(Updated) Saturday, CNN Headline News ran a repeat of Glenn Beck’s March 27 show, which showed footage of some of the images that ran behind Elton John during his elaborate 60th birthday bash at Madison Square Garden that included a burning church. This is the same man who said that religion promotes hatred and “it’s not very compassionate.” Beck discussed the very tolerant and “compassionate” concert:
On Sunday, he performed -- it`s the lord`s day -- at Madison Square Garden with this image running behind him. Yes, that would be a burning church. Now, I know you`re at home thinking, "Gee, Glenn, isn`t Elton John the guy who said he`d ban all religion because it turns people into hateful lemmings?" Yes, same guy.
Beck discussed the images with Andrea Lafferty, executive director of the Traditional Values Coalition, who called the act a “hate crime.”
BECK: Tell me about the burning of the church on stage.
LAFFERTY: Well, you know, that`s against the law in America. That is a hate crime, a so-called hate crime. And, you know, although they want to use this upcoming hate crime law to silence pastors and Christians, but Elton doesn`t get it.
(CROSSTALK)
BECK: Hang on. There has got to be an attorney out there that says, "Oh, I`d like to file that as a hate crime." There`s got to be somebody out there that wants to take that on.
LAFFERTY: It`s hateful. But, you know, Glenn, a lot of us grew up liking Elton John.
BECK: I love him.
LAFFERTY: He`s no longer the Elton John that we knew. He`s a guy who has a personal agenda, who hates God, who hates Christians, who hates people of faith, and he`s going to use his money to spout this.
The traditional media that insist on selecting speech and images to label as intolerant, should at least be even-handed. Why haven’t they covered this example of religious intolerance or “hate speech,” particularly when it is perpetrated by a celebrity who frequently “speaks out” against hate speech and who is a vocal supporter of self-described anti-bigotry groups like Human Rights Campaign?
Let’s flip this around; if country artist Toby Keith displayed a burning mosque at a concert, it is highly unlikely that the media would be this indifferent. Comparing how the media treated the false story of the desecrated Koran at Guantanamo Bay perfectly illustrates the inequity in the portrayal of intolerance or hate speech.
The distinct disinterest in anti-Christian bias is evident in the media treatment of an incident which would be considered bigotry and perhaps hate speech if the image targeted any other religion or group.
UPDATE:
NB reader Peter D was at John’s concert and says that the image of the burning church was displayed during John’s 1970 song “Burn Down the Mission,” a song which seems to take place in the North American Old West. A group of people without supplies are planning to “burn down the mission” and watch “the red flame light the sky,” where “the rich man sleeps” to get his “fat stock” and goods because it’s their “only chance of living.”
This song and album were well-received, but what if “mosque” was plugged in for “mission?” Obviously, that’s would never occur, but what happens when a song's implied religion is Islam or if “polarizing” Toby Keith showed a burning mosque at a concert during either of his two “controversial” 9/11-themed songs?
The media called Keith’s patriotic fist-pumper, “Courtesy of the Red, White and Blue,” “mean” and “an ugly picture.” The Washington Post’s reviewer Joe Heim spat, “there can’t be any excusing his venomous jingoism.”According to Keith, it was so poorly received among the media that ABC News’ Peter Jennings cancelled Keith’s appearance at a 9/11 4th of July concert because of the lyric content. Keith’s anti-Taliban anthem, “The Taliban Song” was even said to border on “candy-coated hate speech,” and its success was called “the great American nightmare.”
The purpose of noting this dichotomy is not to say that John isn’t “allowed” to show the image. Christianity is strong enough to co-exist with free speech without riots; our focus is the imbalance in treatment. There is a clear difference in how songs with religious undertones are received when the religion is not Christianity, but Islam.














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Elton and Madonna
April 1, 2007 - 11:45 ET by Pragmatic-ManElton and Madonna, both taking obtuse liberties with their manifest expression of hatred at Christianity. Okay, so who is left on my MP3 player that is not a Bush-basher or a prosecutor of Christians? And my friends wonder why I listen to country music.
