One of the most ridiculous suggestions among Time magazine’s “51 Things You Can Do to Make a Difference" to save the planet from global warming was the idea of making only right turns. No, that doesn’t presage some political shift for the publication. Right turns, in this case, referred to traffic.
ABC seized on this concept on April 3, detailing United Parcel Service's company policy of avoiding left turns.
But neither Time nor ABC "World News with Charles Gibson" explained that this practice might not be as good for ordinary drivers as it is for the UPS fleet with computer-programmed delivery, mapping software and GPS.
But if you can't do as Time magazine insists and make only right turns, what is another option? Number #14 "Ride the bus" which the magazine claims people actually want to do. "The U.S. is ready to change. We're just waiting for the bus," wrote Time. But by "we" they mean "you."




















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I will remember this on my ne
April 4, 2007 - 16:09 ET by DCC1I will remember this on my next trip to the store, instead of turning left and being there in about 1 min, I will make only right turns and go for a 20 min joy ride. Oh no need for the thanks, just doing my part to help the planet!
"He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself. "
-Thomas Paine 1791
No Left Turns?!
April 4, 2007 - 16:13 ET by DarthVega7This has to be the dumbest thing I've heard of from the global warming crowd.
That sad part of this globa
April 4, 2007 - 16:14 ET by American InfidelThe sad part of this global warming hoax is that eventually some legislation is going to pass that will adversely affect the economy. It would be fun to just watch all the chicken littles but eventually we're all going to pay for this obvious hoax.
We've finally given liberals a war against fundamentalism, and they don't want to fight it. They would, except it would put them on the same side as the United States.
Ann Coulter
Time magazine's "51 Ti
April 4, 2007 - 16:29 ET by radiofitz34Time magazine's "51 Tips" should actually be called "Instructions For You Dumbed Down Americans". Yes, that's right, while you pions ride the bus, We'll (the writers) be sitting here typing away with our Starbucks and croissants and driving our Mercedes or Lexus back to our "humble" abode.
If any Time magazine writer wants to ride a bus home. I'd be stunned.
Making only right turns. Woul
April 4, 2007 - 16:19 ET by Chris NormanMaking only right turns. Wouldn't that be just circling the block over and over again? :)
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
Yeah Chris, but at least yo
April 4, 2007 - 16:22 ET by MightyMouthYeah Chris, but at least you won't be making any of those "evil" left turns. On top of that, you will accomplish the same thing that big guberment does...nothing!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
MM,Yeah, that's what I was th
April 4, 2007 - 18:08 ET by Chris NormanMM,
Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Another "does absolutely nothing" empty deed....
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
Nonsense
April 4, 2007 - 16:35 ET by allanfWhat absolute brain dead drivel. The extra distance, traffic lights and idling in avoiding a left turn will more than make up for time spent in the intersection.
Just try going around a block in New York City by making three right turns instead of one left. You won't save any fuel.
These folks at Time have lost it.
Right turns. This is LOL stup
April 4, 2007 - 16:57 ET by EdhenryRight turns. This is LOL stupid, which is great for the reasonable rest of us.
And Al Bore heckled at Canadian University today for his hypocricy.
LOL stupid is right Ed,Next
April 4, 2007 - 17:01 ET by MightyMouthLOL stupid is right Ed,
Next thing you know they will suggest putting the traffic lights on green..all the time. That way, no one has to stop!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
thanks EdHenry
April 4, 2007 - 17:12 ET by bigtimerAnd Al Bore heckled at Canadian University today for his hypocricy.
Hey...thanks EdH for that info about his phoniness getting heckled today...you sure never heard a word about that so far today anyway that I know of in the msm...
But you did hear and see pictures of Rove getting heckled today with protesters...
What hypocrites the msm are....and they really think if they are mum know one will know...thank goodness for the internet and posters like you!
Isn't the UPS policy for safe
April 4, 2007 - 17:03 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveIsn't the UPS policy for safety reasons rather than reducing pollution?
Left turns in automobiles (in countries that drive on the right-hand side of the road) are statistically more dangerous than right turns (vice-vera in the UK and other left-side driving countries).
This "tip" is pretty ridiculous. As someone stated earlier in this thread, by trying to make only right turns, we'd all spend more time in our cars with the engines running...kind of counterproductive in the effort to reduce emissions.
"There is a time to take counsel of your fears, and there is a time to never listen to any fear." --General George S. Patton, Jr.
Having a problem here finding
April 4, 2007 - 17:11 ET by bassndudeHaving a problem here finding a word or phrase to discribe this idea. Hair brained, but thats so blond. Goofy fits, but is so cartoonish. But then again, so is the idea. Im just awe struck that these people have jobs.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
How about:"It makes abou
April 4, 2007 - 17:15 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveHow about:
"It makes about as much sense as a football bat."
"Intellectually bankrupt"
"Boundless stupidity"
...I'm out.
It is difficult to describe with words.
"There is a time to take counsel of your fears, and there is a time to never listen to any fear." --General George S. Patton, Jr.
Agreeded Mean...this is even
April 4, 2007 - 17:18 ET by bassndudeAgreeded Mean...this is even so dumb even a caveman knows its stupid.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Watch it...your comment made
April 4, 2007 - 17:21 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveWatch it...your comment made my uni-brow twitch!
