When Rosie O’Donnell wasn’t urging the Googling of the Gulf of Tonkin Incident on ABC's "The View" on Monday, she was boasting of her knowledge of the Old Testament, based on her weekly private Bible study. She told Elisabeth Hasselbeck she could whip her in Jeopardy on the Bible.
The topic was teaching the Bible in public schools, as discussed in newspapers (and in this week’s Time magazine cover story). Like many secular journalists, Barbara Walters asserted "I know nothing about the Bible, and I think most people don’t." Joy Behar insisted "you can’t teach it as nonfiction. You have to teach it as fiction in many ways." When challenged about how the Bible could be taught, Behar blurted out: "People masturbate anyway."
Justin McCarthy transcribed the long exchange, a window into how America assesses the Scriptures:
ROSIE O’DONNELL: We are back and we were reading in the paper today, there is an interesting article about should Bible, the Bible be taught in school? Yeah and it's an interesting discussion. Of course, in the country we have separation of church and state. So in public school I would probably say no, because, you know, we have a separation of church and state.
JOY BEHAR: That's why we have religious schools.
BARBARA WALTERS: But the example- when I first read the headline, I thought no. But then it said that it was, I think, an optional course. And I thought I wish I'd taken it. I mean, I know nothing about the Bible, and I think most people don’t. And I think if it's an optional course, especially if it's in high school, then I think that's fine. It's one more thing that you're learning. It's not necessarily imposing a particular religion.
ELISABETH HASSELBECK: What if it's the part of like a larger study of, you know, different books?
BEHAR: The Koran.
HASSELBECK: If you did your own objective study.
WALTERS: If you do comparative religion and you have the Bible and the Koran.
HASSELBECK: Maybe.
BEHAR: Well, I think you should, you have to teach the Bible as, you can't teach it as nonfiction. You have to teach it as fiction in many ways. Because it was written. It’s written in stories.
WALTERS: Many people disagree with you. I mean people, many people believe, many people Evangelicals and, and Orthodox Jews believe that what is in the Torah, many believe was written by God and that this is not fiction. So, I mean, that's very disputable depending upon your religious beliefs.
BEHAR: I read the Bible as a kid because I was Catholic, we read the missal.
WALTERS: There are people live their lives following every word of the Bible.
BEHAR: I know, but do people really believe that Noah actually had that boat with those animals?
WALTERS: Yes.
[audience laughter]
HASSELBECK: Yes and, I mean, just from a literary stand point alone this is-
BEHAR: Yeah, literally?
O’DONNELL: Yes.
HASSELBECK: But hang on. Wait a minute. Listen to me.
BEHAR: It's a wonderful animal story about a nice man who brought the animals. Who did the pooper scooping, I don't know, but besides that it’s a great story. Why does it have to be exactly? It’s metaphorical.
HASSELBECK: Just from the literary standpoint alone. I mean, this is the best-selling book of all time, probably the most influential. If it were "The Secret"-
O’DONNELL: Bigger than "The Secret."
HASSELBECK: Yes exactly. Now they want to put this into high school studies. I'm sure people are talking about every other best-seller and those make their way into the curriculum. This would be something that probably warrants it just based on a literary perspective.
BEHAR: Well then in a literature course maybe. In college it should be taught. I don't think that it should be taught in high schools as truth.
WALTERS: But Joy, that's your opinion. To many people, everything- the virgin birth, I mean, it is faith and what is in the Bible, there are many, many people in our soci- who believe, who live their lives because it is in the Bible. You don’t happen to agree.
BEHAR: I understand that. But if I'm a Muslim, I don’t happen to believe in the virgin birth. I'm not a Muslim. But if I were. So I take the position of a Muslim right now. I don't want my kids learning –
HASSELBECK: Even if you’re a Muslim though. Don’t you want the information?
WALTERS: They don't have to. It is optional.
HASSELBECK: If you wanted to argue against the Bible on any, on any plane, wouldn't you want as much information on what you're arguing against? I think this could actually enable people into a very intellectual conversation.
BEHAR: But what I’m saying is teach it in a literature class, not a religion class, that's all.
HASSELBECK: You were a teacher right? So what if it were in the curriculum to teach the Bible and you feel as you do now? How would you handle that?
