Can you believe it? ABC displayed a painting depicting Mohammed as a dog, and then had the temerity/stupidity to ask if Muslims would find it offensive. Actually, you can't believe it. ABC did no such thing -- nor is it conceivable it would do so. But displaying a painting depicting Christ as a dog, and wondering whether anyone would find it offensive? Sure. Happened today on Good Morning America. The show ran a segment on a painting by someone named Ron Burns who has recreated da Vinci's Last Supper with dogs substituted for Jesus and his disciples. Even more than the image itself, some will surely find the title that the "artist" gave to his work offensive: "Dinner and Drinks with Son of Dog."

Introducing Burns, weekend co-host Bill Weir said "it's a riff on the Last Supper by Leonardo da Vinci. A whimsicial riff, perhaps? Others, blasphemy."
GMA CO-HOST KATE SNOW: People are calling it blasphemous, anti-Christian, anti-God. One person we talked to said it crossed the line. Did you expect any of that? Did you think when you were doing this piece that maybe you'd ruffle some feathers?"
Burns actually denied that the thought had occurred to him.
View video here
SNOW: Are you hearing that? Have you heard from people who think it is offensive?Uttering the most vapid line from the segment, co-host Bill Weir asked "Do you think that crosses a line in terms of censorship? I mean, isn't art about expression of all sorts, Ron?"
HOY: No. We don't have the image in the store.
SNOW: You're just worried that people would be offended if people put it on the wall.
HOY: That's true
Censorship is a government act in suppression of free expression. A private person's decision not to display a painting depicting Christ as a dog is an act of good taste. Is it an act of censorship if [which I suspect might be the case] Weir doesn't display the Mohamed cartoons over his mantle at home? A real example of attempted censorship would be that in which the French government prosecuted a magazine for publishing the Mohammed photos.
Hoy, who presumably was brought in to "balance" the artist, wound up agreeing with Weir!
HOY: Art "is about that [expression]. . . When we think about this painting of Ron's, that is controversial, I think it gives us the opportunity to think about it a little bit. And I think that gives the painting a little more credence."
If ABC were really interested for balance, why not interview a minister or theologian who could have explained what was offensive about the painting, rather than a guy who enthused over the Burns' work and agreed that it raised important questions?
In response to a question from Snow, Burns mentioned that the painting is going for $65,000 -- a value no doubt enhanced by the publicity GMA provided.
Burns went so far as to claim that: "if Jesus were alive today and came in my gallery and he saw this painting, I would like to think that Jesus has a sense of humor [and would say] 'that's great, that's an honor.'"Back in the studio, as indicated in the screencap, Kate found the whole matter hilarious and was unable to suppress a fit of the giggles. She ended the piece by informing viewers that GMA wants to know what they think, inviting them to weigh in on the art-or-blasphemy debate at abcnews.com.
Can you imagine such a segment on ABC with Mohammed and his followers substituted for Christ? Imagine an ABC anchor musing whether the depiction of Mohammed as a dog might be a "whimsical riff?" Fretting whether a private citizen's decision not to display the painting was "censorship?" Laughing about the whole matter? Neither can I.
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Sixty-five grand for that t
March 24, 2007 - 09:45 ET by zhombreSixty-five grand for that trite, puerile junk? What idiocy. In the words of R. Lee Ermey from Full Metal Jacket, "You're so ugly you could be a modern art masterpiece."
www.PopARF.com
April 3, 2007 - 13:12 ET by PoparfHere is some grrrrreat Dog artwork to howl about- www.PopARF.com
Message to Kate Snow: Would y
March 24, 2007 - 09:52 ET by ThisnThatMessage to Kate Snow: Would you find it offensive if we said "and reported by that Bitch at ABC"? -- in keeping with the dog theme, here.
LOL
March 24, 2007 - 10:00 ET by Guy Arthur ThomasLOLOLOLOLOL....lOlOlOlOlOlOlOl....lololololololol...funny!
Shut up and blog! If you claim to be a conservative, please don't disgrace yourself and conservatism by thinking and arguing like a liberal. Go Rudy!
TNT -I personally--
March 24, 2007 - 12:24 ET by misterbillTNT -I personally--would not be the least offended. Please say it as ofte ans you like. LOL
Really love it--but to the average Lib --not funny.
Lib: "Oh how offensive to say that to this lady, but go ahead and make fun of Jesus all you want."
An ugly American is one who does not support his country.
HOY: Art "is about that [expr
March 24, 2007 - 10:13 ET by rimskyHOY: Art "is about that [expression]. . . When we think about this painting of Ron's, that is controversial, I think it gives us the opportunity to think about it a little bit. And I think that gives the painting a little more credence."
