Vanity Fair has just released its second annual “Green Issue.” This year, actor Leonardo DiCaprio was prominently placed on the cover -- captured by famed photographer Annie Leibovitz no less -- standing at the Jökulsárlón glacier lagoon in southeast Iceland perfectly looking the part as Hollywood's foremost concerned environmentalist.
In the featured piece, DiCaprio was labeled “The Man of the Hour,” and the following excerpt of his soon to be released documentary “The 11th Hour” was offered to the unsuspecting public (emphasis added throughout):
So, we find ourselves on the brink. It's clear humans have had a devastating impact on our planet's ecological web of life.
Wow. We’ve had a devastating impact on this planet? Devastating? Really? DiCaprio continued his sermon:
Because we've waited, because we've turned our backs on nature's warning signs, and because our political and corporate leaders have consistently ignored the overwhelming scientific evidence, the challenges we face are that much more difficult. We are in the environmental age whether we like it or not. So, what does the future look like? We know the United States, the greatest consumer and source of waste, needs to make a transition to a greener future, but will our pivotal generation create a sustainable world in time? What will guide this massive change? And does nature hold the answers we need to help restore our planet's resources, protect our atmosphere, and therefore help all life survive?
Vanity Fair then predictably quoted anthropogenic global warming believer after believer, not offering the opinion of one scientist currently on record with a contrary view. Here was one from environmentalist Paul Hawken:
The problem that confronts us is that every living system in the biosphere is in decline and the rate of decline is accelerating. There isn't one peer-reviewed scientific article that's been published in the last 20 years that contradicts that statement. Living systems are coral reefs. They're our climatic stability, forest cover, the oceans themselves, aquifers, water, the conditions of the soil, biodiversity. They go on and on as they get more specific. But the fact is, there isn't one living system that is stable or is improving. And those living systems provide the basis for all life
Not one, huh Paul?
Disgracefully, Vanity Fair offered not one scientific view to the contrary. Not one.
—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters.
Comments Policy
I don't suppose anyone would
April 4, 2007 - 10:44 ET by Prester JohnI don't suppose anyone would happen to know how many homes DiCaprio has and how big they are? No doubt he lives in a modest rambler in a middle class neighborhood, drives a Prius and wouldn't even consider traveling by private jet.
John,He also shared a ride on
April 4, 2007 - 10:51 ET by upcountrywaterJohn,
He also shared a ride on a tour bus to the Glacer, wouldn't even consider traveling by helicopter.
Ain't that (photo shopped) polar bear cute!
I'd like to see Leo stuck bet
April 4, 2007 - 12:59 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveI'd like to see Leo stuck between that polar bear cub and it's mother and then ask him if he still thinks nature is as fragile as he thinks it is.
"There is a time to take counsel of your fears, and there is a time to never listen to any fear." --General George S. Patton, Jr.
Doc:That photo is obviously e
April 4, 2007 - 14:19 ET by Dad GummitDoc:
That photo is obviously either staged or shopped. The cub is too healthy looking to be without a mother. If it had a mother, Leo would be hamburger meat if he got that close to it. Unless, of course, the hypocritical lefties shot the mother to stage the picture. You know how they are....ends justifying the means....
"Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."
Here is a video tour of his h
April 4, 2007 - 12:01 ET by dscottHere is a video tour of his house, interesting use of recycled material and bamboo. Here is a picture of his estate and it's entrance, I mean house no idea on the square footage but from the pictures it's big. The problem here is the size of the house, like Al Gore he has to use AC to maintain the temperature and humidity, air conditioning is proportional to square footage, therefore the larger the house the greater the electric use. So unless he gets off the electric grid, he can make all the claims about using recycled materials he wants, he is still consuming the planet and pumping large quantities of CO2 for his activities.
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius
dscott,video tour of some one
April 5, 2007 - 00:40 ET by upcountrywaterdscott,
video tour of some one elses home.. lots of use of NATURAL non toxic stuff blah blah.. Just remember that a SNAKE BITE IS NATURAL.
No Peer Review? I don't think so!
August 10, 2007 - 20:31 ET by PopularTechPeer-Review Papers Disputing Man-Made Global Warming Theory:
A Millennium Scale Sunspot Reconstruction: Evidence For an Unusually Active Sun Since the 1940's
(Physical Review Letters 91, 2003)
- Ilya G. Usoskin, Sami K. Solanki, Manfred Schüssler, Kalevi Mursula, Katja Alanko
A test of corrections for extraneous signals in gridded surface temperature data
(CR 26:159-173, 2004)
- Ross McKitrick1, Patrick J. Michaels
Altitude dependence of atmospheric temperature trends: Climate models versus observation
(Geophysical Research Letters, Vol. 31, L13208, 2004)
- David H. Douglass, Benjamin D. Pearson, S. Fred Singer
Atmospheric CO2 Concentrations over the Last Glacial Termination
(Science 5, Vol. 291. no. 5501, January 2001)
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Eric Monnin, Andreas Indermühle, André Dällenbach, Jacqueline
Flückiger, Bernhard Stauffer, Thomas F. Stocker, Dominique Raynaud,
Jean-Marc Barnola
Celestial driver of Phanerozoic climate
(GSA Volume 13, Issue 7, July 2003)
- Nir J. Shaviv, Ján Veizer
Cloud and radiation budget changes associated with tropical intraseasonal oscillations
(Geophysical Research Letters, Vol. 34, L15707, 2007)
- Roy W. Spencer, William D. Braswell, John R. Christy, Justin Hnilo
CO2-induced global warming: a skeptic’s view of potential climate change
(Climate Research, Vol. 10: 69–82, Apil 1998)
- Sherwood B. Idso
Conflicting Signals of Climatic Change in the Upper Indus Basin
(Journal of Climate, Volume 19, Issue 17, p. 4276–4293, September 2006)
- H. J. Fowler, D. R. Archer
Cosmic rays and Earth's climate
(Space Science Review 93: 155-166, 2000)
- Henrik Svensmark
Cosmic Rays, Clouds, and Climate
(Space Science Reviews, v. 94, Issue 1/2, p. 215-230, 2000)
- Nigel Marsh, Henrik Svensmark
Disparity of tropospheric and surface temperature trends: New evidence
(Geophysical Research Letters, VOL. 31, L13207, 2004)
- David H. Douglass, Benjamin D. Pearson, S. Fred Singer, Paul C. Knappenberger, Patrick J. Michaels
Differential trends in tropical sea surface and atmospheric temperatures since 1979
(Geophysical Research Letters, VOL. 28, NO. 1, PAGES 183–186, 2001)
- Christy, J.R., D.E. Parker, S.J. Brown, I. Macadam, M. Stendel, W.B. Norris
Documentation of uncertainties and biases associated with surface temperature measurement sites for climate change assessment.
