On his official Web site Fox News' Geraldo Rivera, yet again, went on a pro-illegal immigrant, anti-GOP tear. In an article entitled "GOP Immigration Extremists," Rivera declared: "The GOP was hijacked by extremists," claimed, "various hate groups have declared common cause with the Minutemen," and opined that anti-illegal immigrant Republicans, "fueled the rise of radicals like Venenzuela's Hugo Chavez."
The following is the full March 15th dated rant as it appeared on the Horizons section of Geraldo.com:
Until the last election cycle, Republicans had a reasonable chance of becoming the permanent majority party in this country. But in the lead up to the November 2006 elections, the GOP was hijacked by extremists on the immigration issue.
Led by candidates like Arizona's J.D. Hayworth, the party essentially adopted the position of the Minutemen and similar radical groups, which promulgated a wildly exaggerated portrayal of a tidal wave of brown people overwhelming our southern border, running loose to rape, steal and murder on the streets of our cities. It is no accident that various hate groups have declared common cause with the Minutemen. Similarly, it is no accident that these various activist anti-immigration groups scarcely mention our long, undefended border with Canada.
By adopting a position at odds with the President and Republican Senate moderates like Arlen Spector, the GOP insulted Hispanic Americans, fueled the rise of radicals like Venezuela's Hugo Chavez, and led the way to their resounding November defeat.
Granted that the war in Iraq was the single most galvanizing issue for most Americans; for Hispanics, it was immigration and they made Republicans pay for the insults.
Item: In the elections of 2004, 44% of Hispanics voted for the GOP. In 2006, that number was down to 27%. The effect of that seismic shift among the nation's fastest growing ethnic group of perhaps two million votes was the utter defeat of radical candidates like Hayworth.
Why do you think that the majority of Cuban Americans, alone among U.S. Latinos is solidly Republican while the majority of every other Hispanic group is Democratic? Like Dominicans, Mexicans, Venezuelans and every other sub-division within the Latino community, Cubans tend to be more socially conservative than Anglos on issues of faith like abortion. All are similarly entrepreneurial, hard working and traditional as opposed to secular and progressive.
Isn't it reasonable to assume that the way Cubans are treated when they enter this country without proper documentation, as opposed to how their immigrant colleagues from other national backgrounds are treated is one important factor in their choice of political affiliation?
All an illegal Cuban refugee has to do to gain rights in this country is touch U.S. soil. Once they achieve that milestone, there is a presumption that they are political refugees with status. If a Dominican or a Mexican, (or a Haitian for that matter), were to swim onto that same stretch of Florida beach, they'd be locked up, and restrained until either deportation proceedings or voluntary deportation.
The President's trip to Latin America should have been an eye-opener to those advocating the construction of a mighty wall to keep Latin America out. We build a wall or even just talk about it and we fuel the radical movement led by Hugo Chavez and his left-wing comrades who say, 'see the gringos hate us'.
Wall building exacerbates, rather than regulates the flow of illegals. Is there a person reading this who really believes that a man with a hungry family who has marched across the length and breath of Mexico and miles of parched Arizona desert because his family back home is hungry will be seriously impeded by a wall? What are we going to do if they climb over or tunnel under it, shoot them?
Aren't we turning our backs on the continent that since the Monroe Doctrine we have sought to hold close.
And with a U.S. unemployment rate of fewer than 4.5%, where would we find the workers to replace the eleven or twelve million undocumented workers who are here? The current jingoistic anti-immigrant hysteria is bad politics, bad business, smacks of racism and blissfully ignores recent history.
Until the mid-19th Century most of the American Southwest was Mexico. Since the conquest of Texas in 1836, and the treaty that forced Mexico in 1848 to cede the Southwest and then added insult to injury by imposing the Gadsden, Arizona purchase of 1853, generations of Mexican citizens have been allowed back into their former territory whenever we needed their sweat and toil. We have spent a Century and a half winking and nodding at undocumented seasonal workers who risk everything to cross illegally just to get a job to feed their families.
Isn't it reasonable to think that residents of Mexico might hold some affection and nostalgia for their lost North America Empire, especially if part of their family still resides on this side of the modern line? Haven't Native Americans in recent decades experienced some small amount of belated justice? Where are the casinos and oil leases for the Mexicans forcibly excluded from their historic lands along with the Apache, Navajo, Sioux and Seminole?
Jews didn't forget Jerusalem after a forced exclusion of 2,000 years. Is it so breath-taking that the collective Mexican consciousness remembers back just 154 years to the time when towns from Santa Fe to Los Angeles to San Francisco were theirs?
However it happened, all agree that modern boundaries are now firmly and forever established. Every reasonable commentator understands that. But history is relevant when it comes to how we treat these 'visitors'.
All most of the undocumented want is a fair shake and a chance to work hard and realize what we proudly call the 'American Dream'. Give them the chance to regularize and legitimatize their status and watch, as they become another beautiful component of the national mosaic. Maybe even Republicans.
—Geoffrey Dickens is the senior news analyst at the Media Research Center.
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What part of "ILLEGAL&
Fri, 03/23/2007 - 11:48 ET by DyneWhat part of "ILLEGAL" don't these people understand? Oh wait, liberals get away with murder *cough*TedKennedy*cough* so it's obviously not a word in their dictionary.
Dyne...Illegal is good! Legal
Fri, 03/23/2007 - 11:59 ET by Clear thinkerDyne...
Illegal is good! Legal is bad!
Liberals >>>> Silly people, and Geraldo is a liberal.
The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.
geraldo said it well
Fri, 03/23/2007 - 13:20 ET by tumbler_2007Geraldo Rivera was spot on about our GOP. He nailed it; and we have the same knee-jerk absolutists still denying it; our Novemeber election was too deadly to us to ignore. But you ignore it all the more when a liberal has told it straight.
You muted me here earlier, merely for telling the truth. Geraldo says it and I agree, though I'm no liberal. Dick Morris said the same thing on O'Reilly, we've alienated AMERICAN hispanics and Mexican American voters for the next 100 years. If youz guys can refute them --DO SO !
Knee-Jerk Absolutionists...
Fri, 03/23/2007 - 13:25 ET by Guy Arthur ThomasKnee-Jerk Absolutionists...hmmmm Hey Tumbler, can we talk about Protestantism? Oh sorry, I forgot, you're a Knee-Jerk Absolutionist that only recognizes the Catholic Church and the Pope. Hahahahahahaha!!
Shut up and blog! If you claim to be a conservative, please don't disgrace yourself and conservatism by thinking and arguing like a liberal. Go Rudy!
reading comprehension, GAT
Fri, 03/23/2007 - 13:40 ET by tumbler_2007Read, My Lad; don't invent. I said absolutists, Not absolutionists. (Withdraw head from crack where sun never shines, Kid.)
As for my faith; I believe because Jesus Christ is God; He founded the Catholic Church. Knee-jerks are all on the part of anti-Catholic sectarians who have no faith in Him. They believe what was palmed off on them as godly. They learned from mere men. "Recognizing" means nothing. Satan recognizes Christ.
bumbler...
Fri, 03/23/2007 - 13:50 ET by Guy Arthur Thomasbumbler...I gladly accept your correction on my failure to read and retain most specifically what you posted and in fact thank you for the reminder to not neglect critical details...you have been of service to me...
But now to the more weighty matter at hand...absolutist...absolutionists...either way I understood the idea...knee-jerk absolutist...which was demonstrated by you in your response about the Catholic church verses other faiths who hold to orthodox Christian doctrine...so in the end...you remain subject to your own complaints...are you still here Tumbler? Oh yeah, I remember, you're Catholic and like punishment for your sins...hahahahahahahahaha!
Shut up and blog! If you claim to be a conservative, please don't disgrace yourself and conservatism by thinking and arguing like a liberal. Go Rudy!
hahahahahaha! enough !
Fri, 03/23/2007 - 14:17 ET by tumbler_2007That's bad; Guy. Pathetic, in fact.
"demonstrated by you in your response about the Catholic church verses other faiths who hold to orthodox Christian doctrine...so in the end..
So, spell that VERSUS, Pal. I was going batty looking for a verse in the Bible.
No-- unfortunately you're even wrong about anything "orthodox" in much of that Christian doctrine you uphold. Orthodoxy is knowledge of what is indisputable. Only the Catholic Church is totally safe from error. --Many hard-trying sects calling themselves Christian are not in possession of the whole truth of the apostles. And, though you laugh at the Pope, he represents the apostles, particularly Peter. If you stray from their teachings, (and you have) you are adrift in heresy, not orthodoxy.
Please let's not divert this thread any longer. If you MUST answer, send it by PM. Do it for the other participants.
dumbler....
Fri, 03/23/2007 - 14:26 ET by Guy Arthur ThomasWhile you are on your Bible verse hunt (oops are you allowed to do that? Did the Pope say it was okay now? Cuz in them old days he said it was verbotten) I will post the last word and believe you are so sincere and honest in your expressed wish to keep things in PM that your response to me will be in PM, but it remains to be seen if you hold to your own dogma, I'm not holding my breath.
So publicly I will get the last word with the assumption of course that you wouldn't dare post a response but will keep it in PM as you preached to me about (and if you are wondering why I am not using PM it is because of course, I am not Catholic but Protestant and far less righteous than you...hahahahahaha).
You're closer to death than most Tumbler and do us a favor, hurry up and cross over because there are several idiots in line waiting to take your place. I look forward to your PM...you know...the method you preached to me about but I doubt you will abide by yourself in response to this....hahahahahahahahaha!
P.S. Since you indicated that you like the Liberal Practice of Grammar and Spelling Nazi practices....(I told you before you think like a liberal and this demonstrates it once again) it is VERSES not VERSUS and though indeed playing Spelling Nazi is a violation of one of the most common rules of Message Board Posting observed even by many LIBERALS the virus of LIBERAL mentality you are infected with is so severe that it appears you are diseased with full-blown the SNV (Spelling Nazi Virus) I willingly rolled in the gutter where you are long enough to help you along the way with petty concerns such as spelling issues. Next Please! (And to the showers to clean of this dung).
Shut up and blog! If you claim to be a conservative, please don't disgrace yourself and conservatism by thinking and arguing like a liberal. Go Rudy!
Tumbler...Here is a response
Fri, 03/23/2007 - 18:31 ET by Clear thinkerTumbler...
Here is a response to your 'Geraldo spot on' post ( I must be crazy, but I'm going to try with him one more time).
You keep bringing up this issue of alienating hispanic and/or mexican voters so I want to tell you a little story, you can comment on it as you please. I live in NC. We have been trying very hard to get our Dept of Motor Vehicles to STOP issuing licenses to illegals, but with the Dems in charge it has become a very frustrating task. Last year an outside auditing firm found that over 22,000 licenses had been issued to illegals in NC. Shortly after that a DMV employee started refusing to give a license to people that could not provide proper ID (the illegals). While her boss was chewing her out for following the law, he made this comment to her. "You will issue all of them a license regardless of proof or non-proof of their status, then you will make sure you sign them up to vote". If she did not follow his instructions she would lose her job.
Now answer me this Tumbler... In a state that is run by Democrats, why do you think her boss was so eager to register illegals to vote?
Personally, I don't care how any group of legal citizens vote. If conservatives will choose good candidates I pray that any and all ethinic groups would vote R.
The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.
dear clear thought
Fri, 03/23/2007 - 19:23 ET by tumbler_2007I know of no illegal aliens registering to vote anywhere. Period. Asking me something of that sort is to assume I know, a simple mistake.
At least I must thank you for not attacking my church. Guy and Arthur assailed the Catholic Church on account of not knowing any other way to counter my legitimate arguments (nor Geraldo's I guess) about illegal immigrants. (So did Thomas, OK ? I call them the unholy three.) )
It's clear nobody here believes the GOP has ignored, taken for granted, and finally alienated the entire Spanish-speaking segment of our voters. But that's the case altogether. What do you want me to do? Deny the obvious? Dick Morris, I repeat, said exactly the same. Go ahead, hate him too. But thank you for not hating the Pope and the Catholic faith.
Tumbler...You are being your
Fri, 03/23/2007 - 23:02 ET by Clear thinkerTumbler...
You are being your dishonest self again and to tell you the truth, you really piss me off. I am telling you it happened in my state and you act as if it's impossible just because you have not seen it.
If you have to....pretend I'm not lying to you and answer my question!
When it comes to the illegals issue I could care less what religion you are. All that matters to me is that you beleive in GOD, end of that story! Now answer my original question.
The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.
I'm very honest
Sat, 03/24/2007 - 00:26 ET by tumbler_2007I know of no illegal aliens registering to vote anywhere. Period. Asking me something of that sort is to assume I know, a simple mistake. Do YOU know of it? You can't convince me. You have no proof.
Ask somebody else.
tumbs
Sat, 03/24/2007 - 00:41 ET by gfrrmanAs I recall, there was a Democrat during the 2004 election in California that was telling illegal immigrants to register to vote whether they were legal or not. Can't remember the ladys' name, but I do remember it happening. She was standing at a rally and telling the people that it didn't matter if they were illegal or not, but to register to vote anyway. Now I'm not saying anyone DID do this but I would bet it did happen.
stumbler
Sat, 03/24/2007 - 23:38 ET by SportPoliticstumbler_1007 ADD
You are a LIAR.
Time for confession for you.
Here you go, illegal apologis
Sun, 03/25/2007 - 00:09 ET by Roger the ShrubberHere you go, illegal apologist.
ClearThinker
Sat, 03/24/2007 - 17:57 ET by misterbill"You will issue all of them a license regardless of proof or non-proof of their status, then you will make sure you sign them up to vote".
Please, please, please tell me that there is a federal law that this man violated. Then please tell me the employee reported him to the FBI in NC.
I have no facts but I believe many illegal voters were involved in the November elections.
"Geraldo Rivera was sp
Fri, 03/23/2007 - 19:18 ET by ckc1227"Geraldo Rivera was spot on about our GOP. He nailed it;"
The only thing he nailed was his hot wife. The other things are just Geraldo being his typical liberal, illegal-apologist self.