Johnny Cash will never let
April 1, 2007 - 14:53 ET by 1sttofightJohnny Cash will never let you down.
Johnny Cash was cool!
April 1, 2007 - 15:09 ET by Carl Kolchak"I wear the black for those who never read,
Or listened to the words that Jesus said,
About the road to happiness through love and charity,
Why, you'd think He's talking straight to you and me."
'Man in Black'
Go for Baroque. Mozart has
April 1, 2007 - 15:41 ET by zhombreGo for Baroque. Mozart has stood the test of time. Pop crap rots your mind.
isn't hate speech a crime in
April 1, 2007 - 13:30 ET by buddycisn't hate speech a crime in new york? it is in california. is it possible for citizens to make a citizen's arrest there?
It is only possible to make a
April 1, 2007 - 13:33 ET by James2306It is only possible to make a citizens arrest with the approval of a witnessing official law-enforcement officer present now. Thank you President Carter for that trash legislation.
The hottest places in hell are oft reserved for those who in times of moral crisis remain neutral
It's only hate speech if you'
April 1, 2007 - 19:40 ET by mostlymoderateIt's only hate speech if you're white and your speech is directed at blacks, jews, or latinos. For instance, a latino can't be cited for hate speech toward a black, and vice versa. A black can't be cited for comments against a white person. And NOBODY can be cited for hate-speech against Christians, mormons, Buddhists, or Scientology.
Elton will be the first in li
April 1, 2007 - 13:30 ET by Clear thinkerElton will be the first in line to take a bite out of the genitals of the chocolate Jesus.
The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.
NO, But he will spend a lot
April 1, 2007 - 14:54 ET by 1sttofightNO, But he will spend a lot of time licking on them.
Rubbish
April 1, 2007 - 14:00 ET by PeterDFirst let me say I am a longtime Newsbusters member and frequently post comments on the site. I am a conservative and probably one of a handful of registered Republicans in Manhattan. I am also a long time Elton John fan.
No controversy here. Beck and Lafferty are making a big deal out of nothing. How do I know? Well I was actually at the concert. The image appeared during the song, "Burn Down The Mission", a song that first appeared on his western themed album "Tumbleweed Connection" back in 1972. Its also a fan favorite when performed live because the song starts out slow, builds and then rocks out at the end. It is not an anti religious song. Beck and Lafferty should really know their facts before they speak.
What was more offensive was Bill Clinton being introduced by Whoopi Goldberg as "the last great president of the United States." It seemed that all of Madison Square Garden gave Cinton a standing ovation. Everyone that is except my girlfriend and I who remained seated, much to the consternation of those around us.
The image was only part of Gl
April 1, 2007 - 14:07 ET by BW222The image was only part of Glenn Beck's report. Elton John also rented St. John the Devine Episcopal Cathedral in NYC, where he held his 60th birthday party in the sanctuary area.
And who rented it to him? T
April 1, 2007 - 14:15 ET by botgAnd who rented it to him? To paraphase the boss man of Cool Hand Luke;
What we have heare is a fail-yur to excommunicate
It's actually St John the D
April 1, 2007 - 15:45 ET by zhombreIt's actually St John the Divine. There is however a Saint Andy the Devine Cathedral in Nebraska. Key concept here is it is an Episcopal Church, the American branch of that faith being ultra lib. Episcopal services are like Catholic Mass only without attendance. They can rent out their cathedral and sanctuary because otherwise, it's not in use.
Nebraska cathedral
April 1, 2007 - 15:53 ET by misterbillSt. Andy the devine--isn't Reverend Froggy the minister there??
No, Rev Froggy went to Heav
April 1, 2007 - 16:40 ET by zhombreNo, Rev Froggy went to Heaven and Rev Jingles took over the pulpit.
b-day in the sanctuary?