This statement is so full of.. nothing. IMO, it is typical of the void that exists in the minds of many of these leftist type, so-called artist frauds. "..the opportunity to think about it a little bit..."??? Think about what? Are we supposed to think about the possibility of Christ and his followers as being dog-like, or what? How utterly stupid can one be? This kind of 'art' is nothing but evil filth, and it should be rejected as forcefully as possible. Not doing so is to accept it, and accepting it is to reject Christ.
Censorship???? The fact that
March 24, 2007 - 10:17 ET by DilbertCensorship????
The fact that this idiot is not thrown in jail or beaten on the streets demonstrates that there is NO censorship involved. The $65,000 he is asking for this piece of crap may be yet dwarfed by CAIR or other Islamofacsist's donations for his efforts in mocking the dominant Western "infidel" religion.
If this scurvy dog makes that kind of money painting such trash, perhaps he can start his own art gallery and create similar paintings with the "prophet" of Islam.
Why no outcry of censorship from the MSM over cartoons not so long ago of Islam's prophet?
This is no less offensive than "Piss Christ", I think some people may find it cute as they did the original "Dogs Playing Poker" decades ago, but it is still disgusting.
Art
March 24, 2007 - 10:26 ET by iveseenitallHere's a piece of "art"---Dan Rather, Diane Sawyer, and Barbara Walters on their knees kissing the butts of Saddam, Amadenijad (sp?), and Chavez. Someone please paint it.
NEVER,NEVER trust a liberal
That is just WRONG! dan, dian
March 24, 2007 - 13:09 ET by FastEdThat is just WRONG! dan, diane and babs together? Closing eyes doesn't help!
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
Some of you seem offended (
March 24, 2007 - 10:59 ET by WhichWingSome of you seem offended (or annoyed) by the hosts, but are any of you offended by the painting?
My girlfriend, as a veterinary tech., and dog lover, would love it. (I hope you all can avoid the temptation to ask if I'm the dog)
I'd also like to point out that most of us, as Freedom Loving Americans, think its ridiculous that in some cultures this would cause in uproar, yet here you are calling for one.
Nah -- you just can't see a
March 24, 2007 - 11:03 ET by Jack BauerNah -- you just can't see a point without missing it.
You must have missed my previ
March 24, 2007 - 11:54 ET by DilbertYou must have missed my previous post. Yes, I am offended by the painting and I am offended by the MSM's double standard of finding the cartoons of the prophet Muhammad outrageous, while continuing to take every opportunity to celebrate the denigration of my Savior.
The MSM considers free speech to be using my tax dollars for "Piss Christ", while pondering whether or not the decision of a private art gallery to not display this painting might be censorship.
The MSM considers the lampooning of Islam and it's prophet to be hate speech, but giggles at anything even remotely offensive to Christians.
You might notice the difference WhichWing, between the response of offended Christians to that of offended Muslims.
As disgusting as this painting is, I notice there are no death fatwas against this guy by the Pope, Billy Graham, Jerry Falwell or Pat Robertson.
not only is the painting offensive
March 24, 2007 - 15:36 ET by tumbler_2007It's not just offensive. The artist expects to offend christians; there can be no other motive for painting something so off-the-wall. And the "hsts" are also offensive, puting a smile on the whole blaspheming affair:
Burns went so far as to claim : "if Jesus were alive today and came in my gallery and he saw this painting, I would like to think that Jesus has a sense of humor [and would say] 'that's great, that's an honor.'" Jesus came to YOUR chicken-wire piece of junk, Burns?
For Burns' information; JESUS is alive today. You are the one spiritually defunct, a simple organism ready to expire; without life. Jesus is our very LIFE, He rose after dying for mankind; and never more can die. Keep your stupid "IF". Keep your painting of dogs too. There is no Christ nor His apostles in that stinking tower of bad taste. $65,000 my spit ! (Just my .02 cts.)
Censorship is a government
March 24, 2007 - 11:01 ET by Jack BauerCensorship is a government act in suppression of free expression. A private person's decision not to display a painting depicting Christ as a dog is an act of good taste.
It's amazing how you have to mention that fact everytime there is a kerfuffle over something like this.
Just because the New York Times declines to print my letter to the editor does not mean I am being "censored." It's their toy, and they have a right to choose what they publish.
It's just that we conservatives cannot understand why BIG MEDIA is so selective in whom it chooses to offend in the name of free speech.
(and ultimately free speech does come down to one's freedom to offend someone!)
Muslims are not allowed to be offended or ridiculed, so the press will move heaven and earth and articles to achieve that goal.
But Christians are allowed to be offended and ridiculed, so the same press will move heaven and earth to achieve that goal.
Fear of the "religion of peace" is clearly the reason
March 24, 2007 - 11:51 ET by RJMuslims are not allowed to be offended or ridiculed, so the press will move heaven and earth and articles to achieve that goal.
But Christians are allowed to be offended and ridiculed, so the same press will move heaven and earth to achieve that goal.