BEHAR: I would teach it as interesting stories that people wrote over many years and we can learn many morals. Some of it are incorrect. Some might be correct.
HASSELBECK: So I think the problem in terms of teaching the Bible-
WALTERS: We are still having problems --
BEHAR: Onanism's in the Bible. People masturbate anyway. [laughter] That's Onanism. That was something in the Bible. So what?
[applause]
HASSELBECK: Look at the faces out there.
O’DONNELL: Joy, I've just got to say, I’ve just got to say, that was just like my mother-in-law. You can be talking about one thing and out of nowhere -- I don't think the Bible should be in it because people masturbate. What the Hell?
BEHAR: Because if you listen to what I said, and the reason I got an applause, is because the audience understood me. I got an applause.
WALTERS: Because you were funny.
HASSELBECK: Half of them applauded and half of them passed out.
O’DONNELL: Say one thing and I have a give away, go.
WALTERS: One of the biggest discussions today in the 21st century is whether evolution is real and exists or does not and that everything was planned in seven days by God. At this point, it is still one of the most divisive subjects in this country.
O’DONNELL: And I have been studying the Old Testament for four years once a week in private study, just so you know. I have because I didn’t know anything about it. Again, Catholic, you just read the missalette.
HASSELBECK: I’m impressed you’re reading more than I am.
O’DONNELL: I know, and I could probably go on "Jeopardy" and beat you in the Bible column.
For the record, it should be noted that O’Donnell was wrong to imply that if you just read a Catholic missal or missalette, you don’t have any reading of the Old Testament. Every daily and Sunday mass includes a reading from the Old Testament, not to mention a psalm.
—Tim Graham is Director of Media Analysis at the Media Research Center
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I swear, the more of these va
March 27, 2007 - 09:26 ET by HelenSI swear, the more of these vacuums you add to the equation, the lower the total I.Q. you come up with.
"If you want to get inside the mind of a liberal, take a book along or you'll be bored to tears!" - me
Behar blurted out "peopl
March 27, 2007 - 09:49 ET by DRM 23Behar blurted out "people masterbate anyway"..........Yeah, I guess there are some things [barbara,rosie and joy] even a gigolo won't do.
DRM -- maybe Deuce Bigalow:
March 27, 2007 - 10:04 ET by Jack BauerDRM -- maybe Deuce Bigalow: Male Gigolo might!
Deuce Bigalow: Where am I supposed to get three THOUSAND dollars in three weeks?
"people masturbate"
March 27, 2007 - 10:57 ET by ts88"people masturbate" What? Thats news to me as a man I never knew that, thanks Joy, ( thats funny thats what I call my hand "Joy" ) Oh did I just say that.
WOW
March 27, 2007 - 10:04 ET by iveseenitallWOW! First I learned all I needed to know about America's foreign and domestic policies, now I can tune in to learn about the Bible. These gals are gurus, especially that Rosie. Her brain is almost as big as her butt. Tune in and turn on, America. Rosie's Pig Pen (a.k.a. The View ) has it all!
NEVER,NEVER trust a liberal
I have never,ever watched the
March 27, 2007 - 11:19 ET by grimmjack66I have never,ever watched the View!...or anything with Rosie...wait she was a massive blob on South Park a few nights ago...but that is it!
Who cares what there morons think...they don't really matter...
HASSELBECK: Yes and, I mean
March 27, 2007 - 10:15 ET by liberal_bug_zapperOk, this exchange got to me.... Hasselbeck was trying to point out the Bible's literary value, and both Behar and O'Donnell proved they have a horrible education by assuming she was saying literally. These women are so stupid.
And, this is one reason why I do not support public schools. Vouchers are the only way to go. The arguments would stop.... except that the left wants public schools to remain, as it is the only way that they can keep up their ranks. It's their only place to indoctrinate our children. I would not send my child to a Christian private school, but I don't believe that Christian children should go without the teachings that their parents want for them.
Vouchers I say, vouchers.
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"We can only reason from what is; we can reason on actualities, but not on possibilities." ~ Thomas Paine
Rosie
March 27, 2007 - 11:15 ET by iveseenitallRosie attended a public high school in the next town over from mine on Long Island. My in-laws went to school with her. She's always been a loud mouth moron. Now she has an even bigger microphone with which to spew her ignorance and stupidity. And you're correct about public schools, bug zapper.
