather than the rule. Many homes today are being built with central air conditioning, but the units being put in are energy efficient.
Talk about much ado about nothing!
Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
I've used a few LED's in divi
April 8, 2007 - 10:14 ET by danboI've used a few LED's in diving and camping. I have to admit the light for the power is amazing. But I also find the light harsh. And hard on the eyes. Until that's fixed. I doubt that I'd switch to them at home. Let Al Gore do it. He uses a lot more carbon than I do.
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.” H.L. Mencken
Great minds think alike.
April 8, 2007 - 10:29 ET by sarcasmo"There's a reason people are pushing CFL's and it's not the energy savings, in my opinion."
Wow. Great minds...I had not seen your comment when I posted mine. If BOTH of us see this as probable political manipulation, maybe it's worthwhile for some journalist to actually go out there and do the job of finding a story we BOTH obviously suspect is there. And Danbo, LEDs are getting better all the time (I kinda like the bluish light my flashlight gives off better than old incand-bulb flashlights, anyway!!). They can even make LEDs lase, so it's not going to be a problem for a free marketplace to supply Danbo favored and sarcasmo favored LEDs, if the control freaks in politics and the media simply get out of the way. But c'mon journalists! One of you MUST be a budding Stossel. Go follow the money on this one, so pbthinker & I get to say "I told you so," dammit!!
LED's
April 8, 2007 - 13:23 ET by pbthinkerI'm sure that LED's need some work but they're already a lot better than they were 5 years ago. If politicians start mandating a shift to CFL's, before the LED is fully developed, I would smell a payoff somewhere.
Since most of the people pushing for these changes are Democrats (the non-free market politicians) you can bet the press won't be investigating. Another thing is that right now, I believe, Phillips is the leader in CFL's but GE is building a production facility. Once the investment is made, you can bet the lobbying moves to the front of the line and will get more intense.
CFL's have been around for a long time and haven't caught on yet, so the market place isn't demanding them, that's why the politicians are stepping in and making it law.
Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
I think 12v (esp. solar) +
April 8, 2007 - 10:14 ET by sarcasmoI think 12v (esp. solar) + LEDs will be the lighting of the future, especially if control freak politicians stay out of the picture. Chances are, the manufacturing costs of a few dozen LEDs are dwarfed by the costs of developing & making a bulb which requires molten glass to perform that kind of spiral-trick. I further suspect that someone who paid those development costs understands this obvious fact & therefore greatly fears new competiton like LEDs. I suspect the "solution" was to covertly buy a few politicians/environutcases and introduce control freakery into the process so that their uncompetitive product can still "compete." Do I have any proof of all this? No. It's the news media's job to "follow the money" on this stuff, not mine, and the news media don't do that job too-well. It's my job to be suspicious, and then (when the facts -- too late for taxpayers -- once-again prove that I'm right) to say, "I told you so!" thereby causing control-freak fans and other NB-idiots to fume & flame pointlessly.
JMR
Don't count on msm to do th
April 8, 2007 - 10:58 ET by John in CADon't count on msm to do the investigation. If it is something that will save the planet, then the only thing you can count on them doing is touting it.
When I heard the news that the CA legislature was pushing mandatory CFL's, my first thought was who is behind it. I suspect GE and Sylvania, since it's likely they've done the most investing in the product and due to the high initial price point they haven't exactly flown off the shelves.
I am surprised though that the libertarians haven't gotten to the bottom of this mystery. Surely, they have a position on it and can tell us how we are all screwing up - even on something as seemingly minor as CFL's. So c'mon, LP'ers, save us from ourselves, before it's too late.
--Just another NB idiot-- (Because we all can't be as self-righteously correct and smart as someone thinks he is. After all, if we were, someone might not be able to justify their sense of self-importance.)
Give a Democrat Party free America a chance!
remember MBTE? I think that
April 8, 2007 - 11:01 ET byremember MBTE? I think that's the gas additive that was mandated until they figured ou it was causing more pollution. Ready Fire Aim
huge fights ahead
April 8, 2007 - 19:11 ET by bigtimerbot...