"There is a time to take counsel of your fears, and there is a time to never listen to any fear." --General George S. Patton, Jr.
I will go ahead and ditch my
April 4, 2007 - 17:29 ET by jcrapes4I will go ahead and ditch my car and take mass transit the day after I see every politician and everyone in the entertainment business who believes we actually affect gobal warming start to actually reduce the amount of energy they use. No carbon offset bs either.
New word
April 4, 2007 - 18:18 ET by nkviking75Let's make up a word for these kind of suggestions. How about "Gore-fy"?
Whoever came up with that ide
April 4, 2007 - 19:27 ET by MikeBWhoever came up with that idea has become the year's first candidate for the Plastic Belly Award.
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan
Ok lets think about this...
April 4, 2007 - 18:15 ET by c5thenOk lets think about this....
Trying to get somewhere and having to make three right turns instead of one left turn, and if you are in the 'burbs or the country, possibly driving and extra mile or more is supposed to save something?
I see it as only expending extra of everything: time, fuel and emissions.
Banning left hand turns wou
April 4, 2007 - 18:17 ET by John in CABanning left hand turns would doom NASCAR. Another liberal attack on stock car racing. John in CA likes go fast, turn left racing.
Give a Democrat Party free America a chance!
That left "turn racing
April 4, 2007 - 18:23 ET by MightyMouthThat left "turn racing" thing only applies in the northern hemisphere, right John? In the southern hemisphere it's "right turn" racing... if I am not mistaken. :-p
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
mighty, in the southern hem
April 4, 2007 - 19:17 ET by John in CAmighty, in the southern hemisphere, it might be that it is supposed to be right turn racing. However, when NASCAR went down below a few years ago, despite the rotational pull of the earth encouraging right hand turns, they muscled those cars into traditional left hand turns racing.
Give a Democrat Party free America a chance!
What will a law abiding citiz
April 4, 2007 - 18:24 ET by Clear thinkerWhat will a law abiding citizen do when only the bad guys take left turns?
The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.
CT, of course the bad guys
April 4, 2007 - 18:29 ET by MightyMouthCT, of course the bad guys will obey left turn laws as well as they do strict gun laws. Take away my left turns and only criminals will have left turns! :-)
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
MM...BINGO!The liberal MSM ha
April 4, 2007 - 18:30 ET by Clear thinkerMM...
BINGO!
The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.
Double post
April 4, 2007 - 21:58 ET by saw the lightDouble post
If left turns are made illega
April 4, 2007 - 21:59 ET by saw the lightIf left turns are made illegal, then only the criminals will make left turns.
Tomorrow morning, when I go home from work, I will make FIVE left turns for a 10 minute commute. Only right turns will take me onto two heavily traveled and backed up interstates. How bad will that be for the environment?
"People everywhere confuse what they read in newspapers with news." - A.J. Liebling
LEFT TURNS
April 4, 2007 - 18:36 ET by ConspiracyUSPS eliminated left turns from their routes years ago. Left turns are more dangerous to make--right turns are safer--that's all. It's all about safety not about making a difference.
How about if TIME magazine
April 4, 2007 - 18:41 ET by wiwfHow about if TIME magazine just stops printing their magazine anymore? That'll save some trees and CO2
Their hypocrisy knows no limits, no matter how blatant it is.
Nope. You cite the 3rd reas
April 4, 2007 - 18:42 ET by j. frank wilsonNope. You cite the 3rd reason as the first.
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=360685
But, don't let the facts get in the way of your story...
Nice going frank, what are
April 4, 2007 - 18:54 ET by MightyMouthNice going frank, what are the rest of us going to do? You know the ones that aren't hooked up the UPS "package flow technology"? But don't let this threads theme get in the way of your agenda.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
MM,Oh, for crying out loud!UP
April 4, 2007 - 19:08 ET by BlondeMM,
Oh, for crying out loud!
UPS has a software package that helps them optimize their routes.
But it doesn't take into account alot of driving kind of stuff. Like wrecks.
Safety in a truck is safety in a truck.
Leave it to the libs to come up with something so retarded as right turns only.
You know what I do for a living. I am stunned at the stupidity of this entire "suggestion" of greeniness.
ROTFLMAO!
Agreed Blonde. It's so sim
April 4, 2007 - 19:20 ET by MightyMouthAgreed Blonde. It's so simple for the lefties, and the logic so deft, let me see if I can understand it: Humans are causing global warming by turning left, ergo: ban left turns! So it is written...so it shall be done!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Your link was a local channel
April 4, 2007 - 18:56 ET by contraryYour link was a local channel story about the UPS, and Conspiracy was talking about the USPS. I think you should practice more of what you preach. (Not to say the USPS didn't make this decision for the reasons listed in the linked article, but it doesn't disprove his claim about the USPS.)
Is this national enough for y
April 4, 2007 - 19:08 ET by j. frank wilsonIs this national enough for you?
http://zdnet.com.com/1606-2_2-5967129.html
This left hand turn thing i
April 4, 2007 - 20:20 ET by radiofitz34This left hand turn thing is just as stupid as Al Gore's claim to know the truth about global warming. My question to the elite liberals is: have we been dumbed down enough yet? If not, I'll certainly do my best to be an idiot and act like an idiot. Like duh, duh I'm sure your right Jfrankwilson since you are smart and I'm an idiot. Does that help you out?