NEVER,NEVER trust a liberal
That's right, they don't kn
March 27, 2007 - 15:24 ET by motherbeltThat's right, they don't know the difference, and yet they think they are so much smarter than everyone else.
I once read about Lynne Cheney giving a speech to a group of women and saying,"This is such an honor for Dick and me" and some Liberal intellectual snorting, and saying to her friend, Hmph! She's not even literate!
And Rosie is full of it if she says that as a Catholic child she read the Missalette. The Missalette is the written version of the Mass every week. If she really had read it, she would know that are two readings from the Old Testament in every Mass, and they are plainly marked as such, with which book they are taken from.
You really have to hand it to
March 27, 2007 - 10:17 ET by winston smithYou really have to hand it to Joy Behar---- she's been trying hard for the last several months, since the addition of Rosie, to maintain her status as The View's most ignorant buffoon. For months I really thought she was losing her edge. But after this statement she's restored my faith in her instinctive idiocy. They could really use Joy's input over at John Edward's blog.
if rosie is such an expert
March 27, 2007 - 10:17 ET by wmccarviif rosie is such an expert on the bible, as she claims, why did she stay so quiet during this entire segment? she only said a few things longer than one sentence. It seems to me that rosie odonnel of all people would be all over this, I mean, she blabs all day long about other things she claims to have knowledge of. if the old testament is such an importnant part of her life, surely she would be more active in this discussion.
"Blaming guns for crime rates is like blaming spoons for Rosie O'Donnell being fat."
QUESTIONS:- Who is O'Donnel's
March 27, 2007 - 10:19 ET by tracheostomyQUESTIONS:
- Who is O'Donnel's Bible teacher?
- Was Onan killed for masturbating?
The last one I know; the first I don't.
Answers:We know its not the P
March 27, 2007 - 10:53 ET by bassndudeAnswers:
We know its not the Pope.
Onan is the engine on my welder.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Answers: What we know.We know
March 27, 2007 - 10:54 ET by bassndudeAnswers: What we know.
We know its not the Pope.
Onan is the engine on my welder.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Onanism
March 27, 2007 - 11:03 ET by CharliedocOnan was NOT punished by God for masturbation.
He was supposed to impregnate the Widow of his deceased brother, but pulled out before the deed was accomplshed and "spilled his seed on the ground."
ergo, coitus interruptus, not masturbation, was the issue.
FYI.
(I have a very large font of near useless trivia)
Does it include the "Hob
March 27, 2007 - 11:22 ET by FastEdDoes it include the "Hobble-do-gee" handbook?
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
onanism
March 27, 2007 - 15:52 ET by LionKingOnanism was really a term for the "spilling of seed". Masturbation meets this criteria.
He was punished for not compl
March 27, 2007 - 22:24 ET by Dan The Man 2He was punished for not completing the marraige as was Jewish law. Under teh law he had to accept his closest relatives wife as his own so she wasnt destitute and had a head of household. The marriage was complete on the wedding bed as is teh custom today and was teh definition of marriage. One of teh ways Christains legally got out of the marriage bonds was a claim that the dirty deed was not done and therefore the marriage null and void.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark. -- save my gun, shoot a liberal.
Thanks Tim. This show is so p
March 27, 2007 - 11:10 ET by Senior ChiefThanks Tim. This show is so pathetic...How could these morons discuss subject that they don't know. They're just making fun of Christians and the Bible, that's all, and of course they're making fun of their own ignorance. Getting paid big bucks for being ignorant, stupid and moron. Only in America! If they really want to be heard, why don't they start insulting the moslems and all people practicing the muslim religion. Now that's going to be hilarious...Hilariously deadly, if they get this to their heads!
Oh by the way, there's no such thing as separartion of church and state. Only the leftoids believes and insist that.
I don't believe in math. Can
March 27, 2007 - 11:11 ET by Hero SquadI don't believe in math. Can that be an optional course?
*****
"Was it a millionaire who said 'Imagine no possessions?'" - Elvis Costello
There seem to be some in thes
March 27, 2007 - 11:25 ET by HelenSThere seem to be some in these threads that deal with Rosie who believe that we should not waste our time talking about her. As though our conversation somehow lends credence to her.
