How many times have you seen Civil War rants about the "backward" nature of the South or Southerners – all linked to the failed attempt at secession? But now secession has to be looked at in a credible way, thanks to The Washington Post, because liberals want to do it.
In an appropriately April Fools Day Outlook column called “The Once and Future Republic of Vermont,” the authors complained about the American “empire” and said “Some of us therefore seek permission to leave.”
Ian Baldwin, publisher of Vermont Commons, and Frank Bryan, a political science professor at the University of Vermont, remind readers that “Vermont was once an independent republic, and it can be one again.” They are unhappy, as are many lefties, because the nation isn’t as left-wing as they want it to be.
The Post is clearly unhappy as well. It gave them front-page space on one of the most popular commentary sections in the nation for 1,200 words on secession. Those words are full of the standard liberal doctrine – anti-military, anti-U.S., anti-Ronald Reagan. The whole thing is so “anti” that it can leave you crying “uncle.”
Buried in the midst of this massive rationalization about quitting the United States was a reminder of one of the prominent libs involved in these discussions – none other than Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean. Here’s a quote:
“The present movement for secession has been gathering steam for a decade and a half. In preparation for Vermont's bicentennial in 1991, public debates – moderated by then-Lt. Gov. Howard Dean – were held in seven towns before crowds that averaged 230 citizens. At the end of each, Dean asked all those in favor of Vermont's seceding from the Union to stand and be counted. In town after town, solid majorities stood. The final count: 999 (62 percent) for secession and 608 opposed.”
Come to think of it, if we could get rid of Dean, it almost might be worth it.
—Dan Gainor is director of the Business and Media Institute.
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The lefties are trying their
April 2, 2007 - 06:05 ET by liberal_bug_zapperThe lefties are trying their best to either make conservatism illegal or to secede from the union. The problem with lefties is either they win, or they threaten, cajole and bribe to win. We see economies on the verge of collapse in most socialist states, and then, when they adopt capitalism for a short while to save their faltering economy, they allow it to go for a while, then, they arrest all those doing well, take their money (ala Hillary Clinton) and move back towards socialism until it nears collapse again.
I seriously hate these people, and would be the first to lead the brigade to take Vermont back by force. Stupid treehuggers!
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If they were smart enough t
April 2, 2007 - 06:19 ET by sarcasmoIf they were smart enough to keep Vermont-carry (which is questionable given the irrational antigun bigotry of much of the left, but one never knows these days) you might not have as easy a time as you seem to imagine getting it back...
JMR
They did have a point with th
April 2, 2007 - 07:02 ET by Ken ShepherdThey did have a point with the whole feds bribing the states with highway money thing. Of course, Vermont can eschew highway funding if they're THAT self-reliant and keep the 18 year old drinking age.
But the 21-year drinking age has always been a pet peeve for multiple reasons, not the least of which is that it was an issue which an otherwise excellent president caved to an unconservative position to further feel-good but power-grabbing legislation by the federal government.
But that Outlook piece was so filled with smug self-righteousness it's enough to make you want the Green Mountain State to just go its own way. Let it be the Lichtenstein of North America. Then maybe we can slap heavy tariffs on Ben & Jerry's.
I agree, there should be no
April 2, 2007 - 08:12 ET by liberal_bug_zapperI agree, there should be no drinking age as far as I am concerned, but there should be heavy penalties for those who do illegal stuff while drinking; like driving, or fighting etc... But you KNOW they don't care about the drinking age issue... in fact, they would give every Vermont Citizen full rights to drink with no penalty for messing up while drunk, instead, blaming anyone but the person who committed the illegal act.
I'm not a big supporter of the Federal Government, but the idea of a State like Vermont seceding from the Union because they hate conservatives burns me up. They're so liberal up there that I'm sure they're soon to vote on whether or not to secede because they lose the '08 election.
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They want to be their own na
April 2, 2007 - 06:50 ET by MidAmericaThey want to be their own nation with a population that is smaller than Austin, Texas?
Let 'em seceed.. and then l
April 2, 2007 - 06:58 ET by rimskyLet 'em seceed.. and then let's put a major a** tarriff on Ben and Jerry's ice cream.