Exactly, Jack. The hypocritical media defends truly offensive works like "Pi$$ Christ", "Dung Madonna", "The Last Temptation of Christ", etc. Any protests are called censorship, and apologists like Hoy are brought in to make placating statements such as "it gives us the opportunity to think about it a little"...something George Orwell could have written.
Yet, even the hint of offending Muslims makes the media cower. Clearly, the underlying reason is fear. They've seen what the so-called "religion of peace" has done to those who offend them. The cowards would never admit it, but they've gotten the message, loud and clear.
RJ, Last Temptation of Christ
March 26, 2007 - 14:01 ET by JasonCRJ, Last Temptation of Christ? Really? I can see why some people were uncomfortable with it, but I thought it was an overwhelmingly respectful and uplifting film. Surely it doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the company of those other two "works of art"...
"If their sins were as scarlet, they are now white as snow" Isaiah 1:18
Jason, I'd hardly call some "Temptation" scenes "respectful"
March 26, 2007 - 15:16 ET by RJWell, as someone who read the book but didn't see the movie (I also didn't go see the other "artistic" works mentioned in my post), I have to go by what I've read about it. BTW, I frequently avoid movies made from books I've read. I gather from people who have read the book and seen the movie that the movie is extremely shallow by comparison.
As I understand it, there are gratuituous sex and nudity scenes, including a scene where Jesus sits by and watches and waits while Mary Magdalene services a customer. Yes, I understand the concept of "nonjudgmental", but given the place Jesus holds in Christianity, I wouldn't call that kind of graphic depiction "respectful." The creators of the other works I mentioned call their works "respectful", too, by the way....
In contrast, the book was extremely thought-provoking without being gratuituous or disrespectful. Since Kazantzakis was a deciple of Neitzsche, some might find that surprising.
The line, while indeed vapi
March 24, 2007 - 11:04 ET by sarcasmoThe line, while indeed vapid, deserves more description. It depicts a fundamental media cluelessness regarding private property rights and censorship that is VERY dangerous to those of us who'd like to do as we wish with our own private property. At the same time, I'm forced by big government into paying for various speech with which I strongly disagree, and THAT censors me, because I can't use the money I've been forced to pay for my own (true) speech. I'm annoyed enough about this forced (lying) speech to stage a possible tax protest on a certain narrow-issue, but I'm trying to make it so I don't go to jail just for speaking the truth, which looks distinctly possible, so I can't reveal it just yet until I've lawyered-up, and that's not cheap...
JMR
Clueless on GMA
March 24, 2007 - 11:22 ET by acumenSnow: Coming up on ABC's Good Morning America we will attempt to unravel the mystery of why the Muslim world refers to America as "The Great Satan".
Which Wing
March 24, 2007 - 11:26 ET by iveseenitallWhich Wing's comments demonstrate what a great job the left has done in brainwashing our young, whose ignorance concerning responsibilty is evident. But what the heck---it's Spring Break and immature irresponsibilty is running wild.
NEVER,NEVER trust a liberal
If it were Mohammed, they'd be bombed by now
March 24, 2007 - 11:23 ET by blackrain4xmasThat's the simple test of offensiveness. The question isn't whether or not it will offend, but whether or not those offended will kidnap them and saw off their heads in retaliation or burn embassies vs. a few email complaints. If all their gonna do is get emails from people they don't care about as viewers anyway...then it's termed "not offensive", but if their lives are put at risk by religious fanatics who are offended, then it's "offensive depictions"
It's interesting to me the di
March 24, 2007 - 11:30 ET by GeorgeTIt's interesting to me the difference between "outrage" of Muslims vs. the "outrage" of anyone else. So, some Christians are upset about this piece of art. Well, the difference between these "outraged" Christians and "outraged" Muslims is that the Christians (or for that matter any other religious group) don't tend to blow things up to prove their point. Nope, all the Christians are doing is expressing criticism of the work. No bombed embassies.
Any religion can be criticised legally of course (except Islam). It's part of freedom of speech and expression. But I just wonder, where's the media's "outrage" with unfavorable depictions of Jesus, God (Jewish or Christian), Buddha, or any other religious figure that's not Islamic?
Anyway, on to my thoughts on the art itself. While I'm not very religious myself, I don't find this painting to be offensive. Sure, Jesus is depicted as a dog, but it's not in a mean-spirited manner. The intent of the artist seems to be pure, he simply likes to paint dogs. Now, onto my opinion about Jesus as a dog; are there any other dog owners here? If you've ever had a dog, there's a good chance that you know of the great love and nobility of these animals. They are capable of a love and kindness rarely found in other humans. Thus the depiction of Jesus, a person of great kindness, as a dog seems in a way to be almost appropriate. I've found that there is little greater joy than can be found by the love of a dog. But again, I'm not too religious. I'm just trying to point out that maybe this piece is more of a tribute of dogs (and maybe love) than an insult against religion. Remember, God is just dog spelled backwards.
