
UPDATES added at end of post with video link (11:08 EDT) and full transcript (12:17 EDT) as recorded by MRC/NB's Justin McCarthy.
Who needs Chuck Schumer, so long as you have Harry Smith [file photo]? Dems might well be asking themselves that this morning, after the Early Show host went after Tony Snow on the attorney firings in a manner that might have made the senior senator from New York look statesmanlike in contrast.
Things got so bad that at one point, the eminently affable Snow accused Smith of badgering him, and later suggested the CBS anchor was acting like a partisan, not a reporter. Things ended on the worst possible note, as Smith accused Snow of hiding the truth from him. See transcript below, which while complete can't convey the rancor of Smith's tone or his manifestly angry body language.HARRY SMITH: The man out in front answering questions from the press about this is White House spokesman Tony Snow. He's with us this morning. Good morning, sir.TONY SNOW: Good morning, Harry.
SMITH: You know the news, that the House panel has authorized subpoenas. The Senate is likely to do so today. Is the White House ready to invoke executive privilege.
SNOW: Well, first, you're way ahead of the game right now, Harry. People have authorized subpoenas, they haven't served them.
SMITH: Right.
SNOW: What we're hoping is that members of the House and Senate are going to take a close look at the offer that we've made. It's going to make available to them every shred of information that they need to figure out what happened --
SMITH: Okay, let's take --
SNOW: -- In terms of the decision process.
SMITH: I think, I think the people in the House and the Senate are pretty well aware of what the deal is. And that is, basically, you've offered a chat. These guys can go- Karl Rove, Harriet Miers --
SNOW: No, wait --
SMITH: No, no, no, go down to the Hill --
SNOW: No, no, wait, Harry, Harry. First, no, what you've done is you framed the issue falsely, so let me help you out a little bit --
SMITH: Oh no, okay, let's, let's find out --
SNOW: Because the American public needs to understand what the, what the offer is.
SMITH: Okay, let's cut to the chase. Why not go down there and let these people testify under oath?
SNOW: Well, two things: First, what you're assuming is the center of action is the White House. This is a decision, a decision process that began at the Department of Justice, was executed by the Department of Justice. So the first thing you want to ask yourself is "what happened?" The Department of Justice said every key official is available. You can all go down there, you can testify under oath. The second thing is, they're going to make available any documentation and any communication anybody needs. Now what you need to understand,Harry --
SMITH: But even, but Tony, even from a cursory look at these e-mails it looks like it reaches much farther than the Justice Department.
SNOW: No, it doesn't. What it means -- if you take a look at the e-mails, Harry, it appears there were some communications like "what we're thinking about" --
SMITH: Karl Rove wasn't involved, Harriet Miers wasn't involved, come on.
SNOW: Well, no, this is, this is where -- I think what you're trying to do is create a narrative that I'm not so sure the facts are going to justify. This is why what we're trying to do is to get everybody to figure out what's the deal. So let's, let me start again because --
SMITH: Ok, no, hang on, hang on, here's --
SNOW: Please let me explain.
SMITH: The perception --
SNOW: [sigh] Harry, come on --
SMITH: No, listen --
SNOW: The perception is you're trying to badger me into creating a fight between the White House and the, the legislative branch. And what we're trying to do is something pretty extraordinary. The legislative branch has no oversight responsibility over the White House, and what we're --
SMITH: Tony, here's what it looks like is that these, these people who are, certainly serve at the, at the will of the president, or the pleasure of the president, have been kicked out for undue political influence. Even on the front page of your "Washington Post" today you have the lead prosecutor in the big tobacco case saying that the Alberto Gonzales Justice Department, quote/unquote, "political interference is happening at justice across the department. When decisions are made now at the Bush attorney general's office, politics is the primary consideration. The rule of law goes out the window."
SNOW: Harry, you're sounding like a partisan rather than a reporter here. Let me -- please permit me to try to explain what's going on. Because if you take a look also,reporting in the "New York Times," what they've said is a look at the documents indicates that there is no political interference. When people have looked at the available documentary evidence in the case of the US attorney, zippo. So I think what you need to do is to stop trying to make a break for political interference and maybe do what we're asking members of Congress to do, which is figure out what the facts are.
SMITH: When it comes down, when it comes down--Here's the other thing though: When it comes down to invoking executive privilege, I want to just return to you some of the words that you wrote during the Monica Lewinsky scandal. "Most of us want no part of a president who is cynical enough to use the majesty of his office to evade the one thing he is sworn to uphold, and that is the rule of law." Is that not what we're all most interested in here?
SNOW: No, what we're interested in is facts and in the rule of law. And let me again, please permit me to explain what's going on, because you've mischaracterized the offer we've made. You've put it in a slanted way and I'm shocked here --
SMITH: No, no, honestly, I have a transcript --
SNOW: Every --
SMITH: Honestly, I have a transcript from your press briefing yesterday.
