A rather inconvenient truth occurred in late March that went totally unreported by the global warming alarmists in the media.
On the very day that soon-to-be-Dr. Al Gore was informing Congress of the planet’s imminent doom, the Anchorage Daily News reported that this winter has been so cold there that fire hydrants are exploding.
I bet your favorite drive-by media outlet didn’t share any of this as they were falling all over themselves with sycophantic praise for the global warming alarmist-in-chief (h/t NB member dscott, emphasis added throughout):
A cold spell last November, plus a too-cold March, drove frost deeper than usual in Anchorage this winter, down to about nine feet, which is just one foot above the official burial depth of city water pipes.
Pipes buried 10 feet underground are freezing all around the city, according to the Anchorage Water and Wastewater Utility.
The main lines are flowing fine, said Brett Jokela, assistant general manager of AWWU.
But even as spring slunk into town, fire hydrants popped out of the ground Monday and Tuesday nights and sent water flowing into buildings. And the spurs that lead to houses -- which property owners are responsible for -- are freezing around the city.
"Everything in town is freezing up faster than we can keep it thawed out," said Larry Libby, owner of Libby Thawing Service, who was out trying to get a main line flowing on Fort Richardson on Tuesday.
Isn’t that just delicious? The article marvelously continued:
November's weather lies at the heart of the problems this month. November is generally one of Anchorage's snowiest months, said National Weather Service meteorologist-in-charge Bob Hopkins. The snow insulates the ground. But in fall 2006, there was virtually none until December.
On top of that, November temperatures averaged a low of 5 and a high of 18, versus the normal average high of 28, according to National Weather Service data. The frost deepened and the stage was set for frozen pipes in the spring.
[…]
This year's freeze isn't the worst ever -- that was 10 years ago, when the frost reached about 13 1/2 feet deep, Libby said.
Hmmm. So the worst-ever freeze was ten years ago? I thought the globe has been warming for the past century?
Facts certainly are a stupid thing, aren’t they? Maybe folks like Gore and his not so merry band of alarmists should try them sometime.
Of course, that wouldn't fit with the agenda being driven, would it? After all, if we want Americans to believe the globe is warming, we certainly wouldn't want to report the parts of the planet that are actually colder than usual, would we?
Conversely, if this were the mid-70s, and the fear-mongering was an imminent ice age, do you think exploding fire hydrants in Alaska would have been headline news?
America's Media Motto: We Only Report What Fits Our Agenda!
What a disgrace!
—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters.
















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Nor will they note that Exit
April 5, 2007 - 10:30 ET by UnsaneNor will they note that Exit Glacier (just north of Seward, AK) has been melting since at least 1780!
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Did any of you catch this rep
April 5, 2007 - 10:53 ET by Sick-n-TiredDid any of you catch this report where Gore was heckled while receiving an honorary doctorate from the University of Concordia?
http://media.www.brockpress.com/media/storage/paper384/news/2007/04/03/News/Al.Gore.Graduates.From.Concordia-2820594.shtml
Please read the part where, in response to the hecklers Gore quipped "I don't even know if you guys are left- or right-wing". He just doesn't get it----POLITICS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SCIENCE!!! SCIENCE IS BASED ON FACTS, POLITICS BASED ON LIES!!! When will this fat head and all of his followers get it??!!! How can anybody that has ever had a science class, at anytime in their life, look at these people with a straight face and totally digest and agree with the mis-information they are spewing??? jeesh. (Sorry, the ol' blood gets to boiling sometimes.)
S&T
"The is no room for politics in science-period"
Did any of you catch this rep
April 5, 2007 - 10:53 ET by Sick-n-TiredDid any of you catch this report where Gore was heckled while receiving an honorary doctorate from the University of Concordia?
http://media.www.brockpress.com/media/storage/paper384/news/2007/04/03/News/Al.Gore.Graduates.From.Concordia-2820594.shtml
Please read the part where, in response to the hecklers Gore quipped "I don't even know if you guys are left- or right-wing". He just doesn't get it----POLITICS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SCIENCE!!! SCIENCE IS BASED ON FACTS, POLITICS BASED ON LIES!!! When will this fat head and all of his followers get it??!!! How can anybody that has ever had a science class, at anytime in their life, look at these people with a straight face and totally digest and agree with the mis-information they are spewing??? jeesh. (Sorry, the ol' blood gets to boiling sometimes.)