(Amer. Meteor. Soc., 88:6, 913-928, 2007)
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Pielke Sr., R.A. J. Nielsen-Gammon, C. Davey, J. Angel, O. Bliss, N.
Doesken, M. Cai., S. Fall, D. Niyogi, K. Gallo, R. Hale, K.G. Hubbard,
X. Lin, H. Li, S. Raman
Does a Global Temperature Exist?
(Journal of Non-Equilibrium Thermodynamics, June 2006)
- Christopher Essex, Ross McKitrick, Bjarne Andresen
Estimation
and representation of long-term (>40 year) trends of
Northern-Hemisphere-gridded surface temperature: A note of caution
(Geophysical Research Letters, Vol. 31, L03209, 2004)
- Willie W.-H. Soon, David R. Legates, Sallie L. Baliunas
Empirical evidence for a nonlinear effect of galactic cosmic rays on clouds
(Royal Society of London Proceedings Series A, Vol. 462, Issue 2068, 2006)
- R. Giles Harrison, David B. Stephenson
Evidence for a physical linkage between galactic cosmic rays and regional climate time series
(Journal Advances in Space Research, February 2007)
- Charles A. Perrya
Falsification Of The Atmospheric CO2 Greenhouse Effects Within The Frame Of Physics
(Physics, arXiv:0707.1161)
- Gerhard Gerlich, Ralf D. Tscheuschner
Formation
of large NAT particles and denitrification in polar stratosphere:
possible role of cosmic rays and effect of solar activity
(Atmos. Chem. Phys., 4, 2273-2283, 2004)
- F. Yu
Has solar variability caused climate change that affected human culture?
(Journal Advances in Space Research, 2007)
- Joan Feynmana
Influence of Cosmic Rays on Earth's Climate
(Physical Review Letters - November 30, 1998 - Volume 81, Issue 22, pp. 5027-5030)
- Henrik Svensmark
Is solar variability reflected in the Nile River?
(Journal of Geophysical Research, Vol. 111, D21114, 2006)
- Alexander Ruzmaikin, Joan Feynman, Yuk L. Yung
Length of the Solar Cycle: An Indicator of Solar Activity Closely Associated with Climate
(Science, Vol. 254. no. 5032, pp. 698 - 700, November 1991)
- E. Friis-Christensen, K. Lassen
Linkages between solar activity, climate predictability and water resource development
(Journal of the South African Institution of Civil Engineering, Vol 49 No 2, Pages 32–44, June 2007)
- W J R Alexander, F Bailey, D B Bredenkamp, A van der Merwe, N Willemse
Low cloud properties influenced by cosmic rays
(Phys. Rev. Lett., 85(23), 5004-5007, 2000)
- Nigel D Marsh, Henrik Svensmark
Measurement-based estimation of the spatial gradient of aerosol radiative forcing
(Geophysical Research Letters, Vol. 33, L11813, 2006)
- Toshihisa Matsui, Roger A. Pielke Sr.
Methodology and Results of Calculating Central California Surface Temperature Trends: Evidence of Human-Induced Climate Change?