"we've alienated AMERICAN hispanics and Mexican American voters for the next 100 years. If youz guys can refute them --DO SO !"
Sure we have. We have rufuted your failry tale, on multiple occasions. To make further attempts would only be a waste of time.
Illegal Immigrants cause global warming. Build the wall to save the Earth. Don't we owe it to the children?
ckc is also a lost cause
Fri, 03/23/2007 - 19:29 ET by tumbler_2007No, ck, you "rufuted" nothing. EVER. See above post sent to clear thinker; it applies double to you, and I know nothing of anybodys hot wife. Youz guys are on a gross trip today. You can't debate in good faith. One of you knocks the Catholic Church; the next one makes salacious remarks about another man's wife. (Bunch of damn cretins.) --"Failry tale." Ugh.
I am posting this up front to make it easier to get to
Mon, 03/26/2007 - 00:10 ET by misterbill"It is also clear that there is an active effort by the Mexican government to organize Mexicans living in the United States to demand political rights and to influence their activities towards furthering the political objectives of Mexico. This paternalistic and intrusive posture of the Mexican government goes beyond Mexicans living in the United States; Mexico also asserts that it represents Americans who renounced their Mexican citizenship when they became naturalized U.S. citizens, and they have encouraged persons born in the United States to Mexican parents to apply for Mexican nationality."
Here and now I am no longer excusing Mexico. It appears to be the amin culprit in our gradual loss of part of the USA. I do not like to go back to the old saying, but "America, love it or leave it".
That includes Heraldo Ambiverant.
An ugly American is one who does not support his country.
Exactly!!! How can these Li
Fri, 03/23/2007 - 12:05 ET by mattmExactly!!! How can these Libs overlook so obvious a point? Unless they're either deliberately spreading lies, or they're complete idiots...
"Newsbusting" the Hartford Courant
Fri, 03/23/2007 - 12:24 ET by RJIt's both of the above. Here's an example of a newspaper deliberately spreading lies....
The lies occured in a long front page article in a recent edition of the Hartford Courant (sister paper of the Washington Post.)
Disguised as showing the public why immigrants are valuable in bolstering our work force (no one argues this), the article didn't mention "illegal" until the 14th paragraph. The only use of the word came as a back-handed slap against "anti-immigrant activists" who had illegals as their focus.
That's incorrect on two levels. First, it falsely conveys the message that anyone who is anti-illegal immigrant is really anti-immigrant. Second, the true "activists" are the groups who want to legitimize illegals, not those who want our laws properly enforced.
In addition to avoiding the word "illegal", the reporter repeatedly used the catchphrase used by illegal alien apologists and activists: "international migration." Of course, "anti-immigrant", combined with "international migration" are preferred by those who demand that our laws be disregarded.
Like a good liberal, when I contacted him the reporter weakly defended hmself by claiming that I was taking him "out of context."
Hartford Courant, you've been "Newsbusted!"
When "illegals" have children
Fri, 03/23/2007 - 13:31 ET by nicksmith112When "illegals" have children or need medical care, who pays for that???
Who pays for the education of the "illegals"???
Why aren't these points mentioned in the same breath as "bolster the work force" or "cheap labor"?????
Ah yes Geraldo, he's like t
Fri, 03/23/2007 - 12:01 ET by MightyMouthAh yes Geraldo, he's like the looney uncle that everyone loves, and talks about.
BTW, has anyone ever seen him without that atrocious stash?
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
No MM, because without the st
Fri, 03/23/2007 - 12:05 ET by bassndudeNo MM, because without the stash it shows his upper lip looks like a Chimpanzees.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
cue tumbler swooping in to
Fri, 03/23/2007 - 12:09 ET by MightyMouthcue tumbler swooping in to pounce on the nazi racist bassndude! :-O
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
MM...You had to go and mentio
Fri, 03/23/2007 - 12:17 ET by Clear thinkerMM...
You had to go and mention his name. I'm hoping he took our advice and went to Mexico to help his poor brethren.
The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.
I wonder if tumbler would b
Fri, 03/23/2007 - 12:28 ET by MightyMouthI wonder if tumbler would be willing to admit that a large number of Mexicans wouldn't care to immigrate to the U.S. The reason? They see how many in the Hispanic community are corrupted by rap-loving-baggypant-wearin-gangbangin youths. Why come here and subject your kids to such trash?
I have worked in many parts of Mexico and must say I have never met a more family oriented hard working group of people as a whole. Of course I worked with technical people who seem to comprise the very small middle class in Mexico.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
He's in Paris
Fri, 03/23/2007 - 12:39 ET by RJI think he said he was going to Paris. Undoubtedly he wants to confront the Muslims, who, in his words, "Hardly know they've left Afghanistan, they're so bold."
Displaying his usual logic, Tumbles says that's not racist, but to say the same thing about Mexicans would be racist. ;^>
another mindless clear think
Fri, 03/23/2007 - 12:43 ET by tumbler_2007Yo; one more of the clueless remarks of a so-called clear thinker.
I have no brethren south of the border. Not one. Add to that CLEAR statement, you never gave me advice. If you had, I'd remember it. I'd never follow it, but I'd remember it; just as I remember to take out the trash.
oops, my bad! "There
Fri, 03/23/2007 - 12:48 ET by MightyMouthoops, my bad!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Nazi racist??? Look, I can ta
Fri, 03/23/2007 - 12:34 ET by bassndudeNazi racist??? Look, I can take being called one, but not both at the same time...you have to pick one. Only one.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
How about one word... Nazirac
Fri, 03/23/2007 - 12:37 ET by Clear thinkerHow about one word... Naziracist?
Tumbler would be so proud of me ;-)
The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.
Thats ok, I can accept that :
Fri, 03/23/2007 - 12:40 ET by bassndudeThats ok, I can accept that :-)
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Hehe, think about it guys.
Fri, 03/23/2007 - 12:46 ET by MightyMouthHehe, think about it guys. Hilter DID accomplish something. What word would we use if there had never been any "Nazis"?
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Moderate, or liberal come to
Fri, 03/23/2007 - 12:53 ET by bassndudeModerate, or liberal come to mind.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Isn't Geraldo himself illegal
Fri, 03/23/2007 - 12:04 ET by ThisnThatIsn't Geraldo himself illegal? If not, then he should be.
I had hoped that the Clueless
Fri, 03/23/2007 - 12:15 ET by BruzillaI had hoped that the Clueless Patrol was more efficient at picking up the clueless amongst us than the Border Patrol was at picking up illegals, but the fact that Geraldo is still at-large and writing such dribble is proof that my hopes have been quashed.
Hugo Chavez is just the latest in a long-line of failing egomainiacs turned national leader, who when their failures as leaders places them at risk, they try to deflect blame for their failures on some other person or people. In Chavez's case, his choice was America and George Bush (gee... how original). And since the enemy of my enemy is my friend, the liberals and MSM played up and validated every whacked-out thing Chavez said and every claim he made... no matter of how insane it was. It wasn't Republicans or the minutemen that built up Chavez, it was the Hate Bush crowd and their lackies in the MSM.
Lastly, I noticed that Geraldo points out the decrease in Hispanics who voted for Republicans in 2006, supposedly because of the focus on illegal immigration issues, and states that this is a reason for Republicans to reverse course on "ille-gration" reform, but he fails to mention how many non-Hispanic voters opted not to vote for Republicans because they failed to enact any illegal immigration reforms. I'm guessing that the later of these two groups is far larger, and I base this on the fact that since Hispanic voters are a relatively small minority of Republican voters, a small drop in their numbers would not have been enough to cause Republican losses. The numbers needed to justify the election results would have to have been the result of the larger non-Hispanic voter base staying home. Yet another "inconvenient truth" that guys like Geraldo don't want to deal with.
This is a perfect example of
Fri, 03/23/2007 - 12:54 ET by EdhenryThis is a perfect example of liberal authorship. Paste degrading labels on people who have a reasonabe position different than yours (thise that would enforce the laws as written, the bastards), then use PC as a sword against any fact based argument.
The funny thing is that HR doesn't realize he lost the argument with any grounded american with a double negative: Ignore what is right and wrong for political purposes.
This article is just another way of saying we "owe" illegals special treatment and you are a racist if you even THINK otherwise. It's not your boarder/country, your laws are bigoted, any social costs are humanitarian and owed by you, you greedy, facist, ugly, selfish capitalist that we are certain made your money on the backs of someone oppressed.
I am flattered that the whole world want to come to my country, to participate in a system that has proven to be the standard for all history. And I am certain many who come here are wonderful additions. But we have immigration laws, just like every other country. Either change the laws, or enforce them. Don't advance to reasonable americans to ignore the laws our representatives have passed (But Mexico and other countries will always be allowed to enforce their immigration laws).
"Lastly, I noticed tha
Fri, 03/23/2007 - 19:43 ET by ckc1227"Lastly, I noticed that Geraldo points out the decrease in Hispanics who voted for Republicans in 2006, supposedly because of the focus on illegal immigration issues, and states that this is a reason for Republicans to reverse course on "ille-gration" reform, but he fails to mention how many non-Hispanic voters opted not to vote for Republicans because they failed to enact any illegal immigration reforms."
He also assumes Hispanics didn't vote for Republicans because of the "non-crackdown" on illegals, instead of the more likely reason that support dropped across the board, which was discontent with the Republican party in general. This helps explain why anti-illegal legislation passed easily in most every state where such legislation was introduced, including Arizona, where they ignored anti-illegal Republicans and instead voted for anti-illegal Democrats.
The Hispanic vote for Repubs dropped by 8 percent; the non-Hispanic vote dropped by 7 percent. If Hispanics were so alienated as in Tumbler's and Geraldo's wet dream, one would assume the difference would be greater than 1 percent. One might also assume that at least 1 percent of non-Hispanic voters turned against Repubs because they did nothing about illegal immigration. I'd rather have that 1 percent.
Illegal Immigrants cause global warming. Build the wall to save the Earth. Don't we owe it to the children?
Why is it that you assume it
Sat, 03/24/2007 - 02:12 ET by Airforce_5_OWhy is it that you assume it is anti-Mexican. How about get rid of the Illegal Alien.
They are not just from Mexico; they are from all over central and south America. They are from China and other countries all over the world.
Plus: This is a Security Issue. That border is as porous as a sieve. Secure it and kick the ILLEGAL ALIEN out of the country. I don't care what country they are from.
you can't dismiss the Mexico connection
Sat, 03/24/2007 - 02:33 ET by tumbler_2007I know there are other nationalities involved.
But we here in the southwest are mostly overburdened with Mexican illegal immigrants, Airforce.
The boys from Mexico have traditionally crossed over at will, going back many decades. They're the ones who get captured, deported, and two weeks later sneak back over the pourous border. They've reduced this to an art ! Americans think it's going away. But it never will. WORSE,
Americans see it as a plague; something intolerable and accursed. But it doesn't have to be. Mexicans actually love their own homeland, Mexico. A great majority of illegal workers would return home if any minimal incentive were provided them. They're HOMESICK here! They only come to earn enough for a family waiting for them in the interior of Mexico. If Americans realized this, a better solution might be worked out for both countries. They aren't going to take over our country, that's BS !
Instead we have daily published reports of "Minute Men" and armed men going up & down our southern border threatening an illegal's life and limb. Hatred and confrontation; never a sign of good will. What are they supposed to think?
Well Tumbler, if they are hom
Sat, 03/24/2007 - 02:47 ET by Airforce_5_OWell Tumbler, if they are home sick. They can carry themselves HOME. I don't care that they are homesick. Illegal is ILLEGAL. The threat from the border is real. Close it and kick them out. Simple. Enforce the law.
Tell you what Tumbler. Go to the border and sneak across into Mexico and see what happens. You will go to jail.
You are not telling me a thing. I live in NC. I worked the Tobacco fields as a young man to get money for clothes for me and my brothers. I was poor coming up and worked my butt off to get where I am today. Yes this is a land of opportunity but that is for the legal citizen to do the same. I want the worlds brightest to come and partake, but do it legally.
Done. Simple. LEGAL.
air force answer irrelevant
Sat, 03/24/2007 - 15:01 ET by tumbler_2007This will also reply to BW222. --Air Force; I know the exact meaning of illegal. I do NOT advocate open borders; although it IS open for us going southward into Mexico. You don't have to "sneak in." The reason, of course is that Americans don't set up a household or shop. They visit and return. So, please don't come back at me with these inane points of view. All I'm referring to is the constant harping by Americans who should know better; the hate speech not just against illegals but against their country. It is a basically supremacist rhetoric.
Whether or not it's accurate and true, the habits of our citizens are perceived as a racist attitude.
The Republican right is intent on firing broadsides at those Mexicans who reach this country out of desperation. You don't care. All you care about is sealing the border. But you hurt our cause more than you help it.
You ignore the fact that on our side lives a myriad of Spanish-speaking Americans, LEGAL and all voters-- who resent this hate speech and the vile attitudes you don't even try to disguise. They see this lack of good will and react with understandable outrage. You're throwing out the baby with this bathwater. They resent us (Republicans) so much that they turn to the Democrats as the better option.
This is the realistic sense of our party which Geraldo Rivera and Dick Morris have defined EXACTLY. No matter if you remain in denial, it's going to cut off your noses to spite your own face. Your blindness is going to continue costing us elections. Nobody wants to touch our party with a shovel! It's because of HATRED on the Right, for an entire ethnic group. Legal or illegal. They ALL have cause for resentment.
All anybody in this thread, from Geoffrey down to the lowest common denominator (R J ) all you do is hurl insults at Geraldo Rivera, disputing him as if he were scum. Guess what, Air, and BW222--? Geraldo will still be living in a plush Manhattan apartment and dining on filets; he just regards you as simpletons.