S&T
"The is no room for politics in science-period"
I thought that was great.....
April 5, 2007 - 11:31 ET by BEGRUNTI thought that was great..........at least the Canadians had some backbone to stand up to this fraud.
I agree but it is going to ta
April 5, 2007 - 11:47 ET by Sick-n-TiredI agree but it is going to take a revolution to get the truth out there......
Please end the nonsense peo
April 5, 2007 - 13:38 ET by ChumlyPlease end the nonsense people...
Sick, you just shot a BIG hole in the right wing spin on Global Warming
when you said that science is based on facts, politics is based on lies
[and, I might add, emotions].
The worlds climate scientists have spoken - they believe that the earth is
warming and that man is contributing to the warming. They have facts
to prove it. You just argued FOR Global Warming.
Please read the following excerpt from the Intergovernmental Panel on climate change (made up of scientists from187 nations and territories (out of about 200 in the world))...
The evidence for
human-caused global warming
is now “unequivocal”,
says IPCC
Paris, 2 February 2007 – The first major global assessment of climate change
science in six years has concluded that changes in the atmosphere, the oceans
and glaciers and ice caps show unequivocally that the world is warming.
The Intergovernmental Panel on
Climate Change (IPCC) concludes that major advances in climate modelling and
the collection and analysis of data now give scientists “very high confidence”
(at least a 9 out of 10 chance of being correct) in their understanding of how
human activities are causing the world to warm. This level of confidence is much greater
than what could be achieved in 2001 when the IPCC issued its last major report.
Today’s report, the first of four
volumes to be released this year by the IPCC, also confirms that the marked
increase in atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases carbon dioxide (CO2),
methane (CH4) and nitrous oxide (N2O) since 1750 is the
result of human activities.
An even greater degree of warming
would likely have occurred if emissions of pollution particles
and other aerosols had not offset some of the impact of greenhouse gases,
mainly by reflecting sunlight back out to space.
Here is the link to the rest of it...
http://www.wmo.int/web/Press/PR_IPCC_E.doc
Hey Chumley
April 5, 2007 - 13:53 ET by RJHey Chumley. I'm still laughing about your implication that your hazmat janitoring job gives you some kind of personal carbon setback credits.
RJ, you missed my point. M
April 5, 2007 - 15:18 ET by ChumlyRJ, you missed my point. My point was that my contribution to OUR environment FAR outweighs any impact my own personal carbon footprint could make on the planet. So, it is a moot point. Can you say the same?
And, while I am wasting my time with your nonsensical posts...
I have observed that you contribute the least out of any of the people on this blog. Most of your replies are filled with name calling and derision and absolutely lacking in substance and value. I have found that most of your posts are much less about countering anyones argument than they are about taking out your anger on people.
I find you to be the most mean spirited of the bunch, here. And that is saying a lot. There is a lot of bad faith as well as bad manners on this blog, but you are the worst offender.
Then don't let the screen doo
April 6, 2007 - 03:24 ET by old croThen don't let the screen door hit you in the butt!
Well, thanks, Chumley
April 6, 2007 - 12:57 ET by RJWell, thanks, Chumpster. I take that as a compliment of my ability to identify stupidity and dishonesty. When I treat a poster with open derision it's because I've concluded that that poster (you, for example) has nothing of significant value to add to this board beyond the comedic. Posters like you have an m.o. of frequently refusing to respond specifically to solid arguments or points made. More often than not, you ignore them, respond with non-sequiturs, or disappear. It makes attempting to deal seriously with posters like you a waste of time...and derision the appropriate vehicle.
As to your claim that your work as a hazmat janitor exempts you from having to take aggressive action to reduce your own carbon footprint...you're exempt? Of all the dumb things you've said, this is the most arrogant and self-serving. Could there be a statement that more clearly exemplifies the elitism and sense of entitlement that leftists like you have? Of a board full of leftists who argue from agenda and emotion rather than logic and critical thought, you, Chumpster, rank near the top in ridiculousness.