April 1, 2007 - 16:29 ET by Pragmatic-ManElton had his birthday bash in the cathedral sanctuary? Okay, if this is true, I will have to say, that the Episcopalians should be condemning this act as an abomination. The sanctuary is a consecrated place, holy and sacred, in both Christianity and Judaism. The gall of having a birthday party there is far beyond the pale. Forget the issues of the burning church, when you've got the Church selling out the sanctuary for some celeb gala. If you want to celebrate birthdays in the sanctuary, show up on Christmas day, you can even wear the silly hat, but leave the noise-makers at home.<br><br>Have the Episcopals gone completely mad with their gay agenda?
You've not heard of Bishop Sh
April 1, 2007 - 18:55 ET by botgYou've not heard of Bishop Shelby Sprong? This is small potatoes compared his apostate viewpoints.
i know it bothers me when peo
April 1, 2007 - 14:12 ET by botgi know it bothers me when people take things out of context for a pretext of an arguement. Thanks for the context. And as you noted there is enough legitimate offense to be found with Elton.
Not anti religious Peter?
April 1, 2007 - 14:14 ET by acumen" It is not an anti religious song."
Oh really? Your denial is not proof. Please be so kind as to explain to the class what the words mean. In my opinion it is not only anti religious but a bit marxist as well. So please offer your explanation to clear things up for me.
You tell me there's an angel in your tree,
Did he say he'd come to call on me?
For things are getting desperate in our home, living in the parish of the restless folks i know.
Now everybody, bring your family down to the riverside,
look to the east to see where the fat stock hide,
behind four walls of stone the rich man sleeps
it's time we put the flame torch to their keep
Burn down the mission
If we're gonna stay alive
Watch the black smoke fly to heaven
See the red flame light the sky
Burn down the mission
Burn it down to stay alive
It's our only chance of living
Take all you need to live inside
Deep in the woods the squirrels are out today
My wife cried when they came to take me away
But what more could I do just to keep her warm
Than burn burn burn burn down the mission walls
well there we go in contextex
April 1, 2007 - 14:18 ET by botgwell there we go in context
excellent
reply
April 1, 2007 - 14:28 ET by PeterDSo how is this anti-relilgious? This is such a non-issue. Beck and Lafferty are wondering why the media ignored this alleged story. The song is only 35 years old.
An anti-religious story is the chocolate Jesus story and if you look at Friday's open thread at 12:07 you can see the beginning of my posts asking where is the chocolate Muhammed. I was going to protest the gallery before they cancelled the exhibition. That is an anti-religious, anti-Christian story.
One more time Peter
April 1, 2007 - 15:11 ET by acumenOK, OK, calm down. I merely asked you to back-up your claim that the song is "not anti-religious". I'm not sure how the age of the song relates to it being anti-religious or pro-religious. I think the words speak for themselves and are timeless. I've never known Elton to be pro-Christian and I have been listening to his music since his first album, Elton John, came out in 1970. Although I am quite familiar with his anti-religion words and actions such as the one linked to by Lynn.
I'm sorry but when I read;
Burn down the mission
Burn it down to stay alive
It's our only chance of living
Take all you need to live inside.
I immediately think of someone promoting the torching of a Christian mission. Why Christian? Maybe because of a preceeding verse; "living in the parish of the restless folks i know." Parish? Mission? Sure sounds like religious terms to me.
So putting it all together, the song is about promoting the burning down of a Christian mission to stay alive. Am I missing something here that you are not telling me? If so, as I asked previously, please explain to me your interpretation of the words.
I'm not trying to argue. You may very well be right. If you are right, I couldn't be more pleased. But your simple denial hasn't offered the proof I need to make the call.
Once again, I ask you to explain the words Bernie wrote and Elton sang to back up your "not anti religious" reaction.
reply
April 1, 2007 - 15:29 ET by PeterDI'm perfectly calm, LOL. Its you and some of the other posters that are making such a mountain range out of a molehill. Read down a wee bit further and find the answer you seek....
THIS IS THE TROLL ALERT SYSTEM. THIS IS NOT A TEST!
April 1, 2007 - 15:32 ET by Free StinkerOh great.
Message after message with a subject of "reply".
3 bags full.