SNOW: Yes.
SMITH: Why don't you allow there at least to be a transcript from this conversation you're offering to give to the members of Congress?
SNOW: But, you're looking at this through a straw. And I think the American people probably deserve to know what the offer is and the offer is this: Any shred of information anybody needs is going to be available. And what you're -- what we don't want is kind of a "Perry Mason" scene where people are hot-dogging and grand-standing and trying to score political points. If you want the truth, we're going to make the truth possible. And everybody's going to be able to find out everything. And furthermore, let me, let me make the point that I've tried to make a couple of times.
SMITH: Very quickly.
SNOW: Which is the executive branch doesn't have to do anything. But what we've decided to do is to make available any communication -- if anybody's worried about the communication the White House may have made with somebody, they're going to get it. If they're going to want to get an answer and want to get the facts from somebody, they're going to get it. What they're not going to get is the ability to create a show trial atmosphere. Because you know what? People are a little bit tired of that. And they probably would like to get the truth. Wouldn't you?
SMITH: You bet. You owe it to me.
SNOW: Good.
Contact Mark at mark@gunhill.net
UPDATE: (Ken Shepherd | 11:08 EDT): CBS's "PublicEye" blog covered the exchange. Video of the exchange provided. You can leave a comment below their post.
—Mark Finkelstein is a NewsBusters contributing editor and host of Right Angle. Contact him at mark@gunhill.net.















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Well, well, well, Harry can r
March 22, 2007 - 09:59 ET by msh1973Well, well, well, Harry can run but he can't hide from who he really is...a liberal with an agenda! They don't want Rove or Myers, they want President Bush! Disgusting behavior!
I wish I could say I am supri
March 22, 2007 - 10:11 ET by bassndudeI wish I could say I am suprised by Smith. But I cant. When told he was sounding partisan, he dident even try to deny it, or defend it. That is the same as an admission that he is. No suprise here, except that he dosent deny he is a partisan.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
i think we are way passed den
March 22, 2007 - 15:39 ET by buddyci think we are way passed denial. they are clearly partisan and don't care. years ago they would be upset if they were accused of prejudice. not anymore.
Smith: You bet. You owe it to
March 22, 2007 - 10:14 ET by HypocriteHaterSmith: You bet. You owe it to me.
Ugh! The condescension in that statement makes me sick. YOU owe it to ME. As if he's saying, "Do you know who I am? I'm Harry Smith, Lord God of all morning news show hosts". Absolutely pathetic!
liberalism
March 22, 2007 - 10:26 ET by iveseenitallTony just got a dose of true liberalism as it works in America today. Never tell them "no" or question their motivation. Never dare to disagree with them. And most of all, never get in the way of their ideology or their need to destroy any successful conservative. They are vicious hypocrites who quickly lose their "senitive" natures when confronted with the facts. Modern liberals like Smith are disgusting people. And they walk among us--at your job, at your school, in your neighborhood. Beware (no joke).
NEVER,NEVER trust a liberal
Harry Smith is seeking a prom
March 22, 2007 - 10:29 ET by stanleygoodspeedHarry Smith is seeking a promotion from single A minor league antichrist to double A minor league antichrist.
Hope that promotion comes in for you, Harry.
1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last time [eschatos hora - the lowest, or trying hour ... the hour of adversity] : and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there MANY antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time [eschatos hora - the lowest, or trying hour ... the hour of adversity].
MSM Bias
March 22, 2007 - 11:31 ET by NortoBeliever
This going to be SOP until the 2008 election. I get one channel, cbs, and the demeanor and tactics being used whenever they discuss anything conservative or relative to this WH could be seen or read in to Smith's own demeanor and tactics.
My point in all this is, NB can do all it wants to expose MSM bias, but I do not believe there is any curtailing it. They are set to destroy anything that rings of a conservative social(moral) agenda,to wit, abortion, sodomy, and judges appointed to affect those changes.
Are they antichrists? Not for me to say, but as a believer, times are changing and if the progressive thinkers can put their thoughts into action, they will and sooner than later. Hate crimes legislation is coming up again, US soldiers are burned in effigy in oregon(no caps intended), and the web will very soon, through Google/youtube, become the left's most effective weapon to advance their causes in 2008.
Read David Dall on this at daviddall.com
As much as showing bias, he i
March 22, 2007 - 10:31 ET by dahliatraversAs much as showing bias, he is demonstrating machismo. "Look at how big and brave I am; I'm calling out the President's spokesman."