"Did we think Kyoto would [reduce global warming] when we signed it? . . . Hell no!" -Al Gore
Variable Solar output denier.
April 5, 2007 - 14:22 ET by dscottVariable Solar output denier. Chumly, we have already heard the lib/Dem talking points you are parroting but as usual the people you cite have no underlying facts (that is all the facts not the cherry picking of the data) to back up their claims.
Yet you and they still have a bigger problem, both the US and the average global temperature trend from 1998 to now is downward not upward as your theory and modeling demand. I would say that's a hole big enough for a Mack truck to drive through. Not to mention the debunking of the hockey stick temperature graph as acknowledged by the IPCC.
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius
You do realize the IPCC is
April 5, 2007 - 14:56 ET by ChumlyYou do realize the IPCC is the world's authority on the climate and environment. They are not talking politics, they are talking science. The group is made up of people and scientists representing almost all of the nations in the world. How can you refute that with your extremist viewpoints? How?
Look at the charts on page 4 of this document. There is no such trend as you mentioned. It is most certainly going up. http://www.wmo.int/n...
I am not denying the idea of variable solar output. I beleive in it. However, our data on that issue only goes back about 20 years, so scientists will tell you that any premise that can be made would certainly be unreliable.
Chumly, these are the same sc
April 5, 2007 - 15:10 ET by Sick-n-TiredChumly, these are the same scientists that also totally wiped out the medieval warm period in order to establish the 'hockey stick graph'--- that notably was rebuked by McIntyre and McKitrick in 2003. Hard to trust those that make the data fit their preconceived models rather than let the data dictate and develope into a/the model......
The IPCC is an organization r
April 5, 2007 - 15:25 ET by dscottThe IPCC is an organization run by UN bureaucrats whose sole reason for existance and whose paychecks depend upon promoting "Global Warming". They recently tried to get away from that idea by changing it to "Climate Change."
Let's go straight to the source of the IPCCs data: the Hadley Centre Monthly Global Average near Surface temperature chart. Do you notice something about the last eight years there Chumly????? So how is it that the IPCC cherry picked the data to come up with their conclusions? I believe I answered that question, they have a vested interest to keep their paychecks coming, as soon as they admit Global Warming has stopped their reason for existance ends and the money stops. Oophs, was that an inconvenient truth Chumly???
And to back up what I say about the US, please check the NOAA website on US mean temperatures put in start 1998 to 2007, where it says period, select: annual and you will see the temperature trend has been falling at a rate of .46 F/decade for the last 8 years, now how is that Global Warming and does that square with the theory?
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius
Chumly, lets see if you've a
April 5, 2007 - 20:06 ET by NL207Chumly, lets see if you've a shread of common sense at all. Like some of he others on this board, my academic training is as a scientist. I am going to do something here that is a legitimate engineering estimation technique and that should be enough to convince even you that these gobal warming alarmists deserve neither heed nor credence. Generally, this technique is called a bounds analysis. [See here, for a couple of course descriptions that teach this thinking. I got 1.1 million hits on the search. I just picked one of the first few. ] It is intended to discover the maxima and minima of the range of some result over ths domain of its input. It can be used in the reverse as well, given a range of values, estimate the domain of variability, which I will do here.
Some facts, all of which may be easily Googled. (1) the mean temperaure of the planet earth is 288 K. (2) The earth's atmosphere accounts for greenhouse effect of about 33 degrees K, meaning that without its atmosphere, the mean surface temperature of the earth would be a frigid 255 degrees K. (3) The present concentration of CO2 in the Earth's atmosphere is about 385 ppm. (4) Variously, Scientists claim that water vapour, that is, H2O, represents 60-95% of the greenhouse effect. the balance is attributable to an assortment of other greenhouse gases including CO2. (5) the measured increase in mean surface temperature of the earth over the last century is agreed by science to be 0.6 degrees K. (6) Over the last century, the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere increased by approximately 35%
What we desire to do here is examine the maximum contribution Human activity might have made to the climate system.
Lets assume that ALL the change in global temperature observed in the last century was caused by CO2 increases,i.e., there were NO natural variations.