Up on the mountain Peter
April 1, 2007 - 16:02 ET by acumenNot trying to get anal on this but I searched the whole thread and have yet to find your interpretation of the words that would indicate the song is not "anti religious" Peter.
I did catch your comment with the seemingly pro religious lyrics. But I still think, and like I said I could be wrong, you are missing the whole point.
Was Elton showing a church being built or burning down? That was the whole point of Lynn's post. We would not be having this conversation if he had shown a church being built. No real surprise there. I would find it hard to envision singing the lyrics and supporting those lyrics without showing anything but a "mission" being burnt down. And that is the point. Elton was showing a burning church. Now you can spin it any way you want but I find it amazing you would interpret that as "not anti religious". I find the burning of a church to be disrespectful, bigoted, hateful, indifferent and offensive to most religous people and yes, anti religious. I believe that is the point Beck and Lynn are trying to make. Of course I find Elton to be all of the above as well. Did you ever see the documentary on Elton - what a beotch. But we'll turn that molehill into a mountain another day.
That said, I am off to listen to some real rock and roll - now what did I do with that Best of Bob Seger CD.........
Reply
April 1, 2007 - 16:12 ET by PeterDWell acumen, following the inane logic of this entire thread, I guess the late great Johnny Cash was pro-murder when he sang:
"I shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die."
Enjoy the Seger CD. Its great.
I am sorry but taking one lin
April 1, 2007 - 16:19 ET by James2306I am sorry but taking one line out of a song and saying that crap while your opponent takes the entire song you are defending and uses it is the worst kind of sophistry there is are you really that ignorant?
The hottest places in hell are oft reserved for those who in times of moral crisis remain neutral
reply
April 1, 2007 - 16:24 ET by PeterDAhh James, judge not lest yee be judged. Read every comment on this entire thread. Reflect on this Palm Sunday, and try not to call other people ignorant.
Then please try not to say an
April 1, 2007 - 16:28 ET by James2306Then please try not to say anything about a man whos too dead to defend himself.
The hottest places in hell are oft reserved for those who in times of moral crisis remain neutral
reply
April 1, 2007 - 16:37 ET by PeterDJames, I love Johnny Cash. There's no knock on him. Its only song lyrics. I would think that with Islamic fascism running rampant around the world, the MSM declaring war on conservatism and President Bush, hostages taken illegally in Iran, secular-progressives winning battles against Christianity, Democrats surrendering in Iraq, and the future of our great country and the free world at stake, we would have more to worry about, better battles to wage.
It appears Peter has the balboa problem
April 1, 2007 - 21:07 ET by SportPoliticsIt appears Peter has the balboa problem, and cannot possibly bring himself to admit he is wrong.
That was classic, after the lyrics were posted by another, Peter the temp-lib in denial babbled " So how is this anti-religious? "
roflmao - Man, if I didn't see it, I wouldn't believe it. That's like 100% balboa !
"I hear the train a-comi
April 1, 2007 - 20:47 ET by Ten7sThe only "inane logic" in this thread is your's.
Gotta hand it Johnny Cash
April 1, 2007 - 21:10 ET by SportPoliticsGotta hand it to Johnny Cash.
That's the kind of entertainer we need more of. Good music with good lessons. Love it. Give that man a star. Glad to see more.
One of my favorite movies is " The Rundown ".
Johnny Cash has a song in there " Don't take your guns to town boy, leave your guns at home, don't take your guns to town...."
More Inane thought
April 1, 2007 - 21:19 ET by acumenPeter - I must have missed that Johnny Cash concert where they showed someone being shot to death. Sorry, I slipped up and actually referenced THE POINT of this "inane" thread.
Your song
April 1, 2007 - 14:04 ET by acumenAnd you can tell everybody, this is your song......
The only conclusion one can draw is that the media must agree with Elton; that burning Christian churches is acceptable behavior. Of course, we haven't gotten the final word yet from Katie Couric's daughter.
Now someone please remind me again why Muslims call us the great satan.
Elton is past his prime.