Welcome back, you demented old fool
Sat, 03/24/2007 - 15:51 ET by RJWelcome back, you demented old fool....and I say that with the kindest of intentions. ;^>
Did you have the chance to teach a few of your "bold Muslims" that they were no longer living in Afghanistan?
welcome yourself, Bozo
Sat, 03/24/2007 - 16:32 ET by tumbler_2007I'm welcome but I haven't been gone.
I leave for Paris the last week of April, Doofus. Eat your stupid heart out.
Well pardon moi, o demented one
Sat, 03/24/2007 - 16:46 ET by RJWell, pardon moi, o demented one. Guess your social secretary sent the wrong travel dates. Hard to get good help these days.....say, I know of a group of folks who are willing to do the work that real Americans won't do....but you have to be careful....I hear they can be pretty bold....
Bumbler, try living illegally
Sat, 03/24/2007 - 06:04 ET by BW222Bumbler, try living illegally in Mexico and see how fast you go to jail and how long you stay there.
dear BW222 :
Sat, 03/24/2007 - 15:00 ET by tumbler_2007You obviously don't know what you're talking about.
Huh???
Sat, 03/24/2007 - 18:33 ET by sarcasmoWait a second (I'm hesitant to get involved in this debate, but I've had a few rum & OJs this afternoon, so I'm stupid-enough today). Do you mean by saying this that Mexico does NOT have stricter laws regarding illegal immigration to Mexico than we have regarding illegal immigration into the USA? I'm pretty sure you'll need to give me an actual cite for that allegation if so, because everything I've seen & heard says otherwise...BTW, if any Republicans are actually-interested, Dr. Ron Paul is every-bit as strong as Tancredo on this particular issue, as if the invisible candidate ever-mattered to anyone-else here but me...
JMR
Immigration - MSM shaped the stalemate
Fri, 03/23/2007 - 12:50 ET by Gary HallImmigration - MSM shaped the stalemate last year. That's my view. While the strong views of Tancredo and Sensenbrenner can clearly be viewed as a bit right of the majority view of most Americans, those views are not nearly as much to the right as the MSM's view is to the left of the majority consensus view - according to most all polls conducted over a long period of time. I might add - it would appear to me that the MSM's consensus view would sit rather close to, and possibly more to the left of Teddy Kennedy's view.
Not offered up to debate, by the media, was what should have been commonly understood. Former President Bill Clinton spoke out strongly in favor of the Bush immigration reform platform. The Bush view is just left of the consensus view of the public's desire for meaninful refom. I might suggest that Lou Dobbs accurately reflects the majority view of voters on this one.
Also censored from the national debate (which is mostly conducted by the MSM) were the strong views of rather respected (by the left) Democrats in recent years. These include JFK, Clinton's Immigration Reform Commission chair, the late Rep. (D of TX) Barbara Jordan, and none other than Senator Harry Reid, D. of NV. Reid's 1993 immigration reform bill, was a staunch stab at meaningful immigration reform - both legal and illegal. Keeping these positions in the discussion during last years debate, would have resulted in meaningful legislation being passed.
According to the MSM's usual treatment of Democrat's; nothing in their past has to be revisited once they change their view 180 degrees, especially when the old view is not in lock step with the agenda the media wishes to push.
The debate that should have taken place last year in the media, and in the halls of congress, should have focused on a compromise between the left of center view of Bush/Clinton and the right of center view of Sensenbrenner.
We could have lived with that.
You know that boy hasn't been
Fri, 03/23/2007 - 12:51 ET by Airforce_5_OYou know that boy hasn't been right since Hulk Hogan slapped his a$$ around when he was investigating if Pro Wrestling was real.
Wonder why the heck he even bothered.
In the 30's, the Germans
Fri, 03/23/2007 - 12:52 ET by misterbillIn the 30's, the Germans wanted "their" Sudetenland back--look what happened. To attribute the goals of ILLEGAL (please liberals look up defintion) immigrants to recovering "their" land is specious. The revanchism of the Southwest USA by Mexico is fraudulent. The rush at the border is not caused by the families of those from centuries ago. It is the press of an oppressed people living in a bad economy with no work, because of the poor government and the caste policies of Mexico.
It is the beginning of the end of the USA as we know it. Elected officials of Hispanic origin who were born in America, never had to take an oath of allegiance to support America. Many of them are helping in the illegal effort of the immigrants.
Viva Aztlan, we will take it back! I think that is the rallying cry of Mexico.
An ugly American is one who does not support his country.
Misterbill... Correct.When th
Fri, 03/23/2007 - 15:46 ET by BDMisterbill... Correct.
When the US took over California, New Mexico and Arizona, the US soldiers who moved in did not begin to deport all of the citizens (Anglo-Indian-Hispanic etc) from the territory that they moved into. Infact, many of the land owners of New Mexico, and the original vintbners of California were all original families that date back to the 1820's.
So this claim that those who currently live south of the border to the land north fo it is as specious as my claim to all of Mexican Sonora (THough I think I could run the place better than the current officeholders there- perhaps it is somethign they should think about.
This reminds me of the various land swaps of the 1800's. THere were a few places on the 49th parallel that now seperates us from Canada. Since I grew up in land that used to belong to Canada, does that mean I should now advocate giving it back even though we received it via a treaty? How about Pig Island in the San Juan Staits?
Should Russians get ALaska back?
Geraldo, I mean Jerry Rivers
Fri, 03/23/2007 - 13:48 ET by NoMoreClintonsGeraldo, I mean Jerry Rivers, is the biggest phony on television. When Fox says he is coming on I run for the remote. They should GET RID of this idiot. Better yet, have him crawl back into Al Capone's vault and lock the door behind him.
dear No More Clintons
Fri, 03/23/2007 - 14:31 ET by tumbler_2007Yeah; on the whole you see the truth about Rivera. But where this illegal immigration matter is concerned, HE NAILED IT. Too late to "get rid of him."
BTW; My posts in this thread are being deleted one by one. I have to wonder if Geoffrey Dickens knows why, or if he's in fact deleting me.
I find that unfair. His blog argument is clear enough; Geraldo is just out of control; why this is madness !
But when someone dared to agree with Geraldo, was it permitted for him to post his points of view? Uncensored ? ? ? NewsBusters isn't bigoted to such an extent, and I'm not even a troll; why cut off my participation? Is Geoffrey afraid of competiton? No knee-jerk, no license to speak ? Is he an American blogger, or merely a self-serving junior narcissist ?
One thing for sure; I agree with YOU-- No More Clintons, EVER !
Where does Geraldo get this
Fri, 03/23/2007 - 16:10 ET by Squalls BladeWhere does Geraldo get this stuff? I WISH the GOP had been taken over by these "extremists" he speaks of, instead I see republicans scattering about being liberals like they've been doing for years now. If Geraldo is right then surely we will all see my man Ron Paul get the GOP nomination. Right???
Democracy is not enough. If the culture dies, the country dies. - Pat Buchanan
"Where does Geraldo ge
Fri, 03/23/2007 - 19:52 ET by ckc1227"Where does Geraldo get this stuff? I WISH the GOP had been taken over by these "extremists" he speaks of, instead I see republicans scattering about being liberals like they've been doing for years now."
Exactly. As a result, voters are saying to themselves " If my choice is between 2 liberals, I may as well vote for the Democrat". The other voters are just staying home.
Illegal Immigrants cause global warming. Build the wall to save the Earth. Don't we owe it to the children?
How many hundreds of millions
Fri, 03/23/2007 - 16:18 ET by JDWHow many hundreds of millions has Clinton pocketed from the UAE, more than anyone else? What's behind those relationships? We know he was a key player in Dubai (before his 'teammates' let him down). How much Saudi, Arab, Dubai... money has been thrown his way? And who is running in 08?
JDW
Wounded skier, beware of mistakes.
News media: Scoreboard for terrorists
The 2006 election was lost
Fri, 03/23/2007 - 19:54 ET by radiofitz34The 2006 election was lost for 2 primary reasons. 1: the Iraq War (and the fact the MSM said the word quagmire 100's of times) 2: The failure of the Bush administration and the GOP lead congress to follow through on several fronts pertaining to the illegal immigration problem.
I don't trust either side of the aisle on the 2nd issue anymore. If we "need" a few thousand more illegals, no problem cause those already here will have children.
I say build that fence and damn the criticism. Illegal means illegal. Just like your hand is a hand and not a foot.
please radiofitz34--take note
Sat, 03/24/2007 - 02:18 ET by tumbler_2007You state very confidently: "The 2006 election was lost for 2 primary reasons. 1: the Iraq War (and the fact the MSM said the word quagmire 100's of times) 2: The failure of the Bush administration and the GOP lead congress to follow through on several fronts pertaining to the illegal immigration problem."
But that's not an informed opinion. You should bear in mind that our majority in Congress was lost in various hard-fought states by very slim margins. If enough hispanics had seen fit to vote for the Gop candidates, just a FEW out of a hundred in each of those states;
We would have won them narrowly. You know the main reason those Mexican-American & hispanic voters went opposite their basic inclinations (conservative) our candidates could have overcome the "2 primary reasons" you enumerate falsely;
The true reasons were our Republican emphasis on the "EVILS" of aliens from Mexico; who came over to DESTROY our culture and take OVER the country. (Emphasis is on the dumb rhetoric used ad nauseam even HERE in NewsBusters blogs ! )
You know, the word gets around, radiofitz: Republicans are all racists! That was the conventional wisdom that led a large voting bloc to abandon us in November 2006. At least a sizeable number of conservative Spanish-speaking voters who believed the scuttlebutt from the Left. Don't close your eyes to the truth ! It was mostly OUR fault, for going way over the top in everyday hate speech and incendiary rhetoric.
tumbs
Sat, 03/24/2007 - 02:28 ET by gfrrmanWell, tumbler they ARE invading our country and ARE ILLEGAL so.......and it's not hate to point out that one would like people to come here LEGALLY. Notice I didn't say Mexicans. I said people...that means all that are ILLEGAL are welcome long as they come here the LEGAL way. Noticed you had to include the word racist in your rant. Never fails.....sad.
get a life, frgggman
Sat, 03/24/2007 - 02:39 ET by tumbler_2007NOBODY is "invading our country." That's the kind of useless rhetoric that blinds the minds of so many decent Americans.
Notice that even if you DIDN'T say Mexicans, the insinuation you make is that "hordes of undesirables and freeloaders" are here without permission. That is derogatory bullsh!t. INVADING is a myth.
But in fact they're PEOPLE. Many are very fine people; so get off your high horse and realize how bigoted you sound. . . . SAD--
Where do you live tumbler?
Sat, 03/24/2007 - 02:51 ET by Airforce_5_OWhere do you live tumbler?
tumb
Sat, 03/24/2007 - 02:55 ET by gfrrman"Invade: To enter and overrun harmfully: To encroach upon: violate..." Webster's dictionary. See anything that doesn't apply to ILLEGAL aliens? I didn't think so. Truth is truth no matter how hard it is to accept. I don't blame them for coming here. LEGAL is the way. And yes, "hordes of undesirables and freeloaders" are here without permission." That is a fact!! YOU said it!! Deal with that. As has been said to you excessively, ILLEGAL immigrants are fine to come here LEGALLY..that's something you can't get through your thick skull. Btw, your continued use of the words bigot AND racist are misapplied and unwarranted. Easy to throw those words around when you have no idea the true definition. Educate thyself, bro.
invade: to enter and overrun harmfully
Sat, 03/24/2007 - 17:30 ET by tumbler_2007You defined invade; though it hardly applies to a few million aliens in a total population of 300 million.
Let me define (Merriam-Webster) the word BIGOT :
Main Entry: big·ot
Pronunciation: 'bi-g&t
Function: noun
Etymology: French, hypocrite, bigot
: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance
YES; and how definitely it applies to at least a few Anglo-Americans of this blogsite. They come here staunchly bigoted; minds made up. No one can budge them, and some are filled with an adamant hatred for Mexicans or the same ethnic origin from South America. They'll deny it; but they never back down to reason. It's a racial thing; look down into your heart, grffman.
HA! "Btw, your continued use of the words bigot AND racist are misapplied and unwarranted. Easy to throw those words around when you have no idea the true definition. Educate thyself, bro." Too bad you didn't educate thyself, --They aren't misapplied or unwarranted, are they?
It seems Tumbler is the true bigot here
Sat, 03/24/2007 - 18:58 ET by RJBigot: n. A person of strong conviction or prejudice, especially in matters of religion, race or politics, who is intolerant of those who differ with him.
(American Heritage Dictionary)
Now, could there be a better description of Tumbler, our very own loudmouth Bigot? ;^>
Nicely done, RJ.Now, how abou
Sat, 03/24/2007 - 19:12 ET by BlondeNicely done, RJ.
Now, how about a pleasant thought...the Elite Eight? Final Four?
Maybe we could take it over to the Open Thread?
Never mind, I found it.I have
Sat, 03/24/2007 - 03:05 ET by Airforce_5_ONever mind, I found it.
I have a fishing buddy who lives do the road from me here from Mexico. His name is George. He came here twenty years ago as a young man on a work visa. Got a job and started the process of getting his citizenship. He got it and met a nice girl here in the states. Got married and worked his butt off. He works for the county here in the schools and is the second man in charge of maintenance. We are great friends and in a bout an hour I'm going to pick him up so we can fish a tournament in Durham starting at 0700.
You want to know what chaps his hide. ILLEGALS FROM BELOW THE BORDER. He says he did the right way so why can't they.
Get the visa. When it is done, go home or apply for another one.
How is that Racist or bigoted. Please tell me.
Well, it is obvious that &quo
Sun, 03/25/2007 - 19:27 ET by Roger the ShrubberWell, it is obvious that "George" must be Italian or Portugese or some other southern European descent (hence his dark complexion), since the only people against illegal immigration are white nazi klansmen. You might want to double-check your friend's ethnicity, AF. I bet you he's Italian, and you know all about Mussolini, right?
If "nobody" is inva
Sun, 03/25/2007 - 19:13 ET by NL207If "nobody" is invading our country then Mexicans are nobody and obviously should not ever be permitted to vote. Whatever kind of people they are and regardles of wherever they might have been born, the mere fact they are forcing they way across our borders in spite of the law and over whatever barriers that may have been erected to prevent them, makes them by the very definition of the word, INVADERS.