I wouldn't be surprised if Ha
March 22, 2007 - 12:24 ET by Del DolemonteI wouldn't be surprised if Hairless Harry Smith has always been self-conscious about being a little "thin" up top, so is compensating for it by being an angry "macho" partisan. Just like one of his heroes, Vermont's Pat "Take a Leak" Leahy...
Funny he said that Tony was h
March 22, 2007 - 10:34 ET by Dan The Man 2Funny he said that Tony was hiding the facts from him. I thought "You can lead a liberal to the facts but you cant make him think."
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark. -- save my gun, shoot a liberal.
"You can lead a Liberal
March 22, 2007 - 12:08 ET by mattm"You can lead a Liberal to the facts, but you can't make him think." Brilliant! Is that original?
All jabbing aside, this is a significant point. No resonable person objects to the idea of opposing points of view. As a conservative, I have no problem with people who are against the war or who are for national health care (if it's an INFORMED opinion) - reasonable people can disagree. But when people try to shut down the opposition in order to avoid having to defend their viewpoint, that is intolerable.
And who does this? The Left - constantly. They do it by claiming "the debate is over," or by name-calling, false accusations, personal demonization and scandal-mongering. The Left isn't interested in what's true, right, correct or good for the people; they only care about amassing power for themselves, and woe to those who stand in their way!
This exchange reminds me of s
March 22, 2007 - 10:41 ET by rightsideThis exchange reminds me of something Dick Armey once said, and I don't believe he was the originator.
Republicans say, "I'll believe it when I see it."
democrats say, "I'll see it when I believe it."
belief
March 23, 2007 - 02:01 ET by m1xramThat's not a good quote because seeing is not believing. When you see something it is known, proven. Belief is faith in things unseen.
Whomever came up with it got it wrong.
m1xram
What an ass. "These people
March 22, 2007 - 11:03 ET by i was just thinkingWhat an ass.
"These people who serve at the will of the president, or the pleasure of the president, have been kicked out for undue political influence."
Sounds to me like he just summed it up. They serve at the will of the President. He did not want them to serve any more. Whether he discussed it with Alberto Gonzalez, Harriet Miers, Karl Rove, or Ho Ho the Clown doesn't matter. No ongoing judicial process or trial was impeded, to my understanding. President Bush did not want them to continue serving. Case closed.
What an ass. "These people
March 22, 2007 - 11:03 ET by i was just thinkingWhat an ass.
"These people who serve at the will of the president, or the pleasure of the president, have been kicked out for undue political influence."
Sounds to me like he just summed it up. They serve at the will of the President. He did not want them to serve any more. Whether he discussed it with Alberto Gonzalez, Harriet Miers, Karl Rove, or Ho Ho the Clown doesn't matter. No ongoing judicial process or trial was impeded, to my understanding. This was not, thought the Dems might wish it to be, a repeat of Nixon's "Saturday Night Massacre". President Bush did not want them to continue serving. Case closed.
Not enough though...Tony soun
March 22, 2007 - 11:03 ET by Senior ChiefNot enough though...Tony sound like in a defense mood. Again, White House folks, take the gloves off and start swinging. From a military standpoint, you can't win a war if you're in a defensive posture. Here's my recommendation: Go to General Quarters, don your protective gears and start firing missiles. Where's Dick Cheney- put him in front of every camera in DC! He knows how to pull a trigger. Sorry sir, this is not a derogatory remark, because I admire your no nonsense demeanor. Matter of fact, I urge you, I beseech you to run for the White House...and pick Rush as the VP.
Can anyone explain to me why
March 22, 2007 - 11:05 ET by balboaCan anyone explain to me why they refuse to testify under oath?
Okay, let me give it a try...
March 22, 2007 - 11:16 ET by BDOkay, let me give it a try....
The Dems indicated they only wish to discuss the current justice system related case, but once they are sworn in, they can be held in contempt of congress if they refuse to answer questions about any unrelated event.
"Mr Rove, I know we are here to talk about the releasing of 8 Federal Prosecutors, but I really wanna discuss that fake Drivers license you had when you were twenty."
As it stands now, Rove can talk as much as he feels is on subject, but cannot be hammered for refusing to go off subject.
THe Dems wish to use this as a Fishing expedition of EPIC proportions.
That's understandable. Isn't
March 22, 2007 - 11:34 ET by balboaThat's understandable. Isn't there some kind of Republican balance though to the committee to avoid fishing expeditions? Or a way Rove's lawyers can say "That's not relevant?"
Furthermore, then why should
March 22, 2007 - 11:36 ET by balboaFurthermore, then why should anyone ever allow themselves to testify under oath? You could see a point where everyone refuses.
Amigo,Ever see Dave Chappel
March 22, 2007 - 11:41 ET by MightyMouthAmigo,
Ever see Dave Chappelle take the "FIFF"?
