In an April 4 blog post to "Couric & Co.," the University of Virginia alumna (Class of 1979) worries that kids these days don't know their way around the library, and hence will be up a creek when they drift into the college library cramming for term papers:
Many kids skip the library altogether and head for the store. Sales of juvenile books rose 60 percent from 2002 to 2005. It's an encouraging sign that kids value reading, but many tech-savvy kids never experience the joy of using the library's shelves as a place to discover new worlds. And students are arriving in college unable to navigate libraries with a Dewey decimal system many have never used.
Of course, kids love books, they just need authors that know how to capture their attention. Katie knows this well, having plugged the heck out of Harry Potter novels repeatedly over the years. But it's the last line in the above excerpt that caught my eye about students being unfamiliar with "a Dewey decimal system many have never used."
Aside from being a bit alarmist, does Katie realize most colleges and universities use the Library of Congress Classification, not Dewey decimal, and yes, that includes Katie's alma mater.
Makes me wonder if Katie spent much time roaming the stacks of Alderman in her days in Charlottesville.















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I look at Couric's statement
April 4, 2007 - 16:10 ET by GalvanicI look at Couric's statement from another angle.
Libraries are warehouses of information, mainly in printed text, but also other media. The concept is one of concentrating vast amounts of information at an accessible location for optimum public use. However, the information stored at libraries is limited by space, budgets, etc.
Today's computer-literate youth are much more adept at finding information on the web. The more information made available via the web, the more accessible information becomes. No longer will students be limited by matters of proximity, business hours, or the inventories of libraries; information will be available at the drop of a hat from anywhere in the world.
So, the skills that most students ought to master today are not how to find a book in the Dewey decimal and Library of Congress Classification systems, but how to surf the net and evaluate the information they find. They'll be able to visit libraries as museums.
I tend to agree, but I think
April 4, 2007 - 16:26 ET by BradzillaI tend to agree, but I think it's a shame. Libraries are rather special I think, what with real books and all.
I hate to say it, but I think Ken is being a bit unfair and nitpicky to Ms Couric. I have an undergrad and graduate degree, but I never considered what classification system the libraries were using; I believed I always just assumed that it was the DDS. I think that makes me unqualified to work in a library, but beyond that I wouldn't worry about it. Perhaps a journalist is more accountable to know this, I really couldn't say.
So, the skills that most stud
April 4, 2007 - 16:49 ET by taznarThis is especially true considering the rate at which scholarly journals are going (or have gone) digital. Many universities are opting for electronic instead of paper subscriptions. This not only saves the library money and space, it makes it easier to access since students and professors can access articles online and download pdf files instead of packing off to the library with a pocket full of change or copy card.
I should also note there are groups dedicated to making out-of-copyright works available in digital form.
When I was at Maryland I th
April 4, 2007 - 19:20 ET by Ken ShepherdWhen I was at Maryland I think one or two professors demanded we use at least one or two books as sources in papers. You know, to force us to visit the library and look through it for research, not just online sources.
That was in the late 90s, early 2000's, and even then I found most of all I needed online. I imagine today the notion of finding stuff in a book for a term paper is antiquated, as well it should be, depending on the major, etc.
I mean, if it's available online and you can cite the source, you just lift the material you need to quote, copy and paste (making sure you make the proper attributions), and it cuts down on your copying costs, your travel costs, and the aggravation of not finding a book in the stacks.
I think this is just a case o
April 4, 2007 - 16:19 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveI think this is just a case of ignorance. I'm sure you can go to any college anywhere and poll students and find that the majority don't know what the LCC is but, almost all of them will be able to tell you what the Dewey Decimal System is...although they wouldn't be able to explain the details of it.
I think because people are taught in grade school about the DDS, they just assume it is used by all libraries even though it is completely different from the LCC.
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Me thinks Katie roamed allrig
April 4, 2007 - 16:28 ET by bigtimerMe thinks Katie roamed allright...right on past the stacks of info.
I don't think Katie hit the
April 4, 2007 - 16:39 ET by Dave RI don't think Katie hit the books so much as the books hit her. Squarely upside the head.
This republic will not survive the continued neglect of its people.- Neal Boortz.
Of Course I have an opinion o
April 4, 2007 - 18:45 ET by LibraryLadyOf Course I have an opinion on this!!
Libraries have had to change tremendously in the last decade. Professional search engines and online Journals open up a huge amount of information to students. Librarians help the patrons to locate the materials they need.
Yes, most are more familiar with DDS and the average person can't find anything in LoC. The University where I worked converted about ten years ago - a huge undertaking. Possibly UofV was using DDS when Katie was a student.
Thanks, LibraryLady. I work
April 4, 2007 - 19:16 ET by Ken ShepherdThanks, LibraryLady. I worked for a few weeks in the stacks of McKeldin at U of Maryland when I was a student and I thought it was amazing that people had that difficult a time finding stuff in the stacks. I mean, LCC is alphanumeric, after all.
I think what annoyed me most about the post was just the typical faux-worried tone that the media often take. It's the whole "the kids aren't alright" meme. It isn't explicitly political, but it lends to sensationalism.
Yes, it'd be nice if kids were hunting through the stacks to find a good, now out-of-print translation of Dante's Divine Comedy or whatever, but it seems to me that kids these days are remarkably adaptive to the changing demands of a changing global economy.