April 1, 2007 - 14:04 ET by MidAmericaElton is past his prime. He's living off past accomplishments.
He's now just a celebrity. Celebrities will do about anything, good or bad, to keep their name in the spotlight.
this is non-story
April 1, 2007 - 14:53 ET by JnobleLike the previous poster, I am a conservative and love this site but I am also a huge fan of Elton's music. This is not worth arguing about gang, trust me. That song has been around since 1972 and it's NOT anti-religous. Elton didn't even write the words, his long time lyricist Bernie Taupin did. The song is about a slavery Civil War era struggle of people trying to escape their masters by burning down their compound. Nothing more. If there was a church burning showing, it was to go along with the lyrics and not to make any kind of commentary about anything current or controversial.
Elton does not hate Chrisitanity and recently said in an interview that all he meant from his comments last year was that the murderous fanaticism in certain religions was what prompted his anger. He himself belives in Christ.
As for the last poster, Elton will never be the superstar top of the charts artist that he was in the mid-70s, but his most recent album, The Captain And the Kid is easily one of the best, if not THE best quality album he's made since 1975. He can't sing as high or move about the stage like he once did, but take a listen to that album. It's wonderful.
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April 1, 2007 - 15:06 ET by PeterDThank you Jnoble for supporting me. I thought I would take it one step further for people who have reacted on this post for one Elton John song that has been taken out of context. From his album 21 at 33, these are the lyrics to his song "Dear God". If "Burn Down The Mission" is going to be perceived as an anti religious song and Elton John branded as anti-Christian, then the secular- progressive media should blast him as a pro-religious zealot when the read the lyrics to this song...
Dear God, are you there
Can you hear me, do you care
Dear God, here are we
Less than perfect, far from free
Oh we take what we get and we don't take no more
But we sometimes forget what it was you created us for
Dear God, now's the time
If you're listening, show some sign
Dear God, hear me plead
Don't desert us in our need
Dear God, lend a hand
Is this really what you planned
Dear God, in you we trust
Though we've failed you, don't fail us
Oh we take what we get but we can't take much more
Do you sometimes forget what it was you created us for, dear God
I hope and pray you'll lead us to a brighter day
Out of the darkness and light up our way, dear God
I hope and pray you'll lead us to a better way
Love is the answer so light up our way, dear God
Light up our way dear God, dear God
Love is the answer so light up our way, dear God
Shame on Beck and Lafferty, and even Lynn Davidson for attempting to stir up an issue from a non-issue, especially when there are so many real isses we need to focus on.
Is this a conservative site?
April 1, 2007 - 17:20 ET by RODVALThe logic here would not surprize me if this were KOS.
As I understand it the following shows this song is not anti-christian:
1. It was written in 1972.
2. It wasn't written by the artist singing it on stage with a burning church in the background.
3. It is proven that Johnny Cash once sung a possibly anti-christian line in one song.
4. Elton John made some very anti-religious remarks that were clearly not anti-religious??
5. The bloggers defending Elton have prior conservative credentials and they like Elton.
6. Elton once sang a pro-religious song.
I guess that proves Elton is a practicing (bisexual?) christian.
I would like to see him standing in front of a burning mosque and watch the different take on this by all his defenders. That would be fun.
Your last line....
April 1, 2007 - 17:33 ET by Guy Arthur ThomasYour last line points to the purpose of Newsbusters....you said:
"I would like to see him standing in front of a burning mosque and watch
the different take on this by all his defenders. That would be fun."
And of course Newsbusters points out the consistent bias of the MsM in failing to report in the same context such offenses when they involve those they have chosen to protect from the criticisms they impose on others. Yes, in fact CBS, ABC, NBC...Chris Matthews and Keith Goobermann would indeed be all over it, shocked, dismayed and befuddled...and though it might be a mild offense toward Christendom your very point, that it is toward Christendom and not Muslims is the very reason it is reported with an absence criticism and why Newsbusters exists.
Shut up and blog! If you claim to be a conservative, please don't disgrace yourself and conservatism by thinking and arguing like a liberal. Go Rudy!