If they want to go, let 'em g
April 2, 2007 - 06:58 ET by GalvanicIf they want to go, let 'em go. Any Americans that wish to leave rather than stay in an independent Vermont, are welcomed. Then, build a border fence along the entire border between the US and the People's Republic of Vermont. ;-)
Agree! - but watch out for th
April 2, 2007 - 07:22 ET by FastEdAgree! - but watch out for the fence hater to make racist statements that VT is too white, and that is the reason they want to leave. How many folks would immigrate there? (IMHO - not many)
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
Getting rid of marble-mouth
April 2, 2007 - 07:45 ET by daveinbocaGetting rid of marble-mouthed Leahy, and the likes of Jeffords, that girlie-man turncoat who disgraced himself---and of course, Howard Dean and his screaming chic. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
That should make it all very
April 2, 2007 - 07:46 ET by King of the BritonsThat should make it all very interesting considering it will be side by side with New Hampshire - The New Hampshire of the "Free State" project which intends to transform the state into the antithesis of what Vermont will become. It should be a great look at the differences between socialism and free market capitalism. One state with all the laws and state nanny-ism a liberal could ever want and another one with limited government and maximum freedom. Let it begin! I will bring the popcorn!
Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!´´
--Patrick Henry
Don't let the door hit you on the way out!
April 2, 2007 - 08:24 ET by The Wicked ConservativeI say let 'em go with one caveat...take California with you! No more 9th circuit court, no more Pelosi and no more electoral votes from the left coast!
Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realizes that it bears a very close resemblence to the first.
- Ronald Reagan
Dittos
April 2, 2007 - 08:43 ET by thejacksonfamilyHere, here!
I think you mean Hear ! Hear
April 2, 2007 - 11:26 ET by Quidnunc SavantI think you mean Hear ! Hear ! unless you were hailing a cab ,then forgive me.
"Go f*#& yourself , I say what I want." Oriana Fallaci
So it was or WAS NOT an April
April 2, 2007 - 08:36 ET by sanskritgSo it was or WAS NOT an April Fools Day subject?
Not
April 2, 2007 - 08:44 ET by Dan GainorNot. Though I certainly think the joke is on the Post.
It's a legitimate op-ed. I th
April 2, 2007 - 08:51 ET by Ken ShepherdIt's a legitimate op-ed. I think Dan means that it's an utterly foolish notion, particularly for a major metropolitan paper to front-page on its Sunday commentary section.
Here's a pro-Vt. secession Web site that one of the commentary co-writers is affiliated with:
http://www.vtcommons...
I say let the two coasts se
April 2, 2007 - 08:49 ET by MightyMouthI say let the two coasts secede. Then we will have Pelosistan to the west, Hillarystan to the east and America and Apple pile STILL in the middle! :-)
Oh, and neither coast can have anymore Texas power! KMA!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Quebec should Annex them, mak
April 2, 2007 - 09:00 ET by Lancasters Saved UsQuebec should Annex them, make them speak French and shut down their inneficient maple Syrup Business.
lol
April 2, 2007 - 10:04 ET by dahliatraverslol
So true!!! And, not that far-
April 2, 2007 - 15:24 ET by kathleenirishSo true!!! And, not that far-fetched. I LOVE it!
Has anyone been to Vermont lately? The whole state is falling down, as far as I can see. Property taxes are too high for most. Go secede. Then, it's off with the elites' heads by the we-are-sick-of-you-nut-jobs-crowd. One can dream, right?
"He who has a thousand friends has not a friend to spare, and he who has one enemy will meet him everywhere" -Ali ibn-Abi-Talib, 4th Islamic Caliph
Liberals
April 2, 2007 - 09:53 ET by iveseenitall" Secession Must Be OK, When Liberals Want To Do It ". ANYTHING is ok, when liberals want to do it. ANYTHING is wrong, when conservatives want to do it. Liberals are hypocritical.
NEVER,NEVER trust a liberal
Actually, only 8% of Vermont
April 2, 2007 - 10:02 ET by dahliatraversActually, only 8% of Vermont voters favor succession.
http://www.vtcommons.org/node/438
And leave Howard Dean alone. That scream was priceless.
We must let them secede.NO BL
April 2, 2007 - 10:41 ET by Prester JohnWe must let them secede.
NO BLOOD FOR MAPLE SYRUP!!