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
"I have a secret documen
March 22, 2007 - 12:10 ET by Mean Gene Dr. Love"I have a secret document I think you wanna see.... (pulls paper from manila folder with 'fiff' written on it) [in falsetto] FIFF!!!"
"There is a time to take counsel of your fears, and there is a time to never listen to any fear." --General George S. Patton, Jr.
One might think the Libby bus
March 22, 2007 - 11:42 ET by NL207One might think the Libby business would be abject proof that no one in their right might should testify under oath in any political witch hunt.
These days, for some strang
March 22, 2007 - 11:45 ET by sarcasmoThese days, for some strange reason (coughtoodamnmanylawyerscough) many of the people who might really like to testify in a case instead end up taking the 5th. Believe me, I know this from experience...Besides, would it really surprise you that much if, in yet-another aspect of life, both sides of any given issue do not particularly wish to hear what they can be sure would be the whole truth from sarcasmo?? Heh heh heh...
JMR
A hunting season on lawyers i
March 22, 2007 - 11:55 ET by BDA hunting season on lawyers is required to get them back into ecological balance and harmony in the environment.
This whole business is a wast
March 22, 2007 - 12:20 ET by mattmThis whole business is a waste of time (except for Dems who are trying to besmirch the Bush administration). Typical, contemptible Democrat behavior.
Can any reasonable person look at what the Dems are doing and not conclude it's nothing but a completely unwarranted* smear campaign?
*Unless, of course, the Dems feel that scandal-mongering is a better strategy for winning in '08 than pursuing their socialist agenda.
It's so unfair. I mean, r
March 23, 2007 - 00:09 ET by BlameTheMediaIt's so unfair. I mean, republicans never besmirch democrats. It's a good thing republicans always take the high road.
Dealing with all this legal mumbo-jumbo... firing prosecutors. Whatever. Can't the country understand that lying about a blowjob (sodomy) is much more important and much more worthwhile to spend time and hard-earned tax-payer dollars on?
What's wrong with this country?
If you seriously think that f
March 23, 2007 - 00:19 ET by NL207If you seriously think that fornication and lying about fornication were Clinton's only offenses, then you need to read this while keeping in mnd the recipient of these bribes was Bill Clinton.
We aren't talking about maybe here. This was a guilty plea. Guilty as charged. Had this plea ocurred before Clinton's impeachment, I think he would have been removed.
Show me anything like this connected with ANY Republican President and I'll concede your point. If cannot, then you concede.
I accept your challenge, bu
March 23, 2007 - 00:35 ET by BlameTheMediaI accept your challenge, but I'll have to read your link more carefully... and it's quite late here.
Is bookmarking the page the best way to get back here easily the next day? Some people seem to be able to navigate their way around and I have a hard time getting back to other conversations because I have hard time remembering where they are. Really. I'm asking this quite sincerely and humbly.
You will enjoy the full scope
March 23, 2007 - 00:41 ET by NL207You will enjoy the full scope of this outrage. This is yet another view. Do not underestimate the role of John Huang in all this. He is an endicted co-conspirator with Riady. He was an employee of Riady. And he was an employee of someone else far more sinister.
Even Nixon at his worst can not hope to compare with this.
Excellent, NL207. The amoun
March 23, 2007 - 07:15 ET by dahliatraversExcellent, NL207.
The amounts of these bribes ... oops, illegal contributions ... were unprecedented. As was Clinton ordering the Commerce Dept to release that nuclear technology to China. This is in part the technology that North Korea is now blackmailing us with, by the way.
While Clinton did indeed perjure himself, I couldn't care less about his infidelity and was a little disappointed that that was the basis of his impeachment. This was a far more substantial crime that he should have been held to account for. It literally was treason.
If you seriously think that
March 23, 2007 - 00:38 ET by BlameTheMediaIf you seriously think that fornication and lying about fornication were Clinton's only offenses, then you need to read this
while keeping in mnd the recipient of these bribes was Bill Clinton.
They should have charged him then. Why didn't they? It was the only offense they could actually nail him on (no pun intended), right? The only thing they could prove? But I want to reread what you sent and read some more. Thanks for the link.
Look at the dates on the plea
March 23, 2007 - 00:46 ET by NL207Look at the dates on the plea. Look at the dates of the offenses. Look at the dates of Ken Starr's investigation and where these men were when that was going on.
These men fled the country while Ken Starr was conducting his investigation. Starr was never able to call them as witnesses or charge them as they were hiding in a foreign country(s).
What's wrong with this countr
March 23, 2007 - 13:14 ET by mattmWhat's wrong with this country is Clinton apologists who use the bogus "it was only a lie about a bj" argument to justify his direct illegal actions in attempting to manipulate the outcome of a lawsuit.