I agree. My other points def
April 1, 2007 - 17:49 ET by RODVALI agree.
My other points defend logic versus just being an Elton fan on a conservative site.
Re-reading makes me think I wasn't as clear as I thought.
I'm also having trouble with my ISP and can't stay logged in.
Peter, The Elton John song th
April 1, 2007 - 18:53 ET byPeter,
The Elton John song that you posted is not a song praising God, but rather mocking and challenging God.
Note the verse where the writer of the song asks if God sometimes forgets what He created us for? One verse asks if we remember, but the other asks if God forgets. Such is mocking God, talking down to God, being condescending to God.
The song is also singing from the point of a view of an angry American, saying, "far from free" and "in you we trust." And it implies that God would fail America because, in the writer’s view, we Americans failed God. –Of course that failure that America has done, would be what the writer of the song, sees as failure. (Yes I realize Elton John is not American, but such does not stop many artists, when they are trying to get inside the heads of Americans.)
The song ends with asking God to lead us to a 'brighter day,' and it says that 'love is the answer.' The writer is basically telling God that God has not given us what we need, which is love.
We, who are Christians, know that God is Love and that He gave His only begotten son. However, such is not what the homosexual wants. The homosexual wants God to embrace the homosexual's sin. The homosexual wants God to force us all to embrace the homosexual's sin. To the homosexual’s, love is the embracing of the homosexual's sin.
Burning a church in the background, while singing this song, would have been an artists' way of saying, Christianity is not the answer, being part of the body of Christ is not the answer, but rather 'love' is the answer. (And that 'love' is the embracing of the artist’s sin.)
Debra...
you do know
April 2, 2007 - 07:03 ET by JnobleElton didn't write the lyrics for this one either, Gary Osbourne did. Also, this song sucks. It came out during one of Eltons creative droughts. I hate it :-)
Where is the link to this pic
April 1, 2007 - 18:00 ET by ZoneDaiatlasWhere is the link to this picture?
Yeah, was wondering that also
April 1, 2007 - 18:32 ET by dahliatraversYeah, was wondering that also.
I went googling for an elaboration by Bernie Taupin or Elton John about the lyrics. There are interpretations by others but nothing first hand from them. Perhaps there is such and I missed it.
I prayed for years for Elton
April 1, 2007 - 18:16 ET byI prayed for years for Elton John to walk away from that sinfulness and to get saved. He is a fool, who with his folly, will burn in hell, if he does not turn from his wickedness and call on Christ in truth.
It may look as if he is loving life, but he is not loving life in the least; he is nothing more than a fool and he knows he is a fool --a rich famous fool, but nonetheless, a fool.
He thinks if he could just get rid of all of us who know he is a hell-bound sin-driven fool, that some how he would no longer see himself as just that; but nothing will free him, nothing but calling on Christ in truth.
Debra...
www.InformingChristians.com
Here's the deal folks. Jews
April 1, 2007 - 20:19 ET by mostlymoderateHere's the deal folks. Jews have the ADL. Blacks have the NAACP. Latinos have La Raza. Muslims have CAIR. Who does the Christian have to protect them? The Catholic League??? lol, give me a break. Anyone out their that is motivated enough and aggresive should start a Christian Defamation League. Seriously, Christians are getting beat up left and right in America.
That's brilliant, MM!
April 1, 2007 - 20:31 ET by RJThat's brilliant, MM!
Well it worries me, you know?
April 1, 2007 - 20:42 ET by mostlymoderateWell it worries me, you know? I mean, I know I could be a better Christian and all; however, I still take offense at when Christianity takes a beating by others (especially Hollywood). The Catholic League has an agenda only for the "Catholic Church" and I think that all denominations need to ban-together and create a "media watchdog" for Christianity in "general". For example, the Chocolate Jesus really ticked me off. Elton John burning a "church" should be viewed as inciting terrorism. Had that been a synogogue, the ADL would be in a frenzy (as they should be). Sometimes I wish I had more time to start a 'CDL' myself, but I have too much work as it is. :-)
I was SERIOUS when I called i
April 1, 2007 - 20:50 ET by RJI was SERIOUS when I called it brilliant, MM. I agree with everything you said in the post. Right now, the defense of Christianity is too fractured. Also, if the right person started it, and it was set up properly, the donations would flood in.