Well I don't think so, we are on to this bullcrap. The message with get out in due time before the 2008 election. What's the message? ............
The left hand turn
April 5, 2007 - 13:19 ET by SportPoliticsThe right hand turn is no good for the correct side of the street half the time.
On another note...
April 5, 2007 - 01:43 ET by Mr. BishopMy older brother spent 2 years in Poland. Upon his return, he told me the most amazing thing, along the lines of what you are discussing now. He said, that in Polish, there is no such thing as turning left. There is no word for left, or something like that. He said, you say, "Turn left, then turn around..."
Just thought I'd throw that out there...
"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" - Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"
What is good for UPS might be
April 4, 2007 - 20:17 ET by ucWhat is good for UPS might be good for US - no turns to the left - at least as we know it these days.
How does Pelosi explain to Syria the left's arguements against our current foreign policies that have given millions the opportunities of self representation and freedom? And, how does she explain these Democrats fight for standing only for such in our own yards?
No left turns?
Riding the Bus
April 5, 2007 - 01:33 ET by entWhere I'm from, the local politicos who most loudly extol the benefits of riding the bus . . . never ride the bus.
It is a shame that the right
April 5, 2007 - 08:39 ET byIt is a shame that the right wing hot air machines have brainwashed folks into thinking saving the environment is a waste of time. sad.
A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons
No, Montana Lyin', what's sad is your
April 5, 2007 - 08:52 ET by RJWhat's sad, Monty, is your obvious lack of knowledge on the subject, and your knee-jerk acceptance of the snake oil being sold by GW charlatans like Al Gore.
But, hey. If YOU'RE sold on the concept, I just bet you've taken aggressive steps to reduce your carbon footprint. How about telling us what some of that might be? Maybe you can shame some of us into following in your footprints. ;^>
I walk to work. What do you d
April 5, 2007 - 09:17 ET byI walk to work. I reuse items without feeling the necessity to throw them away. I turn off the car, if it will be in idle for more than half a minute. What do you do?
A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons
. . . . and exactly how far
April 5, 2007 - 09:24 ET by Gat New York. . . . and exactly how far is your walk to work?
there's a lot more than "walking to work", Monty
April 5, 2007 - 09:29 ET by RJYou "walk to work?" Whoopee. That's it? And that's taking aggressive steps to reduce your carbon footprint? How far do you walk to work, Monty? Was this a change done specifically in response to your concern over GW? Do you consistently park your car part way to your destination and walk the rest of the way? Have you moved into a smaller house? Have you eliminated the use of paper towels? Have you changed all your light bulbs? Do you use toilet paper made from recycled paper?
There's a lot more than "walking to work", Monty.
P.S. For many years, I've been doing all the things you mention in your edited post....and much more. I do it, not because I believe the idiocy of Al Gore and you Global Warmists, but because it's both practical and what I think is the right thing to do.
Acthually, the real shame i
April 5, 2007 - 09:06 ET by Dave RActually, the real shame is you Marxist/Leninist inspired environmentalist types using your "concern" for the environment to mask your real intentions, which are to essentially dismantle the free-enterprise system in this country and bring us all into some freedomless nanny-state socialistic existence.
Ever noticed that the overwhelming majority of those pushing this GW and environmental fear-mongering nonsense are socialists? We certainly have, which is why most of us do not trust you and your ilk.
Tell you what, if you guys would first go out into the world and clean up the places that were environmentally ravaged by those who practiced your favorite form of government over much of the last century-the former Soviet Union, China, North Korea, etc., maybe we'll talk, but not before.
Sure, there are environmental concerns in this country, many of which were created by the stupidity and short-sightedness of government. Remember the government's bright idea of putting MTBE's into gasoline? Well, it turns out that, unlike petroleum products, MTBE's are heavier than water and when leaked, head straight for the drinking water located far below ground. There are some other problems as well, most of which will be dealt with by the private sector, not the government. Compared to the countries listed above, this country is positively pristine.
This republic will not survive the continued neglect of its people.- Neal Boortz.
Why do you insist that the ke
April 5, 2007 - 10:11 ET by UnsaneWhy do you insist that the key to saving the environment (and assuaging your guilt) is punishing me and stealing from me, and then denying me freewill?
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
I have a few minute walk ..
April 5, 2007 - 09:32 ET byI have a few minute walk .. if there were a convenient train or bus I would often take it rather than depend on an automobile.
Most Americans are obese. Europeans and other nations actually enjoy walking. There are pedestrian zones where autos are banned. In towns of Holland, most people ride bikes and cars park themselves in the outskirts of town.
They come to work with a smile on their face.
How much exercise do the obese residents of this site do? I laugh at your hypocrisy!
A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons
that's it, MontyLyon?
April 5, 2007 - 09:49 ET by RJYou "walk to work?" Whoopee. That's it? And that's taking aggressive steps to reduce your carbon footprint? Was this a change done specifically in response to your concern over GW? Do you consistently park your car part way to your destination and walk the rest of the way? Have you moved into a smaller house? Have you eliminated the use of paper towels? Have you changed all your light bulbs? Do you use toilet paper made from recycled paper?