And that's a page from my notebook.
Introduce kids to the library early
April 4, 2007 - 19:24 ET by nkviking75My six year old nephew loves to go to the story hour at his local library. The librarians know he's crazy for Thomas The Tank Engine, so they usually have a book or two picked out for him. By now I think he's probably read every train-related age appropriate book in the place. I can't help but think this will help my nephew develop an appreciation for the library.
Couric has two themes, as doe
April 4, 2007 - 20:05 ET by jdhawkCouric has two themes, as does much of the drive-by media: 1. the Republicans are f**ked up and this is why with the obverse being the dim bulbs are great but we can't tell you why because you would probably puke and 2. this sh*t is going to f**k you up, your kids, someone you know, or everybody on the planet and this is why.
The above Couric "news" article falls in the later category. First of all, this is the most ill researched goofy article I've heard of for sometime. I ran it by my youngest son who is a senior in college. He goes to the library, but not for the reasons that Couric thinks everyone should. He goes there because it is quite and he can concentrate on his studies without interruption. The last reason that he goes there is to do research. Why? Because virtually everything that he needs is on line.
In fact, modern libraries today, if one was to venture beyond the "Employees Only" signs, would find from rather small to a vast arrays of servers, storage, switches and routers whirling away with a "propeller head" hovering over them to ensure that they don't hickup.
Take for example the subject of Dante's Inferno that one of above posters mentioned. A quick google search came up with 2,000,000 entries! That's 2 million entries! One link takes you to web site that offers three different translations of the original text; another offers you the original Italian. Another, will read you the text of the poem. Just want read to you a certain verse? Great, search to that verse and adjust your computer's audio system to suite your pleasure and fire it up. Still another is a personal web site devoted to the subject. It goes on and on.
I live in a small North Carolina town (I know that is an oxymoron). Here is the reference page of the on line version of its library: http://www.sppl.net/Library/OnlineReferenceResources.aspx. Note, the plethora of information that is available to me in a podunk town of several thousands souls.
Couric's "news" story is the crap that is "produced" by people making millions of dollars to bring you the "best" news you can use. You just have to laugh at their slip shod efforts. What a bunch of losers. No, wait, turn up the TV. It's that commercial about how I can get that Hover 'Round for FREE!!!
Good response. The story was,
April 4, 2007 - 22:08 ET by Tony SGood response. The story was, in fact, alarmist crap. I spend eternity in my campus library and never figured out the Dewey Decimal System because I knew where everything was! Kids can suss out things like this much quicker than adults.
Also, why was this story not framed in terms of women? They make up the majority of college students now -- you figure Couric would have found a feminist way to present this!
Because it is not a conservat
April 4, 2007 - 22:16 ET by bigtimerBecause it is not a conservative woman Tony S.
Simple as that...otherwise I'm sure they may have.
Leftist looney women give us real conservative women a bad name...through the leftist media that is.
Conservative women groups far out number groups of leftist women like NOW..have for a very long time...you are just not going to hear about it in the leftist msm....doesn't fit their agenda.
It's amazing what crying letches we have
April 5, 2007 - 00:58 ET by SportPoliticsIt's amazing what crying letches we have nowadays.
If would be college students cannot learn to navigate a library with the Dewey decimal system in about 3 minutes, if that much, of instruction, they should never be at the college door in the first place.
How pathetically low are expectations(or rather understandings) if these newsspeak morons have to imply that students will have a terrible time learning how to "navigate a library" ?
Do these turdbrained whiners ever consider that all those college students have been using computers for years and now even tiny local libraries have their DDS (or LOC)on a searchable computer database ?
How STUPID are the whining morons ? Google it you retards.
At least they aren't stupid enough to whine that " these kids can't type" and "have never seen a keyboard".
Instead of course, they whine they can't read. Well, guess what. If you can't read get your ganker off the college campus.
Back in the 60's Before today
April 5, 2007 - 09:01 ET by danboBack in the 60's Before todays wonders of cyber land. I was getting squared away to finalize my undergraduate degree. They realized I'd never taken this dinky one hour course on using the library. Of course my response. "If I haven't figured out how to use it by now?"
So there I sat. A graduating senior with all those freshmen. They taught me the Library of Congress system. Already being used way back then. Like I hadn't figured it out already. Took me as long as it took to go through the card catalogue, and to look at the map of the stacks..
I wanted to talk about the abstracts, the chart room, use of the microfilm room, government documents, and the rare books room that I often used and needed. Each with unique characteristics. Things I needed.
They wanted me to use the Readers guide to periodic literture.
Another example of someone deciding what you need and forcing you into the mold.
Pure BS
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Education
April 5, 2007 - 11:39 ET by iveseenitallThe educational system today is more of a mess than Americans want to believe. Library usage is just a small part of it. On so many levels it is a failed system. It seems, however, that solutions to its problems are nowhere in sight. We've ignored it too long. Just another difficulty about which Americans are purposefully looking the other way. Apathy is rampant about this important issue. Lip service is given to it everyday, but not too many people really care. Sad.
NEVER, NEVER trust a liberal
Yep, I agree.JMR
April 5, 2007 - 11:43 ET by sarcasmoYep, I agree.
JMR