How sad
March 24, 2007 - 12:19 ET by iveseenitallHow sad that someone would actualy think like this. It's illogical rationalization. Did you learn this in a public school?
NEVER,NEVER trust a liberal
My idea of art is burning t
March 24, 2007 - 13:10 ET by wiwfMy idea of art is burning the Democrat Party flag, videotaping it, and putting it all over youtube.
It beats the hell out of cross-in-a-urine-jar.
What a pathetic response to
March 24, 2007 - 18:25 ET by WhichWingWhat a pathetic response to a legitimate line of thinking. You just keep calling for your uproar, maybe you'll get it. The media doesn't call for the overreaction of Muslims, it reports it. If you and right wing buddies manage to gather up and start violent protests against this painting, I can assure you that will be reported too.
Were all Christians here also
March 24, 2007 - 18:28 ET by balboaWere all Christians here also upset by the re-creation of The Last Supper in History of the World Part 1?
I think that was a comedy bal
March 24, 2007 - 20:20 ET by DilbertI think that was a comedy balboa, and I don't recall a media frenzy claiming that the movie was going to shake the foundations of Christianity.
I always liked Monty Python's Life of Brian. Early in the movie it became obvious that Brian was not the true Messiah and the remainder of the movie was spent lampooning the schisms that exist in the Church today. But even if I would have found it offensive, that wouldn't be the point anyway unless they had the entire cast on the Today show claiming to be theologians or historians.
I can't speak for everyone, b
March 25, 2007 - 01:16 ET by BradzillaI can't speak for everyone, but I certainly was. It was a tasteless movie to start with, and that scene made me cringe. For those who don't understand the gravity of the situation depicted in the painting, I say: get thee to a bible. Then maybe you could understand why Christians might be offended.
The next logical progression would be what, a pooch on a cross? Of course it would offend Christians (no big deal) but the animal rights people would be furious. That latter would be of more concern to the media.
You just don't get it, WhichW
March 24, 2007 - 20:05 ET by DilbertYou just don't get it, WhichWing. Christians are used to having everything from their heads sawed off to simply being snickered at at the water cooler at work. More offensive than this work masquerading as art, as offensive as it is, is the MSM double standard. The fact that many who post here have a Judeo-Christian worldview is incidental.
YOU asked if anyone was offended!
I find that most of the posts concerning this are focused on that double standard. I see no calls for an uproar in this, this website focuses on the excesses and double standard of the MSM.
And yes, the MSM media would report any conservative infractions of law or civility, they have for years in their attempt to portray anyone of non-Muslim faith to be card carrying followers of ilk such as Fred Phelps.
Christians are used to havi
March 25, 2007 - 03:41 ET by WhichWingChristians are used to having everything from their heads sawed off to simply being snickered at at the water cooler at work.
Are you trying to tell me that Christians have a tough time in our country? That they are a minority that is being picked on by a majority?
What is the double standard by the MSM? They report that Muslims are offended by certain things to the point that it incites violence. So they choose not to put up something that could enourage something like that. I think they are showing the level-headedness of Christians in general. They can put up a picture of the last supper with dogs and there's no violence amongst Christians. People get a little fired up on the right wing blogs, but that's about it.
"What is the double stan
March 25, 2007 - 08:52 ET by Indiana Joe"What is the double standard by the MSM?"
Man, you really DON'T get it, do you? In exactly WHICH American newspapers did you see the infamous "Mohammed" cartoons? Which television networks showed them? When and where was the discussion with the "artists" broadcast? And you think this lack of coverage is attributable to "level-headedness" on the part of the media??? PUH-LEEZE!!! Can you say "intimidation?" How about "cowardice?"
Christians in this country are, hard as it may be for you to fathom, a majority that are being ridiculed, marginalized, and demonized by a vocal minority. And, for the most part, accepting it with faith and good humor. And history for Christianity didn't begin with the founding of this country. Early Christians were beheaded (and have been recently, in fact), thrown to the lions (you've heard of that one, no doubt) and worse.
Were I you, I'd be more worried about a media that is so easily cowed by a certain religion than I would be about another religion that is regularly used as a whipping boy by that same cowardly media, and writes a few blogs in response, expressing relatively mild disapproval.
I apologize, I hope the Chr
March 25, 2007 - 18:30 ET by WhichWingI apologize, I hope the Christians survive this epic battle. Hang in there little buddy.
What'd I say that upset you?
March 25, 2007 - 10:20 ET by GeorgeTWhat'd I say that upset you? Because if it was the "God spelled backwards is dog" part, that was just something to provide a bit of levity. Kind of a joke. But I hope you can see my main point is that while this may upset some Christians, those Christians aren't going around bombing people. From what I've seen it tends to be Muslims (not all of them of course) that overreact and bomb places when they're just slightly upset.
And as for my comments about dogs; I've met very few people that are as friendly or reliable as dogs.