(Journal of Climate, Volume: 19 Issue: 4, February 2006)
- Christy, J.R., W.B. Norris, K. Redmond, K. Gallo
New perspectives for the future of the Maldives
(Global and Planetary Change, v. 40, iss. 1-2, p. 177-182. 2004)
- Nils-Axel Momer, Michael Tooley, Goran Possnert
On climate response to changes in the cosmic ray flux and radiative budget
(Journal of Geophysical Research, Volume 110, A08105, 2005)
- Nir J. Shaviv
On the relationship of cosmic ray flux and precipitation
(Geophysical Research Letters, Vol. 28, No. 8, pp. 1527–1530, 2001)
- Dominic R. Kniveton and Martin C. Todd
Phenomenological solar contribution to the 1900–2000 global surface warming
(Geophysical Research Letters, Vol. 33, L05708, 2006)
- N. Scafetta, B. J. West
Rapid Changes in Ice Discharge from Greenland Outlet Glaciers
(Science 16, Vol. 315. no. 5818, pp. 1559 - 1561, March 2007)
- Ian M. Howat, Ian Joughin, Ted A. Scambos
Recent Ice-Sheet Growth in the Interior of Greenland
(Science 11, Vol. 310. no. 5750, pp. 1013 - 1016, November 2005)
- Ola M. Johannessen, Kirill Khvorostovsky, Martin W. Miles, Leonid P. Bobylev
Reconstructing Climatic and Environmental Changes of the Past 1000 Years: A Reappraisal
(Energy and Environment, Vol. 14, Issues 2 & 3, April 11, 2003)
- Willie Soon, Sallie Baliunas, Sherwood B. Idso, Craig Idso, David R. Legates
Reconstruction of solar irradiance since 1610: Implications for climate change
(Geophysical Research Letters, Vol. 22, NO. 23, PAGES 3195–3198, 1995)
- Judith Lean, Juerg Beer, Raymond Bradley
Solar Variability Over the Past Several Millennia
(Space Science Reviews, Volume 125, Issue 1-4, pp. 67-79, Friday, December 22, 2006)
- J. Beer, M. Vonmoos, R. Muscheler
Suggestive correlations between the brightness of Neptune, solar variability, and Earth's temperature
(Geophysical Research Letters, Vol. 34, L08203, 2007)
- H. B. Hammel, G. W. Lockwood
Surface warming by the solar cycle as revealed by the composite mean difference projection
(Geophysical Research Letters, Vol. 34, L14703, 2007)
- Charles D. Camp, Ka Kit Tung
The Antarctic climate anomaly and galactic cosmic rays
(physics/0612145v1, 2006)
- Henrik Svensmark
The continuing search for an anthropogenic climate change signal: Limitations of correlation-based approaches
(Geophysical Research Letters, Vol. 24, NO. 18, PAGES 2319–2322, 1997)
- David R. Legates, Robert E. Davis
The Ever-Changing Climate System: Adapting to Challenges
(Cumberland Law Review, 36 No. 3, 493-504, 2006)
- Christy, J.R.
Timing of Atmospheric CO2 and Antarctic Temperature Changes Across Termination III
(Science 14, Vol. 299. no. 5613, March 2003)
- Nicolas Caillon, Jeffrey P. Severinghaus, Jean Jouzel, Jean-Marc Barnola, Jiancheng Kang, Volodya Y. Lipenkov
Tropospheric temperature change since 1979 from tropical radiosonde and satellite measurements
(Journal of Geophysical Research, Vol. 112, D06102, 2007)
- John R. Christy, William B. Norris, Roy W. Spencer, Justin J. Hnilo
Variations in the Earth's Orbit: Pacemaker of the Ice Ages
(Science 10, Vol. 194. no. 4270, pp. 1121 - 1132, December 1976)
- J. D. Hays, John Imbrie, N. J. Shackleton
Variation of Cosmic Ray Flux and Global Cloud Coverage - a Missing Link in Solar-Climate Relationships
(Journal of Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics, 59, 1225-1232, 1997)
- Henrik Svensmark, Eigil Friis-Christensen
Variable
solar irradiance as a plausible agent for multidecadal variations in
the Arctic-wide surface air temperature record of the past 130 years
(Geophysical Research Letters, Vol. 32, L16712, 2005)
- Willie W.-H. Soon
Warming trends in Asia amplified by brown cloud solar absorption
(Nature 448, 575-578, 2 August 2007)
- Veerabhadran Ramanathan, Muvva V. Ramana, Gregory Roberts, Dohyeong Kim, Craig Corrigan, Chul Chung, David Winker
What may we conclude about global tropospheric temperature trends?
(Geophysical Research Letters, Vol. 31, L06211, 2004)
- Christy, J.R., W.B. Norris
The Anti "Man-Made" Global Warming Resource
Another uneducated Hollywood
April 4, 2007 - 10:45 ET by Gat New YorkAnother uneducated Hollywood moron who lacks a shred of credible evidence to support anything he says and supported by another off-the-wall nut who also needs no evidence to support his theories. Fortunately the world is not run by radical environmentalists but are run by clear-headed executives who listen to rational science and implement prudent actions. These people don't need evidence because they already have a platform, so why bother with facts?
Fortunately the world is no
April 4, 2007 - 11:03 ET by DyneFortunately the world is not run by radical environmentalists but are
run by clear-headed executives who listen to rational science and
implement prudent actions.
I hate to disagree with you, Gat, but the number of those people is starting to dwindle (look at any nation involved with the Kyoto protocol). Fortunately there will always be some skeptics, no matter how many times people try to silence and/or discredit them.
Nowadays, the term "journalistic integrity" sounds like an oxymoron.
You omit the obvious...He h
April 4, 2007 - 11:39 ET by ChumlyYou omit the obvious...He has the VAST majority of the world scientific community behind what he is saying. Can you claim the same??
So, trying to help preserve the PLANET for future generations is...RADICAL??
I fear for our future generations when there are people who espouse such thoughtless ideas.
BTW, "clear-headed executives" are very good at what they do. They make money.
The world's leading scientists are very good at what they do. They interpret the world's natural systems for the rest of us. AND, unlike executives, the scientists have to back up what they claim with proof...they have to show reproducible results.
The executives of our major corporations make huge bonuses whether or not they make money for their company.
Your rant leads to a dead end.