Lets also assume that changes in CO@ were the only significant factor in play, i.e., all the change can be blamed on CO2.
And last, lets assume that all the change in CO2 concentration can be blamed on human activity.
Under these asumptions, we see that a 35% increase in CO2 presumably caused a 0.6/33.0 or 1.8% change in the aggregate greenhouse effect. This suggests that CO2 can be estimated to represent about (3*0.6)/33.0 of the aggregate greenhouse effect bfore the increase, or about 5.4%. This number agrees very closely with one of the computations made and published by climate scientists that assessed water vapor as 90-95% of the greenhouse effect. The climate scientists who suggest that water vapor is only 60-70% of the aggregate effect are likely in error, since their result is greatly at variance with observed data. Interestingly, these are all pro-AGW climate scientists who place the water vapor contribution this low.
Now, Chumly, if you can't see the validity of these estimation techniques and are instead taken in by this junk science Gore and his allies are pedaling, then you are a colossal fool.
Wow. You should send this off
April 5, 2007 - 20:15 ET by Gat New YorkWow. You should send this off to Newt who will be debating Kerry on this subject.
If Newt did his homework prop
April 6, 2007 - 00:35 ET by NL207If Newt did his homework properly, Lurch is screwed.
There is no excuse for anyone questioning this global warming nonsense to ever lose a debate on the subject. There is simply no sustainable argument to attempt anything like Kyoto. There is considerable evidence that the dominant climate generating forces are way beyond man's control. There is nothing man can do to prevent natural variations in the climate, and paleoclimatic records show that natural variations have been far greater than anything that has happened in the last 300 years under man's influence or is going to happen in the next 100 years. Moreover, there isn't diddly squat man is going to do to prevent these natural variations with today's technology.
Moreover, there isn't diddly
April 6, 2007 - 09:31 ET by dscottMoreover, there isn't diddly squat man is going to do to prevent these natural variations with today's technology
What about Karl Rove's weather machine, it did wonders for New Orleans???? <sarcasim on>
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius
I am sincerely impressed wi
April 6, 2007 - 12:47 ET by ChumlyI am sincerely impressed with your input NL, but, we are not climate scientists. It does us no good to argue the details of climate change.
Face it, you people on this blog represent a small minority of our country.
Here is some more junk science for you...
This just in, in today's Worldwide news...
http://www.reuters.c...
below is a response from:
James L. Connaughton, the chairman of the White House Council on
Environmental Quality, said some of the findings in the report,
particularly the prospect of intensifying coastal damage from rising
seas, were “of high concern,” but noted the panel also foresaw benefits
to agriculture in temperate regions as well.
Come on people, even the people you helped put in the White House has acknowledge that it is happening.
I am not a climate scientist
April 6, 2007 - 13:27 ET by NL207I am not a climate scientist either. But that does not mean I have turned of my own powers of critical thinking and common sense.
You, and anybody else who choses to follow these scaremongers without question are acting as sheep being led to the slaughter. What makes you think they are right? The mass of evidence says there will be no calamity. The mass of evidence says all of their extreme cases are wrong. proof: Compare the PCC's prognostications with the actual data. The mass of evidence says they are wrong from a scientific perspective. proof: How many of their climate models can regress all known data sets? None! Everytime these AGW clowns get into a public debate with anyone who is at all knowledgable, they lose. Their scientists also lose public debates with the skeptic scientists. proof: see the recent debate between Lindzen, et.al. and Sommerville, et.al.
Common sense says that man can do nothing short of all out nuclear war to significanly impact a system as enormous as the earth's climate, even THAT calamity would produce only a short lived perturbation.
Ha! Now, that was funny, NL. You pracically made Chumley cry.
April 6, 2007 - 14:18 ET by RJ"I am sincerely impressed with your input NL, but, we are not climate scientists. It does us no good to argue the details of climate change." -Chumley
Ha! Now, that was funny, NL. When you raised the "critical thought" ante on Chumley, I could visualize him going ow! ow! ow! ow! as blood trickled from his ears.
Most amusing was when, realizing he was outmatched, he tried to drag you down to his level. He said, in effect, "I'm not smart enough or educated enough to follow you, NL, but since neither of us are climate scientists WE can't argue the details." LOL!