But I can clearly see the hypocrisy of the MSM in this case. They would never have even shown the piece of art if it depicted Mohammad as a dog. Even if it was unthreatening. As for me, I don't really care. Plenty of people create art that is far more offensive. And that again, is my real point.
God is just dog spelled backw
March 25, 2007 - 11:59 ET by dahliatraversGod is just dog spelled backwards
Deep, man.
Deep alright.And almost as
March 25, 2007 - 12:12 ET by Jack BauerDeep alright.
And almost as original as my karma ran over my dogma... as in not very!
Just trying to put some levit
March 25, 2007 - 19:09 ET by GeorgeTJust trying to put some levity into the situation. But yeah, it's deep. And not corny in any way.
George, fully expect a commen
March 25, 2007 - 12:13 ET by Roger the ShrubberGeorge, fully expect a comment from a rabid anti-Xtian Liberal like "well, there have been shootings and bombings at abortion clinics" to prop up their opinion that Christians are evil and bad. After all, a couple of those events happening in the pat 20 years is on the same level as killing dozens of people in a crowded (insert country here) marketplace on a daily basis in the name of Allah, right?
Are you sure your name isn't balbozo...
March 25, 2007 - 12:19 ET by Guy Arthur ThomasWith a ridiculous apology like that are you sure your name isn't balbozo, the resident Democrat apologylooza weenie?
Shut up and blog! If you claim to be a conservative, please don't disgrace yourself and conservatism by thinking and arguing like a liberal. Go Rudy!
Dogs considered lowest
March 24, 2007 - 13:27 ET by Mr. TerryI've always heard that to be likened to a dog, especially in the "middle-east" is the lowest form of insult. I personally love the animals myself but dogs are well-bread in the U.S. Other countries not so.
Remember the abu-gharib fiasco? I saw a picture of intimidation with a german shephard dog upon and Iraqi prisoner. The muslims took great offense at this.
What I'm offended at is the laughter coming from blondie on the video still. It has become acceptable to ridicule Christians. Let us not forget that it also became acceptable to publicly ridicule Jews in Germany. Look what became of that.
Did some one mention art?
March 24, 2007 - 15:00 ET by RDWDid someone mention art?
I think I’m having a lucid moment, so here are some of my favorite examples of Post-Modernism.
EXAMPLE A. The art of getting paid to drink
October 27, 2005
LONDON: A Japanese artist has been paid £5000 ($11,800) of taxpayers' money to drink 48 bottles of beer and then fall off a wooden beam.
The "performance", which took place at an arts centre in Cardiff, has outraged members of the local council and caused bafflement among the public, many of whom do exactly that every Friday and Saturday night, without getting paid.
However, an arts centre spokesman said: "This wasn't just about a woman drinking a lot of beer. This was a powerful piece of art."
Tomoko Takahashi, 39, who performs under the name Anti-Cool, was once nominated for the Turner Prize for her installations of rubbish. She says her performance "comments on the availability and use of mass-produced products".
But she is now being accused of encouraging binge drinking.
EXAMPLE B. Andres Serrano's, Infamous ''Piss Christ". A crucifix in a jar of urine. mentioned in previous posts.
EXAMPLE C. “A painting depicting President Bush being sodomized. Artist Alfred Phillips said images of an oil barrel and a man wearing a Muslim headdress in the work are part of a political statement about the United States being abused by oil companies.
EXAMPLE D. A piece depicting Pope Benedict XVI with several swastikas in the background.
EXAMPLE E. "Papal on Pink" …an ”Oil painting construction depicting the Pope with [sic] serial killer William Gacy's clown face walking thru the arches of a golden walker… “ is not intended as a slam on The Catholic Church alone but on all established religion's misguided rules and doctrines that have created such devastating consequences in our society. It may have started with the Catholic Church but once others split off and became denominations of their own, the "If you don't believe the way I believe or you're going to Hell" doctrine pervaded them all. This is the same doctrine that fuels terrorism and hate crimes. I don't think this is what Christ gave his life for.”
EXAMPLE F “Autopsy Babies”! Created by Jeremi R. and Nicole Elise, depicting the creation of dolls painted to look like mutilated babies. These are the images and flowering of the dual imagination of a dredged desperation and morbid fascination with the culture of death.
EXAMPLE G. Art guild director Susan Buzzi proudly informed [the author] that the art exhibit is all about "raising consciousness" and is "extremely political." Translation: Virulently anti-Bush. Also featured in this year's exhibit is an insipid religion-bashing gem from Gerard Delaney titled "Liberty or Death?," with President Bush donning a pontiff's hat and a lapel button that reads "God hates fags." That's an Iraqi flag burning in the torch and a book titled "Presidency for Dummies" tucked under his arm: Buzzi told the Express Gay News that another past piece depicted Bush in a Nazi uniform. She also bragged to me that last year's exhibit included a piece featuring President Bush in a toilet seat.