Only you, our resident bigot, racist, Roman Catholic chauvinist and homophobe, would have the cheek to deny this is an invasion. I even think you would have found a way to excuse the Auto da Fe had it been contemporary.
Bumbler -I realize you are bi
Sat, 03/24/2007 - 06:12 ET by BW222Bumbler -
I realize reality for you centers around Jerry Rivers and pro wrestling, but here's a quote from a Pew Research Center 2006 election exit poll. Sorry if the facts confuse you (they usually do):
"As expected, the election turned out in large measure to be a referendum on President Bush and the war in Iraq -- bad news for Republicans. About six-in-ten voters (59%) said they were either dissatisfied (30%) or angry (29%) with the president. By more than two-to-one, those dissatisfied with Bush supported the Democratic candidate in their district (69%-29%); among those angry with the president the margin was more than fifteen-to-one (92%-6%).
Bush was much more of a drag on his party's candidates than was former President Clinton in 1994, the year that Republicans won control of Congress. More than a third (36%) of the electorate said they voted to oppose Bush; that compares with 27% who voted to oppose Clinton in 1994, and 21% in 1998, the year Congress impeached the president."
radiofitz
Sat, 03/24/2007 - 17:40 ET by misterbillI do not usually get involved in any issues re:immigration with Tumbler. However, I would like YOU to tell me how HE knows it was the Hispanic vote that hurt the Republican party in the last election. I strongly believe it was the Iraq situation. If there was something to do with immigration, it was an effort to remove from office those who had been sitting on their hands and doing nothing. So, I believe that you are correct and someone else is not, unless that person was rigging the voting machines. Remember "chads? LOL
He knows because of the slim margins
Sat, 03/24/2007 - 18:00 ET by tumbler_2007It's quite easy to explain why I KNOW.
Our loss margins in many states were razor-thin. All the votes we might've gained without this patent alienation of minorities would have spared us at least SOME of our closest losses.
To think that a truly excellent candidate for the 2008 presidency, George Allen; fell by the wayside by less than a thousand votes-- because we had no loyal hispanic voters to help us in his state-- Even though these are conservatives ! Hispanic conservatives were ignored by the GOP. That cost us a prime candidate in Allen, and in other states, we also lost narrowly. Explain it if you can; you're hopelessly deceiving yourselves.
geraldo
Fri, 03/23/2007 - 22:28 ET by lance sjogrenRemember folks, Geraldo is a tabloid journalist, not a real journalist.
My take is that he has decided to emulate Dick Morris. Those who have followed Morris' stuff (hopefully just for comedy relief) will see the similarities.
by the way
Fri, 03/23/2007 - 22:38 ET by lance sjogrenIt sure would be great if everyone could avoid the sort of childish dialog you find on sites like freerepublic.com.
If you mean my last line La
Fri, 03/23/2007 - 23:55 ET by radiofitz34If you mean my last line Lance. That was for the trolls, not you.
Heraldo is an idiot
Sat, 03/24/2007 - 17:15 ET by SportPoliticsHeraldo is an idiot. Chavez has worshipped Castro, and they have a mutual prop friendship. Castro saved Chavez from overthrow, and Chavez pumps all the 2 billion dollars worth of oil used into Cuba for near free every year. Chavez wants to be the next Castro.
Get a clue Heraldo, it's not all about your race, or a race, whatever you are, besides a moronic fool.
Enter tumbler for a rant...
Sat, 03/24/2007 - 17:19 ET by Guy Arthur ThomasEnter tumbler for a rant about racism, bigotry, hatemongering...blah blah blah....snxxx Next Please!
P.S. Sport...what is with 'Raldo? Every friggin thing is about him...hey wait...you don't think tumbler the dumbler and Geraldo are...nah...never mind.
Shut up and blog! If you claim to be a conservative, please don't disgrace yourself and conservatism by thinking and arguing like a liberal. Go Rudy!
guy and art, also tom
Sat, 03/24/2007 - 17:38 ET by tumbler_2007Have the unholy three run out of relevant posts? The fact is, Broke-Back;
This thread is ABOUT Geraldo Rivera, not about your current hard on.
If you dislike my POV, sit on it. I really don't want your seal of approval, since you demeaned the Catholic Church in your altogether unreasonable haste to demean me. That broke up our warm friendship. --It wasn't Rivera, it was your bigotry.
And; for the record: Tumbler doesn't have to "rant". When you uphold the TRUTH, there's nothing desperate about it; and I uphold only the Truth. (It's rather EASY !)
We had a warm friendship?
Sat, 03/24/2007 - 18:37 ET by Guy Arthur ThomasHmmmm, we had a warm friendship? I thought I was just the guy whose shoes you kept pi$$ing on while holding an umbrella over your head to try and keep some of the tomato bombs being thrown at you by everyone else. At least you reaffirm that "no good deed goes unpunished"....carry on with your Crusades tumbler.
Shut up and blog! If you claim to be a conservative, please don't disgrace yourself and conservatism by thinking and arguing like a liberal. Go Rudy!
what a buffoon bumbler be
Sat, 03/24/2007 - 18:39 ET by RJunholy three...Broke back....hard on....sit on it...your bigotry...
no rant? not desperate?...hahaha....what a buffoon bumbler be.
supremacist rhetoricThe influ
Sat, 03/24/2007 - 17:33 ET by dahliatraverssupremacist rhetoric
The influx of undocumented immigrants from all countries is the fault of the United States, which had inexplicably made the decision to stop, or considerably slow down, enforcement of immigration laws, most egregiously, against predatory American companies who make a point of employing undocumented workers, thereby enticing people to risk life and limb to come here for a job.
With the raids on Swift and on the Massachusetts factory, it is to be hoped that we have started enforcing our laws again. While we have the right to deport undocumented immigrants as was done to some of the workers in that factory, I strongly prefer that ICE focus on the owners and managers of non-compliant companies. Their crime is far greater than that of the undocumented immigrant worker. Frankly, I'd love to see them - owners and managers - perp-walked out in shackles.
As to supremacist and racist, this is utterly baseless. Whether it is my (hypothetical) distant cousin who sneaks across the border from French Canada to work in a Walmart or my other (hypothetical) distant Irish cousin who comes to work in a restaurant without bothering to fill out papers or a Chinese student who gets her degree from an American university and can't be bothered to get a green card before starting work for an American computer company - OUR LAWS APPLY TO ALL OF THEM. And to all of their slimebag American employers, by the way.
The racist argument is so two years ago. This is a question of legality, not race.
dahliatravers
Sat, 03/24/2007 - 17:44 ET by misterbillI can only say these thing about your post above:
True, hmmm, true, true. Well written, well expressed. It would do my heart good to see some jail time by officers of companies that hire illegals.
immigration update
Sat, 03/24/2007 - 18:05 ET by misterbillHave you all seen this???? I apologize for the length.
From: Roy Beck, President, NumbersUSA Date: Monday 19MAR07 8 p.m. EDT Looking for a way to counter the open-borders protests? Attend big DC pro-borders rally in April DEAR FRIENDS,
Ever since the mass pro-illegal-alien rallies a year ago, many of you have been pushing for an opportunity to make your views and presence known in a Washington D.C. protest.
Here is your chance to do some travel and put your body on public display as standing for the rule of law and against rewards for illegal immigration.
Hold Their Feet To The Fire
April 22-25 (Sunday - Wednesday)
White House Rally on Sunday at 3:30 p.m.
For those of you who have really wanted to hook up with a lot of other people to send a message to the national media and Members of Congress through a public protest, this is your first -- and perhaps best -- chance this year.
The chief host of this event is San Diego radio host Roger Hedgecock who has held several of these in the past -- but none anywhere near as large as this one. His co-host is FAIR (Federation for American Immigration Reform). FAIR has organized and sponsored most of the national immigration reform events over the last three decades.
Click for all information and to register for the event. Or go to:
www.fairus.org
More than two dozen radio talk show hosts from around the country have already signed up to be a part of this three-day event. (See the list lower in this email.)
They will be set up in a "Radio Row" and broadcasting live each day, amplifying the reach of the event hundreds-fold.
NumbersUSA's media coordinator Caroline Espinosa, myself and other staff have been invited to be guests on many of these shows during the broadcasts, and we will be participating in most of the events.
The schedule of activities includes rallies, press conferences, live interviews with Congressmen and Senators, and other receptions and special events designed to put radio hosts, listeners, and hundreds of activists together at the front lines of the illegal alien amnesty debate. There also will be plenty of time for you to visit congressional offices. (Try to set up meetings before you leave home.)
WHITE HOUSE RALLY -- APRIL 22
The most important public protest event will be at 3:30 Sunday afternoon, April 22, in Lafayette Park just across the street from the north side of the White House.
Once again, the White House rally is being sponsored by D.A. King and his Dustin Inman Society of Georgia. They are the ones who have coaxed, educated and guided the Georgia legislature into passing some of the best immigration laws in the country. They are models for activists in every state and locality.
CLICK HERE for more details on the White House rally.
For more on D.A. King's great work (and to contribute to this horribly underfunded but excessively successful organization), go to:
www.thedustininmansociety.org
FUNDRAISER FOR JAILED BORDER PATROL AGENTS
FAIR states this about its Tuesday night event:
Hold Their Feet to the Fire participants will also take up the cause of Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean, the two Border Patrol officers who are serving long prison sentences for having defended themselves and the American public against an illegal alien drug smuggler.
The wives and other family members of the two officers will be in Washington pleading the cases of the two men and will be at the "Defend Those Who Defend Us" fundraising reception, hosted by FAIR. We hope that you will join us at this event and show your support by helping us to raise much needed funds for the legal defense costs of Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean. Advance registration is required if you would like to attend this special fundraising reception, meet the Ramos and Compean families and show your support for the unjustly imprisoned Border Patrol officers. We are also asking for a minimum donation of $25, which will go towards the legal defense of these men.
MEET THESE RADIO TALK SHOW HOSTS
AT 'HOLD THEIR FEET TO THE FIRE'
These hosts already have committed to broadcast from the event:
Roger Hedgecock, KOGO-AM, San Diego, CA
Jon and Ken, KFI-AM, Los Angles, CA
Helen Glover WHJJ-AM Providence, RI
Dan Rivers WKBN-AM Youngstown, OH
Martha Zoller WDUN-AM Atlanta, GA
Phil Valentine Westwood One 50 Stations National
Dom Giordano WPHT-AM Philadelphia, PA
Jeff Katz WBT-AM Charlotte, NC
Marc Bernier WNDB-AM Orlando, FL
Victoria Taft KPAM-AM Portland, OR
Chris Baker KTRH-AM Houston, TX
Steve Clark WFBG-AM Altoona, PA
Dominick Brascia KOLE-AM Beaumont, TX
Bill LuMaye WPTF-AM Raleigh, NC
Les Kinsolving WCBM-AM Baltimore, MD
Dan Gaffney WGMD-FM Rehoboth Beach, DE
Dave Barger, Roy
Goshom, Bob
Alexander WRTA-AM Altoona, PA
Lynn Woolley Syndicated 7 Stations Central Texas
Gary Sutton WSBA-AM York, PA
Steve Gill Syndicated 7 stations Tennessee
Peter Boyles KHOW-AM Denver, CO
James Allman
Asher Benrubi KFTK-FM St. Louis, MO
Armstrong Williams WWRL-AM New York
Janet Parshall Salem Network 100 stations National
Jon David Wells KLIF-AM Dallas, TX
Randy Renshaw KSCJ-AM Sioux City, IA
Phil Williams WNOX-FM Knoxville, TN
Will Anderson WVNN AM/FM Huntsville, AL
For all of you who won't be able to physically be here in Washington DC, you can light a fire RIGHT NOW under Congress, the President and many of his officials (as well as some governors, mayors and some key Catholic bishops and other outrageous supporters of open borders).
Go to your Action Buffet corkboard at:
www.NumbersUSA.com/actionbuffet
Good!
Sat, 03/24/2007 - 18:21 ET by RJGood! It's time to begin kicking back at President Bush, Congress, and the other sell-outs and apologists who actually encourage the destruction of our laws and culture.
your culture?
Sat, 03/24/2007 - 19:35 ET by tumbler_2007Yeah, "your culture". You mean the white supremacist culture, besides which all others ought to be stamped out?
How do you propose, R J, to "kick" George Bush? How many presidents have you ever kicked?
You're hopelessly lost in your self-absorption. And just look at the "culture" you're worried about losing: child pornography, gay and lesbian marriages, abortion on demand, drugs, filthy rap songs, little girls of twelve on contraceptives; how many divorces will you have before you die? What a fine culture. It seems to me our nation could well use a shot in the cultural arm from Mexicans --even those who work picking garlic in the sun at 112 degrees. They could renew our "culture." --OK-- go ahead, kick back at Bush, Big Hero--in your dreams.
Yes, you demented LaRaza Troll
Sat, 03/24/2007 - 19:42 ET by RJYes, you demented LaRaza Troll, our culture. You're too bigoted to see the negative changes going on in America, many of them due to the unabated influx of illegal aliens.
And, yes, kick back (obviously, you're too stupid to understand figurative speech) because we're being kicked in the teeth by President Bush with his agenda that refuses to enforce the law. We're also being kicked in the teeth by YOUR COMPADRES in the leftist movement to apologize for and encourage the illegals in our country.
You sound more like a liberal Troll every day, bumbler. Been reading up on the leftist literature on illegals?
you need help, R J
Sat, 03/24/2007 - 20:00 ET by tumbler_2007You must be off your meds. It means NOTHING to say I'm from La Raza or call me Bumbler. You would love it if I really were. I've disowned that gang here many times. I speak straight and honest, so I don't "bumble". --Therefore you're just soiling your own dishonest bed. (Again.)