For someone who posts about GW with your attitude of superiority, Monty, there's a lot more than "walking to work". Looks to me that YOU'RE the hypocrit, because if you believe what you spout, then you are REQUIRED to make drastic changes, even if we don't. Isn't that the message of Kyoto regarding the U.S. and China?
And, congratulations on your paranormal powers that allow you to look through the computers of posters and see that we're obese. Childish, Monty, childish. ;^>
P.S. For many years, I've been doing all the things you mention in your edited post....and much more. I do it, not because I believe the idiocy of Al Gore and you Global Warmists, but because it's both practical and what I think is the right thing to do.
RJ, what you have you done to
April 5, 2007 - 10:14 ET byRJ, what you have you done to reduce emissions or pollution?? What was the last bit of exercise that you had that helped save the earth from one more litter bit of your pollution?
A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons
I advocate the conversion to
April 5, 2007 - 10:20 ET by UnsaneI advocate the conversion to nuclear power. Why shouldn't the United States get at least two-thirds of its electricity from nukes?
And still I hear zero whining from MT Lyons about Chinese pollution. I guess Chinese pollution is better for the environment...
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
Here's the REAL question, Monty
April 5, 2007 - 10:23 ET by RJI told you, Monty. I do everything you said and much, much more. But the real question is why have you, a committed Global Warmist, done so little? If you've really accepted your responsibility, then why are you shirking your duty? Not doing so would make YOU the hypocrit.
P.S. You keep ducking the questions in my posts. If you are as committed as you say, those questions should be easy to answer. Please respond to them.
What have I not done? What
April 5, 2007 - 10:32 ET byWhat have I not done? What have you done? I suppose that you, like Unsane are proud of polluting while taking your bike everywhere in a gas guzzling truck?
I did not vote for a president that took us back 50 years in our fight to save the earth. I wish to live in a clean earth. Is that so bad?
This site loves to throw "Hypocrisy" around ...Its ok to rationalize polluting the earth when you have hot air machines all over the airwaves giving you your little tidbits of rationale to have your gluttonous life style.
A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons
and by the way:I do agree about Nixon. He actually was the last decent Republican president in regards to helping the environment!
Do some reading why dontcha
April 5, 2007 - 10:44 ET by MightyMouthDo some reading why dontcha.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
RJ wont even mention what he
April 5, 2007 - 10:54 ET byRJ wont even mention what he has done to help the environment. Sad how this site wants to remain ignorant in regards to science. They cannot answer the questions in regard to what they do to save the environment. It is the typical logic that most of the rush clones that keep the corporations happy use,on the right wing controlled media.
A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons
You're still a phony, Monty
April 5, 2007 - 11:01 ET by RJYou're still a phony, Montana.
Just Kyoto demands that the U.S. show China the right way to save the planet, as a supposedly superior and committed Global Warmist, you have a responsibility to show us poor, backward ninnys the "true path" to environmentalism. We need your leadeship, Monty! Show us the way by providing examples of your own behavior!
How does this site define ph
April 5, 2007 - 11:10 ET byHow does this site define phony?? Since I was a child I did not like what we have been doing to this earth.
I guess according to this site, pollution is a great thing! sad
RJ won't say what his behavior is that will help this earth because then he will be buying into "environmentalism"
a bad word since Rush gave a voice to the hogs of greed.
A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons
"dose my dodge of facts?"
the fact is we are polluting this earth, species are being wiped out, bees are dying out, but according to the new twisted version of facts spouted by the right wing media and religious (?) scientists none of this is caused by humans! sad
A question for Montana
April 5, 2007 - 11:23 ET by tumbler_2007We know you're a defender of the earth, Montana. Mot I arsk what you think about aborting a million unborn babies a year --right here in the Land of the Free?
I hope to hear you denounce that evil, as you denounce pollution. Maybe you will.
You're all talk and no action, Monty
April 5, 2007 - 11:25 ET by RJIt's not "this site", that says you'r a phony, you twit, it's ME. I say you're a phony...and you're pretty stupid, too.
Let's try again: YOU are a committed and "superior" Global Warmist. YOU believe in what the Reverend Al Gore preaches. Therefore, YOU have a responsibility to lead the way. YOU have the responsibility to take aggressive steps to reduce your own carbon footprint. But you obviously haven't done that.
All you do is bitch and moan about others....all talk and no action. YOU'RE A TYPICAL, PHONY LIBERAL, MONTY.
Well, if someone that gets br
April 5, 2007 - 11:35 ET byWell, if someone that gets brainwashed by hot air phonies on the air (they are sprouting up like weeds by desperate corporations) calls me a phony and wont answer the question about what he will do to save the earth, then I take it as a compliment. Thank you.
I do plenty of things including voicing my opinion in regards to the wasteful ways of americans. You of course will avoid the questions. Its easier to ask questions than defend your gluttonous ways.
A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons
"plenty of things"??? hahaha You're pathetic, Monty.
April 5, 2007 - 11:53 ET by RJYou do "plenty of things"??? hahaha. You're pathetic, Monty.
Your obligation as a committed and "superior" Global Warmist is to lead the way. Why do you refuse to tell us how you're doing that?
Again, congratulations on your paranormal ability to see my life-style through your computer.