New England Secession
April 2, 2007 - 11:24 ET by Ten7sThe New England States have periodically discussed secession since 1804. Their most serious attempt at secession was the Hartford Convention in 1814, which was attended by Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New Hampshire, and Vermont. Before the Civil War, secession was a general danger to the United States from many states, many areas. Of course the South with its military prowess was always the most likely to actually attempt it. And of course being only a fraction of the size of the greater United States doomed any attempt from the start (not to mention the fact that large portions of the South sided with the United States against the Confederacy). In fact, at the beginning many thought that the Civil War would be over in a matter of months.
You mean the Copperheads?
April 2, 2007 - 11:46 ET by RJYou mean the Copperheads a.k.a. "Peace Democrats?" (Named after "the snake that sneaks and strikes without warning.")
As we observe all around us today, little has changed with the Democrats. Snakes don't change their nature, do they?
Another brick in the wall
April 2, 2007 - 12:39 ET by nkviking75Y'know, once Vermont is an independent nation, we can wall it in on two sides.
3 sides
April 2, 2007 - 14:53 ET by Edhenry3 sides
How do we know Canada wouldn'
April 2, 2007 - 15:36 ET by kathleenirishHow do we know Canada wouldn't also decide to wall their border off, too? It could be 4...
"He who has a thousand friends has not a friend to spare, and he who has one enemy will meet him everywhere" -Ali ibn-Abi-Talib, 4th Islamic Caliph
This Vermont thing could solv
April 2, 2007 - 15:54 ET by Clear thinkerThis Vermont thing could solve a BIG problem. Let's round up as many illegals as we can, send them to Vermont, then wall it in.
The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.
We could designate Vermont as
April 2, 2007 - 16:11 ET by Cool ArrowWe could designate Vermont as (Papillon) for Child Molesters.
How do we know Canada wouldn'
April 2, 2007 - 15:36 ET by kathleenirishCheck the map
April 2, 2007 - 19:16 ET by nkviking75Vermont is roughly triangular, and the northern border is shared with Canada.
Two sides.
When you put the clowns in charge, you shouldn't be surprised if a circus breaks out.
NK....If we put a border on t
April 2, 2007 - 19:26 ET by BlondeNK....
If we put a border on top....four sides.
Keep them irrevocably IN their own little liberal hell.
What a concept!
Maybe they'll use the East German Methods
April 2, 2007 - 16:01 ET by Carl KolchakMaybe they'll follow the East German method and build their own wall to keep their people from leaving.
"No one has the intention of building a wall" Walter Ulbricht
Sorry, Vermont, but Abraham L
April 2, 2007 - 15:51 ET by Cool ArrowSorry, Vermont, but Abraham Lincoln put an end to the question Whitman posed so cogently.
The Civil war was fought over a verb:
The United States is
or
The United States are
Wait a second. I guess it depends on what the definition of "is" is
"How many times have you
April 2, 2007 - 20:09 ET by baldwin"How many times have you seen Civil War rants about the "backward" nature of the South or Southerners – all linked to the failed attempt at secession?"
Umm, not that many. I have seen Civil War "rants" about the nature of the South linked to the defense of a slave economy.
bald, and what would be your
April 2, 2007 - 20:35 ET by JABbald, and what would be your answer to the current illegal immigrant situation? after all it is big business and under handed contractors doing the same thing in the modern era that you complain about in regard to the past.
"To bad Ignorance isn't painful..."
The states that seceded (sic?
April 2, 2007 - 20:45 ET by ahusserThe states that seceded (sic?). Were all Democratic controlled states who felt their way of life (slavery) would be changed by the election of a Republican President. Then the Copperhead Dems attacked the President for prosecuting the war and to influence the 1864 election to negotiate with the south and stop the war. Some things never change. The only thing I dont understand is where were the traitorous dems during WWI and WWII and Korea. They've been running and siding with the enemy before and since.
I used to work in DC. The den
April 2, 2007 - 20:51 ET by ahusserI used to work in DC. The denizens of that City are always crying for statehood (just what we need 2 super liberal Senators and a super liberal congressman in perpetuity). But I always felt they should aim higher (a la Vermont) and decide to become their own country that way they would need a passport to enter the country.
I have never understood it, g
April 2, 2007 - 21:29 ET by BDI have never understood it, give the District back to maryland if they wish to have representation.
It is not like we do not have similar federal installations in other states. (Fort Hood in Texas is larger than the District....)
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