If Clinton's affairs were no big deal, then why did he lie about them? All he would have had to say was, "none of your business." Why didn't he do that? Why did he try to get Monical Lewinsky to lie? It was because he thought he could lie his way out of the Paula Jones lawsuit - rather than merely settle out of court, which would have required an admission of guilt.
But, I will admit to one thing: Of all the Clinton scandals, this was the least deserving of impeachment. It should have been one of the dozen or so others.
Agreed, and I can only spec
March 23, 2007 - 13:27 ET by sarcasmoAgreed, and I can only speculate as to why they singlemindedly went after the Oval Office BJ instead of, say, Lippo-corruption, but said speculation is even less flattering to the Republicans than Slick's BJ was to the Presidency, if I'm correct, which I usually-am whenever I don't want to be...The kindest way I can put it, considering both the humor-factor & the ignored treason-factor, is that this was an early big-government subsidy from the Republicans in control at the time (hi, Newt!) to the very-fat-already comedy industry!
JMR
With the advent of C-Span, po
March 22, 2007 - 13:11 ET by QueenMumWith the advent of C-Span, politicians now have an electronic soap-box. They take any and every opportunity to have their mugs on television in order to push their own agendas. The halls of Congress are meant to be the place where the representatives of the people meet to make the laws. Of course, debate is part of that process. But what these "hearings" and "investigations" have become are nothing more than opportunities to sling mud and play gotcha.
The liberal Demoncrats are salivating over the prospect of finding something to destroy the Bush administration. The issue in question here is of no interest to the average American. Nor is it of any great consequence. But by portraying it as some sort of great legal crisis, the Dems hope to convince the American public that the Bush administration is inherently corrupt. Think about some of the stories of "scandals and corruption" that the drive-by media pounced on prior to the 2006 elections. Then consider how many of those stories turned out to be either completely false or, at the least, greatly exagerrated.
In a court of law, the prosecution would not be permitted to explore a line of questioning that had nothing to do with the case at hand. In the case of these hearings, any and all questions would be permitted. Whoever was testifying could refuse to answer a question. But then you'd have the presumption that the person was hiding something. It's all a game that the Dems are playing, balboa. Instead of doing the work that they were elected to do, they're wasting their time looking for boogeymen.
Well, the penalty for lying
March 22, 2007 - 11:23 ET by sarcasmoWell, the penalty for lying's the same anyway, so it's probably to retain as much as possible of executive privelege, exactly like Clinton wanted to do in the Monica scandal. I'm thinking the lack of any transcript might be more of an issue than what you asked, since I can't imagine trusting the word of either Charles Schumer or Karl Rove even half as much as I'd trust the skills of a randomly-selected DC-area transcriptionist...
JMR
Concur, but during an "I
March 22, 2007 - 11:30 ET by BDConcur, but during an "Interview" the Interviewee can simply walk out as desired when the questioning gets off topic.
2x post
March 22, 2007 - 11:24 ET by contrary2x post
Who is the they in your state
March 22, 2007 - 11:25 ET by contraryWho is the they in your statement? What is also a good question, IMO, is how the subpoena process works in Congress. How do they subpoena whitehouse officials supposedly not involved in the decision to fire 8 prosecutors without a facts to show their involvement?
Simple: They want to bring
March 22, 2007 - 14:33 ET by Airforce_5_OSimple: They want to bring up more than just the firings. The Dems want to grill Rove on everything that has happened in the last 7 years.
Rove is Satan to them.
Balboa, there is no allegatio
March 22, 2007 - 14:06 ET by dahliatraversBalboa, there is no allegation of a crime. There is no allegation that the firings were done to interrupt criminal prosecutions, as was the case for two of the US Attorneys that Bill Clinton fired.
Why should anyone testify under oath? If they do, it immediately looks like there is a crime involved, to people who don't pay close attention (about 75% of voters, unfortunately). I am not a big fan of the Bush administration but this strikes me as pure political hay making.
True, but refusing to testi
March 22, 2007 - 14:37 ET by balboaTrue, but refusing to testify under oath and without a transcript, makes it look like they're willing to testify, but only if there aren't any consequences.
Why bother ever asking someone to testify under oath? I know what I'd say if I were a democrat ever asked to testify before a committee.
But what is the crime? Why
March 22, 2007 - 14:50 ET by Airforce_5_OBut what is the crime? Why must it be under oath? And why Rove when this is a justice department issue?
Because it is a witch hunt.
I don't know that there's a c
March 22, 2007 - 16:10 ET by balboaI don't know that there's a crime here, but isn't the issue why these lawyers were canned? And we all know Rove is a big-wig, so perhaps he told Bush to can them?
Why testify under oath? Why not?
That is the thing Balboa, the
March 22, 2007 - 18:21 ET by Airforce_5_OThat is the thing Balboa, there is no crime. They can be fired under the law without a reason. Ask the Clintons who fired 92 and fired the white water prosecutor investigating him and his partners.