He already admitted he owns a car and drives
April 5, 2007 - 13:27 ET by SportPoliticsHe already admitted he owns a car and drives, so he's a complete failure.
No real environmentalist owns a car.
RJ, Living the life of a l
April 5, 2007 - 11:40 ET by Dave RRJ,
Living the life of a lib must be total, utter bliss. I mean, you can go through life and completely ignore reality. If a problem arises, it is always someone else's fault. You can proclaim your compassion to the world yet force others to pay for said compassion. Plus, all these "solutions" to the world's problems they keep coming up with are always someone else's responsibility, never their own.
Must be wonderful being a lib.
Liberalism: Whatever can be done to waste someone else's time and money.
This republic will not survive the continued neglect of its people.- Neal Boortz.
I'm Chinese by descent. We
April 5, 2007 - 15:06 ET by dahliatraversI'm Chinese by descent. We're exempt from saving the environment.
dahlia...Of course you are!LM
April 5, 2007 - 15:12 ET by bigtimerdahlia...
Of course you are!
LMAO!
Thanks for more laughter this beautiful GWing day!
As an "environmentalist", you're a phony, Monty
April 5, 2007 - 10:49 ET by RJAs an "environmentalist", you're a phony, Montana.
You've been repeated asked specific questions about what you, a supposedly superior and committed Global Warmist, have done....but all you can respond with are vague generalities.
It's obvious that you're all talk when it comes to the environment....typical liberal.
Dose your dodge of the fact
April 5, 2007 - 11:11 ET by MightyMouthDoes your dodge of the facts, mean you wish to withdraw your criticism of the presidents support for enviromental issues?
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Meh
April 5, 2007 - 12:11 ET by Mr. BishopTo begin with, why are you asking someone who doesn't agree with the Global Warming myth, what they are doing to save the environment? We don't agree with the myth, so what do we have to do? You, on the other hand, insist Global Warming is real, and that is it he bane of our human existance. Basically... if you're the one insisting that it's real, then it's up to you to modify your existance, to suit the changes that you say are necessary.
A good comparisson, would be that of comparing a person who is claustrophobic, to someone who is not. The claustrophobic has a fear of being in enclosed places, so rarely will get into an elevator that is packed. The second person, who is not claustrophobic could care less if the elevator is packed, and will get on it anyhow. Now, according to your logic, the person who is not claustrophobic MUST change his living style and conditions and mannerisms to accommodate the claustrophobic. Not only must the non comform to the actual, in terms of his own conditions, but that we should build thousands more elevators in one building to accommodate that one actual.
In other words, your logic is flawed, and as such, it is up to you to tell everyone what your holier-than-thou-Global-Warmin-hysteria self is doing to curb the problem that you see before you.
"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" - Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"
Regardless of your closeminde
April 5, 2007 - 12:29 ET byRegardless of your closeminded feeling towards science, the earth is more polluted, species have been wiped out and this has been caused by us humans.
I want to help stop this rampant rape of this world, I am sorry that we will continue ruining the world with the rationalizing of this behavior that is exemplified on this site!
regardless of your views, we breath the same air and drink the same water!
A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons
What species have been wiped
April 5, 2007 - 12:35 ET by florida_chadWhat species have been wiped out? Can you prove it was humans and not evolution that caused them to be wiped out? The science on GW is far from resolved. There is much proof the warming is not caused by humans but by the sun. Regardless of your extreme views, I will continue to fly my plane, drive my SUV and use whatever energy I deem necessary, just like Edwards, Gore, Leo, Travolta and all the other lefties......
If you want to live in a cave, go ahead. That just leave more electricity for me.
Montana...I suggest you lead
April 5, 2007 - 12:37 ET by Clear thinkerMontana...
I suggest you lead by example. The first thing you should do if you truly mean what you say... get rid of your computer. Do you have any idea how much pollution you create by having one of these things?
The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.
Monty, you boggle my mind
April 5, 2007 - 12:39 ET by RJMonty, you post nothing but lazy non sequitur generalities. It boggles my mind that someone as stupid as you has a vote that is the same value as people who can actually think.
And that, ladies and gentlemen is proof that our Representative Democracy is superior to the power of mob rule that fools like Montana Lyons would have in a pure Democracy.
"Regardless of your clos
April 5, 2007 - 12:51 ET by Mean Gene Dr. Love"Regardless of your closeminded feeling towards science"
Maybe ignorance is better to describe your understanding of science. We don't breathe the same air and drink the same water. First of all there is a pretty great distance between you and me. Secondly when you exhale, you exhale CO2 which is then absorbed by vegetation and algae which is then converted into O2 which is then released into the air. Water that has passed through your system then goes into a septic or sewer system to various treatment plants and then is released into the ground water which is later used in the public water system that is again run through various treaments to make it drinkable. So the chances of us drinking the same water and breathing the same air are slim to none...unless I move next door to you.
The earth has a tremendous capacity for natural cleansing and purification of the air and water...environmentalists seem to not understand that fact. There are things we could be doing better than we are now to preserve the environment.
I haven't seen anyone on this site seriously rationalizing any type of "rape of the world". You'll find that many of us favor conservationalist methods rather than the knee-jerk-we-have-to-save-the-planet-from-imminant-mandmade-destruction methods of the Global Warming crowd.