Your post reminds me of this article I was reading about...talk about huge fights coming up....oh the insanity of it all!http://www.boston.com/news/local/vermont/articles/2007/04/08/in_vermont_court_challenge_for_state_regulation_of_emissions/
No matter how anyone looks at it all...we will pay for it in the shorts one way or the other...of course thats the plan stan.
thanks
April 8, 2007 - 19:15 ET bythanks
Hey, the LP isn't exactly r
April 8, 2007 - 11:05 ET by sarcasmoHey, the LP isn't exactly rolling in dough, and it's not their (or my) job to do the news media's job. I just know enough about manufacturing to know that LEDs cost less, plus they sure look easier to make than complex spiral curlieques of molten glass, and knowing that makes me suspicious. If you want the LP to "save" you, give 'em some of your money or time. Or just work for a bigtime libertarian change within the Republican party, like I am, to the deafening silence of those who claimed they wanted me to before Dr. Paul started running.
JMR
Mmmm, the LP isn't exactly
April 8, 2007 - 11:20 ET by John in CAMmmm, the LP isn't exactly rolling in dough? Under market principles, shouldn't the money flow to the best solution? Then it seems to me that there is some critical production or marketing flaw in the LP. Everyone who voluntarily contributes to a political cause is free to donate to whomever or whatever they choose. So, why wouldn't the LP be awash in funds? All candidates and parties labor under the same campaign finance laws, however flawed they are.
Give a Democrat Party free America a chance!
Only in a free marketplace,
April 8, 2007 - 11:24 ET by sarcasmoOnly in a free marketplace, which is the opposite of what we have politically or in the media, and you know it. And third party ballot laws are so blatantly-unfair (you've seen it take a billionaire in your own lifetime to ineffectively run for the Presidency, for example) that your second point isn't even worth comment, go educate yourself.
JMR
"...go educate yoursel
April 8, 2007 - 11:32 ET by John in CA"...go educate yourself."
Does that mean I'm just another NB idiot?
Give a Democrat Party free America a chance!
If you think third party ba
April 8, 2007 - 11:35 ET by sarcasmoIf you think third party ballot laws are in any way fair? Yep. You're the one who walked into defining himself here, not me. And I see idiots of all sorts are out at the moment, so I'm going away for a while. Laughing at all of you.
JMR
Gee, I wonder why Florida voters rejected sarky?
April 8, 2007 - 12:10 ET by RJGee, with sarky's pleasant personality it makes you wonder why Florida voters rejected him when he ran for office.... ;^>
...and of course he can't tal
April 8, 2007 - 12:27 ET by Unsane...and of course he can't talk about what the Libertarians are doing wrong in not getting their message out, or seeing what repels Americans from voting for them (and so forth). Nope! It is MUCH easier to whine about how the deck is stacked against you.
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
Gee, with RJ's incredible i
April 8, 2007 - 14:11 ET by sarcasmoGee, with RJ's incredible intelligence, it makes you wonder why he voted for Clinton. Or not... ;^>
JMR
Sure did, sarky
April 8, 2007 - 14:22 ET by RJSure did, sarky...the first time. Not embarrassed to admit it, either. I was a life-long liberal who became moderate, then somewhat conservative as the liberals kept moving left while I moved right. I was able to change, grow, and adapt.
Unfortunately, your personality is unlikely to have that same ability. ;^>
didja know...
April 8, 2007 - 11:46 ET by dmntd13M is allegedly developing an LED-based HDTV monitor. A couple of years in the future, but it's on the horizon already.... I can't wait, that should be one BRIGHT screen!!!
Please make sure your train of thought carries freight.
slogans
April 8, 2007 - 12:06 ET by iveseenitall"Saving money and the planet". The Masters of Deceit love slogans. The lousy liberals particularly love alliteration. "Education" is full of meaningless phrases. And liberal "educators" are full of s#@t! Dimwitted Democrats!
NEVER,NEVER trust a liberal
Isn't it also the case that L
April 8, 2007 - 14:23 ET by entIsn't it also the case that LEDs last a really long time? Do they ever burn out?
My OKI color "laser" printer at home is actually an LED printer. No laser at all, just a series of LEDs, fwiw.