No crime done, no testimony needed.
pardons
March 22, 2007 - 23:59 ET by BlameTheMediaWhat's the big deal? They can all get pardoned anyway.
The big deal
March 23, 2007 - 00:05 ET by acumenNot if they succeed in their well-documented goal of bringing down Bush.....but you already knew that didn't you?
It's hard for me to think like this bizzaro world but somehow I just don't see Madam Pelosi pardoning any of these guys. Correct me if I'm wrong.
They may be able to get to
March 23, 2007 - 00:13 ET by BlameTheMediaThey may be able to get to some of them, but Bush will be well out of office and pardoned everyone by the time the wheels move to even get close. Plus, if they didn't do anything wrong they shouldn't have anything to worry about.
I think Bush should have said, sure, question them under oath, but: You may only question them on this issue. Of course, they could have attorneys with them to object if they start fishing.
Be Real BTM
March 23, 2007 - 00:34 ET by acumenSo you must think it is OK for Bush to call in Leahy's staff and question them under oath? Or how would you mind being placed under oath to testify because someone in your workplace got fired? Where does this nonsense end?
Surely, you must know this is politics at its nastiest. Look where this same kind of crap got a fairly nice guy like Libby. All the witnesses have to do is say one wrong thing about anything under oath either willingly or not and all of a sudden they are facing a perjury charge. Would you be willing to take that risk? Then why would you expect someone else to do that very same thing?
Don't we have a war we're trying to win? Isn't there something else similar - something near and dear to your heart - you would rather have these people doing than putting on show trials? Don't we get enough of that crap on daytime TV.
Quit giving these idiot demediacrats a pass. They only make you look like a fool - whew, that was close - I almost used the new forbidden 'f' word.
Hello acumen...Laughing so ha
March 23, 2007 - 00:40 ET by bigtimerHello acumen...
Laughing so hard at your last line there!
I have to get...I have been staying too long on this at night lately!
Good to see ya!
Take care of the small stuff...as only you can do so well!
I will be in touch later via other means!
Nice to be back BT
March 23, 2007 - 00:56 ET by acumenNice to be back BT. No new news on what we have been discussing. I'll let you know if there are any changes. Put a couple more logs on the fire and see ya tomorrow.
Acumen -Right on
March 23, 2007 - 00:42 ET by misterbillPolitics at its dirtiest. I wish there were a way to sweep everyone out of office(even the "good" ones) and start all over. What a mess they are makin of our country.
An ugly American is one who does not support his country.
I have a dream - Term Limits
March 23, 2007 - 00:54 ET by acumenTerm limits is the only solution I can think of Mr Bill. Can't see that law getting passed by these self-serving porkers though. I keep thinking of Prez Kennedy; ask not what your country can do for you...... What ever happened to the notion of "public servant"?
acumen -I am with you
March 23, 2007 - 01:00 ET by misterbillacumen -I am with you, although in posts of the past some of our fellow conservatives have been against it. I do not know why.
An ugly American is one who does not support his country.
acu PS- if we had term limits
March 23, 2007 - 01:02 ET by misterbillacu PS- if we had term limits, we would not have had Teddy and Barney and "education , you know" Kerry for all these years.
Ted Kennedy, geez. Get him ou
March 23, 2007 - 01:04 ET by mostlymoderateTed Kennedy, geez. Get him outa there. Oy, I would be for term limits too :-) Let's start a movement and get that accomplished.
MM find out how to do it--
March 23, 2007 - 01:08 ET by misterbillMM find out how to do it--I am sure there will be many who will jump on board. Count me in.
PS I have 2 of the best damned Senators in the USA---Isakson and Chambliss. Even so, I still want term linits--2 terms 12 years for Senators. # terms 12 years for representatives.
Also an eeg annualy for supreme court justices with a mandatory retirement age of 65.
Back to ya Mr.B
March 23, 2007 - 01:28 ET by acumenSorry mr. b, I was tied up on another comment. I'm confident we will never see term limits, simply because the politicos in DC are doing everything in their power to give the edge to encumbants such as themselves.
Like yourself, I have heard some good arguments against term limits made by conservatives but it is a mute point. Ain't going to happen with self-serving politicians in DC. I just hope the process doesn't become so fixed that truly decent men and women avoid throwing their hat in the ring - but personally, I think we are past that point. Look what the system is doing to Gonzales right now just for performing routine duties.
My hope does not rest in this world.......
