Eric Alterman: 'Most MSM Pundits are Lazy, Ill Informed'

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Eric Alterman recently got his dander up over at the Nation about many of the MSMs political pundits today, calling them "lazy" and blasting them for their near universal refusal to address Blogger's critiques of their work. Obviously he isn't happy over the treatment he received at the hands of Time Magazine's Joe Klein who dealt him a series of "schoolyard insults", as Alterman phrased it, after he criticized some of Klein's work. But, this personal vendetta aside, Alterman is on to something.

Alterman is filled with disgust at many Pundit's arrogance as they ignore the ankle biting leveled at them by Internet opinionists and Bloggers. And I cannot say that I disagree with him over his contention that the MSM is trying so hard to ignore rising Internet pundits and the influence they are garnering that they have damaged their own credibility in the process by overlooking substantive critical analysis offered at lightening speed by Internet writers.

The advent of the Internet--particularly the blogosphere--has changed all that. Now, not only are the things pundits say and write preserved for posterity; there are legions of folks who track pundit pronouncements, fact-check their statements and compare them with previous utterances on the same and similar topics. They also demand a degree of transparency about methods of inquiry and the reasoning behind conclusions drawn. While proving pundits wrong--over and over and over--has not yet cost anyone a job, it has contributed to a precipitous decline in pundit prestige. The reaction to this decline varies from pundit to pundit, to be sure, but more often than not, it bespeaks a kind of panic.

Alterman offers several examples from George Will to Tim Russert of this refusal to engage bloggers by MSM pundits. Though I am not sure his particular examples are completely satisfactory, he is certainly right over the end result. The MSM is whistling past the graveyard by pretending Bloggers and their criticisms are irrelevant... or, worse, that they don't even exist.

The MSM, with its falling readership and customer base, does itself no good at all by further marginalizing themselves and offering pundits whose arrogance places themselves above the very scrutiny they level against Washington with the columns they write. Many of these pundits risk finding their product without a market by refusing to apply their own standards to themselves making them little else but hypocrites and elitists in the eyes of informed readers. Consider the MSM as owners of failing shops filled with buggy whips while Henry Ford is cranking off the assembly line thousands of Model T's a year. And, naturally, the MSM is blaming the Model T instead of their own refusal to move into the future.

Alterman ends his piece with an observation that errs only a bit.

To put it bluntly, most MSM pundits are lazy, ill informed and in thrall to the specious arguments of the powerful people they are supposed to critique. The punditocracy may not like the blogosphere's diagnosis, but there is really only one way to get it off its collective back: Work harder, do a better job. It's really that simple.

I don't think these pundits are "in thrall" to the powerful people they are "supposed to critique" as much as they are in thrall to their own purportedly unassailable position as "professional" journalists -- an arrogance that Newsbusters points out on a daily basis. Alterman obviously feels the MSM is not harsh enough on Washington, and sees the job of the journalist as the enemy of any Administration (especially that of a Republican one presumably) so he errs in what he sees as the locus of the problem with the MSM's chattering classes. It isn't that they aren't tough enough on the administration, it's that they place themselves above the very rules they try and hold their subjects to.

Many of today's Pundits, for instance, level the charge against Bush that he refuses to "apologize" for his "errors", refuses to "admit when he's wrong". Yet, at the same time, these Pundits refuse to engage the same charge leveled at them when they are proven wrong by Bloggers. And it is happening at an increasing rate.

Well, Eric Alterman has had it with them. And, while I don't agree with the whys of his argument, I certainly join him in his ultimate point. With Bloggers, the MSM is indulging in the old practice of ignoring them and hoping they will go away. But, all the while, Internet Pundits are stealing a march on them as the MSM loses fans that Bloggers are quickly grabbing up.

After the Wright brothers succeeded at man powered flight in 1903, many newspapers refused to believe it, some for up to five years after the fact. Today, the Internet takes flight in minutes. If the MSM doesn't keep up they will be as foolish as those "news" outlets that refused to believe that the future had arrived.

Well, the future is now, MSM, the future is now.


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MSM

Its not just that they are lazy,their vindictive towards anybody who disagrees with their self rightous left wing views.