EXAMPLE H. A Los Angeles artist with a history of mocking the Bush administration and conservatives including Rush Limbaugh is now going after the Fox News Channel with a new billboard and related website called ShoxNews.com. The billboard made its debut this week on Sepulveda Boulevard, south of Santa Monica, Calif., featuring a shadowy Uncle Sam figure controlling a handpuppet, as it proclaims in giant lettering, "Shox News Channel, We Distort, You Comply," an obvious send-up of the cable news channel's "We report, you decide" slogan.
The billboard text continues with the message, "Manufacturing news since 1995," and then provides its website address.
The campaign is the creation of Karen Fiorito, a self-described propagandist and culture jammer who says, "My art plays a subversive role in society, offering an alternative narrative to the dominant culture. I hope to initiate a dialogue in the community, not only about political issues, but also about the assumption that art and politics do not mix."
For anyone who is interested in reading about the state of the Art so to speak, visit The New Criterion. For the book The Rape of the Masters: How political correctness sabotages art by Roger Kimball.
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Tantalus the Insane
More art
March 25, 2007 - 01:35 ET by Carl KolchakTantalus, at least you call yourself insane, so I don't peg you for a stuck up person, and you seem to have a sense of humor as well, but it is obvious that you mention all of those in an effort to try to offend.
Here is some art that you also may want to checkout.
1. College students starting as freshmen and then there are lots and lots of left wing professors waiting for them to come into their university, and they take the brains out of the students and put in names like Trotsky, Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc, and keep the brains and put those names into the students heads. The students then leave college and are brainwashed zombies who think Trotsky, Lenin, Stalin and Mao are the greatest leaders of all time and just repeat that.
2. Countless millions of Chinese are trampled under a big picture of Mao as he continually takes great leaps forward. This is a reminder of the countless millions of Chinese who died under Mao's Great Leap Forward one of the most disastrous ideas of all time.
3. Pol Pot's Killing Fields. Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge are stacking up more and more dead bodies as the rice crops don't appear to improve. The bewildered Pol Pot and Khmer Rouge can't figure out why their rice production continues to decline, because they are convinced that forcing people to grow rice will improve their agriculture. The stacks of dead bodies include many glasses and books, because Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge want to make sure they kill anyone who can read or think for themselves. The painting also shows Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge using dead people for fertlizer.
4. Trotsky and Lenin's Red Terror. This shows kulaks in fear of Trotksy and Lenin who decide they want to kill wealthy peasants. These people were convinced that Trotsky and Lenin cared about the peasants, so they can't figure out as kulaks why they are being killed by the Cheka. There are also forced labor concentration camps in this picture, as Trotksy and Lenin setup many forced labor concentation camps, and again this painting shows the misery in these camps.
5. Gulag. This is a bleak painting of forced labor in Communist countries. These people are all gray and dying and the Communist guards are laughing and telling them how great Communism treats the average worker.
"There's blood in the streets, it's up to my ankles" 'Peace Frog'
Carl, Thank you. The implic
March 25, 2007 - 02:05 ET by RDWCarl, Thank you. The implication of your post, if I understand you correctly [Is]; That culture can be used as a cauldron of motivation, manipulated by tyrants, if this is what you mean; I concur. The examples I provide and this time, I'm not even trying to be funny, are just the insanity of what liberals are doing to undermine western culture. The list you provided are evidence of, dare I say the <MADNESS> reified by liberal political propaganda, masquerading as art. Again thank you for you succinct and IMO true evaluation of the offence created by these so called artists.
I like people who are crazy anyways
March 25, 2007 - 02:18 ET by Carl KolchakYeah you call yourself insane, so I like people who don't take themselves too seriously, but to think that only right wing white Catholic or Republicans are the only people who have committed atrocities is really really insane.
But again, you seem to have a sense of humor and call yourself insane, so I don't peg you for a stuck up person. In all honesty if you ever really want to truely understand the world history of world atrocities, you can find every religion, atheist, color, political affiliation, race, etc committing atrocities, and then you can find those same religion, atheist, political affiliation, color, race, etc. having atrocities committed against them. In my opinion until everyone realizes how horrible atrocities are, and not convinced that their group never comitted them, they will continue to go on. I have studied a decent amount of world history, and it blows my mind that people are convinced that if they would just get rid of a certain group then their society would be pure and perfect. This approach hasn't worked in world history, and it won't.
"There's blood in the streets, it's up to my ankles" 'Peace Frog'
I think we are on the same
March 25, 2007 - 02:28 ET by RDWI think we are on the same page actually, unfortunately I may not be expressing myself very effectively. My Bad as the young people say.
Right on Tantalus
March 25, 2007 - 02:36 ET by Carl KolchakRight on, we probably are on the same page, just remember for future reference the piss jar Christ painting reference will be very offensive to Christians.