I know you were serious :-)
April 1, 2007 - 21:06 ET by mostlymoderateI know you were serious :-) I think the key to success for the organization would that it wouldn't 'preach' religion at all. It would simply be a defense group for *all* Christian believers. Lawyers, like myself, could even get involved. Kinda like the Anti-Defamation League operates whereas they don't actually *teach* Judaism, they only defend it.
something like the ACLJ ?
April 1, 2007 - 21:13 ET by botgsomething like the ACLJ ?
The American Center for Law a
April 1, 2007 - 21:21 ET by mostlymoderateThe American Center for Law and Justice, from what I know, is a nice group of attoneys. I don't think they only focus on Christian defamation. Do they? I am not sure. And you rarely here about them like you do the NAACP, ADL, Wiesenthal, or CAIR (ofcourse, that might be the fault of the media's bias).
i think a broader conservativ
April 1, 2007 - 21:24 ET by botgi think a broader conservative values base
free speech in schools, pro-life etc
Yeah, I know they have their
April 1, 2007 - 21:30 ET by mostlymoderateYeah, I know they have their hands full.
Agree RJ
April 1, 2007 - 21:15 ET by acumenI agree RJ. When supposed conservatives are asking "what's the big deal" about showing a church burning at a concert, then we definitely have a serious problem. Until someone reinvents a new wheel, I'll continue to support the Catholic League. It is truly a shame the "fractured" Christian church doesn't do the same. Some might find it hard to believe, but we are all in this together.
Speak of the devil. I just went to dictionary.com and there was an add to watch the Elton John concert in NY. Coincidence?
Well, MM, that sounds great i
April 1, 2007 - 20:52 ET by Indiana JoeWell, MM, that sounds great in theory. But of course, any such organization would immediately be labeled and lambasted as "intolerant" by virtue of it's very existence. Much as would be any "National Association for the Advancement of White People". Or a "United Caucasian College Fund." How about a "Miss White America" pageant? You get the idea.
Like I said, great in theory....
I know you are right, and tha
April 1, 2007 - 21:03 ET by mostlymoderateI know you are right, and that makes me a little sad. In fact, I am sure lots of others have already tried to get a Christian Defense League started and it was PROBABLY labeled a nazi, skinhead, racist, white-supremacy group. Oh boy, the times we live in, eh?
I was just on the "Karl
April 1, 2007 - 21:10 ET by Indiana JoeI was just on the "Karl Rove" dancing thread, and came across this one: the "National Association of Black Journalists." How about the Congressional Black Caucus? I mean, the list goes on and on and on...
THIS is how we progress to being "judged not by the color of [our] skin, but by the content of [our] character?"
MLK spins....
Oh I know! DId you know that
April 1, 2007 - 21:16 ET by mostlymoderateOh I know! DId you know that a "white" politician (think he was a Democratic too) tried to join the Congressional Black Caucus recently and they said he couldn't join?? Look THAT up on the Internet. Amazing, the hypocracy of some of these minority groups.
Yeah, heard about that one. H
April 1, 2007 - 21:55 ET by Indiana JoeYeah, heard about that one. He was from a district with a lot of blacks, so he thought he should be in the caucus as their representative. But no deal. The CBC doesn't care about THOSE blacks.
Simply amazing how twisted the whole "civil rights" movement has become.
The million-dollar question i
April 2, 2007 - 01:49 ET by mostlymoderateThe million-dollar question is whether they would let Bill Clinton in, considering he was the first black president :-)
NB reader Peter D was at John
April 2, 2007 - 14:50 ET by JDWNB reader Peter D was at John’s concert and says that the image of the burning church was displayed during John’s 1970 song “Burn Down the Mission,” a song which seems to take place in the North American Old West. A group of people without supplies are planning to “burn down the mission” and watch “the red flame light the sky,” where “the rich man sleeps” to get his “fat stock” and goods because it’s their “only chance of living.”