LEDs can actually lase thes
April 8, 2007 - 14:28 ET by sarcasmoLEDs can actually lase these days, so your printer might be both; but no, I've never seen one burn out -- something else always dies first.
JMR
I agree LED's will probably b
April 8, 2007 - 15:49 ET by danboI agree LED's will probably be the wave of the future. I have a LED I use in camping. Four "C" batteries. For a table lantern. And the camp site is bright. Almost overly bright. And the batteries last forever.
Only problem. The bulb needs to be shelded to help your eyes adjust. And the glare they cause, quickly tires my eyes while reading. If my memory is correct, LEDs are all or nothing. if one could adjust their output. (Dimmer) That would help a lot.
Though the bulbs are pretty hardy. I have burned out a few. (Dive lights.)
For some uses. LEDs are great. And with time may be the best thing available. But it should be developed by market forces. not by fiat, based on a non existant problem designed to control people and make some very rich. Remember IPCC is a child of the UN. The same wonderful people who brought us food for oil.
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.” H.L. Mencken
LED's
April 8, 2007 - 17:53 ET by pbthinkerI'll be the first to admit I'm not up-to-date on LED's but I have seen the advances in outdoor lighting and they are truly amazing. As far as the glare, dimmers, and the like, it seems to me it's just an R&D thing that can be worked out, if there is a need.
The point we all agree on is that they're bright, cheap to run, and cheap to make. All of those things seem to be in favor of their developement. Hey, if no one else wants to do it, let's just get together and do it ourselves.. HAHAHA.
Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
One way to "dim"
April 8, 2007 - 18:01 ET by sarcasmoOne way to "dim" LEDs is to use microswitches to turn them on & off very-fast, although this creates a slightly annoying strobe effect once you go too-far. The nice thing about LEDs is that they don't give off much heat. Technology rocks. My next home is likely to have 12v LEDs as the main source of lighting.
JMR
There is always the low tech
April 9, 2007 - 11:43 ET by dscottThere is always the low tech approach, put an opaque diffuser (lens cover) on it. You know the difference between a frosted bulb and a clear bulb?
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius
It's being done. And moving.
April 8, 2007 - 19:21 ET by danboIt's being done. And moving. It's really taking off in outdoors situations. Where one needs lots of light. Small sources long periods of use without the batteries running out, low weight.
Though I haven't followed it as much. Along with fiber optics it definately has a place in homes. And is beginning to make in roads there. As I've said. Though there are things about it I don't like leds. I believe that will eventually be worked out. It shows far more promise than the options.
I want a led pen light flashlight to put in my back pack. And they're now coming down on price to the $20 range sometimes.
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.” H.L. Mencken
Greetings, danbo.Interesting
April 8, 2007 - 19:26 ET by BlondeGreetings, danbo.
Interesting conversation about lighting here today.
What about Halogens?
I put them in my hutch....they're hot...but the light on the crystal is beautiful. Expensive little suckers, though, about $5 apiece.
The heat is all energy you'
April 8, 2007 - 19:37 ET by sarcasmoThe heat is all energy you're paying FPL to aircondition away, and none of it makes for light in Blonde's place, so I predict market forces will eventually lead folks like you in the direction of alternatives like LEDs. Somehow, this will happen without hyperpolitical busybodies telling you exactly when/how to switch, or what to switch-to if/when you do.
JMR
Well, Sarc,I like my A.C.I li
April 8, 2007 - 19:41 ET by BlondeWell, Sarc,
I like my A.C.
I like my hutch and my crystal lit up.
I like my carbon footprint.
The question was about halogens. And when I get around to re-doing my kitchen, after I put in the pool...I'm sure I'll have to consider the lighting issue.
I think any lighting expens
April 8, 2007 - 19:50 ET by sarcasmoI think any lighting expense is probably de-minimis compared to other power uses. The main reason I like LEDs is the same reason I like halogens -- I think light is pretty. But I tend to use the halogen in the cooler weather only! I think I'd like my carbon footprint better if FPL had actual competition.
JMR
I love the light the halogens
April 8, 2007 - 19:56 ET by BlondeI love the light the halogens provide.
As for your FPL statement....agreed.
But how to compete....with solar panels? I think not....Gone With The Wind.
