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quotation guaranteed to upset almost everyone...

"What we need now is a Free Money Movement comparable to the Free Trade Movement of the 19th century, demonstrating not merely the harm caused by acute inflation...but the deeper effects of producing periods of stagnation that are indeed inherent in the present monetary arrangements… I still believe that, so long as the management of money is in the hands of government, the gold standard, with all its imperfections, is the only tolerably safe system but it is better to take money completely out of the control of government. The only way to save civilization will be to deprive governments of the power over the supply of money." 

-- the late Friedrich von Hayek, Nobel Laureate in Economics, in, "The Denationalization of Money" from 1976.

Sarc, your dedication against paper money seems extreme.

Sarc, your dedication against paper money seems extreme.

So, tell me in the last 80 years or so, when was the last time the world had a 'great depression'?

Or is that just another one of your fantasies?

And exactly what system would you like to see?  Explain it to me and maybe I can 'buy' into it?  Be sure and tell me how the Stock Market would work under your system.  Also, International Trade.  Also, the managment of 'inflation' which seems to be underlying your concern.

ACA

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Quoted from:  'Acaiguana Notes from the Bomb Shelter' (soon to be a movie at theaters near you)

Go read the book. The "f

Go read the book. The "fantasy" you alleged above has 0 of my words, deliberately. The Nobel-winning economist says it better than I ever could, so I made the quote 100%-him. Enjoy the book, which explains, among other things, why the Great Depression was the fault of the Fed.
JMR

No, no no Sarc, in your own words.

No, no no Sarc, in your own words. I promise to use my own brain to deal with you on this.

In your own words Sarc. That's fair.

ACA

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Quoted from:  'Acaiguana Notes from the Bomb Shelter' (soon to be a movie at theaters near you)

Sorry, only time for the Nobe

Sorry, only time for the Nobel Prize winner's words today, but as predicted they managed to upset you! :)
JMR

Sarc, what? You are wimping out here? I'm disappointed.

Sarc, what? You are wimping out here? I'm disappointed.

And Nobel prizes don't shake my bootie.  And reading economic texts have been a lifetime achievement.  I'm asking you.  If it were anyone else, I'd just shrug.  I'm giving you the dignity to express yourself here.

Don't disappoint me or the others here.  You keep bringing this up.  You must have a 'frame' of reference that you can share in your own words.

Right?

ACA

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Quoted from:  'Acaiguana Notes from the Bomb Shelter' (soon to be a movie at theaters near you)

No, I'm still saying "go read

No, I'm still saying "go read the book."
JMR

No you are not Sarc. You are wimping out. Big deal...

No you are not Sarc. You are wimping out. Big deal...

I'm really disappointed.

ACA

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Quoted from:  'Acaiguana Notes from the Bomb Shelter' (soon to be a movie at theaters near you)

Look, we've already discuss

Look, we've already discussed these issues in the past, and you've already admitted to not believing the Federal Reserve was responsible for the Great Depression, which it obviously was if you ask me. No offense, but you need to go read the book as remedial history, not because I'm somehow dodging you or anyone else in any way because I don't have the time for this damn-slow site this afternoon. Look, it's a beautiful FL day. I stand here toe to toe with the left and the right all the time, but what you propose -- when we're still this far apart on the remedial history you need IMO -- is about like a "debate" with the flat earth society. But just for Acaiguana, because I like you, here's a simplified (albeit somewhat-dated -- read THAT book, new, too!) version by my good friend Dr. Mary Ruwart. She'd make a GREAT President of the United States, BTW, just like a certain other libertarian Doc who happens to be a Republican congressman...Once you've seen what she said and checked it out, please tell me again if the Federal Reserve was responsible for the Great Depression, or if the gold standard & honest money was somehow to blame instead? Thanks.
JMR

This is try #3, OK, Sarc. I'll wade through your books.

This is try #3, OK, Sarc. I'll wade through your books.

Then what? I'll get (finally) your own take on this monetary stuff?

