If I had a $100 for every time the media fret that liberal Republicans will be seen as too "moderate" for their party base, I'd be blogging this from my vacation home in St. Kitts.
This CBS "Pure Horserace" article took the occasion of former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani reaffirming his support of taxpayer-funded abortions to ask, "Is Rudy Too Moderate?"
The belief that abortion is not only a constitutional right but one deserving of subsidy by tax dollars is hardly a moderate position, it's a policy position grounded in advocacy of the exercise of the right to obtain an abortion.
It may arguably be "moderate" for a candidate to favor abortion rights but with some restrictions, such as a ban on partial-birth abortion, parental consent laws, a ban on public financing, etc. But to defend taxpayer funding of abortion and/or to balk at banning partial-birth abortion moves solidly into the "liberal" edge of the spectrum on the abortion issue.



















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Re: "... to defend taxpa
April 6, 2007 - 01:58 ET byRe: "... to defend taxpayer funding of abortion and/or to balk at banning partial-birth abortion moves solidly into the "liberal" edge of the spectrum on the abortion issue."
Exactly!
Debra...
Tom Tancredo 2008 ---Republican nomination.
I'm just equal parts glad a
April 6, 2007 - 02:09 ET by sarcasmoI'm just equal parts glad and surprised he was actually honest about wanting taxpayer subsidies for abortion. Libertarians have a variety of positions on abortion -- basically all the way across the spectrum of US opinions -- but none of us, even the most feminist-pro-choice libertarians, wants taxpayer subsidies for abortions. The fact that he doesn't see what's morally wrong about forcing taxpayers who think a practice is murder to finance that same practice speaks volumes about Rudy's own morality. Of course, I'd already long questioned his ambitions and ethics since he was a hyperpolitical NY prosecutor expanding the "RICO" laws to the point that they could arguably subsequently apply quite well to a certain very politically powerful Church with a constant pattern of move-around & don't-punish wrist-slaps for serial sexual child-molestors, but BOY, do some people hate it when I point-out that particular obviousity! (Zippin' up the ol' Nomex undies...)
JMR
I once heard a caller to th
April 6, 2007 - 05:37 ET by motherbeltI once heard a caller to the Rush Limbaugh show define a "moderate" as someone who disagrees with abortion, but doesn't believe in blowing up abortion clinics.
Maybe, just maybe, if it was
April 6, 2007 - 07:29 ET by USA4freedomMaybe, just maybe, if it was your skull they poke a hole in and suck you out you would not feel so…. Moderate.
What soulless jerks.
America is best described by one word, freedom... Dwight D. Eisenhower
What title would you prefer,
April 6, 2007 - 09:57 ET by JMSUWhat title would you prefer, Shep?
"Is Rudy Too Compassionate for GOP?"
"Does Rudy Giuliani Understand Governing Too Well for GOP?"
"Rudy: Not Fundamentalist Enough?"
"Giuliani Takes Contrary View of Abortion from Taliban"
You must have gotten an &qu
April 6, 2007 - 10:23 ET by Ken ShepherdYou must have gotten an "A" in lib talking points class,JMSU. The "Taliban" one is a master stroke of phlegmatic hyperbole.
Have a Happy Easter, JMSU.
"phlegmatic hyperbole&
April 6, 2007 - 10:28 ET by MightyMouth"phlegmatic hyperbole"
ROFL! Ken, you made my weekend with that one! :-)
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Typical liberal spin, but you
April 6, 2007 - 10:36 ET by dscottTypical liberal spin, but you know, it's obvious you don't have a say in these matters. Repubs don't need or want any input from lib/Dems on picking a candidate. You have Obama and Hillary to push your agenda, the country as a whole must decide which direction they wish to go.
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius
jmsu
April 8, 2007 - 01:02 ET by SportPoliticsI'll tell you what title I would prefer:
GOP candidate for President plans on making you pay to help murder American babies, like all the democratic Presidential candidates. Is the nation coming together in murdering of the innocent, if not in Iraq, but on our own soil, finally ?
- or - (since you'll whine it's too long )
GOP hopeful wants you to pay to murder American babies.
I agree Ken, this is a proble
April 6, 2007 - 10:24 ET by dscottI agree Ken, this is a problem. I also entertained the idea of Rudy, but this idea of tax payer financed abortions is too far even with watering it down by saying the States should determine it because all it takes is the SCOTUS to saddle us with more mandates just like the recent EPA/CO2 decision. Rudy has stated he is personally opposed to abortion but acknowledges the settled law on the matter, well Rudy if you can't live by your principles then who are you? Laws are created by the legislature to reflect the values of society, that's what a Republic is supposed to be about, not the dictatorship of the few who insist on their values being shoved down our collective throats. Unless he comes out firmly against partial birth abortions, his appeal to the Conservatives is pretty much shot. I think Mary Katharine Ham expressed my sentiments very closely on Town hall.
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius
A Rudy Giuliani victory would
April 7, 2007 - 13:01 ET by BW222A Rudy Giuliani victory would signal a return to the days of Rockafeller Rupublicanism.
Oh yes...
April 7, 2007 - 13:19 ET by Guy Arthur ThomasOh yes indeed...I am almost CERTAIN that every single one of Rudy's points of political idealogy will become future legislation (eye roll). I am quite willing to categorize Rudy's views on abortion as politically left of moderate (but certainly not ultra-liberal by any means). Let's see...Reagan was allegedly anti-abortion...W.(43) is...and we still have...abortion. I realize the article is about how the media portrays Rudy's stated position...and not the issue of abortion itself or it's warranted rank of issues for politicians so my comment should be received in the context of the latter and I appreciate the truth of Shepherd's point...regardless of your view on abortion Rudy is to the left of moderate in a political context regarding abortion.
Shut up and blog! If you claim to be a conservative, please don't disgrace yourself and conservatism by thinking and arguing like a liberal. Go Rudy!
I understand what you're sa
April 8, 2007 - 00:47 ET by Ken ShepherdI understand what you're saying, but my point is that there's a difference between the moderation on the issue that comes from personally opposing abortion and wanting to find ways to lessen its impact vs. a liberal position on abortion that only helps further entrench it in the culture.
This is hardly a quibble, the argument over semantics, it goes to the very heart of a candidates philosophy and worldview, things that voters will judge at the polls, and those judgments can be colored by inaccurate media portrayals.
No way will I ever vote for Guliani
April 8, 2007 - 01:11 ET by SportPoliticsNo way will I ever vote for Guliani.
I respect a person who says they know it's murder, they know it's bad law, and they know it should be stopped, and they will fight for that.
Guliani stopped with it's bad law, and then said the poor should be government subsidized so their right isn't taken away. That's akin to saying the government must finance all of your "rights". Of course that's what DC wants to do. They want total control of everything, and damn near have it already.
The last Presidential candidate that ever spoke the truth on the issue that I know of was Howard Phillips of the Constitution Party years ago.
He said it was murder, and campaigned that on his first day in office he would write an EO outlawing abortion by declaring the unborn US citizens or something like that -(his power to do so - obviously questionable I read at the time) and move to imprison providers and recipients with the direct orders to the Attourney General. I'm not sure if he said murder charges, but it was close to that.
I appreciated that stance, since I finally heard a politican say exactly what they think.