I suspect in 5 years the LE
April 8, 2007 - 20:17 ET by sarcasmoI suspect in 5 years the LED people will be able to sell you any wavelength-combination your heart could possibly desire.
My FPL bill this month was $23.47, so they probably won't mind losing the likes of me when it finally happens. :)
I suspect their eventual competition (which they'll lobby-against, massively) will be in the form of containerized modular "pebble bed" nuke reactors purchased from the capitalist/communist Chinese. An economically viable solar shingle might also eventually perform an AC-excluded assist, and who knows what else technology will bring (or has brought, and is now being delayed to "protect" us!)?
JMR
Intersting info, Sarc.
April 8, 2007 - 20:27 ET by BlondeIntersting info, Sarc.
My exposure is with outdoor g
April 8, 2007 - 19:50 ET by danboMy exposure is with outdoor gear. Sarc's apparently with home usage.. Aren't halogens the same as HID? If so your talking a price multiple of 8-10X that of LEDs. And the heat. In dive lights. If you turn them on on the surface you could burn out the bulb. In a home. All that heat needs to be dispursed. Added air. And I can hear the cries of "Global Warming" LEDS are cool.
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.” H.L. Mencken
D the HID is high intensity d
April 8, 2007 - 20:40 ET byD
the HID is high intensity discharge of which halogen is a sub-group two other subs are mercury-vapor and metal halide (like the ceilings of home depot)
Thanks for clarifying it botg
April 8, 2007 - 21:38 ET by danboThanks for clarifying it botg.
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.” H.L. Mencken
As an aside, danbo
April 8, 2007 - 19:34 ET by RJAs an aside, danbo, I camp a lot, too. About 10 years ago I stopped using my flashlight except when doing something that requires that I see my hands and/or whatever equipment I'm using. The rest of the time, my flash stays in my pocket. It's amazing how much more you see at night when you don't have the Tunnel Vision a flashlight causes. Even walking at night rarely requires a light.
and i thought i was the only
April 8, 2007 - 19:38 ET byand i thought i was the only one, the stars are much more visible too, with the LEDs i will miss pumping the old white gas bag lantern. may keep it though it keeps the tent warm in winter
Have you ever encountered any
April 8, 2007 - 19:41 ET by RJYou, too? That's great. Have you ever encountered anyone else like us, botg? I haven't.
Throw me and my half in the m
April 8, 2007 - 20:07 ET by bigtimerThrow me and my half in the mix....there are others out here!
Of course now we live in the woods...
LOL!
See that BT? In all my camping
April 8, 2007 - 20:13 ET by RJSee that? In all my camping, I've never encountered a single other individual who deliberately turns off their flashlight at night. Maybe there's a bunch of us. We need a name for this movement.
RJ,Camping up in No Florida l
April 8, 2007 - 20:23 ET by BlondeRJ,
Camping up in No Florida last weekend, I was totally disappointed (well, not really....it was beautiful anyway) at the full moon.
I love it in the Bahamas....the stars are right there where you can reach out and grab them.
I love it dark on the ground (or the water). I never have very far to go, so I can afford to keep the lights off.
Nothing like it to see the stars the way they really are!
now its a movement? how bou
April 8, 2007 - 20:35 ET bynow its a movement? how bout the "alices restaurant massercree...." wait thats been taken. yeah normally i need to ask persons to turn off the light so i can see.
The Great Thanksgiving Day Massacree
April 8, 2007 - 20:46 ET by RJThat's The Great Thanksgiving Day Massacree, botg. We still play it every November. But good thought! This section from the ending fits:
"You know, if one person, just one person does it they may think he's really sick and they won't take him. And if two people, two people do it, in harmony,
they may think they're both faggots and they won't take either of them.
And three people do it, three, can you imagine, three people walking in
singin a bar of Alice's Restaurant and walking out. They may think it's an
organization. And can you, can you imagine fifty people a day,I said
fifty people a day walking in singin a bar of Alice's Restaurant and
walking out. And friends they may think it's a movement."
All our movement needs is a name! ;^>
Dating yourself there, RJ.Arl
April 8, 2007 - 20:51 ET by BlondeDating yourself there, RJ.