"I've always been crazy, but it's kept me from going insane" Waylon Jennings
T & CK,I could tell right
March 25, 2007 - 09:07 ET by Indiana JoeT & CK,
I could tell right away you guys were on the same page. I took Tantalus' first post as a list of things offensive to both conservatives and Christians. I thought his point was how pervasive these types of things are today, especially in modern "art."
And yes, Carl, "Piss Christ" is VERY offensive to Christians of all persuasions. But if it's never mentioned, it will soon be forgotten. And we must NEVER forget the depths to which these people are willing to stoop.
Regards,
IJ
Carl, I was born a sinner, ba
March 25, 2007 - 13:36 ET by DilbertCarl, I was born a sinner, baptised and raised Catholic and am now an evangelical Protestant. I am fully aware of atrocities committed by nearly every religion, denomonination and sect. I am aware also of MSM bias that so permeates our society today.
Most evangelicals and Roman Catholics for example, consider abortion and embryonic stem cell research to be murder, but in over 30 years of legal abortions, there have been only a handful of murders of abortion doctors or bombing of abortion clinics. All of these actions have been roundly condemned by mainstream Christians.
I think the main point of this entire article and subsequent posts is to expose the MSM bias toward anything Judeo-Christian in contrast to the MSM's fawning over the "religion of peace".
It's not ABC simply reporting of the painting or the controversy it may have created. It is the editorial slant that is written into the segment by raising questions of censorship (when none exists) and a smirking, giggling response by a news presenter (they are NOT journalists).
Newsbusters exists to expose and combat MSM bias. It is not an apologetics ministry.
you are wrong
March 26, 2007 - 01:51 ET by Mr. TerryAccording to Merriam-Webster's, the word atrocity is definced as something which is atrocious or barbaric. Therefore I must disagree with you about fine fellas about "nearly every religion, denomination and sect" committing atrocities. It simply isn't the truth.
Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No man cometh to the Father except through me."
Ah, Pol Pot...Well you'll wor
March 25, 2007 - 10:55 ET by Roger the ShrubberAh, Pol Pot...
Well you'll work harder with a gun in your back
For a bowl of rice a day
Slave for soldiers til you starve
Then your head skewered on a stake
You can't imagine a segment w
March 24, 2007 - 15:37 ET by balboaYou can't imagine a segment with Mohammed because Muslims have proven themselves unreasonable in this department. Christians are more reasonable.
Good point balboa
March 24, 2007 - 17:05 ET by Mr. TerryGood point balboa
Christianity is under attac
March 26, 2007 - 00:48 ET by mtwokayChristianity is under attack by libs and MSM but the problem is that Christians are not responding like Muslims, yet. As soon as one, just one wacko Christian or Christian group pulls a Muslim, then well see the how much hate these people really have for Christians.
In fact the MSM’s hate for Christians will far exceed their hate for Muslims and their countless atrocities. Muslims are expected to act like lunatics, but for Christians to get upset, well that’s a hate crime in itself and sever punishment for Christians will be in order.
I haven't seen any calls
March 26, 2007 - 07:37 ET by WhichWingI haven't seen any calls for Christians to be profiled at airports. I haven't heard any discussion of us attacking a Christian nation, as opposed to the two Muslim nations we have invaded, and the third that is being discussed now.
If you really think you have a hard time in this nation as a Christian, then you are just looking for something to complain about.
I live in a small town, under 3,500 people, and there are 10 churches. Guess, what, every one of them is a Christian church.
OK, one last try. EVERYONE
March 26, 2007 - 10:32 ET by DilbertOK, one last try.
EVERYONE is profiled at airports and if the MSM had their way, law enforcement universally would have to pursue EVERYONE within a hundred miles of a bank robbery even if the suspect was a freckle faced 12 year old with red hair. 90 year old African American grandmothers would be subjected to strip searches and body cavity searches to avoid the accusation of racial profiling. Wait....I think they are ALREADY doing that.
Now slowly step away from your copy of Marx and Engels, WhichWing, and read slowly....
As offensive as this painting is or isn't to anyone, the point of this entire post and responses is the double standard of the MSM. Read Indiana Joe's earlier post for clarification.
As far as all the Churches in your community being Christian...
The word translated "church" in the English Bible is ekklesia (meaning the called out ones) in the original koine greek. Most of the synagogues near me happen to be Jewish... go figure....
Dilbert, I assume "Mr.
March 26, 2007 - 18:32 ET by WhichWingDilbert, I assume "Mr. Bojangles" was taken when you registered.
Here's my prayer for the night: "Lord, please protect the Christians from that awful media and painters of unruly pictures. For they are holier than the rest and deserve not to be ridiculed while they ridicule others."
Despite your ad hominem digs
March 26, 2007 - 20:33 ET by DilbertDespite your ad hominem digs at my nick, refusing to answer any refutations to your rabbit trail assertions (you seem to go down a different trail with every post), you DO seem to have a sense of humor.
I was waiting for you to invoke Haliburton in this thread. It's not too late!