BTW, an Eskimo sneezing in Alaska doesn't make a hurricane form in the tropics.
"There is a time to take counsel of your fears, and there is a time to never listen to any fear." --General George S. Patton, Jr.
Montana I have an even better
April 5, 2007 - 10:34 ET by Gat New YorkMontana I have an even better idea than just walking - let's all sell our houses and go back to living in caves that way we can use geothermal energy rather than polluting fossil fuel based energy. Also lets' get rid of our clothes since the manufacturing of them also causes pollution. If you want to start slandering people who have not and do not do anything to help the environment why don't you start with your out-of-shape fat-boy ex-President you did nothing - zero - zilch - in his eight lackluster years to accelerate the development of any alternative energy. This President is the first to do that and it took a conservative Republican (C. Boyden Gray) to accelerate the development of biofuel.And it was a Republican President who initiated the EPA (Nixon). Your guys haven't done a blessed thing except spout a lot of hot air - and that is exactly where you can save a lot of excess Carbon Dioxide.
If you that the rotting EU is
April 5, 2007 - 10:16 ET by UnsaneIf you that the rotting EU is so damn superior, please move there. (Correction: the Europeans that HAVE JOBS go to work with smiles on their faces, even as their governments steal from them the entire time to subsidize the perpetually jobless...)
And your arrogance is extreme, to say the least. I can easily smoke you in a run. Oh, and I don't walk to work. I drive, of my own freewill, my Dodge Ram all over the place. In fact, I need to drive it to the bicycle shop to grab my bike (irony of ironies).
All that being said, I am sure that we will ALL be sleeping much better at night knowing you walk to work every day.
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
"Most Americans are obes
April 5, 2007 - 11:31 ET by Mean Gene Dr. Love"Most Americans are obese."
That is untrue. There is a difference in being overweight and being obese. Most Americans are not obese. I think it would be safer to say that most Americans are overweight however.
Walking in "European and other nations" is facilitated by small towns that tend to develop concentrically around the town center. In America as you should know, cities and towns are "zoned" with commercial areas, residential areas, industrial areas, etc. I lived in Germany for over 3 years and never once saw anything that even remotely resembled an American suburb. I would walk to work if it was practical, but a 13 mile (one way) walk isn't a good idea. I bike sometimes, but that becomes difficult with inclement weather, high winds, scorching summers, and winter weather. Anyway, very few people in the U.S. actually live within a reasonable walking distance of their job or a grocery store or other frequently travelled destinations largely because of zoning laws and how Americans tend to live in suburban neighborhoods (or on acreage that is barely walking distance to the nearest neighbor). Another reason other countries walk more is because they don't own a car. Owning an automobile in the U.S. is a necessity for almost everyone that has one. In other countries it is not a necessity in most cases.
It is true that Americans can gain a lot from walking more and other exercise but, you have no sense of proportion or reality. I drive my car because I have to, not because I'd rather not walk.
"There is a time to take counsel of your fears, and there is a time to never listen to any fear." --General George S. Patton, Jr.
Dr. , I also visited Germany
April 5, 2007 - 11:43 ET byDr. , I also visited Germany and realized how much better planned out the towns were there and in other places. It is a shame that we cannot become more pedestrian friendly. There would be far less drunk driving accidents!
Unfortunately, in order to survive in this country we are slaves to vehicles!
I have a sense of reality just as it appears that you have , having travelled out of this country.
A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons
First of all, a sense of real
April 5, 2007 - 11:53 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveFirst of all, a sense of reality is not gained from merely travelling outside the U.S.. Secondly, the towns in Europe and Asia (especially towns/cities older than 10 years old...which is pretty much all of them) were not "planned" they just grew...that's just the way they do things.
If you no longer want to be a "slave to vehicles" why don't you move to Europe? --What's that?-- You like your freedom, low taxes, conveniences, better medical care, and low prices on everything?
Put up or shut up. There is no sense in whining about the evils of the U.S. environmental policies if you aren't willing to make the ultimate sacrifice and statement by leaving to live in a country that suits your ecological standards.
"There is a time to take counsel of your fears, and there is a time to never listen to any fear." --General George S. Patton, Jr.
A great thing about democracy
April 5, 2007 - 12:03 ET byA great thing about democracy is that we can change things.We as a people might figure out that Henry Ford and others wanted us to be dependent on vehicles.
sad that most on this site want Georg to continue on with his right wing monarchy. Typical right wing rant:
"you can love it or leave it. "
You were doing well up to that typical closeminded remark, dr.(?)
A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons
and at least drunks have decent mass transportation !
I'm sorry you don't understan
April 5, 2007 - 12:18 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveI'm sorry you don't understand the complexities of zoning laws and the American way of life. I'm sorry that you think that Henry Ford made America dependent on "vehicles" (mankind has been dependent on vehicles of one form or another since the advent of the wheel--or even when Joe Caveman yoked a skid/sled to a beast of burden). I'm sorry that you think that George Bush is a monarch.
Facts are facts. You are not going to change zoning practices or the fact that Amercians like to live in suburban neighborhoods. So your best bet is to move to a different country that suits your desires than to stay here and whine about it and claim that we are all victims of Henry Ford, George Bush, or the American way of life.