The problem is, "resul
April 4, 2007 - 11:56 ET by sarcasmoThe problem is, "results" are being reproduced on a variety of distant planets/moons without any SUVs (except the 2 we sent to Mars) and your side can't argue around that reality. Wobble all you want, it's the sun and not humanity according to the closest thing we have to a control group, and our side knows it.
JMR
I understand Mariner 9 is due
April 4, 2007 - 16:01 ET by PeskyDaneI understand Mariner 9 is due to crash in 2022. Have we done an environmental impact study? Do the Martians know? Is it not enough that we are damaging our own planet - that this damage will be irreversable within 9 years? Now we have to go and ruin theirs?
Pesky, we have to ruin Mars n
April 4, 2007 - 16:11 ET by bassndudePesky, we have to ruin Mars now. We have done all we can here, gotta move on. With luck, it will only take a few years to destroy Mars and the Martians will be on the endangered species list.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
".....AND, unlike execut
April 4, 2007 - 12:17 ET by winston smith".....AND, unlike executives, the scientists have to back up what they claim with proof...they have to show reproducible results."
Yep, and that's why I believe the scientists (and the science) that disproves so-called global warming as a colossal fraud cooked up and perpetuated by disreputable persons and organizations like Al Gore, the UN, marxists, envronmentalists and a community of scientists and researchers who make a lucrative living off the back of the tax-payers who have little to no say about how the federal government relentlessly wastes their money on fraudulent, discredited science. Take away the mother's milk of government research funding and support for man-made global warming disappears faster than a plate of Twinkies in Rosie O'Donnell's dressing room.
OK Brainiacs, I'll say it a
April 4, 2007 - 12:55 ET by ChumlyOK Brainiacs, I'll say it again...this is a non issue. The Vast majority of "peer reviewed" scientists are saying that some of the earth's warming is caused by man. NOT ALLLL. I saw the article about Mars warming because of the sun. Many people saw it. The earth is also going through a warming trend. BUT, in addition to the earth's natural warming cycle...man is now adding to it. This is a distinct difference from what is occurring on Mars, and a point that Bill O'Reilly and Rush are hiding from you and/or distorting.
That is a successful tactic used by Fox and others to confuse you people. Just like the non-issue about Al Gore's energy consumption. It was a distraction meant to discredit his message. They do it to you all the time and you keep lapping it up.
Face it. Fox and company (Rush, Michael Savage, Carl Rove) have duped you all into supporting their dead end policies, while at the same time they are fleecing all of us. The vast majority of conservatives DO NOT benefit from their policies, but they have convinced you otherwise. And you bought it. Only the very wealthy people in this country benefit from the policies Fox and Co. espouse and you all are their entourage. You follow them with the hope of getting the scraps that they never offer you.
What I gather from you forward thinkers is that you are arguing AGAINST preserving the planet for our progeny. What in the world would cause a reasonable person to argue against the future quality of life for our children??
Hey, Chumpster, what have you done to reduce your own carbon foo
April 4, 2007 - 13:09 ET by RJHey, Chumpster, what steps have YOU taken to reduce your own carbon footprint? Or is that a "non issue" like Al Gore's footprint? With all your indignant squalling, I expect that you've done quite a lot to "save the planet."
RJ, Actually, if he just s
April 4, 2007 - 13:23 ET by Dave RRJ,
Actually, if he just stopped breathing, it would be like killing two birds with one stone, if you get my ahh, drift. :-)
This republic will not survive the continued neglect of its people.- Neal Boortz.
I was in DC for the Anthrax
April 4, 2007 - 13:35 ET by ChumlyI was in DC for the Anthrax investigation.
I was in the Incident Command Post in New Orleans for the Hurricane Katrina hazmat cleanup. We were among the first ER responders there.
Our company was at Ground Zero almost immediately for the hazmat response.
We were the prime contractor for the Space Shuttle Columbia accident in Texas.
I have spent weeks at a time away from my family investigating or assisting with the cleanup of hazardous material incidents and spills all over the country including Hawaii, Guam, and Saipan.
Tire fires, acid spills, fuel spills, asbestos, cyanide gas, PCBs, old mine sites with mercury, arsenic and lead contamination.
I'd say I am doing my share for this world and for our country.
The question was: "what
April 4, 2007 - 13:42 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveThe question was: "what steps have YOU taken to reduce your own carbon footprint?"
Not "send us your resumé"
What have you done (or are doing) to reduce your personal carbon footprint?
"There is a time to take counsel of your fears, and there is a time to never listen to any fear." --General George S. Patton, Jr.
Come on Mean...In my opinio
April 4, 2007 - 15:36 ET by ChumlyCome on Mean...
In my opinion, that would be like say...one day I get up and clean the entire house, clean out the garage, and mow both lawns only to have my wife say "did you dust your nightstand?? Hmm? No? Not good enough".
Chumly, are you saying your n
April 4, 2007 - 15:47 ET by bassndudeChumly, are you saying your not doing anything other than you job? I dident see anything you said that would reduce your carbon footprint. As a matter of fact, what I see is an increase over the average American, what with all the travel you do in your job. As a good liberal, I would expect you to try to reduce the impact some.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
translation: nothing at all
April 4, 2007 - 15:49 ET by TruthMongertranslation: nothing at all
I'm glad you made that exampl
April 4, 2007 - 15:56 ET by dscottI'm glad you made that example because that's what Al Gore and all his rich friends are saying to us in the poor and middle class. Al Gore who uses 20 times the electricity of the average American household in just one of his houses is demanding we should cut back and pay carbon taxes??? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Al Gore and his rich friends can afford to pay the carbon tax because it is a regressive tax! For them to pay it is no deal at all, they can afford it, they can afford high energy bills and then still consume 20 times the rest of us! Explain to me how that's Socially Responsible??? Al Gore and his rich buddies like DiCaprio and Barbara Streisand (15 million people who own 70% of the personal wealth) consume at least half of all residential electrical consumption in the US.