Hit me with something truthful, R J; stay on the high ground. It's pathetic to see you slinging mud, instead of debating some useful point. Geraldo Rivera rang your dumb bell; then I seconded him. You have no recourse but to get down on the ground. Like a rattler. But I can't join you there. I still have my pride.
Note I say my pride; because you haven't caused me to feel ashamed for anything I say in this thread. I'm PROUD of saying it; it's all true.
You, OTOH, are worried because you failed to bully me into silence. Let me give you some good advice, Sucker. ....Go fly a kite.
Funny how the LaRaza agenda matches yours
Sat, 03/24/2007 - 20:18 ET by RJHa. You may claim to "disown" LaRaza, but it's revealing that their agenda matches up pretty closely with yours. Think I'll go with your action, not your words.
Funny that you whine about name calling and staying on the high ground. Since the beginning and up to today, you've been the board's name-calling and slime-wading champ....and I doubt that you'd find a single poster to disagree with that statement.
As for pride, the only pride you have left on this board is that of displaying your bigotry, racism and dementia every time you put up your Trollish posts on immigration or religion.
Well, RJ.I must go with you o
Sat, 03/24/2007 - 20:24 ET by BlondeWell, RJ.
I must go with you on this one. You're spot on.
Now watch Tumbler foam on about the mean blonde.
Hi Blonde
Sat, 03/24/2007 - 20:31 ET by RJHi, Blonde. I know you say you don't like bb, but there's a terrific game on right now.
BTW, we're feasting on some hot banana bread I just took out of the oven. Pretty damn good, if I say so myself... ;^>
RJ,OK....UCLA & Kansas.
Sat, 03/24/2007 - 20:36 ET by BlondeRJ,
OK....UCLA & Kansas. Guess I should watch this for the next round.
You are SOOOO talented! Build up your strength.
Attack of the Tumbler is imminent. Sheesh.
Excellent. Thank you.
Sat, 03/24/2007 - 21:03 ET by dahliatraversExcellent. Thank you, misterbill.
dahlia
Sat, 03/24/2007 - 21:18 ET by misterbillI am holding off--We live on a fixed income and we are flying to Tampa in early April. If I see a chance, I will go. Conservatives need to stand up and be counted . We are trying to save America.
I would also, very much, like to spend a couple of weeks helping the minutemen. They are true Americans. I don't know if I will have the resources or strength(I am 74) to do so, but my heart is with them. I am strong enough, though, to tell the fumblebum to put a sock in his prejudiced , bigoted pie hole.
Geraldo Rivera is a Hispani
Sun, 03/25/2007 - 16:02 ET by ScottyDogGeraldo Rivera is a Hispanic racist. Like many Hispanics, he believes that his race is superior to all others and illegal immigration is justified because the Southwest was stolen from Mexico
He labels patriotic Americans vigilantes and compares them to KKK members in his diatribes about Illegal Immigration. There is no illegality that Hispanics commit that cannot be rationalized in Geraldo’s worldview when it comes to his own race violating our immigration laws.
JD Hayworth lost the election in Arizona because he had to fight the RNC, in addition, to his opponent. The Rockefeller republicans refused to back him because he opposes open borders and Amnesty. Even so, he barely lost and it was not his opposition to illegal Immigration as Geraldo tries to imply.
Rivera is a reconquesta of the La Raza Mecha mentality. In his own words, he illustrates that “his” people are justified in breaking our laws to return to their homeland. It is the same crap that the La Raza, reconquesta, crowd believe and spew on their racist Aztlan websites.
Geraldo stated:
“Until the mid-19th Century most of the American Southwest was Mexico. Since the conquest of Texas in 1836, and the treaty that forced Mexico in 1848 to cede the Southwest and then added insult to injury by imposing the Gadsden, Arizona purchase of 1853, generations of Mexican citizens have been allowed back into their former territory whenever we needed their sweat and toil. We have spent a Century and a half winking and nodding at undocumented seasonal workers who risk everything to cross illegally just to get a job to feed their families.”
And here, he justifies or rationalizes their illegal behavior because ;
“Isn't it reasonable to think that residents of Mexico might hold some affection and nostalgia for their lost North America Empire, especially if part of their family still resides on this side of the modern line? Haven't Native Americans in recent decades experienced some small amount of belated justice?”
We have a fellow forum member that constantly rationalizes illegal Immigration for the same reasons. I believe it is because of his ancestry and Tumbler has admitted that in so many words in other heated debates about illegal Immigration right here on this forum.
I cannot believe that FoxNews allows Geraldo Rivera a platform to spread his racist propaganda with impunity. Every time he discusses this issue with Bill O’Reilly he is allowed to make racist accusations against anyone that just wants our immigration laws enforced.
If a white man went on the air and did the same thing, he would be fired and labeled a racist in a New York minute.
Is this Mexico or the USA
Correct, ScottyDog
Sun, 03/25/2007 - 16:14 ET by RJCorrect, ScottyDog. Racism is racism, but not according to the Democrats, the illegal alien apologists, and the LaRaza supporters like Tumbler. Hypocritically, they demand that a different standard be applied to their own blatant bigotry and racism.
On a side note, Rivera delivered a similar dishonest racist rant awhile back on the subject of Statehood for Puerto Rico. I think the reason Fox gives him a platform is clear...he fits their tabloid journalism format.
I am doing a drive by today--but
Sun, 03/25/2007 - 16:21 ET by misterbillI am doing a drive by today--but---is there any possibility that Geraldo and Stumbler are one and the same? Their arguments are too similar for coincidence. Also, Geraldo has good intelligence trapped in a warped mind.
Doctor Jerkit and Mr. Hindend???
An ugly American is one who does not support his country.
the beat goes on
Sun, 03/25/2007 - 16:50 ET by tumbler_2007Yes; this is where scotty Doggie, R J and misterbilly wank their ugly brains out; as if anybody anyplace cares what they say. I sure don't. There's nothing for me to be alarmed about; some clown referring to me as stumbler, bumbler. Or as a racist; or other hispanics as racists.
Why take seriously any view expressed here by such oddballs? They truly don't believe white men in America EVER were racists; or the fact of injustice to minorities EVER existed. They can't even contemplate the possibility we still have racial injustices anymore. Only bad people are unjust or feel superior to an ethnic minority. They won't include themselves in any bad context. But they can hurl the insults at others who protest against their insularity and xenophobia.
That's why another one just as blatantly racist as scotty doggie; (WHO was that? The entire rattler's nest dissolves into confusion) --was it Dave R--? -----That's why Dave R thinks there's nothing wrong about bleating, "There will be BLOOD; just wait !" He can't wait for the shooting to start.
There are wackoes on both sides of our political spectrum; not only the liberal side. These clowns are the fringe element of the Right. UGLY--- certifiably wicked and crazy. When you know they're nuts, it isn't hard to out-debate them; even in the awareness that they can't change. They can't change because they can't reason. Here the are every day with more hate speech, more gross lies, more hatred. What's to be done?
Fight 'em. Fight 'em with MORE reason. So as to show the world how unhinged they are in a conservative, civil debate. I'll be happy if just the inner circle of NewsBusters, Bozell, Sheffield, Baker, et al-- IF THEY might see the hot temperature of these disputes and the open hatred some folks display when they're under pressure. The fringe element has to be EXPOSED.
If...
Sun, 03/25/2007 - 16:57 ET by Guy Arthur ThomasIf you don't care what they say...then what is your exercise in verbosity all about? Duh...tumbler...tumbler...tumbler...you think and argue more like a liberal every day.
Shut up and blog! If you claim to be a conservative, please don't disgrace yourself and conservatism by thinking and arguing like a liberal. Go Rudy!
He just can't help himself GA
Sun, 03/25/2007 - 17:06 ET by bigtimerHe just can't help himself GAT...
He just has to do it every single time...unfortuantely.
big...
Sun, 03/25/2007 - 17:10 ET by Guy Arthur Thomasbigtimer...well, at least he's legal and voting Republican....heh heh : )
Shut up and blog! If you claim to be a conservative, please don't disgrace yourself and conservatism by thinking and arguing like a liberal. Go Rudy!
So he says...GAT...so he says
Sun, 03/25/2007 - 18:28 ET by bigtimerSo he says...GAT...so he says!
It's his story and he's stickin' to it!
LOL!
i understand
Sun, 03/25/2007 - 17:44 ET by tumbler_2007Yes, bigtimer; Unfortunately for you ! Ha !
it doesn't harm me
Sun, 03/25/2007 - 18:02 ET by tumbler_2007My response is to cover the reasonable angles over which they have no control.
None of you is able to change anybody's mind with all your wanks.
Because you march to the same racial and cultural drumbeat. In lockstep. That's partly the reason some here are hard to recall as individuals. They make the identical speeches every day; a hate mantra without let-up. They preach intolerance and their own supremacy. It all begins to sound alike; their names are actually interchangeable.
As for the liberal arguing; that's too bad, GAT. It's my viewpoint as an American hispanic and conservative. To you it seems more conservative to wank away at your racist talking points. You have no real depth or capacity to reason with anyone who opposes your POV. You're what Rush refers to as a "mind-numbed robot." You're PROGRAMMED to incite hatred and to reject morality; you're amoral in your rigid racial superiority. Nobody can teach you or affect you.
And once again...
Sun, 03/25/2007 - 18:26 ET by Guy Arthur ThomasAnd once again tumbler...if what you say is true...what is the exercise in verbosity? Do you always repeat the same mistakes that quickly? Hmmm...speaking of someone that can't be taught....hahahahahahaha
Shut up and blog! If you claim to be a conservative, please don't disgrace yourself and conservatism by thinking and arguing like a liberal. Go Rudy!
spotty doggie
Sun, 03/25/2007 - 19:05 ET by tumbler_2007Hey, Doggie Daddy,
You gave me a nice mention here, as you were running off at the cyber-mouth. Guy despises your verbosity, OK ? Why did you change the subject from "Let's Hate Geraldo Rivera," to "That Reminds Me:"
"We have a fellow forum member that constantly rationalizes illegal Immigration for the same reasons. --? ? ? I believe it is because of his ancestry and Tumbler has admitted that in so many words in other heated debates about illegal Immigration right here on this forum."
Is rationale something you can't enclose in your doggie mind? Humans are in fact rational. When I rationalize, it's not because i approve of illegal immigration, or as the little liar claims, of La Raza. I try to make sense. That's rationale. Try some one of these days, Doggie. Instead of the knee-jerk blather you're used to spilling.
Also-- How do you expect to gain credibility amongst good Americans when you vilify Rivera, calling him a "racist"-- ? That's quite a stretch, and you don't possess much persuasive ability. You'd likely convince your pointy-headed kid and turn him against Latins. But there are actually a thousand or more lurkers in here who are about to file you away under "Nincompoop".
Try to conserve what little credibility you have. Discuss something else. And remember, Guy Arthur Thomas, another closet white supremacist, dislikes verbose posts, so keep it short.
P.S.-- Geraldo is spot on:
Sun, 03/25/2007 - 19:17 ET by tumbler_2007Geraldo, when he gets serious, makes a good point: "Led by candidates like Arizona's J.D. Hayworth, the party essentially adopted the position of the Minutemen and similar radical groups, which promulgated --
a wildly exaggerated portrayal of a tidal wave of brown people overwhelming our southern border, running loose to rape, steal and murder on the streets of our cities."
Did he exaggerate? Was I saying too many similar things here, so that a raft of Mexic-bashers took a huge dislike to me? Yes, Tumbler-- You're right again, Dimmit.
It's your ugly personality, Tumbler, not your position
Sun, 03/25/2007 - 20:14 ET by RJ"took a huge dislike to me"
Hey Tumbler, you can pretend to yourself all you want but it's not your position on illegal aliens that makes you unlikeable.....it's your crude, ugly personality, you demented old fool.
[Said with the best Tough Love intentions, of course. ;^> ]
Let's Pretend
Sun, 03/25/2007 - 23:42 ET by tumbler_2007We can pretend anything you like. I have the truth on my side, R J . Illegal aliens aren't depending on you or me for subsistence. All I've been doing here is presenting a counter-balance to your hatred. Just see for instance, your violent language:
"Ugly, crude, demented, fool." Ouch ! Was it you the other night saying I must hurry up and die ?
Gee, Kid; take off the kid gloves. Tell me REALLY how much you hate me. I can take it.
You only hurt yourself and your so-called cause. All your falderol shows you for what you truly are: Out of Control With Hatred. If sometimes you revealed a soul behind your flaming, some folks might even find a little merit in your cause. But you expose its malevolence and pride. You and the rest of the malcontents here scare good people. However you don't scare tumbler. He's coped with real threats.
Who me?
Sun, 03/25/2007 - 23:50 ET by RJHeck no, Tumbler. I realize that you're old and demented but I never said that. It must have been one of your other fans. I'm the guy with Tough Love, remember? When you were whining about being disliked for your position on the illegals, I'm the guy who helpfully pointed out that you shouldn't think like that....because it's really your crude, ugly personality that everyone here dislikes. ;^>
Tumbster says,He's coped with
Sun, 03/25/2007 - 23:53 ET by bigtimerTumbster says,
He's coped with real threats.
LMAO!
Too hysterically funny...it must be getting close to a full moon!
info
Mon, 03/26/2007 - 00:02 ET by misterbill"A June 2002 Zogby poll of Mexicans found that a substantial majority of Mexican citizens believe that southwestern America is rightfully the territory of Mexico and that Mexicans do not need the permission of the U.S. to enter. The poll found that 58 percent of Mexicans agree with the statement, "The territory of the United States' southwest rightfully belongs to Mexico." Zogby said 28 percent disagreed, while another 14 percent said they weren't sure."