You're right the great thing about democracy is that we can change things...however, you need votes to do that, so until you get the votes you need to initiate change you're stuck with what we've got, and since you don't have the votes for change it would appear that the majority of voters are happy with American life.
I can't believe you extolled the virtues of democracy and then turned around and said Bush has turned our country into a monarchy in the same post. I can handle being labled close-minded because being open-minded is another way of admitting you're too lazy (or too afraid) to critically think and form a concrete opinion.
"There is a time to take counsel of your fears, and there is a time to never listen to any fear." --General George S. Patton, Jr.
Monarchy?? This is the proble
April 5, 2007 - 12:23 ET by florida_chadMonarchy?? This is the problem with idiots like you. Bush is the president. Not a monarch. IF he is a monarch, why did he let the dems win the last election? IDIOT!
Montana - I actually feel sor
April 5, 2007 - 12:44 ET by Gat New YorkMontana - I actually feel sorry for you because I think you are well meaning and believe in what you are saying. The problem is that you are taking to word of a few who have a political agenda and are exploiting you people to accomplish their goals. These people have carefully selected events and trends that suit their aims and ignore the rest. As this goes on more and more in the legitimate science community will be countering all the false claims with facts and scientific history which has been completely ignored by Gore and his people.
April 5, 2007 - 12:44 ET by Gat New York
Dont feel sorry for me. Feel
April 5, 2007 - 12:55 ET byDont feel sorry for me. Feel sorry for your children and grandchildren!
This site rationalizes pollution. Its good for business!
The white house has done everything but outlaw scientific facts.
A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons
You better have more than irr
April 5, 2007 - 13:13 ET by Gat New YorkYou better have more than irrational rantings and you better have facts when you make charges like that. Fact is buddy that your hero Gore (and Bubba) did nothing - zero - zilch in 8 friggin years when it comes to developing alternative renewable energy sources. That is a fact. The other fact is that this Administration have done more than all prior administrations ove rhte last 30 years to rapidly develop those sources and their technology. But your lying weasel party and their personal in-house organ (the mainstream media) intentionally bury that fact. Look at how much ethanol is being used today compared to 6 years ago. Who has made the use of biofuels a reality? Who has legislated a major rebate for the purchase of hybrid autos? It wasn't your hero Gore or Clinton. All they did was use the policies of the prior administration and added nothing of substance. Those are facts Montana. Now try challenging them without the '60s counterculture baloney.
"WASHINGTON - The Democr
April 5, 2007 - 13:32 ET by"WASHINGTON - The Democratic-controlled Congress on Tuesday stepped up its pressure on President Bush’s global warming strategy, hearing allegations of new political pressure on government scientists to downplay the threat of global warming."
hmmm, great for the environment?? in bizarro land??
"The scientists also reported 435 instances of political interference in their work over the past five years"
Why are Bushistas in the administration and on this site so afraid of facts? I could make a joke but dare not!
A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons
Look Montana you have present
April 5, 2007 - 17:02 ET by Gat New YorkLook Montana you have presented no facts, alot of left wing looney talking points and just can't deal with the facts. I would suggest you go to Daily Kos where they never let a litle thing called facts get in the way of good fiction.
I have never gone to the Koz.
April 5, 2007 - 22:16 ET byI have never gone to the Koz.
Facts are left wing bias according to this site. Facts intimidate this site like they do the president.
Rush has done an excellent job of indoctrinating you.
A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons
Idiot post of the day. Montan
April 5, 2007 - 22:18 ET by BlondeIdiot post of the day. Montana.
I will take that as a complim
April 6, 2007 - 09:18 ET byI will take that as a compliment from someone who has yet to give an unhateful educated response to anyone left of bush!
A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons
Reading is obviously not your
April 6, 2007 - 10:42 ET by Gat New YorkReading is obviously not your strength. We have provided you with facts and all you provide is string of nonsence with absolutely no facts other than tree-hugging rants. I would suggest you do just a bit of objective research.
If you have travelled to ger
April 5, 2007 - 11:57 ET by NL207If you have travelled to germany, then you might have also noticed that it is not actually a free country. For example: There are numerous books and political parties which are simply banned. There are also various symbols which are illegal to display even in private.
The above does not constitute freedom in my mind.
Monty would love Germany's thought control. They've banned home
April 5, 2007 - 12:05 ET by RJNot only that, NL, but Germany has banned home schooling. With all the government thought control, Monty would probably feel right at home.
Germany is also fatter than the USA
April 5, 2007 - 13:39 ET by SportPoliticsGermany is also fatter than the USA, the WHO announced it a few years back.
Montana liar must have missed his new world order health study.
Montana...I dont know how lon
April 5, 2007 - 11:59 ET by bassndudeMontana...I dont know how long you were in Germany, or where at you visited, but the towns and villages there are scattered through out that country every one and a half or three kilometers. Been that way for centuries. Long before planning was involved. Many of the towns have been where they are now for five hundred years or more. Some have been in the same place sence Roman rule. You must have a very poor sense of planning. The cobblestone roads there are hundreds of years old. Drunk drivers? When I was there, they dident care if you were drunk or not. They all would drink and drive. If you were to drunk to drive, the cops would take you home after they stoped you. Drunk driving indeed.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Mt lyin'You live in Mt. so yo
April 5, 2007 - 12:06 ET by bigtimerMt lyin'
You live in Mt. so you say...of course you are a slave to a vehicle...