I'm with Airforce on this o
March 22, 2007 - 15:05 ET by MightyMouthI'm with Airforce on this one bal. It's the principle of the thing that counts here. Democrats are like little kids, give em a cookie and pretty soon they will demand some milk.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
You're correct Mighty, look t
March 22, 2007 - 23:28 ET by Senior ChiefYou're correct Mighty, look they already took Rumsfeld out and they're trying to get Gonsalez, then Rove, then Cheney and GW. The democracks told us after they won last election, that they'll going to try to impeach the president. People, they're building a case, if you folks haven't figured it out yet...Take the gloves off NOW and start swinging!
Of course the are!The leftist
March 22, 2007 - 23:42 ET by bigtimerSC...
Of course they are!
The leftist msm is already labeling these NON-SCANDALS...
SCANDALS!
Ad nauseum.
I am furious...
If the republicans and the President and his administration do not fight back with gusto often, not just some of the time..we are doomed for a long time...
We have 18-21 seats up for possible grabs in the Senate in 08...people had better wake up and fight back!
Snap out of it...fight with everything you have conservatives everywhere in all venues!
Which democrats said they a
March 23, 2007 - 00:01 ET by BlameTheMediaWhich democrats said they are going to try to impeach bush? I don't remember any particular person saying that that is in government and could actually do anything.
Want More?
March 23, 2007 - 00:12 ET by acumenIn statements she made to the Washington Post in early 2006, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi had initially left open the possibility that if Democrats took over the House after the November 2006 election, their planned investigations into the Bush administration could lead to impeachment.
In May 2005, Congressman John Conyers (D-MI) began collecting signatures on a letter to Bush requesting answers to the questions raised by the Downing Street Memo. Conyers delivered a letter with over 540,000 signatures to the President on June 16, 2005
That same day, Conyers assembled an unofficial meeting to receive evidence related to the Downing Street memo and to consider grounds for impeachment. Dozens of Members of Congress attended. Witnesses included Ambassador Joseph Wilson, constitutional attorney John Bonifaz, and and CIA analyst Ray McGovern.
Want more?
No, that was an excellent a
March 23, 2007 - 00:14 ET by BlameTheMediaNo, that was an excellent answer. Thank you.
Your welcome.
March 23, 2007 - 00:16 ET by acumenYou're welcome.
OK
March 23, 2007 - 00:14 ET by acumenOK - On Dec. 19,2005 Senator Barbara Boxer (D-CA) issued a press release, saying that she had written four undisclosed legal scholars, asking if there were grounds for impeachment.
I signed that John Conyers pe
March 23, 2007 - 00:21 ET by mrsimeleI signed that John Conyers petition. YOu know, for the impeachment. Unfortunately, the Democrats like Pelosi have too much integrity to go through with it. They are putting the Country ahead of politics, unlike some people we know. So the impeachment is unfortunately out.
miserable..Of course it is li
March 23, 2007 - 00:30 ET by bigtimermiserable..
Of course it is little simpleton...
It is an impossibility.
Even your evil foolish party knows that...
Still they are trying their best to make themselves relevant and hurt this administration during a time of war...all for pay-back and power.
When real history is written...you will all be made to look like the enemy within that you are.
Fool.
Backfire ring a bell?
"during a time of war...
March 23, 2007 - 00:43 ET by mrsimele"during a time of war..." lol Why else do you think everybody in Washington puts up with li'l-Dubya? If it wasn't for this invasion-of-country/illegal-occupation (what you call "War") then they would have impeached him a long time ago. Unfortunately there are some politicians that actually CARE about our poor troops that are being misled.
Backfire ring a bell? What, is that some kind of joke about Cheney shooting his hunting partner??? I don't get it. You shouldn't pick on Dick Cheney. He is going through a hard time right now, with all these scandals and all!!! :-)
The buning in effigy troops
March 23, 2007 - 00:47 ET by acumenWould that be the troops your useful idiot buds are burning in effigy? Yeah, you care so much about the troops.....a tear.
How do you know I am not a wi
March 23, 2007 - 00:52 ET by mrsimeleHow do you know I am not a widowed wife of one of the soldiers that holds a grudge? I love the troops, as do many fellow democrats. I respect the Presidency, that's why I can wait another two years until change occurs. I respect Dick Cheney, I know he had nothing to do with that Valerie Plame ordeal. I don't blame the Republicans, George Bush, or Dick Cheney because I respect the offices they hold. But its time to end this war. It's time to try something new. That's all.
mrsimile
March 23, 2007 - 00:55 ET by misterbill"I respect the Presidency, that's why I can wait another two years until change occurs."
Isn't that the same as "I support our troops but not the war" logic. You realize that an impeachment attempt will fail, so you rationalize.
An ugly American is one who does not support his country.
mrsimele
March 23, 2007 - 01:19 ET by acumenAlthough I can understand your sentiments, as a military brat who lost a father after his second tour in Nam I really don't care about grudges. What I do care about is supporting the troops. If you loved the troops you would put them ahead of any grudges (real or imaginary) you might have and think about what they want........not what you want. They want to see their country supporting their efforts, applauding their acccomplishments and knowing that if they do lose their life, it's not in vain. Most Iraqis, particulary in the North and South appreciate what our troops are doing for them. It's a shame our troops fellow countrymen don't show them the same courtesy.