A little more
Mon, 03/26/2007 - 00:06 ET by misterbill"An example of this doctrine was attributed in an AP story in 2000 to a University of New Mexico Chicano Studies professor named Charles Truxillo. Terming the Republica del Norte "an inevitability," he described the area as encompassing all of California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas and southern Colorado, plus the northern tier of Mexican states: Baja California, Sonora, Chihuahua, Coahuila, Nuevo León and Tamaulipas. The professor commented that the new country should be brought into being "by any means necessary," but has modified that to say that it was unlikely to be formed by civil war, and instead would be created through the electoral pressure of the future majority Hispanic population in the region. While Prof. Truxillo's motives and objectives shouldn't be attributed to the Mexican-American community at large, the danger lies in the ability of highly motivated and well-financed radicals to leverage the growing number of Mexicans in the U.S. to achieve their political ends."
I stated almost a year ago when I first joined NB, the danger is from the enemy within. Any elected official who tries to allow any illegal person the powerful right to vote in this country should be convicted of treason and jailed.
are you even serious?
Mon, 03/26/2007 - 00:14 ET by tumbler_2007I know you're abnormal, mister. But are you serious about these non-stories you love to dredge up? In the first place the AP is well-known liberal fishwrap and nobody any longer cares what they write. All of a sudden you're onboard with the ass wholes ? You found a home with the AP --???
Haha! You're even dumber than I first thought. Get outta here with this hogwash.
tumbler..Stick it where the s
Mon, 03/26/2007 - 00:17 ET by bigtimertumbler..
Stick it where the sun doesn't shine...and while you are at it...go to hell.
are you even serious?
Mon, 03/26/2007 - 00:14 ET by tumbler_2007I know you're abnormal, mister. But are you serious about these non-stories you love to dredge up? In the first place the AP is well-known liberal fishwrap and nobody any longer cares what they write. All of a sudden you're onboard with the ass wholes ? You found a home with the AP --???
Haha! You're even dumber than I first thought. Get outta here with this hogwash.
misterb...I agree with you an
Mon, 03/26/2007 - 00:16 ET by bigtimermisterb...
I agree with you and especially your last sentence.
Thank you for posting this information for all to see...please keep up the great work...and do not give up on the good fight!
More than you know agree with you in the real world!
It is vital that more and more info like you are putting out gets the light shone on it!
a little more
Mon, 03/26/2007 - 00:26 ET by misterbillThis from CA state Senator Dennis Hollingsworth, this month in the North County newspaper.
"Even worse, California will spend upward of $750 million this year to process and house illegal immigrants who commit crimes in California, costs that are supposed to be reimbursed to the state treasury under the State Criminal Alien Assistance Program. Unfortunately, we receive only pennies on the dollar back from the federal government, leaving state taxpayers stuck footing the bill for Washington's inability to protect our borders and keep Californians safe. We hope our bipartisan congressional delegation can work together to change that in the months ahead."
An ugly American is one who does not support his country.
misterbill, that poll is scary
Mon, 03/26/2007 - 00:10 ET by RJmisterbill, that poll is scary, because our officials won't take action to stop this slow takeover of our country. Sheesh! I'm almost willing to join the impeachers just on this issue...I wish we could throw all the illegal enabler bums out of office.
RJ I am a little uncertain--
Mon, 03/26/2007 - 00:18 ET by misterbill.RJ I am a little uncertain--but there was a politician in AZ , a state rep, I think , who was trying to make it illegal to arrest illegals. I THINK her proposal was that no law officer in AZ could legally detain or even determine if anyone was in the state illegaly. Fortunately, it was voted down. I lookefd into a bit more and found the woman was married to an Hispanic man. I bring up the ethncity because it shows we have politicians who DO NOT PUT AMERICA FIRST. IT MUST STOP.
Once again, you have de
Sun, 03/25/2007 - 21:59 ET by ScottyDogOnce again, you have demonstrated that it is your race that governs your views about illegal immigration. There is no legality that you will not excuse when it comes to allowing your fellow countryman to illegally invade the land that you feel was stolen from Mexico.
When you and Geraldo are called on your ethnocentricity,
you resort to what you always do, calling the opposition names like xenophobe or bigot.
Is this Mexico or the USA
I never excuse illegal aliens
Mon, 03/26/2007 - 00:01 ET by tumbler_2007Once again you fall back on an outright lie. I've never excused illegals from obeying the law. The simple fact that I'm a Latin is hardly a reason to dismiss my opinions on this matter. I've never blamed your white origins for the evil you do; there are MILLIONS of good, trustworthy and kindly white Americans who live real Christian lives. You could too. But you're consumed with racial bias and hatred of Mexicans. Even if you weren't white I would have to call you a bigot, xenophobe, and prejudiced American.
I know hispanics who are equally guilty. But here today they aren't disputing everything I say. YOU are. So you have to get the old Flying Finger of Fate up your dingle-berry door. (Scotty Doggie says, Ugh! Oh that's awful; if ya don't stop it, Tumbler, you'll be sorry! You better stop it before thirty minutes are up. I'll only wait half an hour; Be still, my heart.)
Whhaaaaa Haha!
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I've never excused illeg
Mon, 03/26/2007 - 00:03 ET by Free StinkerI've never excused illegals from obeying the law.
I call BS !
I never excused illegals....hahahaha!
Mon, 03/26/2007 - 00:13 ET by RJhahahaha! What else can you expect from a demented old fool!
Tumbler, admit it. You wor
Mon, 03/26/2007 - 00:42 ET by mrsimeleTumbler, admit it. You work for La Raza or something similar. Too many illegal aliens are taking up our prison space, our hospitals, our police stations and are starting gangs. Call it a racial thing, fine, but until Latino's can learn to assimilate better as a group into the United States, there needs to be a moratorium on their entry as citizens. Simple as that. I happen to live in California. Mexicans alone make up for a disproportionate number of the crimes. Even blacks are fed up with latinos draining our way of life. This isn't a conservative or liberal thing, I am fairly liberal, ALL American's are seeing the latino's as invaders now.
Hispanics account for more than one in four (27.3%) of the federal inmate population.
Latinos in prison constitute three times their share of the total U.S. population
Oh, by the way, these statistics were taken DIRECTLY from your site: La Raza
America needs people from OTHER countries, besides just Mexico/Puerto Rico, Guatemala, etc, to immigrate. These people are TAKING AMERICA TO THE BOTTOM!!!
I have to give thanks
Mon, 03/26/2007 - 01:53 ET by tumbler_2007I offer up thanks to God; that He hasn't allowed imbeciles like you to gain positions of clout and influence. He's kept you at a safe distance from power; otherwise you'd have transformed our country into a bastion of fascism and intolerance.
Yes; and it's amusing to see the pipsqueak moaning & groaning of you and other chowderheads. "Oh! They are destroying our country ! ! ! La Raza is about to exterminate all good-looking, intelligent and trustworthy white Americans! They are all going to be replaced by slimey, diseased, lascivious and cruel Mexicans! The vilest people on earth ! WE HAVE TO NUKE MEXICO WHILE THERE'S STILL TIME !!!!!"
You're a total farce and an idiot.
I look at it this way. Immir
Mon, 03/26/2007 - 02:16 ET by mrsimeleI look at it this way. Immigration from Mexico is like cancer: I KNOW we are stuck with the tumor we have created by letting too many in. The only thing to do now is progressively KEEP any new tumors from forming by changing the immigration policy. This doesn't mean that you can't have 9 kids apiece, suck on the welfare system and eventually tie California back into Mexico like you wish. It just means that immigration isn't going to cut you any slack anymore. Hopefully the word is getting out and enough people are feeling intimidated by latino crime statistics as well as the new breed of Mexican gangs and will vote accordingly. Adios muchacho!!!
Darn it, mrsimele, you're not
Mon, 03/26/2007 - 06:58 ET by dahliatraversDarn it, mrsimele, you're not allowed to argue with statistics and facts! That's not fighting fair.
dahlia; mrsimele:
Mon, 03/26/2007 - 13:55 ET by tumbler_2007First the Fact-- I'm not a muchacho. I'm nearing 70 years, an American citizen born in the USA without a single blood relative who came from Mexico. You posed your stance with the false premise that I'm a Mexican. Why is Dahlia congatulating you for facts?
Your statistics are also false. Just last week I posted a pdf document that PROVES statistically there's no truth to the myth that illegal aliens make up a large percentage of our convicted criminals. They are a small minority of the convicts. Some aren't even from Mexico. --So much for THAT BS. You're buying unquestioned the racist crap spread by Mexico-bashers. You believe a pack of lies, then come here into NB attempting to alarm others with your foolishness.
This is why all you closet racists resemble closely the Al Gore liar's assembly of global warming insanity. Your bugga-boo is "Global Takeover of the Brown Peril from south of the border. You are Global Warning Dupes united against an ethnic minority that has never done you harm. WHY? To satisfy your racial bias with contemptible pretexts about saving America from the plague of dishwashers, busboys, gardeners and motel housekeepers. They are only here to work for their families. (And not related in any way to me.) You morons think they're all here to leave you homeless and lost in the wilderness. Normally I'd hesitate to call you morons; but in order to believe all your BS, you would have to be clueless MORONS.
Actually, nothing that you sa
Mon, 03/26/2007 - 20:32 ET by dahliatraversActually, nothing that you say here or in the above posts is true, Tumbler.
We are not racist. No one wants to nuke Mexico. We don't fear a global takeover of I won't repeat your comment.
mrsimele and I are angry at one group: the American government for failing to enforce our laws, thereby encouraging people from ALL AROUND THE WORLD (one example: 100,000 Chinese come here illegally per year) to come here illegally. It appears our government is starting to hear us; that Senator McCain has backed away from his own bill, for example, is encouraging.
Mexico, Guatemala, Spain - heck, every country on the planet is entitled to have and maintain borders. So are we. I regret that our attempts to maintain them are erroneously viewed as racist. They are emphatically not. Or ... do you believe that all the other countries on the planet are "racist" for maintaining their borders?
Dahlia, I applaud your attempt at reason
Mon, 03/26/2007 - 20:55 ET by RJDahlia, I applaud your attempt to reason with Tumbler. At one time or another, most of us have also attempted the route of reason, but he's completely impervious to rational thought, i.e. he's completely insane on the subjects of illegals and religion.
In my case, for the fearsome crime of saying that he was arguing the same way liberals argue, I was called SS, brownshirt, and Nazi. Sometimes he denies that and sometimes he admits it, depending, I guess on whether or not his meds are kicking in.
this is a lie
Mon, 03/26/2007 - 23:49 ET by tumbler_2007You weren't called Nazi or brownshirt and SS was merely tongue-in-cheek.
You were referred to as filled with hatred for this ethnic group; just as Nazis were in the case of their hatred of Jews. The analogy is very apt. Nazis had no use for Jews. You have no sympathy for impoverished Mexicans. It's only the truth. Try to swallow it ? Do you need a spoonful of sugar to make the medicine go down ?
Ask the brown busboy. He'll bring a spoon for you, Duckie.
"Tongue in cheek? hahahaha!
Wed, 03/28/2007 - 12:53 ET by RJ"Tongue in cheek?" hahahahahahaha! And...hahahaha....you didn't call me a Nazi because.....hahaha....it was "just an analogy?....hahahahahah!
You prove again Tumbler, that the ability to use logic or critical thought just isn't something you possess. And your memory is clearly affected by early onset dementia, because you started calling me those names when my only post on the subject was that you behave like a liberal (no mention of Mexico, Mexicans, illegals, or other posters....just YOU).
That set you off into an insane, flaming rage, Tumbler. Well, meet Mark Stein, your identical twin moonbat, who is "...endlessly self-aggrandizing, obviously bitter and easily worked into a frothy fury..." http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,261916,00.html
You prove every day that you and he are brothers, Tumbler. ;^>
hahahaha! that's correct !
Wed, 03/28/2007 - 13:46 ET by tumbler_2007I never called anybody a Nazi. The closest you can say is a FEMI-Nazi, the ever-indecent Blonde. No one was ever called a brownshirt or a Nazi. You display your hatred for hispanics here every day. You can't deny it.
As for dementia; yeah. Up here I posted, "hahahahahahaha !" -- just like you. So we must both suffer from that fault. But at least I tell only the truth. You have problems with the truth, BSRJ . . .
Rationalization is the coward's way
Wed, 03/28/2007 - 17:32 ET by RJTumbler, you take the coward's way out by trying to claim that, when you say "you're just like" the Nazis/brownshirts/SS, it's "only an analogy." And when you claim it's not the same thing as calling someone those names, you're identifying yourself as a liar.
And that's what you are: a coward and a liar.
See, Tumbler, you're not enough of a man to just openly use the names you want to use. That's why, like a frightened child, you must hide behind the skirts of phony rationalization.
But, since you're a liar, a coward, and quite literally insane on the subject of illegal aliens, I expect you to deny what everyone can clearly see.
dahlia McCain
Mon, 03/26/2007 - 21:02 ET by misterbilldahlia McCain should back away so far I never hear again of him. What a shame--he is the Dan Rather of the Senate.
certainly not, dahlia
Mon, 03/26/2007 - 23:35 ET by tumbler_2007No, Dahlia; is the answer to: "Do you believe that all the other countries on the planet are "racist" for maintaining their borders?"
No, I believe in the sovereignty of our country. I challenge both you and Simon; find a post of mine where I said illegal aliens are to be accepted in the U.S. or else you're a racist.
I refer to those who DENIGRATE, HATE & DEMONIZE poor, marginalized and despised illegals from MEXICO, a friendly country. Not others.
Yet all violators are eligible for deportation. I've only objected to the idea of a massive wall or fence; a hateful symbol of American indifference to the people of Mexico who see cause to call us all racists. Fences are for cattle, not decent human beings. And; apart from overt breaking of our immigration laws, those people are good, they're decent and Christian. Most are socially very conservative.
Even so; I've never accused of racist motive anyone who didn't resort to abusive, vile language about illegals. Obviously I'm referring to Mexicans. Nor do I see anyone who expresses his discomfort reasonably, without brutal verbal abuse, about those people, as do the white supremacist racists. You are a good example of one who speaks without rancor or horror about illegals; you only insist on observance of the law. --JUST AS I UPHOLD. It would surely be unjust to call you a racist. (Can't say for sure about simon.)