I thought that was kind o
March 27, 2007 - 07:44 ET by WhichWingI thought that was kind of a good one, and I'm glad you got the reference. But I'm curious why you chose not address my point about us not attacking any Christian nations.
And just for kicks....Halliburton! (Thanks, that does make me feel better.)
WW...Don't forget that evil K
March 27, 2007 - 08:08 ET by bigtimerWW...
Don't forget that evil KBR and Enron either there little brother...
LOL!
we're not even holy, wing
April 5, 2007 - 12:09 ET by tumbler_2007You have this all wrong (again).
"Here's my prayer for the night: "Lord, please protect the Christians from that awful media and painters of unruly pictures. For they are holier than the rest and deserve not to be ridiculed while they ridicule others." ..............And furthermore, your joke about "your prayer" is an added blasphemy, since clearly you have no reason to pray. You believe prayers simply drift off into outer space. You think God is a joke. But God hears our prayers.
It's HIS honor and infinite holiness we protest about, certainly not our own holiness. We're far from a holy people, especially here in our western society. Most of us deserve to go down to the abyss, and rightly so. For our indifference to Christ, who gave His life on a cross for all of us.
Today is Holy Thurday; one of the Church's holiest and most solemn days. On this day Jesus offered us His own body and blood instituting forever the sacrament of the Eucharist, as well as His holy priesthood. In our unworthy society the image of Jesus painted as a dog is tolerated, and idiots find this cute and funny. They mock His faithful as "holier than thou" and overlook everything that's sacred about our Holy Redeemer --on the occasion of His Last Supper.
We aren't offended, ww, because we're proud of Christianity. It's these offenses against the Son of God that make us unhappy with this wretched generation of whores and whore-mongers. And, if it weren't for Jesus Christ Himself, we probably would rise up in fury against all of you; just like mindless Muslims But He gave us an everlasting example of His love and humility. Jesus, the Son of God went to His knees and washed the feet of His apostles. --He taught us to love and serve one another, not to curse each other over superficial (and disgraceful) insults.
All we wish is that one day all of us in America and our western world would love Jesus. He deserves our undying love.
Does Canada qualify as a Chri
March 26, 2007 - 10:50 ET by DilbertDoes Canada qualify as a Christian nation? I'd be all in favor of attacking and invading them. If we are looking for equal time or parity, that might be a good place to start!
iching
March 26, 2007 - 20:40 ET by misterbillI live in a small town, under 3,500 people,---. That explains it--you live in a village and you are the resident idiot!!!.
Well played ma'am, well playe
March 27, 2007 - 07:30 ET by WhichWingWell played ma'am, well played.
Which Wing...Don't be upset..
March 27, 2007 - 07:53 ET by bigtimerWhich Wing...
Don't be upset...I told misterb about you being the village idiot.
Sorry 'bout that!
Laughin' out loud!
Wow, you are really startin
March 27, 2007 - 20:53 ET by WhichWingWow, you are really starting to hurt my feeling. I've already told my mom, and I think she is going to be calling your mom. And you can't play with my GI Joes anymore. So there.
(Is that the level you were hoping to get down to? I hope I was able to help.)
Now if it were Cats....
March 26, 2007 - 08:50 ET by Ole_SargeI am really laughing about this whole thing. It is in poor taste. It is silly. GMA really has their collective head up their ---- to even "think" this is news worthy.
That said.
I'll never pay more than $ 2.00 for a print of it. I enjoy canines, I have them as pets and frankly consider them better company than the majority of humans. It is because Islam finds them so offensive that I love my dogs more!
Seriously, you think there was outcry over "pigs and prophets" someone should try to do Mohammed as a canine. There will be riots EVERYWHERE.
From Muslim #5248
Maimuna reported that one morning Allah’s Messenger was silent with
grief. Maimuna said: Allah’s Messenger, I find a change in your mood today.
Allah’s Messenger said: Gabriel had promised me that he would meet me tonight, but he
did not meet me. By Allah, he never broke his promises, and Allah’s Messenger spent
the day in this sad mood. Then it occurred to him that there had been a puppy under their
cot. He commanded and it was turned out. He then took some water in his hand and sprinkled
it at that place. When it was evening Gabriel met him and he said to him: You promised me
that you would meet me the previous night. He said: Yes, but we do not enter a house in
which there is a dog or a picture. Then on that very morning he commanded the killing of
the dogs until he announced that the dog kept for the orchards should also be killed, but
he spared the dog meant for the protection of extensive fields or big gardens.
I'll take our Lord in an image as a Lab or Shepherd any day.
Dear God, PLEASE help me to be the person my dog believes me to be.
I knew a guy who used to joke
March 26, 2007 - 10:41 ET by muh-oonI knew a guy who used to joke around about sombody doing this painting back in the 90's. It is pretty easy to think of something to paint that will offend somebody, but the sad part is to see it featured on GMA.