Let's face it, to most pund

Let's face it, to most pundits, their craft bestows a kind of "celebrity"..they are the well-known ones,  recognized around Washington, New York, etc. They also consider themselves as having "recognition" bestowed on their craft. Which is why they have to belittle bloggers as "a guy writing in his living room in his pajamas." If you haven't gone the correct route: Columbia School of Journalism, etc, you're a hack. It's snobbery, pure and simple.

... so imagine what they thin

... so imagine what they think of ME!

Not just pundits feel that

Not just pundits feel that way, though, and it's a problem left and right. CPAC, for example, was blatantly-busted right here on NB (by a guy who appears in my mirror every morning) for putting a foul mouthed right wing pundit on C-Span in preference to letting certain unfavored Republican Presidential candidates speak, presumably for the 'sin' of not-being northeastern RINOs...

JMR

Why would CPAC have libertari

Um, he's running as a Repub

Um, he's running as a Republican. I may think I was right for America when I voted for him as a Libertarian long ago and I'm still right now, but that should have nothing to do with antibias and hearing all voices. I I remain convinced they were scared of what he'd say, and I thought after Lee Atwater's success the Republican Party was supposed to be a "big tent." Guess not...
JMR

I guess I should start quot

I guess I should start quoting the comments I reply-to, but people here need to recall/understand one thing: I've been involved in politics for a lot of decades, so my BS-detector's rather fine-tuned WRT libertarian and Libertarian issues...A true "big tent" party or conservative group with actual conservative principles would not discriminate against the voices of true fiscal conservatives in favor of the foul-mouthed, and that's why sarcasmo newsbusted CPAC, even though I still need to admit it for them. :)
JMR

Now, if Paul is being ignored

Now, if Paul is being ignored by mainstream Republican groups, then you have a point, Sarc. It still is not comparable to an institution such as the MSM that paints themselves as down-the-middle and non-partisan, however.

Does CPAC paint themselves

Does CPAC paint themselves as social but not fiscal conservatives? IF so, you're right. If not, I am, and the bust stands. (Also, if so, why let Rudy talk? At least the flip flop squad and the guy in a Flipper suit were attending for Mitt!)
JMR

Does CPAC paint themselves as

Does CPAC paint themselves as social but not fiscal conservatives?

It's always been both, Sarc, as far as I can remember.

(Also, if so, why let Rudy talk? At least the flip flop squad and the guy in a Flipper suit were attending for Mitt!)

Again, Giuliani and Romney are trying to cloak themselves in conservatism (unlike Paul), so they'll get a chance to speak.

I doubt a Spector or Snowe would ever get a chance to speak in front of them.

 

So I'm right again, and my

So I'm right again, and my bust stands. Specter & Snowe are not relevant because AFAIK they weren't there, didn't want to speak, and aren't running for President.
JMR

So I'm right again, and my bu

So I'm right again, and my bust stands. Specter & Snowe are not relevant because AFAIK they weren't there, didn't want to speak, and aren't running for President.
JMR

That's sophistry, Sarc, since I didn't say that they were running for President, which is irrelevant anyway since Ann Coulter and countless other speakers throughout the years weren't running for the office. You knew what may point was, but are trying to avoid it.

Does the Conservative Political Action Committee have a 100% obligation to have a liberal Republican speaker at their gatherings, yes or no?

BTW, I could understand the snark against my posts if I had drawn first blood against you, but since I didn't, I don't understand it.

Sarc, going over the lists of

Sarc, going over the lists of past speakers, you might have a point about Paul. Though the vast majority of speakers have been of the Reagan conservative mold, there have been some libertarian, moderate and even a few liberal speakers. If Sam Donaldson can speak in front of CPAC, a fiscal conservative with a lifetime ACU rating of 82 like Ron Paul certainly can.

No, my opinion change has nothing to do with your "BS detector" or any other delusions of grandeur on your part, only research on my part. But the point is that I was wrong, you were right and I'm big enough to admit it.

Sarc, I must have had that po

Sarc, I must have had that post up for a half a minute before I realized you were going to go the "Ron Paul is a Republican" road (which is half true :-P) before I deleted it, but you still found it. Do you ever leave this site? :-)

Seriously, CPAC can have speak in front of them whomever they want, especially when they are painting themselves as conservative (whether the paint can stay on for Giuiliani, McCain and Romney is another matter ;-). Paul doesn't hide that he is a libertarian, which is not what CPAC members strive for in a candidate. It's not remotely the same as the drive-by media ignoring bloggers.