So when Al Gore and his rich buddies come down to our level of energy consumption, then and only then does he have any business telling the poor and middle class to cut back. In the meantime, keep your grubby hands out of our pockets!!!!
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius
This is funny. Chumpster thinks his job gives him carbon credits
April 4, 2007 - 16:46 ET by RJHa. This is funny. As suspected, Chumpster is just a noisy enviro-phony, preaching "for thee, but not for me". He's a hazardous waste janitor, with a different route than the guys who come by each week to pick up my garbage...(not that there's anything wrong with that).
And he thinks that's like carbon credits that give him a pass...like Al Gore.
hahalolololhahahalolol!
Dude, Anthrax rocks!
April 4, 2007 - 16:10 ET by Roger the ShrubberDude, Anthrax rocks!
Chumly,It sounds like you h
April 4, 2007 - 19:39 ET by BlameTheMediaChumly,
It sounds like you have done a lot more than these bloggers who must sit at their computers ALL DAY and/or NIGHT being angry. Diverting the issues... we should feel for them, because you can log on for a minute 20 times per day and there they are... writing hateful things. You have a life. Good for you. Me too, gotta go, my 10 minutes is up,
I love it when you libs smooc
April 4, 2007 - 19:47 ET by BlondeI love it when you libs smooch in public.
Hillarious.
For whiny Blame
April 4, 2007 - 23:56 ET by UnsaneHardly. I still hold my commission. :-)
blame, all you do is sit around the computer day and night whining about...well, everything, instead of doing anything about them. And YOU are the king of diverting issues, by bringing up apples and oranges comparisons in repeated desperate attempts to change the course of the debate.
There is hardly anything hateful on NB...unless it comes from a virulent Leftist.
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
It's not just Mars that's w
April 4, 2007 - 13:18 ET by sarcasmoIt's not just Mars that's warming, and your side can't say how much (if any) warming effect on earth is from human activity, so why does your side always try to assume 100% of the effect is human? Why do we have to wring admissions about warming on other planetS in the solar system out of you people, literally every time?? Can you see why many of us think you have a big-government agenda instead of a scientific agenda???
JMR
So how did I get fooled? I mi
April 4, 2007 - 13:32 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveSo how did I get fooled? I might catch Fox News once a week or so, I don't listen to Rush or Michael Savage, nor do I get memos from Karl Rove.
You assume that we all get our knowledge the same way that the "vast majority" of the left does...through the MSM and parroting Democratic talking points. Many of us here at NB do our own research and reading...then we use our critical reading skills to weigh the information we have and make informed decisions and opinions based on facts rather than conjecture.
You also seem ignorant to the fact that your "vast majority of peer reviewed scientists" are Government/Corporate grant whores that will say whatever their benefactors want them to say so they can continue to get the MONEY they are addicted to. Also, if you are looking for a certain outcome, you can almost always cherry pick and otherwise manipulate data/polls to support your preconceived hypothesis. The weather and climate is way too complex for anyone with current technology and the very limited historical data (the earth is how old?) no one but God can give definitive answers.
"For the children"
I'm not too worried about anthropogenic global warming cramping the quality of life for my children. Our children will not be forever helpless "children." They will be the ones in the future that drive advances in technology and will be able to overcome more and more technical hurdles we currently can't jump. I am worried about Islamofascist terrorism, the liberal desensitization of society to a forced acceptance of gross immorality as a constitutional right and the economic ruin that will come from trying to reverse the natural climate and geological processes that are being blamed on mankind.
Wake up.
"There is a time to take counsel of your fears, and there is a time to never listen to any fear." --General George S. Patton, Jr.
Challenge:Have you ever got
April 4, 2007 - 13:58 ET by ChumlyChallenge:
Have you ever gotten a definitive answer about anything from God?
Anything?
You just discredited any and all of your arguments with the statement about God providing definitive answers. You introduced a "magic man in the sky" who can do...well...magic, (definitively answer questions). You know he does magic (miracles and such), but you can't offer proof that the magic is actually being done. I have to just believe that the magic you would point to is actually being done, without ever seeing the outcome.
BTW, you do get your information from the same system that disseminates it to Rush and to Fox and the others. It is all the same right wing msm. I believe that a lot of it comes from the minister of propaganda - Carl Rove.
Many of you only hurl insults and participate in character assassination instead of providing the fruits of your own research. I have rarely seen that. Very rarely.
I can't help a faithless pers
April 4, 2007 - 14:12 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveI can't help a faithless person understand how one does get definitive answers from God. You showed how closed your mind is by claiming that "any and all of [my] arguments" are discredited because I made a reference to God.
"BTW, you do get your information from the same system that disseminates it to Rush and to Fox and the others. It is all the same right wing msm. I believe that a lot of it comes from the minister of propaganda - Carl Rove."
How can you be so sure my information comes from Rush, FOX and Karl Rove? How can you be so sure your information doesn't come from the same sources?
"Many of you only hurl insults and participate in character assassination..."
Exactly like the your entire reply to me?
I'm not going to continue this debate with an intellectually dishonest person.