Let's face it Chumly, all you
April 6, 2007 - 13:42 ET by dscottLet's face it Chumly, all you liberals continue to repeat the same nonsense over and over again in an attempt to get people to believe you. It's not going to happen here.
Btw- If Global Warming is supposed to make the Oceans rise, they why is it falling the Indian Ocean and the Artic???????
A recent sea level fall of the order of 20 to 30 cm in
the last 30 years is most surprising. Both rates (>10
mm/year) and amplitudes (20 to 30 cm) are much
higher than expected.
Oophs! was that another inconvenient truth??? You had better put your fingers in your ears and close your eyes and say "lalalalalala" because if you don't, you might see too many facts contrary to your belief system.
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius
The Artic Ocean level is fall
April 6, 2007 - 13:46 ET by dscottThe Artic Ocean level is falling Chumly, Oophs another inconvenient truth? Weren't they supposed to being rising??? and all that ice melting???
But your not a climate scientist, so you just take the word of the MSM talking heads that it's so. Talking about checking your common sense at the door.
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius
If Global Warming is occuring
April 6, 2007 - 13:56 ET by dscottIf Global Warming is occuring then why is the Antartic Ice Cover increasing????? to the point sea levels are falling?????
Wingham et al. show that “72% of the Antarctic ice sheet is gaining 27 ± 29 gigatons per year.” To put this into perspective as it relates to global sea level, the authors indicate that this gain in mass is enough “to lower global sea levels by 0.08 mm year-1.” These results are very similar to the findings reported last year in Science magazine by Curt Davis and colleagues, who also used satellite altimetry measurements of Antarctica to calculate mass changes and estimated that over a similar period and found that snow and ice build-up of the Antarctic ice sheets contributed to a fall in sea level of about 0.12 mm per year
lalalalalala, I don't want to hear anything other than Global Warming, llalalalalala
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius
IPCC, NSF and every other scientific body
April 6, 2007 - 00:37 ET by citizen xChumly,
If they denounce the IPCC as some UN conspiracy, then point to the
NSF findings which are all USA. Chumly I think you are talking to folk
that think the iraq war is going well and that any suggestion of change
means you're a tree hugger or anti-american.
When we went from
horse transportation to cars the economy boomed. We evolved. Folks
made money. Capitalsim. When we go from oil to the next energy
source, new industries will form, with new booms. Ostriches will be
sniffing sand. Better to be ahead of the boom, I say. That's how
America got great. So let's listen to America's scientists. You guys
are American, right ?
Yes, Chumly, listen to Citize
April 6, 2007 - 09:42 ET by dscottYes, Chumly, listen to Citizen x, get your support group together, emote how you're all going to save the planet from those evil Republicans wanting to consume the earth in one vast commercial industrial factory. Make sure to ignore "all" the data and cherry pick only that which supports the agenda of saving the planet. Repeatedly practice circular reasoning to fend off all those nasty facts that contradict the agenda based theory. But most of all deny that the average global & US mean temperature has been falling since 1998, a negative trend for eight years.
While both of you are practicing circular reasoning denying all the data, I suppose you also support a little fibbing along the way in the name of saving the planet, the ends justify the means, right? Remember that polar bear picture on the small ice berg offered as emotional proof of Global Warming? Guess what time of year the picture was taken???
Yes, Chumly, you and Citizen X should practice your 5 minutes of hate with Bush's picture on the wall, you will feel better and reinvigorate that liberal self righteousness. And by all means make money doing it by selling those carbon credits, there are plenty of fools who need to assuage their guilt, Al Gore has shown the way.
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius
I see you don't like my bound
April 6, 2007 - 10:34 ET by NL207I see you don't like my bounds analysis either. That doesn't surprise me. Most libs don't have a shred of common sense and lack any ability to question dogma.
So you want to listen the American Scientists? Apparently you only listen to only SELECTED American scientists. Why don't you listen to some of the MANY American scientists who say that science does not know how the climate system works? There is ample proof this statement is true. For example, science cannot explain with any certainty why ice ages come and go, all by themselves, without any help from man. Science also cannot explain why the Earth cooled radically in the mid-eocene epoch about 44 million years ago. Nor can it explain the ice age that exsited over 400 million years ago. Don't you think if global warming scientists had anything remotely resembling an adequate understanding of climate science, they would be able to explain the major events in earth's paleoclimate history? Thei failure to do this shoudl be taken as proof of their ignorance.