Again, I do agree Paul should have a larger voice in the process and has many good things to say.

Yep, you sensed the BS-dete

Yep, you sensed the BS-detector was gonna redline, and you were absolutely-right, but "half true"?? What half is false -- the one that advocates ACTUALLY smaller government instead of just more hot wind at election-time followed by even more unsustainable "emergency" spending??! :^)

And just as CPAC gets to have anyone on that they want, sarcasmo gets to bust 'em for antiLibertarian bias when they blatantly ignore the fiscal conservatives in favor of foulmouthed pundits. Not only that, after busting 'em, I get to repeatedly admit it for 'em whenever I want. See why libertarians have always loved the internet??
JMR

Yep, you sensed the BS-detect

Yep, you sensed the BS-detector was gonna redline

Actually, I realized my premise wasn't 100% correct, but if you want to refer my post as "BS" (especially when I deleted it before you posted anything)  I guess I can't stop you.

but "half true"?? What half is false -- the one that advocates ACTUALLY smaller government instead of just more hot wind at election-time followed by even more unsustainable "emergency" spending??! :^)

I think of Paul as a libertarian (which I lean toward, BTW) who felt he had to join the Republicans if he had any real chance of having a voice in politics. I bet Paul thinks the same thing, too.

As for the Republicans, I have no doubt that Libertarians would have the same problem restraining themselves from spending our money, because they are politicians. Oh, they might do a better job of constraining spending than the other two parties, but I'm confident there were be a lot of hot wind at election-time followed by even more unsustainable "emergency" spending from them, too. ;-)

And just as CPAC gets to have anyone on that they want, sarcasmo gets to bust 'em for antiLibertarian bias when they blatantly ignore the fiscal conservatives in favor of foulmouthed pundits.

Look, I'm not a big Coulter fan, but she does fit the CPAC mode, while Paul doesn't. It's as simple as that.

1. I call 'em like I see 'e

1. I call 'em like I see 'em. That one was called BS for a reason.

2. Agreed about Dr. Paul, but note again the fear of his particular voice.

3. Let's experiment with the Libertarians, so far the ones who have attained office have shown admirable fiscal responsibility, which is a 5#!Tload more than I can say for the Ted Haggard branch of the Republican party currently in power.

4. CPAC's antiLibertarian bias is busted, that's their only "mode." They feared letting Ron Paul speak. Happily, the Reagan Library has more courage, so despite big media's push for the big government RINOs, America will get to hear him.
JMR

1. I call 'em like I see 'em.

1. I call 'em like I see 'em. That one was called BS for a reason.

You're being a jackass now, which I don't like saying since I agree with many of your posts. You have never rethought a post before? Talk about BS.

3. Let's experiment with the Libertarians, so far the ones who have attained office have shown admirable fiscal responsibility, which is a 5#!Tload more than I can say for the Ted Haggard branch of the Republican party currently in power.

I'm not a theocratic conservative, so please don't lump me in that category.

As for giving them a try, I could support a Libertarian as long as they are more in the mode of a Neal Boortz (someone not afraid to defend our country). I have to pass on the isolationist crowd.

4. CPAC's antiLibertarian bias is busted, that's their only "mode." They feared letting Ron Paul speak. Happily, the Reagan Library has more courage, so despite big media's push for the big government RINOs, America will get to hear him.
JMR

Again, you're being dense. The acronym CPAC stands for Conservative Political Action Committee. Why should they select speakers who aren't traditionally conservative or at least talking the talk?

Now, if the Republican Party was staging something without inviting Paul, then you would be 100% right and I would fully back your anger.

BTW, please reread your posts. You're egomania has become quite insufferable

Spot on mb.   And all of us

Spot on mb.   And all of us on the internet, whether we are actual bloggers or  just commenting on current events, we should all be very concerned about maintaining the access we now have to the internet. Constant vigilance against any potential limits, or regulation.  For those who want to gain power for power's sake, the internet is their worst enemy. 

It was in Open Thread yeste

It was in Open Thread yesterday, but someone needs to link Stossel's latest column in this one, so I volunteer, since nothing's happening and I've had both coffee and a free toasted bagel, so I'm relatively happy.
JMR

The link you provided to the

The link you provided to the John Stossel article should be given on every site/blog/forum touting the GW propaganda.