"There is a time to take counsel of your fears, and there is a time to never listen to any fear." --General George S. Patton, Jr.
Hey Chummy, you’re such a l
April 4, 2007 - 14:14 ET by Gat New YorkHey Chummy, you’re such a learned individual and a deep thinker. Try this. Can you define precisely how this Universe was created or how homo sapiens became the dominant species on this plant? You Koz Kidz talk about evolution. Is it possible a God could create a system of evolution and not just specific life forms?
Regarding insults, look at your original post moron.
Same question, Chumpster: What personal steps have you taken
April 4, 2007 - 14:21 ET by RJStill waiting for your answer Chumpster: What personal aggressive steps have YOU taken to reduce your carbon footprint? Not your resume....you, personally.
As for your statement that the msm is right wing and that Carl Rove supplies it with information for dissemination....(shrugs, shakes head)
A certified disciple of Koz w
April 4, 2007 - 14:03 ET by Gat New YorkA certified disciple of Koz where name calling has reached new heights and liar is used as much as impeachment – neither of which do these Koz Kidz have any idea what they mean.
I have no idea what you are talking about Chummy, but the fact that you say the VAST majority of “peer reviewed” scientists is another way of saying only the ones we believe in or the ones that can pick and choose isolated events and blow them into a calamity.
That fact is that the Earth has been in the early stages of a warming phase for the past 10,000 years (for you Koz Kidz that’s pre-Bush). It is possible that man has had some affect on the acceleration of that warming but to date it has not been that significant.
Just to put things in perspective during the last 10,0000 years Neanderthals appeared about 230,000 years ago and Homo Sapiens about 90,000 years ago. Our Second Industrial Revolution was 170 years ago and the Third Industrial Revolution (which environmentalists believe has caused this furor over global warming) started only about 23 years ago. 23 years out of a history of 4,560,000,000 years.
The problem is that people like Gore and Chummy are so incredibly self absorbed that they think that we, as humans, could have had within our tiny period of time on this ancient planet that much of an impact on it.
You just made my argument f
April 4, 2007 - 14:16 ET by ChumlyYou just made my argument for me Gat. When you said "It is possible that man has had some affect on the acceleration of that warming but to date it has not been that significant".
I have not heard one person on this blog say that (at least, none of the deniers). Man's contribution may not have been so significant to date. BUT, our energy use is accelerating. That is the point. Our impact on this planet is accelerating. The goal is to slow the acceleration and hopefully reverse the trend.
If you leave the future of our planet in the hands of "clear thinking executives" (corporate America), you are not doing our children and their's any good. You will be punishing your progeny for your ignorance.
I said it was possible but it
April 4, 2007 - 14:22 ET by Gat New YorkI said it was possible but it has yet been proven. I would hold up on packing up and getting on the next space ship out of here. It has been clear thinking American executives you have developed environmentally friendly technologies and are running more and more corporations with trying to have environmentally friendly practices - and that is without a Kyoto agreement - just good business sense. I would be more concerned about your allies across the pond and in Asia.
I just have to laugh here.
April 5, 2007 - 11:26 ET by steviep831I just have to laugh here. You think he just made your entire case accurate from ONE sentence? Hilarious.
The problem with your claim is that it has not been proven whether an increase in global temperatures is a bad thing. Gorbasm claims that cities along the coast will be under water. Is that all that will happen?!?! Do you really think that even IF the sea levels rise that we'd allow cities to go underwater? We do have the technology to hold back the sea. Look at New Orleans. It is a city underwater! Yet, it survives thanks largely to technology. Of course we all know that a hurricane came along and laid waste to that town because the city's government was corrupt and putting money to maintain the levies into their own pockets. But this is an extreme case.
We only have to go back a few hundred years to see what life on earth was like when it was much hotter than it is now. History does repeat itself you know. Our earth's climate is constantly changing; going through periods when it is colder and periods when it's warmer. There is no "normal" temperature for the earth. Therefore, the earth can not get a fever and it can not get a chill because of this fact.
So what's the answer to the question, "What was life like when it was warmer than it is now?" The answer is that our world went through a boon. Low and behold, humans; life: flora and fauna are still around. Go figure. Life prevails even though our world's climate goes through drastic changes. Or have you leftist already given up on Darwin too!
some of the earth's warming i
April 4, 2007 - 15:19 ET by dscottsome of the earth's warming is caused by man. NOT ALLLL.
So Chumly, I'm glad to see you realize that other sources in nature are heating up the planet. Now how much is it man's fault? What percentage? Show us your proof to back up your rhetoric.
From the info I have: It is about 0.28%, if water vapor is taken into account-- about 5.53%, if not. So let's forget about water vapor seeing that man's input is trivial from this perspective and say it's 5.53%. Are you intending everyone to believe that the 94.47% from natural sources (CO2 & Methane) is controlled by man's puny 5.53%??? We are not buying the butterfly effect if that is what you are going to try to foist on us. This is why the argument, it's man's fault, is absurd to us, you people have no sense of proportion.
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius
Again with the "peer rev
April 4, 2007 - 16:15 ET by PeskyDaneAgain with the "peer reviewed" crap. Nothing will destroy your credibility faster than using that term seriously. All "peer review" means is that your buddy from the echo chamber gave your paper a check mark so the dean would put it into the college journal that no one reads. I used to get my sister to "peer review" my papers back in school as well.
Here's a partial list of subjects and theories that I'm sure were "peer reviewed" as well: Flat Earth Theory, Earth Center of Universe Theory, everything Aristotle wrote about physics, 4-Element Theory, Vetinary Nervous System Theory, Sanger on Eugenics.