If science cannot explain how earth's climate system works, there can be no basis for creating a huge, invasive and tyrannical government intervention which wil literally disrupt human history in order to avert a problem that science cannot even conclusively show is caused by man or will be severe enough to warrant such action. Indeed, all present data suggest that adaption rather vain attempts at prevention will be the best answer to climate change.
Following up, NL207: Takeover of the world's economy
April 6, 2007 - 11:06 ET by RJFollowing up, NL: today, the Hartford Courant (sister paper to the Washington Post) published a top-of-the-fold scare story about how the earth is economically doomed if action isn't taken. Economists are now drafting the wording of the latest GW alarmist report form the IPCC. It will claim dire economic consequences just around the corner. Of course, this ignores that the Warmists' takeover of the world economy is most likely to do JUST that.
But deep into the article there's this from one IPCC economist who favors a Carbon Tax: "You're right! We don't know exactly how much warming the planet will experience over the next century. We are not precicely sure how local climates will change....WE CANNOT GUARANTEE THAT OUR FEARS ABOUT POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS CLIMATE CHANGE ARE JUSTIFIED...but you cannot be sure that they are not."
What? Wreck the world's economy because of an ADMITTEDLY unproven fear?
"Did we think Kyoto would [reduce global warming] when we signed it? . . . Hell no!" -Al Gore
Oh Chumly, my ol’ chap. Y
April 5, 2007 - 14:46 ET by Sick-n-TiredOh Chumly, my ol’ chap. You honestly do make me laugh. I find it interesting that there are only 187 scientists in the world?! Wow, there aren’t very many huh? That of course, like everything else you regurgitate, is a lie. I do believe I saw you lurking on the Leo DeCrapio thread yesterday, and if this is true, then by reading my very abbreviated list of scientists that discuss natural processes at play in the environment along with those that outright argue and show data against AGW, you would realize what a fool you sound like by making the claim the “the worlds climate scientists have spoken”. As a scientist myself I don’t believe we have all spoken. You see the beauty, nature, backbone and purpose of science is to come up with a hypothesis, or multiple hypotheses and to try and prove and disprove them until an interpretation/set of interpretations and conclusion can be reached. Then you continually test it. Let me put it in terms you may understand---it is like dissent. Would you like to see an America where dissent was forbidden? Now with that being said, how can you openly prevent and stifle (what is the workings of real science) one half of the climate change debate/arguemnet because you disagree? Those that are ‘dissenters’ to the MSM and talking heads such as Gore----of whom I may remind you are not scientists----are those that continue to push science forward..
Now as far as your ‘BIG’ hole theory in the right wing spin; again, you must not read my posts. There is, nor should be, no politics in science-period. So if I so adamantly believe what I continually post, what in the hell would make you think that you can fit me into a certain political affiliation? Just because I disagree with you? I have had far better and smarter disagree with me before you.
But obviously this is a moral, political, emotional and religious cause to you, so the contrarian facts will never matter.
S&T
“How do you know when a politician is lying? His lips are moving.”
You misread what I said. I
April 5, 2007 - 15:08 ET by ChumlyYou misread what I said. I said the panel is made up of scientists from that many different countries. The vast majority of counties on the planet. The consensus, worldwide, is warming. Human caused warming. Please read the link I posted, and go to the IPCC and WMO websites. Then, try to refute it.
I am a scientist myself. I am not a climate scientist, though. Are you? Why would anyone say there are ony 187 scientists in the world? That makes no sense, and only distracts from what we are talking about. It sounds like a purposeful disctraction. I get a lot of that from the people on this blog.
By the way, did I put you down or insult you in any way? I don't think so. Lets keep it out of the gutter.