So it's not the law I object to. Far from it. I object to overt hatred and disrespect toward the humanity of those whom so many here detest. After all; we are here discussing a border; not human souls or the relative superiority or inferiority of one class opposed to the other. Particularly when it's the powerful opposed to the weak and helpless. We must all be equal in the eyes of God, as we conceive the fact. God is Our Father who loves you and me; and loves every good Mexican or any other foreigner. He doesn't consort with racists and haters.
Thank you at least for not using a pretext of our rights and the law to make less of these poor people. You aren't going the way of a few others in NB much less scrupulous. They are the racists. And NOT because they uphold the law; but because the despise their fellow human beings of a different race.
If they haven't repented of the sin, one day soon God may take great offense; though I don't wish that on them. They must reform their racist hearts.
Tumbster says...I refer to th
Mon, 03/26/2007 - 23:47 ET by bigtimerTumbster says...
I refer to those who DENIGRATE, HATE & DEMONIZE poor, marginalized and despised illegals from MEXICO, a friendly country. Not others.
Illegal tumbler...your words...illegal...
ILLEGAL ILLEGAL ILLEGAL
What part of that do you not understand?
You constantly contradict yourself.
Nit-wit.
The only hate filled person when it comes to this is you..towards those who disagree with you...and you are hopeless when it comes to the word illegal..no matter what country they come from...friendly or unfriendly.
thank you, bigtimer:
Tue, 03/27/2007 - 00:00 ET by tumbler_2007I have to give you thanks. Thanks for demonstrating for Dahlia the insane mind-set of intolerant and purse-proud Americans; for whom nothing counts except forcing their will upon weaker people.
Take note of how above here I specifically stated that I support our sovereignty and the immigration laws; even if it hurts those desperate Mexicans. I said very plainly they are to be deported. You seem to ignore such things in your urgency to spit on the poor. --Have yourself a happy evening.
Illegal Illegal Illegal!Dream
Tue, 03/27/2007 - 00:06 ET by bigtimerIllegal Illegal Illegal!
Dream about the word...explore the definition!
Wake up knowing what it means...you contradict yourself all the time!
Get a grip!
This gets old and tiresome with you!
You cling to it for the constant attention...you must be so lonely!
Try to get a long once in awhile, see others view points..you contradict your ownself numerous times since you have been here.
Give it a F'n rest!
Sweet dreams!
We need a massive wall betwee
Mon, 03/26/2007 - 23:53 ET by mrsimeleWe need a massive wall between Mexico and the U.S. tumbler. End of story. If I was racist, I would advocate deporting every anchor-baby and their parents A.S.A.P. I am not advocating that. I am simply stating that enough is enough. Mexico is disproportionately sucking the American system dry while taking everyone else down with them. IMMIGRATION was intended to bring multi-culturalism into the U.S. Italians, French, Germans, Spanish, Greek, Japanese, Chinese, Korean, etc etc etc. It was NOT INTENDED to be a welfare-system for Mexico's poor. Nobody wants the Mexican population to increase any faster than it already is. Facts are facts. Isn't it funny how OTHER cultures like Chinese, Korean, Japanese and Vietnamese usually come to the U.S. with money to start businesses. What do the Mexican's do? They work like slaves so they eliminate jobs that young Americans should be doing. Then they BREED like there is no tomorrow. Child after child after child after child. Those children cramp the education system while they are young. In their teens, they increase the gang population. As adults, they take up the prison population. Later, they tax the medical system. NO MORE!!! WE NEED A BIG WALL! We need to RAID illegal invaders.
mrsimele
Tue, 03/27/2007 - 00:01 ET by gfrrmanGood to see you back. You do realize our resident illegal immigration apologist, tumbler, will soon be trotting you out as a racist and a bigot? In .....5,4,3,2,1.......
I don't care anymore. This c
Tue, 03/27/2007 - 00:07 ET by mrsimeleI don't care anymore. This country wants "Multi-Culturalism". Not "Multi-Mexicanism". Unfortunately I had to go to public-school my whole life. I have first-hand experience with too many illegals.
gfrrman...It took tumbler 8 m
Tue, 03/27/2007 - 00:11 ET by Clear thinkergfrrman...
It took tumbler 8 minutes to call her out, he's slipping.
The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.
Clear
Tue, 03/27/2007 - 00:15 ET by gfrrmanClear, looks like tumbles is slipping. Hopefully he was looking up the definition of illegal!!
I'm not sure he would agree w
Tue, 03/27/2007 - 00:17 ET by Clear thinkerI'm not sure he would agree with the definition when he found it, so it would be a waste of time.
He reminds me of the person that has to look up 911 in a phone book in case of an emergency.
The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.
Clear
Tue, 03/27/2007 - 00:25 ET by gfrrmanClear, you'd think that a person such as tumbles, that has a myopic train of thought would at least, by now, have a grasp of the subject..........you'd think, but you'd be wrong. ;-)
What confuses me about tumble
Tue, 03/27/2007 - 00:33 ET by Clear thinkerWhat confuses me about tumbler is why he won't go to mexico and help the poor take back their country. If he really felt that deeply about their situation he would get off his butt and go do something constructive instead of calling everyone a racist.
The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.
Exactly! They could start by
Tue, 03/27/2007 - 00:40 ET by mrsimeleExactly! They could start by protesting the Mexican politicians and corrupt businessmen that steal all the income of that country. Mexico could be a fantastic democracy if it were run by the United States. It's a nasty, nasty political environment in Mexico and the immigrants are tracking that nastiness into the U.S.
if he's a clear thinker --
Wed, 03/28/2007 - 12:12 ET by tumbler_2007How come he's a clear thinker, but yet "confused"--? ? ?
Look: "What confuses me about Tumbler is why he won't go to Mexico and help the poor take back their country."
As I've often observed, clear thinker has big problems thinking clearly. In order for Tumbler to "go to Mexico" he'd have to be a tourist, not a revolutionary.
Another unclear concept to CT is that Mexico's "poor" do not need to take back anything. It's already their country. But if it's a 3rd world economy; of which MANY exist on earth, then the bottom-level work is never going to be comparable to what peons can earn in a 1st world economy such as ours. (Does this "clarify" anything for your unclear mind, CT ?)
The main piece in this easy puzzle, (if you think even half-clearly) is the proximity of our neighboring economies. They're not very far from the Big Carrot on a stick which America represents. It's clear to me why they risk so much to enter illegally.
More unclear BS from CT: "[Tumbler] should "Get off his butt and go do something constructive instead of calling everyone a racist." --He forgets that I do NOT call everyone who demands "something constructive" a racist for demanding it. I also want something to be done, for my country as well as illegal immigration. But before anything useful can be done, our side must stop the hatred being displayed, the verbal abuse of illegals, the spite and stupidity shown primarily by our own GOP; -- and our useless insistence on fences and machine guns at the border. These things ADD to the tension and misunderstanding between them and ourselves. We have enough problems without acting as if the world were being threatened by poor laborers coming north to work in the most humble & unappreciated jobs.
I just gave C T a lesson in clear thinking about a serios matter. He should stop being a racist hate-monger.
We gain NOTHING by calling me or Geraldo "hispanic racists," as if that disqualified anyone opposed to YOU, from the forum of discussions.
As for the fact I've simply named a half-dozen of the worst Bozoes around here (NB) white supremacists and prejudice against Mexico, --Let them refute the charge. No-- none of them try; because they know the charge sticks. They simply go on flaming me, calling me a troll, a demented fool, or worse. They have no intention of even denying their overt and flagrant racism. If they expressed the same ideas about black Americans, they'd crash and burn quickly, because that's politically incorrect. But since these Mexicans enter illegally, open racism is OK, they feel enttitled to repeat slurs here day after day. Just have a glance at these pseudo-conservative Americans:
In these blogs they curse and scream about political correctness. But in fact, they bow to it, where it can cause them retaliation from the decent side of America. They get away with slurring Mexicans and slurring Geraldo Rivera because the people they hate are law-breakers. They have that phoney pretext to let it all hang out, that closet racism in their hearts. Are some of these phonies real racists-? ? ? ABSOLUTELY.
good reasoning, gffrreeman
Tue, 03/27/2007 - 00:13 ET by tumbler_2007Yes; that one is a darned good racist and bigot. You nailed it, Baby!
Ah yes tumbler, you are soooo
Tue, 03/27/2007 - 00:15 ET by Clear thinkerAh yes tumbler, you are soooo predictable.
The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.
dear mr simele (simon)
Tue, 03/27/2007 - 00:09 ET by tumbler_2007You're a fool.
Worse, a fool with no cause to complain except your ignorance and low instincts.
Nothing can be more gross than a selfish man who objects to the birth of innocent babies. You stamped yourself a devotee of Baal; to whom babies were offered in holocaust. The enemy of mankind. Do Christians hate you and the pagan god you live for? No.
Christians find you pathetic.
This isn't about religion and
Tue, 03/27/2007 - 00:21 ET by mrsimeleThis isn't about religion and it isn't about humanity Tumbler. If it was about humanity then we would take babies from Ethiopia, Kenya, Bangladesh, etc. and help them too! As for religion, we are not wanting you to STOP procreating and we definitely don't want you to ABORT. We simply ask that you become LEGALIZED before you have a baby in our country; otherwise, you and your BABY have to go home!!! This is NOT Mexico. Stop thinking it is. This is the United States of America. We have a right to protect our citizens from overpopulation, unfair labor practices, tax evasion, welfare fraud, social-services fraud, crime and disease. Also, there is that little ANNOYANCE that some latinos don't think they have to learn ENGLISH. (you RARELY find a Chinese or Korean immigrant not willing to learn English. And guess WHAT? It is more DIFFICULT for them to learn because of the characters of the language)
I cannot believe your gall
Tue, 03/27/2007 - 00:43 ET by tumbler_2007Over so many months here; never have I met someone more evil than you, Sir-Madam. We don't just have differences. I see you for somebody disgraceful.
And this is altogether unrelated only to problems of illegal immigration. It's much more evil in my opinion. I won't converse again with you. Just continue and have a ball spreading your diseased ideas, I won't give you the benefit of a debate. May God forgive you.
I cannot believe your gall
Tue, 03/27/2007 - 00:43 ET by tumbler_2007Over so many months here; never have I met someone more evil than you, Sir-Madam. We don't just have differences. I see you for somebody disgraceful.
And this is altogether unrelated only to problems of illegal immigration. It's much more evil in my opinion. I won't converse again with you. Just continue and have a ball spreading your diseased ideas, I won't give you the benefit of a debate. May God forgive you.
Perfect twosome.
Tue, 03/27/2007 - 00:46 ET by bigtimerPerfect twosome.
It's Mrs. Imele, thank you!
Tue, 03/27/2007 - 00:53 ET by mrsimeleIt's Mrs. Imele, thank you!
Ok, so you won't talk to me. Good. Seems you were wrong and I was right. Tumbler wants:
Mexican's to freely walk into the U.S. day or night.
Give priority to Mexican's over all other nationalities that wish to immigrate.
Mexican's do not have to speak English.
Anchor-Babies are guaranteed lifetime of American befefits.
If Mama and Papa remain UN-CAUGHT for LONG-ENOUGH then they get a free ride too.
Predominance of Mexican gangs in the inner-cities is just a lie
Predominance of Mexicans in PRISON is just a lie
Immigrants should BREED LIKE CRAZY because UNCLE SAM will pay them for it. And if you DON'T pay for it, I will LABEL YOU A RACIST!!!
Adios Muchacho!!! That wall WILL go up
mrsimele
Tue, 03/27/2007 - 01:01 ET by gfrrmanMrs Imele, you go girl. Did you have a epiphany or something over the weekend?...or were you just jivin' us on Friday? You've got tumbles pegged already!!
Politics is all new to me gfr
Tue, 03/27/2007 - 01:08 ET by mrsimelePolitics is all new to me gfrrman. I still have some liberal leanings but I keep those to myself. I'll give you a quick hint: I have issues with the way Wal Mart runs other little businesses into the ground (I don't want to argue :-) I am just showing you that some things I am more liberal).
HOWEVER, in regards to immigration, our inner-cities are becoming much to populated with non-tax-paying aliens. They use our roads, hospitals, schools, police, fire, etc etc etc and they don't pay appropriate taxes. Makes me mad. Plus, like I said before, I had to go to public school. The classrooms were overcrowded. Guess why.
Mrs I
Tue, 03/27/2007 - 01:48 ET by gfrrmanMrs I, I'm glad you at least are taking an interest in politics. Depending on your age I can see how it can sound like a boring subject, but I think the older one gets, the more interested in the subject they become. I wish more people became educated in what is going on in this country so that the ones voting in elections grasped what they were voting for/against. Unfortunately there are too many people that are so uninformed when it comes to issues and vote for what FEELS good. I agree with you on the immigration issue and I too went to public school many years ago when schools weren't overcrowded but they weren't small classes by any means. One gets out of the education what one puts into it. I had good teachers , I guess, but there are many differences in public education now from when I was going to school. Of course, around here, if you're not careful you might learn something new, and there' nothing wrong with that!! :-)
HOWEVER, in regards to immigr
Tue, 03/27/2007 - 02:02 ET by bigtimerHOWEVER, in regards to immigration, our inner-cities are becoming much to populated with non-tax-paying aliens.
You do mean illegal aliens... do you not mrs?
Btw...I think I recall a comment you made about Castro and cigars....hmmmm?
Yes, illegal aliens. And y
Tue, 03/27/2007 - 02:28 ET by mrsimeleYes, illegal aliens. And yes, Tom DeLay was notorious for speaking out against Castro and Cuba even though he was notorious for smoking Cuban Cigars. I found that a little hypocritical. If my husband or Dad couldn't smoke Cubans, why should someone powerful like DeLay be able to get away with it. Let's lay the cards out on the table Bigtimer:
1) I am pro Second Amendment (always have been). My Dad hunted and so did my husband. I have a 9mm Berreta 92F in Chrome. Holds 15+1. I know how to use a gun to protect myself.