In our defence, I would like to quote Edmund Burke: "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
And if all we can do at this point is talk about her, at least we are keeping her disgusting vacuity and traitorous filth in people's field of view so that we don't forget such ofal exists and maybe, eventually, we can cull the herd.
"If you want to get inside the mind of a liberal, take a book along or you'll be bored to tears!" - me
The reason Rosie was silent d
March 27, 2007 - 11:34 ET by GothampcThe reason Rosie was silent during the exchange is because all she could add to the conversation was the lie that there is "separation of church and state."
Rosie and Joy should be forced to take sensitivity training and learn about the religious beliefs of the founding fathers. I'm sure they would be shocked to learn that in the time of Thomas Jefferson, Sunday church services were held weekly in the Capitol Rotunda.
separation of church and state
March 27, 2007 - 23:04 ET by bantamwaitAnd Catholics fought to get the Bible out of the schools.
And Catholics fought to get the Bible out of the schools.
March 27, 2007 - 23:06 ET by bantamwaitBut "sensitivity training"? Oh, come now.
Barbara Walters asserted &q
March 27, 2007 - 12:56 ET by CrimsonfistedDo not presume to speak for Americans, or for "most people". You disgusted me asking Hugo Chavez for a message for the American people.
WhatAMaroon
Also, she claimed to "kn
March 27, 2007 - 15:19 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveAlso, she claimed to "know nothing about the Bible" but from her subsequent comments, she obviously knows "something" about the Bible, even if it is just some of the figures or themes presented therein. She is trying to not take sides on this issue in an effort to appear neutral.
But, for those of us that are not afraid to admit we are familiar with the Bible (Old and New Testaments) will probably remember this from the New Testament: "So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth." (KJV Revelation 3:16)
Bawbwa Wahwah wants to be lukewarm.
"There is a time to take counsel of your fears, and there is a time to never listen to any fear." --General George S. Patton, Jr.
Rosie reads the Bible? I am
March 27, 2007 - 14:23 ET by Airforce_5_OTime for the View to fade.
Some homosexuals study the Ol
March 27, 2007 - 16:14 ET byAirforce,
Some homosexuals study the Old Testament because of what it says about 'a man lying with a man.' The homosexuals seek to discredit the Bible, by finding other things in the Old Testament to take out of context and mock and or lie about. They do this to try to take away from the seriousness of what they do, in God’s eyes.
The hottest places in hell ar
March 27, 2007 - 23:11 ET by James2306The hottest places in hell are oft reserved for those who in times of moral crisis remain neutral
I think she's looking for loopholes
Rosie reads the Bible?
March 28, 2007 - 12:46 ET by DaMamaIt's been said that W.C. Fields, the great comedic actor from the 1930's, was reading the Bible on this deathbed. A friend asked, "what are you doing reading the Bible"? He replied, "looking for loopholes".
I think Rosie does the same. She's looking for "ammunition" for her cause - to justify her lifestyle. She will not understand any of it because the Bible clearly states that the Word of God is foolishness to those who do not believe. She is not a believer, so she will not understand the rich, life-giving words of the Holy Scripture. Her heart is too hard to understand God's message of love. What a shame!
I would love to hear one of t
March 27, 2007 - 16:10 ET byI would love to hear one of them say that the Koran should be taught as fiction. That would just never happen --they would not be willing to offend Muslims.
Everytime I see these three
March 27, 2007 - 16:26 ET by Richard RomanoEverytime I see these three talking about issues they know nothing about, I get the image from Shakespeare's Macbeth: "Fair is foul, foul is fair." Someone give each of these (Rosie, Behar, Walters) wooden spoons and a big stone cauldron.
I am tired of reading about T
March 27, 2007 - 17:53 ET by msh1973I am tired of reading about The View. We all know that these women are liberals. We give them credence when we spend so much time discussing their views. I am guilty of it myself.
Hi msh...I agree with you.I h
March 27, 2007 - 18:07 ET by bigtimerHi msh...
I agree with you.
I haven't read this at all...and not going to...many more important things are going on in life today...