No it is not time to end this war. Not until every terrorist is nuetralized and children in the ME have the opportunity to be taught to respect other religions and races and not hate them. They brought this war to us. We avoided it far too long, allowing the ME to become a breeding ground for terrorists. Now, try to envision a free Iraq and Afghanistan that has a constitution supporting equal rights for all their citizens - something that has been unheard of before in that part of the world. Imagine that concept of personal freedom spreading to other countries in that region. That is what our troops envision. There is a great possibility that can happen if we see this thing through. If we don't see this through then all the brave souls we lost in this war on terrorism would be for nothing. Not to mention the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of our new allies in Iraq and Afghanistan by terrorists supplied with heavy armament by Iran and Syria.
We've got the opportunity now to stop this terrorist madness but it depends on the support of people like you and me. We can make the world better by making ourself better. That means being like our brave men and women in uniform, putting aside our personal feelings and taking care of the task at hand. But it has to start with the individual - you and me.
a gift for mrsemile
March 23, 2007 - 07:01 ET by acumenmrsemile, I realize that in my comment above I only offered you words. Now I would like to offer you more. I know that what you are about to see you have never seen before. The network news and CNN will not allow such a thing. It is shameful that they do not. None-the-less, after you see the following short video you will agree that you have never seen such a thing on the networks or on CNN.
I am offering this to you in an attempt to show you where we are now in Iraq and hopefully you will see why it is so important for us to stay there. So many innocents have invested their future in the belief that we will not leave them now. Only someone with a heart of stone could turn their backs on these helpless noncombatants at this critical time and I think you know who those folks in DC are that wish us to abandon our new friends and allies.
Please click on this link here and I hope you will find a renewed faith in what our men and women in the military are currently doing in Iraq that is so much more important than just removing Saddam and killing terrorists - planting the seeds of hope and friendship.
No it is not time to end th
March 23, 2007 - 15:01 ET by BlameTheMediaNo it is not time to end this war. Not until every terrorist
is nuetralized and children in the ME have the opportunity to be taught
to respect other religions and races and not hate them.
We will never be able to nuetralize every terrorist. That is such a silly assumption. As for children in the ME being taught respect for other religions, I'd like to see that begin with some of the bloggers on this who make comments about turning them all into Christians. Tolerance needs to begin here.
They brought
this war to us.
Iraq did not invade us, attack us, nor were any of the hijackers from Iraq.
Now, try to envision a free Iraq
and Afghanistan that has a constitution supporting equal rights for all
their citizens -
Like when they held elections in Palestine and we didn't like the outcome so we won't recognize them and we cut off money or aid to the people so they suffer. Why wold they trust us if they vote in someone we don't like? We're not respecting the elections of other contries if we don't like the guy elected. How hypocritical is that?
For the record, I don't think we should pull out of Afghanistan or Iraq until we fix it. If we can. I'm afraid of what it will take to do that... like greater and greater occupation for ever.
the last war
March 23, 2007 - 02:36 ET by m1xramThis is part of the War On Terror. Most of our recent wars have been fought along country lines, but this one is different. The enemy is world wide and has fundamental beliefs that are contrary to ours.
You can step away from the front in Iraq but the war won't end. The only thing you'll do is move the front. America is the Great Satan and they're coming for you.
Take a good look at the dudes doing the beheadings, do you really want them here?
The solution is simple, Churchill said, "Never, never, never give up."
m1xram
Democrats love the troops?
March 23, 2007 - 11:38 ET by BDDemocrats love the troops? Really?????
Then why did they spend the bulk of the 1980-90 time frame trying to deny me the gear I needed to win wars? Gear that currently is proving totally necessary in our current operations?
Nearly every democrat voted against the bulk of the defense programs, unless it or a subcomponant was produced in their district.
Kerry voted against product improvements on the M1, M2, F-15, F-16 and on and on and on....
BD- TRI-CARE
March 23, 2007 - 21:55 ET by Airforce_5_OLeast we forget BD the great TRI-CARE fiasco the Clintons left us with.
Congratulations
March 23, 2007 - 00:44 ET by acumenCongratulations, you must be so proud......but not very clever. Or perhaps you enjoy being a useful idiot for these self-serving clowns. Obviously you're not taking Democratic Congressman Obey's advice; "You've got your facts screwed up ... we can't get the votes! You see a magic wand in my pocket? How the hell we going to get the votes for it? We ain't got the votes for it. We do have the votes if you guys quit screwing it up."
Keep on screwing it up for us, we appreciate the help simele.