2) I didn't want to go to War with Iraq; however, I know that since we are there and are in deep enough now, we have to finish the job.
3) I voted to impeach Pres. Bush. I might have made a mistake. I was terribly upset over the casualties in Iraq. I was terribly upset at the way Bush didn't send enough troops to begin with.
4) I thought Democrats had some majical solution which they have failed to show me
5) I REALLY REALLY trusted Murtha. I figured because of his hawkish past he must know what he was talking about.
6) I didn't understand why Colin Powell left
7) I have ALWAYS BEEN AGAINST ILLEGAL INVADERS
8) I have always been for doctor-assisted suicide. Somehow I tied abortion into that argument. I am not so sure now. I don't think I like the idea of abortion anymore
9) I havn't found god yet but do believe in a higher power. Not sure religions like Catholicism, Mormonism, or Evangelism are my cup of tea.
10) I like the idea of the U.S. having the most weapons
11) I believe in legalization of marijuana for sick people. Also to put drug-dealers out of business
12) My Dad and my husband were in the military.
13) I make more than $80,000 a year and feel I get screwed on taxes.
That's about it :0) Not a TRUE conservative, but illegal invasion is definitely one I will stand up against. Oh, and I have to go to bed. lol
Nighty night!Sleep tight!
Tue, 03/27/2007 - 02:35 ET by bigtimerNighty night!
Sleep tight!
Mrsimele
Tue, 03/27/2007 - 10:41 ET by RJMrsimele, a couple of comments. I think you make a mistake when you say you aren't a "true" conservative, because there's no such creature to become. Conservatism has many facets. I'm against capital punishment, for example, because I don't buy the idea that our justice system is infallable. You'll come to see that there are many disagreements here among "conservatives." So, don't hold back on your ideas because you think they won't be "accepted." It's not the contrary ideas that are jeered here, but the inability to thoughtfully back them up. The BS detect-o-meter is set on high, and derision flows quickly. As for Tumbler, well, he's just insane....so it doesn't matter what you say to him.
Geraldo responds to a bandersnatch
Tue, 03/27/2007 - 11:23 ET by tumbler_2007Mrsusmelle:
"HOWEVER, in regards to immigration, our inner-cities are becoming much to populated with non-tax-paying aliens. They use our roads, hospitals, schools, police, fire, etc etc etc and they don't pay appropriate taxes. Makes me mad."
Geraldo Rivera:
"Led by candidates like Arizona's J.D. Hayworth, the [Republican]party adopted the position of the Minutemen and similar radical groups, which promulgate a wildly exaggerated portrayal of a tidal wave of brown people overwhelming our southern border, running loose to rape, steal and murder on the streets of our cities. -- It's is accident that various hate groups have declared common cause with the Minutemen."
Mrsusmelle, Have you joined a hate group? Join up today and help stop the brown tidal wave. (With your fluttery eyelashes.)
.
don't misunderstand, mrsimell
Tue, 03/27/2007 - 10:45 ET by tumbler_2007I said no longer would we converse --
I expect sometimes to comment on your irrelevance.
I already said you're a fool. After your last input it's clear to me you're also arrogant and selfish.
One select observation:
There are no "anchor" babies. We're speaking of infant American citizens. As such with every right that selfish & arrogant citizens like you enjoy. These are legal citizens; and BTW; pregnancy is not a disease. Birth is not a crime. Living in America is NOT your sole privilege.
Living in America is NOT your
Tue, 03/27/2007 - 12:23 ET by mandrakeLiving in America is NOT your sole privilege.
That is perhaps the most absurd statement I have ever heard on this site...and that's saying something! It brings to mind several questions..
1) Why have borders?
2) Why have governments?
3) Why have a military to defend the borders, and people?
4) Why is this site so slow?
dear mandrake
Tue, 03/27/2007 - 13:02 ET by tumbler_2007Explain what's so absurd about this statement.
Do you feel you're the only one who has the privilege of living here? I live here. Many others live here. Who gave you sole privilege? Nobody's questioning borders or governments and the military.
tumbler, actually I don't liv
Tue, 03/27/2007 - 13:28 ET by mandraketumbler, actually I don't live in the USA. I cannot enter your country without a passport. This is as it should be. Countries have borders for a reason.
So it is absurb to say that anyone can just go and live anywhere they please without going thru the proper process of citizenship.
nonsense, mandrake
Tue, 03/27/2007 - 13:51 ET by tumbler_2007I said nothing about entering a country illegally. The proper context of my statement was in reference to a baby, born here and legally a citizen. No matter who his parents may be. These are contemptuously called "anchor babies," by Mexico-bashers.
So, I only made sense; saying that poster was not given sole privilege to live in the United States.
1.) I live in the U.S.
2.) Others live in the U. S.
3.) Babies born here are legal citizens, and have the same privileges as other citizens. Do you find that absurd ? It's the Law, under our Constitution, Mandrake.
nonsense, mandrake
Tue, 03/27/2007 - 13:52 ET by tumbler_2007I said nothing about entering a country illegally. The proper context of my statement was in reference to a baby, born here and legally a citizen. No matter who his parents may be. These are contemptuously called "anchor babies," by Mexico-bashers.
So, I only made sense; saying that poster was not given sole privilege to live in the United States.
1.) I live in the U.S.
2.) Others live in the U. S.
3.) Babies born here are legal citizens, and have the same privileges as other citizens. Do you find that absurd ? It's the Law, under our Constitution, Mandrake.
Ok, but keep in mind when you
Tue, 03/27/2007 - 14:22 ET by mandrakeOk, but keep in mind when you move further north due to Global Warming. That in Canada it takes at least two years to have a baby. That's our universal health care system at work.
BTW, I don't want all the maple syrup junkies moving up here either.
a tidal wave
Tue, 03/27/2007 - 14:34 ET by tumbler_2007The maple sugar tidal wave; is it ?
But I thought the Niagara flowed south ? The junkies won't like that.
Brace yourself, Mandrake, it
Tue, 03/27/2007 - 20:43 ET by dahliatraversBrace yourself, Mandrake, it won't be just maple syrup. With global warming setting in, Canadian real estate values are going to skyrocket. According to Al Gore, in about twenty years, Montreal is going to have the same climate as Palm Beach, Fla.
You say that like it's bad th
Tue, 03/27/2007 - 20:52 ET by mandrakeYou say that like it's bad thing! Nothing like easy money on a real estate boom. Bring it on :)
My, this thread is just &qu
Tue, 03/27/2007 - 11:18 ET by MightyMouthMy, this thread is just "dripping" with love!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Bottom line Senor Tumbler is
Tue, 03/27/2007 - 16:44 ET by mrsimeleBottom line Senor Tumbler is is:
Call me a bigot, call me a racist, call me a jerk. HOWEVER, I happen to know that nothing in life is free. The United States should use immigration to bring "assets" into the country, not "liabilities". How many Chinese, Korean, Indian, or European immigrants end up in prison? Ok, now how many Mexicans end up in prison. Also, think about intellect: how many latinos end up in medical schools, engineering schools, and other sciences? Ok, now look at the hard working Chinese, Indians, Koreans and Vietnamese. Why should America continue to bring in "liabilities (i.e Mexicans) when we can fill immigration slots with "assets (i.e. smart people). If a Mexican legitimately wants to come into this country as an "asset" then that is great. HOWEVER, illegal aliens are not assets. They are criminals, breaking the law, sucking the American system, starting gangs and bringing in drugs and filth. You have a Mexican from Mexico City that wants to come to America to go to school and immigrate? FINE. That is good. But NO MORE POOR, NEEDY, IMMIGRANTS!!! It's not a Mexican thing Senor Tumbler, it's a "poor" thing. Why should America continue to take Mexico's poor??? Immigration is NOT a welfare system. It's purpose is to bring talented people from all over the world! Not just breeders.
why this long lecture, mrssmell
Tue, 03/27/2007 - 17:39 ET by tumbler_2007You need this anthology in order to say that illegal immigration is a detriment to your values ? Now, let me lecture you--
Mrssmelle : "The United States should use immigration to bring "assets" into the, not "liabilities". How many Chinese, Korean, Indian, or European immigrants end up in prison--? And how many Mexicans?" Tumbler: You mean Mexican-Americans? Or illegal immigrants? I'll repost the actual statistical counts to your private messages. It will really surprise you.
Mrsismelle : "Also, think about intellect: how many latinos end up in medical schools, engineering schools, and other sciences? Ok, now looks at the hard working Chinese, Indians, Koreans and Vietnamese." Tumbler: There is real talent coming here from India, Asia, I camn't deny it. If we only count the illegal Mexicans as intellectual timber, there's a disparity. Most come from deep poverty and an agrarian society. However that doesn't mean Mexicans are at all deficient in brains. What happens is, the Brain-Drain out of Mexico isn't as heavy as from the other nations. Mexico has excelled over many years in the fields of architecture, art, petroleum engineering archeology, mathematics and music. But that higher echelon of Mexican doesn't migrate. They remain at home. Those people number among the most affluent and there are many millions who excell at some lower echelon, without any need to migrate.
I personally know a young Mexican licenciado now working in California; whose father invented the loom which began the nylon pantyhose product we call Leggs here in the northern market. He worked on his invention in his garage in Mexico City. Later on he sold his patent to Cannon Mills. The family has been multimillionaires for decades. The marvelous opera tenor Placido Domingo is a Mexican. I hope I don't have to educate you on Mexican art and graphics; among the greatest in the world.
REnt and watch the movie titled "Stand And Deliver" and see what students of Mexican descent accomplished in one Los Angeles High School, when they took classes in Calculus. They surpassed every other prep school in LA County, graduating to enter the best universities in the country. James Olmos plays the teacher, Jaime Escalante. He insists in the movie that Mexican kids have a native-born affinity for mathematics; they descend from Mayas, builders of great cities and inventors of a calendar vastly superior to others in the world. They were the first people to understand the concept of ZERO; before any western university taught it.
Needless to say; unless the millions of illegals can obtain the proper education to excel in higher sciences, they're destined to work for wages. But I myself have a brother-in-law who began working in San Diego as a waiter at Anthony's, a very fine seafood restaurant on the bay; and now, about 16 years later he's a computer programmer who automates large restaurant's bookkeeping and business planning. He works for a multi-million dollar firm which sends him all over America to set up software for the best restaurants. Like myself, he's bilingual. He was born in Tijuana, Baja California.
An interesting item for you: Mexicans excel in sports. They have excellent baseball players, and are some of North and South America's outstanding horse-trainers. They also ride thoroughbreds for all our American gazillion-dollar stables; and a number of them have won the Kentucky Derby, Breeder's Cup-- and every major purse in American horseracing. Boxing ? Julio Cesar Chavez; lightweight boxing champion of the world. He remained undefeated over many years, until age slowed him down. He is a multi-millionaire. How many Kreans have saddled Kentucky Derby winners in successive years, Mrs usmell ?
"Why should America continue to bring in "liabilities (i.e Mexicans) when we can fill immigration slots with "assets (i.e. smart people)--? ? ? " Good question. I wish America could at last import their best architects, artists and engineers. But those people have it made at home. We only see the ones who cut lawns and work behing fast-food counters in this country. Of these; many actually go on to start their own companies or their own Mexican restaurants.
Did you know Mexican food is considered OUTSTANDING by most Americans? As well as their wonderful aperitif, TEQUILA. You ought to try them some time, Mrsusmelle
Ok, first off I would like to
Tue, 03/27/2007 - 20:30 ET by mrsimeleOk, first off I would like to admit that Mexican food is one of the finest cuisines I have ever tasted. Chili verde, chili relleno, menudo, chorizo con huevos, fajitas, taquitos, etc etc are some of my favorite foods ever. And yes, tequila is absolutely to die for (espectially the clear kind). Also, I must admit that Mexican people in general are a beautiful and passionate group of people. The men and women are some of the most beautiful on Earth. My issue is with the poor. Why can't the United States do more to rebuild and advance the country of Mexico, rather than bringing in the poor to our country and then trying to help them. Why can't the United States build factories IN Mexico? P.S. I am reading the .pdf I worry about overpopulation, too much crime, overcrowded classrooms. Where there is poor there is crme, it is a fact. I know it's not fair, but it's just the way things are. Too many poor people = increased crime. I have the same issue with poor laotian's, poor mongue, poor anyone. Heck, if I had it my my, anyone that wanted to immigrate in would have to pay the United States $10,000 over 10 years.
glad we don't have it your way
Wed, 03/28/2007 - 13:32 ET by tumbler_2007I'm glad we'll never have it your way here in America. You seem oblivious of your contradictory ideas. First you moan about overpopulation, then you praise the greatness of overpopulated countries in Asia and vast populations like India. Ever hear of the Black Hole of Calcutta? Is the subcontinent being destroyed by poverty on account of overpopulation? Is criminal activity a problem in Calcutta? In China? No way; those have a booming economy today!
Ever hear of maquiladoras? U.S. employers inside Mexico, helping to raise the standard of living in many cities? And, pray tell us; HOW is America bringing the poor into our country? Only the affluent are allowed in legally.
What about the poor? Was there ever even ONE historical era when we had no poor people; and freedom for the poor particularly? -- The poor we shall always have, said Jesus Christ. Poverty is no disgrace as long as the poor can eat. They suffer; but we suffer too, who are wealthy. John Edwards, the Democrat candidate is rich beyound our dreams. But he has a sick wife. His children may soon lose their mother. What good will money, or even the presidency do for them? I'd rather be poor than have terminal cancer.
And CRIME; have you ever thought about the immense wealth career criminals have? If it's all poverty's fault, why do crack dealers wear $400 shoes, and Rolex wristwatches? Why do they own better guns than our city policemen? The poor don't even own guns. They're happy to have a job a couple of miles from home, so they can save the bus money. You need a better look around, Mrssimele. Leave the poor to God and our charity. Children in America need opportunity and love; God will always provide them with enough to eat. --And here you are; suggesting they should pay $10,000 for an opportunity ! You're all heart !