ACA

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Quoted from:  'Acaiguana Notes from the Bomb Shelter' (soon to be a movie at theaters near you)

If you 'get' my two suggest

If you 'get' my two suggested books' take on it, you'll (finally) already have my take.
JMR

I am a big reader of Thomas S

I am a big reader of Thomas Sowell and his economic theories. Therefore, I am no big fan of the Federal Reserve system as they are a form of price control. I also enjoy new perspectives so in my spare time I might check out Dr. Mary Ruwart. Thanks.

She quotes him back in Chap

She quotes him back in Chapter 3, "Destroying Jobs." :) I think you'll like Dr. Ruwart.
JMR

As respectful as I am of your

As respectful as I am of your position, after reading and even believing what is written, the question remains, even with this small group, what will it mean? What will get changed? You will still need a majority of the "common folk" to get things changed, and that majority doesn't care one wit. Proof of that is the last election, the majority believed the "promises" of the left, and quickly forgot what they had promised. Life goes on, as it always does, with the majority NOT caring, as long as they have their's, even if it doesn't amount to much.

I appreciate your thoughts and passion, but windmills' defeat won't change anyone's mind.

There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V

If you're saying "supp

If you're saying "support Rudy instead of Dr. Ron Paul," I'll officially say "no way." If you're saying things are bad and getting out of what the Demopublicans and Republicrats have spent us into won't be easy, then I agree. I fail, however, to see how my simply telling the politically-incorrect truth here about something as basic as money is tilting at windmills, so please explain further if that's what you mean...
JMR

Don't waste any more of your

Don't waste any more of your time trying to get Sarc to clairify.

I learned the hard way he gets his point across the first time.

My gosh, this site is slow today. Yeah, dvdaughtry I agree.

My gosh, this site is slow today. Yeah, dvdaughtry I agree.

It's too bad because Sarc is smart and he has a POV. We all know that.

ACA

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Quoted from:  'Acaiguana Notes from the Bomb Shelter' (soon to be a movie at theaters near you)

Whine whine whine. When did

Whine whine whine. When did I ever not clarify something for you??? I may not give you people (and by that I mean both the left and the right here) the answers you always want, but I always give you people answers, even when you try to accuse me of running away. So, what'll it be, whiner?? I can't read your mind!!! How 'bout a fact instead of an unjustified jab?? Get specific or shaddap.
JMR

You say something, and when s

You say something, and when someone asked for further detail, you simply say "read", or "re-read".

Please forgive my link (http://newsbusters.o...)as it does not being at the excact spot on the page, but here is your "specific" "fact". The section I am talking about starts with a Sarcsamo comment begining with "Speculation about Jesus abounds...

No doubt your are more well-read then most on here, but you are a grade A tool.

HUH??? I went into INCREDIB

HUH??? I went into INCREDIBLE detail on that thread, despite the catcalls of the reading-impaired. You've just made my point. Whine whine whine. The fact that I had to call in Dee Bunk to translate for you and then you suddenly agreed with her-not-me doesn't negate my point, I was clear as glass and so was she. Just because you didn't like the implications of what I said does not change the plain meaning, which Dee Bunk had ZERO problem understanding, of my words. And I stand by 'em all, as usual. Whiner.
JMR

I may or may not get the book

I may or may not get the book, but I have no doubt that you're right anyway, Sarc. I don't always agree with you, but in the case of Federal Government tampering with money, I'm seeing eye to eye.

A tangent

acaiguana said, "So, tell me in the last 80 years or so, when was the last time the world had a 'great depression'?"

This is very much a tangent and not meant as an argument for or against anything, but I had to throw this in... We know that there's not been an international financial crisis since the Great Depression, approx 78 years ago.

But what was the one before The Crash of '29 ? Give up, it was the "Hamburg Crash of 1857", aka in the U.S.A. as "The Panic of 1857". How about the one before that? "The Bankruptcy of the French Monarchy" in 1789... Before that? The South Sea Bubble of 1721... Before that? Almost everyone remembers this one b/c it sounds so silly, the Tulip-Bulb-Bubble of 1637.

So going forward from the Tulip-Bubble, 84, 68, 68, 72, there's been a major event roughly every 70-85 years. Could it be a pattern of some sort? Maybe, maybe not. I suppose if we get past say 2017 without another major crash, we'll know its not. But I will say that there could be some bubbles out there, in foreign mkts, derivatives, hedge funds...  However if we listen to those in the biz, the "old rules don't apply" b/c we've entered into a "totally new paradigm".   