Hasn't anyone told you this is Big Sky Country yet?
Geesh...you can move... say... to the east coast...do us here a favor.
By the way your tagline is really humorous considering McClatchey newspapers with Thoma I think his name is was leading the charge for that phony farmer Tester....you have a very free biased press...all over the country.
Snap out of it!
bt,Geesh...you can move...
April 5, 2007 - 12:50 ET by Dave Rbt,
Geesh...you can move... say... to the east coast...
NNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! :-O
Hey, we've got The Masters going on over in Augusta right now. Please don't send him over this way. Send him....Send him to.........wait! I know, send him to Canada. Yeah, Canada! I mean, I know its really just a country full of boring white people and all, but at least he won't stink up the greatest golf tournament on the planet!
This republic will not survive the continued neglect of its people.- Neal Boortz.
Dave R...Great idea and bette
April 5, 2007 - 13:11 ET by bigtimerDave R...
Great idea and better yet...should of thought of that myself!
Save him some money too!
Lets pass the hat...
LMAO!
bt, He can come over this
April 5, 2007 - 13:24 ET by Dave Rbt,
He can come over this way next week.
Yeah, my concentration is a little off today, as I have been keeping one eye on this since around 9:00am.
This is definitely my favorite week of the year.
This republic will not survive the continued neglect of its people.- Neal Boortz.
I think Montana Lyons needs to move to a tiny town
April 5, 2007 - 14:01 ET by SportPoliticsI think Montana Lyons needs to move to a tiny town,on the edge of a woods. He should have a very small 1 story, one room wooden structure to live in. He should plant and tend his own no pesticide garden, and walk to the local market and anywhere else he ever goes, never in a gas powered vehicle.
He sould make sure he buys less than the bare minimum, until he makes no more than one paper bag of trash every 6 months. No TV dinners or food with wasteful packaging.
Single ply recycled toilet paper only. Two sqaures per wipe maximum, with the 2 cup flusher toilet, no flushing for urine only, save that until full or #2.
Only one shower per week, for 3 minutes, with superwater saver shower. He can sponge down if need be with an 8oz. cup of water in between, and brush with the remainder.
No watering the lawn, no TV, and no movies that waste lots of electricity,no computer. Sleep at night, up at the crack of dawn, to save energy. No plane flights or bus trips - that encourages a large carbon foot print.
He should get permission to pick berries and twigs and moss and other wild growth to consume from the owner of the woods behind him. He should not use a plastic bag, but carry the fruit and veggies in a cotton cloth from the local market. No tin can items or pop cans, or plastic water bottles made from oil.
When he reseals his one room wood "home" - he should use naturel tree sap or some other non-processed sealer. He also needs to stop all junk mail by never signing up or calling for that junk crap purchase, or opting out once and for all. No ink printing with computer printers, there are deadly chemicals in the ink.
He should catch rainwater, and filter it through t-shirts for his sponge cleansing and drinking.
He may ride a bicycle since that is efficient travel, and will save energy not only by not burning earth fuels, but by keeping his caloric intake requirements lower. Short trips only, no sight seeing, or you're burning extra calories that make larger food production a requirement and burden on the earth's ecosystem, as well as wearing down polluting rubber tires and spreading carbon around.
His main cooking should be done with a reflective convex half circle sun cooker. He can heat grass tea with a magnifying glass.
When Montana mans up, I'll listen to his garbage without calling him a lying skumbucket carbon black lib moron.
Europeans and other nations a
April 5, 2007 - 13:25 ET by Jack BauerEuropeans and other nations actually enjoy walking.
No they don't if by that you mean to imply they are less wedded to the internal combustion engine. That's just another of your usual mendacity, opinion masquerading as fact, and unfortunate delusions.
I see the year away for treatment hasn't actually worked.
Some actual annual automobile related figures
A lib***l is a deluded person who thinks that what he believes is true simply because he wants it to be true. Therefore reality must be shifted left to fit his odd perceptions.
and the population of Europe
April 5, 2007 - 14:02 ET byand the population of Europe to North America??
a deluded person watches Fox, so he can find the facts to suit his fanatical ideals....
Good essay, sport! You would actually be helping this world if you did that but where would be the GNP?
Still a frackin’ contortion
April 5, 2007 - 14:56 ET by Jack BauerStill a frackin’ contortionist I see ‘sport.’
Any other more made up "facts" to accompany your patent lie that "Europeans" prefer walking to car driving.
Where do you get this shit. Is there a loony left handbook available that lists this stuff?
If you are going to make up "facts" (which you are) try a little harder at achieving verisimilitude, sport.
Obese residents of this site?
April 5, 2007 - 16:36 ET by BDObese residents of this site?
I still pass my PT test young woman. I do PT three Plus times a week and imagine I run further than you walk in your entire day.
THen, somedays I join students on roadmarches.
Good enough for you?
Jughandles, NJ, and Time
April 5, 2007 - 10:24 ET by UnsaneMaybe the staff at Time are really just disgruntled residents of NJ who want to foist those stupid "jughandles" on the rest of the United States.
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)