Fair enough, out of the gutte
April 5, 2007 - 15:32 ET by Sick-n-TiredFair enough, out of the gutter. As a scientist you should understand why i get heated about this though, as should you. There is a much larger component in natural climate variability, than the anthropogenic, that is largely ignored. However, for political reasons only this small factor gets any of the attention. Please, take to time to read some of the references i posted about climate cycles, periodicities etc. In addition, I will also say as a scientist, that i don't (believe it or not) discount the anthropogenic factor, but just know and realize there is much more at play in this dynamic system.
Doesn't it bother you that people like Leo come off as 'scientists' and are more respected even though they haven't had much if any education in the sciences? You, as have I, have undoubtedly spent 10's of 100's of hours, and dollars in classes and labs learning the in's and out's of your discipline.
My degrees are in geology, with accessory courses in paleoclimates.
Again, that is cool, we'll keep it on the up and up and out of the gutter. Much more civil that way.
Fair enough, out of the gutte
April 5, 2007 - 15:32 ET by Sick-n-TiredFair enough, out of the gutter. As a scientist you should understand why i get heated about this though, as should you. There is a much larger component in natural climate variability, than the anthropogenic, that is largely ignored. However, for political reasons only this small factor gets any of the attention. Please, take to time to read some of the references i posted about climate cycles, periodicities etc. In addition, I will also say as a scientist, that i don't (believe it or not) discount the anthropogenic factor, but just know and realize there is much more at play in this dynamic system.
Doesn't it bother you that people like Leo come off as 'scientists' and are more respected even though they haven't had much if any education in the sciences? You, as have I, have undoubtedly spent 10's of 100's of hours, and dollars in classes and labs learning the in's and out's of your discipline.
My degrees are in geology, with accessory courses in paleoclimates.
Again, that is cool, we'll keep it on the up and up and out of the gutter. Much more civil that way.
Interesting chart on the sun'
April 5, 2007 - 15:52 ET by dscottInteresting chart on the sun's influence on Global Temperature when considering the length of the solar cycle. Notice the correlation. I will give the caveat that correlation is not causation.
Here's an a Finlander who did his own study of the issue named Timo Niroma.
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius
Hey Chumster.........Why is i
April 5, 2007 - 19:20 ET by BEGRUNTHey Chumster.........Why is it that for all the organizations you site, as well as scientists, I can find just as many who find the exact opposite? Kind of puts a kink in your argument.
OOps...minor oversight, Im su
April 5, 2007 - 10:54 ET by bassndudeOOps...minor oversight, Im sure. The NYT, WP and Globe will be sure to print this soon.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Sorry all, I don't know why i
April 5, 2007 - 10:58 ET by Sick-n-TiredSorry all, I don't know why it posted twice, I only hit post once.
Well, if soon to be Dr. Gor
April 5, 2007 - 11:09 ET by Dave RWell, if soon to be Dr. Gore (that still sounds like a 007 movie just waiting to be made) is right, than Larry Libby will soon be out of a job. Not only that, but he is going to have to re-locate as well, as Anchorage will soon be under water. According to Al, anyway.
Exploding fire hydrants? Damn, that's funny.
BTW-I just heard a weather forecast for Atlanta for this upcoming Easter weekend. The report said to expect freezing temperatures. Gee, I hope those guys all brought their jackets to Augusta for the weekend, as well as practiced their putting. Those greens are fast enough when it is warm. Wonder how fast they are going to be when they are frozen?
This republic will not survive the continued neglect of its people.- Neal Boortz.
Don't worry, at the end of th
April 5, 2007 - 11:20 ET by Sick-n-TiredDon't worry, at the end of the year, when they calculate average temperature for 2007 you can be rest assured that these freezing temps will be smoothed out and we will have had another 'hottest year on record'.
For those of you who believe
April 5, 2007 - 11:37 ET by dscottFor those of you who believe the sun's activity influences the weather and therefore climate, please note that 10 years ago, 1997 was at the bottom curve of the solar cycle, i.e. sunspot minimum. But of course, all the solar output deniers will have us believe the in myth of the solar constant. A difference (solar max to solar min) of 4 watts per square meter across the whole of the earth is an enormous amount of energy exceeding many fold the entire annual electrical production of the US in terawatts every second of daylight every day! Now if Al Gore would just get his 4 mansions off the electrical grid, global cooling could be the next issue de jour.
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