Iran....Iraq...the Senate just voting to agree to keep a time-table for troop withdrawal with the House...a guaranteed veto from the President.
Dems are nothing but pure defeatists...through and through.
Hey BTif Joy and Rosie can di
March 27, 2007 - 20:13 ET by botgHey BT
if Joy and Rosie can discuss the Bible then we must be qualified to discribe quantom mechanics and string theory. Or maybe we can map the human genome tommorrow.
botg
March 29, 2007 - 01:57 ET by citizen xyes...this is what qualifies Pat Robertson to sell nutrition shakes and GW to declare holy war while getting his science from the leg bench-press record holder. where have you been? they are all entertainers and charlatans. dig deep and you can find people that really care about both politics and religeon...and they ain't up for election. awwe shucks if you still need some snake oil...read the next article.
bt,I hear ya...what is going
March 27, 2007 - 21:08 ET by msh1973bt,
I hear ya...what is going to happen to those British soldiers? What is the deal with Blair, hardly a word from across the pond. Very troubling indeed.
msh...I don't know what is go
March 27, 2007 - 21:51 ET by bigtimermsh...
I don't know what is going to happen to the British troops...they do not know where they are located at from what I have heard...purposely of course.
Blair has made statements today I heard here and there on the news and says if something is not done soon...Iran should prepare for their (Brits) Second Phase...whatever that is!
I am sure more knowledgeable people than me would know the answer to that...but I take it it is serious.
msh...Beckett and Blair
March 27, 2007 - 21:58 ET by bigtimermsh...
Here are a couple links to the latest from Beckett and Blair that I could find real fast!
Hope it helps!http://english.people.com.cn/200703/28/eng20070328_361519.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/27/world/middleeast/27cnd-iran.html?hp
10 more years in Iraq..cuz Jesus wants it ?
March 29, 2007 - 01:40 ET by citizen xpeople who quote the View, watch the view. shame on you. It's entertainment, like fox news and bill maher.
I can name a lot of bible thumpers that should never have opened their mouths or gotten out of bed - let alone be elected. I bet you can too.
Unfortunately you might have elected them, so we have to hear their blasphemy for a few more months.
Yes Rosie is the problem. Have a danish with your latte' and support our troops.
And some monkey brained poste
March 29, 2007 - 09:24 ET by RJAnd some monkey brained posters, like you, Howler, "entertain" themselves by making noise and throwing things.
The Bible as fiction and ev
March 27, 2007 - 22:58 ET by awffp1890The Bible as fiction and everything Rosie spews out as truth? ABC, at what point do ratings take a back seat to common decency? But this is what puts money in their pockets. Any chance a Newsbusters blogger could post the contact info for every company that advertises on this show? If we hurt them in their wallet, this nonsense may come to an end.
"Not for fame or reward, not for place or rank, not lured by ambition or goaded by necessity. But in simple obedience to duty." - From the barracks at Ft. Benning
Thanks, Tim. This was pric
March 27, 2007 - 23:11 ET by bantamwaitThanks, Tim. This was priceless. You can't make this stuff up.
Onanism?
March 28, 2007 - 08:29 ET by Cool ArrowI thought Onan got in trouble with God because he refused to obey a command God had given him; to impregnate his dead brother's widow. But what do I know? Glad Joy Behar set me straight.
Are these women for real???
March 28, 2007 - 12:40 ET by DaMamaI cannot believe this show is still on the air. Why do people watch this drivel? Rosie O'Donnell and Joy Behar have absolutely no credibility whatsoever. Barbara Walters is a joke of her former self. Once a respected journalist, now she comes across as an ignorant has-been. And poor Elizabeth Hasselback! How this poor lady stays on this show is beyond me. She deserves a raise and a Purple Heart for the abuse she has taken from these other 3 incredibly foolish women. I say keep Hasselback and replace these other 3 hens with credible journalists who are not biased and won't spew their hatred instead of intelligently discussing a subject. I haven't watched this show since Rosie joined, and I don't care if my favorite people are on, I refuse to waste my time watching these 3 silly, irrational women.
Poor Ro is feeling old so now
March 31, 2007 - 22:35 ET by 4arrowPoor Ro is feeling old so now she is searching the Bible for a loophole.
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