Are you sure you want to have this conversation?
Well for starts just who are
April 4, 2007 - 17:23 ET by USA4freedomWell for starts just who are these “peered reviewed scientists” and who does the reviewing?
I always love how with in seconds, the leftists start off with: Rush, Fox, Big Oil, Rove, hey you forgot Halliburton. They are getting the BIG PAYOFF.
Next: it’s for the children. Well all except the children in developing countries, like China and India. Lots of kids there..
When one volcano can spew the same pollution as all the cars in the last 100 years, it makes me just a little hesitant to buy in to it all.
Then there is that whole Greenland place that the Vikings stumbled across made some settlements and then they were frozen out.
If none of this happened before I might buy.. into it. But the earth (and Venus) both have been warmer and cooler.
Also North America was covered by a huge glacier. In about 17,000 BC (that’s: Before Climate idiots) Hartford was estimated to be covered with about 2500 feet of ice. Man I bet those early men could use a few SUV’s to run from the Saber tooth tiger.
So the next time you earth warming people, start to think that we can change the world, ask a Hurricane not to hit, ask a Tornados not to kick the $hit out of that trailer park, or ask that Tsunami just - take - a - break. Its all happened before, and BEFORE WE WERE HERE.
America is best described by one word, freedom... Dwight D. Eisenhower
Big B, are you talking to me?
April 4, 2007 - 22:27 ET by USA4freedomBig B, are you talking to me? You just sign on to insult me? I don’t see any comments from you: Mr. enlighten. Hey I’m a collage grad, owned two business, retired at 51. And you? I bet its something real special… Any time someone starts a name with Big makes me wonder.
America is best described by one word, freedom... Dwight D. Eisenhower
Uh-oh USA4...Looks like I am
April 4, 2007 - 22:43 ET by bigtimerUh-oh USA4...
Looks like I am in big trouble with ya!
(I'm in small case....have mercy on me!)
LOL!
Btw...it is a long story how I ended up with my moniker here...and funny too.
No not you but Big.B. I dont
April 4, 2007 - 22:48 ET by USA4freedomNo not you but Big.B. I dont know who this is but he went out of his way to stick it to me.
America is best described by one word, freedom... Dwight D. Eisenhower
You know whats weird? Things
April 4, 2007 - 22:53 ET by USA4freedomYou know whats weird? Things disappear on the site all the time. Post are there then gone. Do they get pulled? Big B made a comment about me that he hopes I don’t have kids because there are enough dumb people around. Normally I don’t respond to trolls but I made an exception this time.
America is best described by one word, freedom... Dwight D. Eisenhower
I know USA..I have followed h
April 4, 2007 - 22:55 ET by bigtimerI know USA..
I have followed him somewhat and know what he has been doing to you...he seems to be another cut and run defeatist little troll.
Btw...I was just funnin' with ya earlier!
Later...
No prob. I hate hit and run,
April 4, 2007 - 23:01 ET by USA4freedomNo prob. I hate hit and run, or more like cut and run... Next time you see him on give me a call. I'm not finished..lol
America is best described by one word, freedom... Dwight D. Eisenhower
"What I gather from yo
April 5, 2007 - 10:39 ET by steviep831"What I gather from you forward thinkers is that you are arguing AGAINST
preserving the planet for our progeny. What in the world would cause a
reasonable person to argue against the future quality of life for our
children??"
Unfortunately you're full of BS. Your statement is meant only to get a rise out of people; to make it an emotional issue (it's all about the children). This is not an emotional issue. It's a scientific one. No one here is saying trash the planet. Funny how only you on the other side scream this claim. What we argue... violently and vehemently... is your claim that human kind somehow has a hand in the destruction of our planet through our production of CO2. It's just not possible. The greens are screaming that HALF a degree difference in our world's climate is going to destroy the planet. How on earth can someone argue that, when everyday and everynight our planet's temperature vary several times that... just in one day!!! How can you say that our planet is doomed because a couple of icebergs are receding, when the vast majority of the other icebergs are moving forward. It's this kind of selective science that we take offense to. Did you know that CO2 is not the largest (concentration wise) greenhouse gas in our atmosphere? And did you know that humans only produce 3% of all CO2 that gets released into the atmosphere? There so much science that goes against what you claim yet, you claim consensus and that no other scientist would dare contradict you. Don't know about you but I call that pretty arrogant.
Chumly you are obviously one
April 4, 2007 - 12:43 ET by Gat New YorkChumly you are obviously one of those self-absorbed Koz Kidz who have never let facts or research get in the way of thoughtless rantings. I provided facts. What you provided was more of rantings. It is a bold faced lie that the vast majority of the scientific community is behind what Gore is saying. It is only a select group of radical scientists who have a political agenda. Your knowledge of corporate executives clearly shows you have no idea what you are talking about. You should go back and conspire with the rest of the Koz Kidsz
This one won't reply, eithe
April 4, 2007 - 12:48 ET by sarcasmoThis one won't reply, either. They can't take us on, and they know it.
JMR
My daughter played basketball
April 4, 2007 - 13:02 ET by Dan The Man 2My daughter played basketball for quite a while. I remember one time she had control of the ball from a throw in at the sidelines. Seems like all the players on the court headed for a basket and she headed for the opposite basket. It was just after a change in the courts and possibly all except my kid was confused because she was headed for the right basket and all the others were headed for the wrong one. In that case the majority was wrong and they soon realized their mistake.