This song and album were well-received, but what if “mosque” was plugged in for “mission?” Obviously, that’s would never occur, but what happens when a song's implied religion is Islam or if “polarizing” Toby Keith showed a burning mosque at a concert during either of his two “controversial” 9/11-themed songs?
Somebody is not only reaching but not doing their homework. Bernie Taupin/Elton John albums focused on themes. You are attempting to make a foreign theory coincide with this album's theme and it doesn't.
JDW
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How did I not do my homework
April 3, 2007 - 09:52 ET by Lynn DavidsonHow did I not do my homework and overreach? I'm afraid I really don't know what you mean; you need to be a little more specific.
According to several mainstream reviews that I based that interpretation on, the entire album was about the American South and the North American Old West. So if I didn't do my homework and overreached, then so did they. What part of those paragraphs do you have a problem? Please be a little more specific.
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April 4, 2007 - 12:03 ET by PeterDLynn:
You are overreaching and I will explain why. So was Glenn Beck.
Firstly, I did not state the image was indeed a burning church. Some like Beck are interpreting the image that way, which is fine. The point of your thread seems to raise the issue that the MSM ignored the image, but would not have if it were a mosque.
I don’t want to be in the position of defending the MSM, but they ignored the story because it was a non-story. Elton John is not a relevant performer anymore. He hasn’t had a chart topping hit in ages. If you want to interpret that one song as anti-Christian, then perhaps it should have been protested 35 years ago when it first appeared an his record. The MSM did not however, ignore the Madonna crucifixion controversy which forced NBC into deleting the scene from her TV special. They do not ignore all anti-Christian stories.
Your comment about Toby Keith is accurate, but that because he is a much more relevant performer. I applauded the way he stood up to the Dixie Chicks and I applaud the way he wraps himself in America. But to compare him to the one Elton John song is truly apples and oranges.
Also I want to state that I am a life long conservative and I frequently post comments on NB. I was very disappointed by the way some others attacked me here and had difficulty comprehending what I was saying. My goodness, I certainly wasn’t attacking Johnny Cash, another of my favorites.
Do I believe Christianity is under attack and has been under attack for ages? Absolutely. We are constantly under assault and we need to remain vigilant. All I was trying to say was that this particular issue truly is a non-issue when so many more battles are out there that need to be waged.
Are you saying that the image
April 4, 2007 - 18:33 ET by Lynn DavidsonAre you saying that the image in question shown durning "BDtM" was not a burning church, or that the image of a burning church was shown during another song? I described the image as a burning church, and you volunteered that "the image appeared during the song, "Burn Down The Mission." To me, that is a confirmation.
It doesn’t matter if John is not a relevant performer anymore. It he were a similar non-liberal, over-the-hill singer with a history of making remarks that “insult” Islam who then showed the image of a burning mosque during a song that advocated the destruction of a sacred Islamic symbol, do you really think that activist groups and the media would ignore this story as they did the one about John? You know what that answer is. That is the point, not that Elton John said disrespectful things and showed an image of a burning church. As I said in my post, the purpose of writing about this isn’t to say that John isn’t “allowed” to criticize or even ridicule Christianity, it is the special treatment given to Islam. Our ability to criticize or satirize (South Park) religion changes when the religion is Islam.
I think you are confusing chart-topping success with relevance. Chart-topper Toby Keith is only relevant to the MSM when he’s criticized by the Dixie Chicks, otherwise he doesn’t exist. Liberal activist Elton John, is relevant to the MSM. Go to several media websites and search for each one. Keith might as well be Milli Vannili.
Lynn:I officially give up thi
April 4, 2007 - 19:05 ET by PeterDLynn:
I officially give up this conversation. You don't understand my point so I must not be communicating effectively. But I respectfully disagree with you and repeat that we have bigger battles to fight than this one.