Arlo. Sheesh, laughing over that.
How about "lights out"?
Works on a couple of different levels, actually. :)
It's a cultural thing, Blonde
April 8, 2007 - 20:56 ET by RJWell, you could be right, Blonde, but you'd be surprised at how many kids today (and their dads) know the song. It's become one of those "passed down" cultural things.
True, RJ.One of my friend's 1
April 8, 2007 - 21:03 ET by BlondeTrue, RJ.
One of my friend's 10 year old son, and all of his buds, are into the old "southern rock".
They keep stealing my CD's, the little brats!
It's kinda cute though....to hear them yell "turn it up" (Skynyrd).
thanks for the correction RJ
April 8, 2007 - 20:58 ET bythanks for the correction RJ and with that i must away for i have much to do and gotta go home when the streetlights come on.
B lights out sounds fine
RJ I disagree. Lots of us lik
April 8, 2007 - 20:58 ET by danboRJ I disagree. Lots of us like camping with as few lights as we can. I do.
When you need light. Coleman lanters are such a pain to turn on and off; too often once it's on we leave it on. The LED gives as much light as the coleman. But with a flick of the switch. One of it's nice parts.
Funny story. Years ago I was camping at Cades Cove in the Smokies. (Before they introduced the anti bear trash cans.) I was bringing the trash to the nearest trash can. Beautiful night. Had my flash light. But off. Tossed the trash in the can, and heard the scurry. There was a skunk in the trash can. I don't know who was more scared. Me or the skunk.
But then. There were those nights around the camp fire. Sitting in a lawn chair watching the fire and the stars. With a skunk sitting under your chair. Enjoying the fires warmth with you.
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.” H.L. Mencken
Funny story, danbo.
April 8, 2007 - 21:15 ET by RJFunny story, danbo. Campfire stories are one of the great things about camping. We could probably swap a lot of them. As for lights, we use them at the campsite, too, but I was talking about no-light hiking and other activites.
I agree. Unfortunately, a lot
April 8, 2007 - 21:30 ET by danboI agree. Unfortunately, a lot of people don't hike at night. Period.
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.” H.L. Mencken
That's part of what I don't l
April 8, 2007 - 19:57 ET by danboThat's part of what I don't like about my LED. So much light, you don't adjust to natural light. And it's harder to appreciate the stars.
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.” H.L. Mencken
That's easy to fix, danbo.
April 8, 2007 - 20:09 ET by RJThat's easy to fix, danbo. Turn it off! ;^>
After dinner's fixed. I do. I
April 8, 2007 - 20:43 ET by danboAfter dinner's fixed. I do. If I want to read. I turn on a 12 volt incandensent. Doesn't mess with my night vision as much. Otherwise the light of a camp fire. Maybe a glow stick. (To help find my way back if I go for a walk.) And the light of the stars.
That's part of why I go camping.
But when you need light. To find that pack of whatever...
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.” H.L. Mencken
LEDs
April 8, 2007 - 23:25 ET by pocomocodanbo,
You are correct sir. An LEDs intensity is dependent on the size of the silicon circuit creating it. You may also have read that many cities are converting their bulb traffic lights to LEDs for that reason, as well as them being long-lived.
As for controlling their intensity, it can be done as it is done now in most TV sets, by having a circuit that measures the ambient light in a room which, then, automatically adjusts its picture.
Another breakthrough was made a few years back when scientists found out how the lase the color(?) white. Today, you can find them used in flashlights.
I have thrown all my light bulbs away.
April 9, 2007 - 00:00 ET by misterbillI have thrown all my light bulbs away. I now sit and curse the darkness because I forgot to buy batteries and candles. I stumbled into the fireplace and left carbon footprints all over the house. I have done enough. Tomorrow - it's Home Depot and buying some bulbs.
misterb!What!...no Walmart in
April 9, 2007 - 00:09 ET by bigtimermisterb!
What!
...no Walmart instead of Home Depot!
LOL!
the Dems in NC are debating
April 9, 2007 - 00:36 ET by JPninerthe Dems in NC are debating outlawing traditional light bulbs and mandating these curly bulbs by law. These idiots are debatng about creating a black market for Light Bulbs of all things.