What we witnessed is herd mentality, because afterwards some of the players were saying you know I thought we were headed for the wrong basket but went with the crowd. My kid was right and they were wrong. The moral of the story is that herd mentality cost them the game and herd mentality has no business when choosing what is right ah=nd wrong.
Especially in science we should step back and examine the facts. If my daughter had followed the herd, when she knew what was right then she wouldn’t be the hero of that game.
So just say moo and follow the herd if you want.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark. -- save my gun, shoot a liberal.
The world's "leading sci
April 4, 2007 - 17:25 ET by mattmThe world's "leading scientists"???? Who are they? Algore? DiCaprio??? "Leading scientists" have been wrong before (like in the1970's when they were predicting an ice age) and they are wrong now if they're pushing Algore's lie!
And if you think the "vast majority" of scientists agree with the fanatical enviros (as if scientific conclusions are determined by vote) then you need to see this video.
You'd do much better to think for yourself, Chumly, than to let the so-called "experts" tell you what to think....after all, this is not brain surgery.
Chum
April 4, 2007 - 18:53 ET by gfrrmanIf you're gonna debate at least have some facts to back it up. We've warned you about that in the past and you whined that we were being mean...wah,wah. So go ahead and prove that "He has the VAST majority of the world scientific community behind what he is saying." You are definitely delusional to believe such garbage and you CAN'T back it up.
"Eventually, Socialists run out of other peoples' money...." MARGARET THATCHER
This may one time where an a
April 4, 2007 - 10:50 ET by Dan The Man 2This may one time where an actor played a character on screen and actually has the qualifications. I mean did he not play Howard Hughs? He doesnt have the intelegence of Howard but certainly has the signs of insanity. Yep he definitally has the cred for being crazy.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark. -- save my gun, shoot a liberal.
Show us your sources, Leo!
April 4, 2007 - 10:52 ET by DyneShow us your sources, Leo! Last I heard, polar bears and gray wolves were not only stable, but improving. That's at least two of an estimated 50 million types of species (with who knows how many undiscovered) that contradict your "omniscient" statement. As a mathematician, I know that it only takes one counter-example to disprove a proposed theorem, especially ones that rely on the words "always" or "never" because those words are pivotal to the proof.
Your time in the limelight will fade, Leo. There will come a time when you no longer have drooling fangirls and fanboys who worship the ground you walk on. But, unlike you, science and the truth will continue to live long after you're dead.
(Sorry for the rant, NB, but I've always hated this guy.)
Nowadays, the term "journalistic integrity" sounds like an oxymoron.
Glad I'm not the only one w
April 5, 2007 - 11:35 ET by steviep831Glad I'm not the only one who detests this guy.
Well, nothing says Global War
April 4, 2007 - 10:53 ET by Chris NormanWell, nothing says your serious about Global Warming like using a picture of an actor standing in front of a glacier...
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
If Vanity Fair really wanted
April 4, 2007 - 10:53 ET by HypocriteHaterIf Vanity Fair really wanted to have a "Green Issue", they wouldn't have printed their magazine on paper. They would have converted to an internet magazine. Somehow, Leo must have missed the irony of that.
Another example of "do as I say, not as I do" logic.
Well, this is Vanity Fair. I
April 4, 2007 - 10:54 ET by contraryWell, this is Vanity Fair. I certainly would not pick this magazine up for a logical and revealing debate on global warming and human polution. But I suppose the more impressionable might take this as truth.
As the so-called prophet of g
April 4, 2007 - 11:01 ET by GalvanicAs the so-called prophet of global warming, Al Gore has declared that the science is irrefutable, and the debate is over. We need do nothing now other than act.
And, the lemmings like DiCaprio merely follow along to the piper's tune, never delving into the science themselves, nor adjusting their life styles to fit their rhetoric.
This site excellently repr
April 4, 2007 - 11:01 ET byThis site excellently represents the now shrinking minority of Rush fans who have been brainwashed into thinking they are not hurting the environment. It's almost sad.
A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons
Montana - please stop breathi
April 4, 2007 - 11:08 ET by florida_chadMontana - please stop breathing. Your CO2 is hurting the world.
1. I'm not a Limbaugh fan,
April 4, 2007 - 11:11 ET by sarcasmo1. I'm not a Limbaugh fan, but I've seen no evidence his fan base is shrinking, despite an immense and unlistenable-IMO commercial-load.
2. I'm not brainwashed, either, but especially
3. People like me actually help the environment (and I can enumerate specific ways, but clearly you think that's not needed for your own arguments, so why bother?) whether or not lefties like you want to admit it. Strike 3.
JMR
This site excellently repre
April 4, 2007 - 11:17 ET by DyneThis site excellently represents the now shrinking minority of Rush fans who have been brainwashed-
I immediately stopped reading your "argument" right there. The moment you have to rely on personal attacks, name-calling, foul language, or unfounded accusations (ie: back up your statements with data) is the moment you've lost the debate.
Nowadays, the term "journalistic integrity" sounds like an oxymoron.
He won't reply to any of us.
April 4, 2007 - 12:09 ET by sarcasmoHe won't reply to any of us. My "get specific" post above kinda hints at the truth of why, though, aside from the fact that 'driveby' is his style here. I think he can sense the embarrassing (for both of us...) fact that I've planted a lot of oak trees which are now even bigger around than I am. I've also planted cypress trees which no