Don't settle for a RINO. Let's find and support a TRUE conservative.

Traditional pundits who ignor

Traditional pundits who ignore the emergence of Bloggers are reminiscent of the head-in-the-sand radio personalities who refused to understand the coming dominance of television.  

The fact is that most of the

The fact is that most of the radio people made the transition over to TV. I am not sure if he is right that most MSM are uninformed or if they choose to ignore certain information.

MSM

The MSM doth protest too much.There is very little quality in mainstream "journalism" ( a very broad term) today. They've done it to themselves. This very site points out how low they've sunk. Illogical generalities abound in their reporting, not to mention innaccuracies and , of course, an overwhelmingly liberal bias. They've become predictable, writing and speaking without imagination, honesty, or courage. The difference between them and the bloggers is that the bloggers try harder to do a good job. Most of the MSM are like school teachers with tenure--- no reward for doing a good job, no consequences for not. Tim Russert and Chris Matthews are good examples. They have undeserved good reputations in some quarters, but you know what they are going to say before they even open their mouths.

NEVER,NEVER trust a liberal

The MSM would love to portray

The MSM would love to portray the bloggers as pundit-wannabes, as compared to their own professionalism and experience. They could then dismiss bloggers as lightweights, and promote themselves as media professionals. And it would be disastrous for bloggers to fall into that trap.

I don't want to be a journalist or a pundit. I'm a tax-paying citizen, speaking up in a forum where people gather. No more, no less. Commenting on public affairs, and criticizing the MSM when they slant and distort, is part of civic duty. When I comment, it's because I'm concerned about public affairs as a citizen. It's not because I "aspire" to become a media person. That's just the MSM's self-glorifying arrogance, thinking that we all envy them. We don't.

Alterman has been wrong befor

Alterman has been wrong before, and I find his criticism of Russert curious, as evidenced by this:

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2006/06/11/285/27166

Even a broken clock is righ

Even a broken clock is right at least once a day.

The extreme left-wing neo-nut Alterman is one of the nastiest pieces of work you'll ever have the misfortune to hear pontificating.

Good lord, he finally reaches a conclusion that is one of the main reasons Newsbusters was founded. 3 years and a dollar short.

Alterman is the snide for whom this aphorism was made:

It is not enough that he should succeed. His 'friends' should be seen to fail.

A lib***l is a deluded person who thinks that what he believes is true simply because he wants it to be true.
Therefore reality must be shifted left to fit his odd perceptions.

Wow, I've caught Jack!Twice a

Wow, I've caught Jack!

Twice a day, buddy.  Even a stopped clock is right twice a day!

Laughing.

You've totally made my day.

Alterman is the walking talki

Alterman is the walking talking definition of swine.

Only if he's not kosher. Ho

Only if he's not kosher. How about slime instead of swine

A lib***l is a deluded person who thinks that what he believes is true simply because he wants it to be true.
Therefore reality must be shifted left to fit his odd perceptions.

Jack, what's up with the BBC and Benny Hill

Jack, I read something about the stuck up people at the BBC wanting to quit showing "Benny Hill"
 reruns on BBC America, because Benny Hill isn't a good reflection on Great Britain.  Don't those stuck up people at the BBC understand there should be a world holiday for Benny Hill?  I always crack up thinking about him patting the bald guy on the head.  The theme songs were cool too.

Everyone please write to the head of the United Nations, your local congressman or congresswoman, mayor, city council person, ceo of Chase Manhattan, etc. for this important world legislation for Benny Hill.

Carl -- I'm not surprised.

Carl -- I'm not surprised.

I'm sure Benny is laughing at the dopes right now in the big Comedy Store in the sky with his Hill's Angels.

Not many people know this but Jane Leeves from Frasier was a Hill's Angel.

A lib***l is a deluded person who thinks that what he believes is true simply because he wants it to be true.
Therefore reality must be shifted left to fit his odd perceptions.

Jack,I thought of that before

Jack,

I thought of that before I used it...

I went for number definition

 #2....an offensive term that deliberately insults somebody's manners or behavior

 (insult)

LOL!

Slime works just as well for me!