Well said, Ten7s. History i

Well said, Ten7s. History is important. Warren Buffett's lesser-known investor sidekick Charlie Munger recently said something like (paraphrasing here, he said it better so this is not a real Munger-quote) "comparing the derivatives business to a sewer gives a bad name to sewage everywhere!" I'll note there has been (little-covered by financial "journalists" on TV) a recent default in nickel. It's nice, but it may be too-late, that the IMF is finally frowing on the double-counting of leased gold(!!!!)
JMR

So sarc, are you advocating g

So sarc, are you advocating giving everyone gold? Silver? What? I dont think there is enough gold on the planet to go around. Lunar and outer planitary mines will have to be opened up. Mars to start? Then ??

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

Me? Again, go read the book!J

Me? Again, go read the book!
JMR

AP: House OKs SubpoenasJDWWou

AP: House OKs Subpoenas

JDW

Wounded skier, beware of mistakes.

News media: Scoreboard for terrorists

Mark Levin on his radio sho

Mark Levin on his radio show last night summed it up well. Referring to separation of powers in the executive branch and legislative. Much emphasis on the constitution.

The dems are treading into dangerous territory and don't give a crap about the constitution.

No need to get constitutional

No need to get constitutional.

JDW

Wounded skier, beware of mistakes.

News media: Scoreboard for terrorists

Feinstein slays me:"I

Feinstein slays me:"I believe there is even more to come out, and I think it's our duty to bring it out."

No Dianne, you hope there is more to come out! The epitomy of the "new and improved congress". LMAO! The bafoonary continues!

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

The epitomy of the "new and i

The epitomy of the "new and improved congress"

Remember the dem minimum wage, stem cell, Medicare... promises in 2006? What have they passed? What will they pass? Maybe there is a reason they are dancing in the courts. If the conservatives turned off the music imagine what it would look like.

JDW

Wounded skier, beware of mistakes.

News media: Scoreboard for terrorists

Everything you wanted to kn

Everything you wanted to know about Valarie Plame and Joe Wilson, but were afraid to ask*

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

MM...At the latest Kangaroo C

MM...At the latest Kangaroo Congress committee on Valerie this week, it was brought out that Valerie worked, went to work, daily at the CIA building.  After this was exposed,  I think NOVAK asked how could she be "Covert" and yet walk into the CIA building daily......without someone noticing ?  Valerie proceeded to explain she was "Trained" in detecting anyone following her.

Well, Ya don't hafta follow anyone that works in the CIA building to "OUT" them, you just have to hang around the CIA building in Washinton, and watch them come to work...to "OUT" them. 

Geezzz....how do these DUM-A$$ congressmen get elected beyond one term?  

At Times like these, it becomes more than just a Moral Obligation to express ones opinion, it becomes a Pleasure.

"Geezzz....how do thes

"Geezzz....how do these DUM-A$$ congressmen get elected beyond one term?"

JayTee, I believe you have hit upon the question that goes to the heart of these trumped up "scandals"! How indeed.

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

I hope Karl Rove is Subpoena'

I hope Karl Rove is Subpoena'd...and here's how it should go

Congress: Karl, would you please answer the Question !!

KarL: Due to the Scooter Libby entrapment before this committee, and the fact that NO CRIME has been committed, I will take the 5th Amendment right to not answer the Questions as anything I say WILL be used against me.

OR--OR---Bush could just PARDON Scooter, and send a signal as to what is going to happen After this latest investigation....one pardon WILL deserve another....so keep asking and wasting taxpayer money.

At Times like these, it becomes more than just a Moral Obligation to express ones opinion, it becomes a Pleasure.

I think the pres. ought to

I think the pres. ought to pre-print and sign pardons for anyone the dems are gunnin for and post them in one of the Rotunda cases for all to see. Now that would send a message!

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

The most hilarious part of th

The most hilarious part of the discussion is when Valerie Plame was asked why she could be considered covert if everyone knew she was working at CIA headquarters, and she answered that CIA agents are trained in detecting and avoiding being tailed.

Obviously, if everyone knew she was working there ... it wasn't a question of avoiding a tail. If professionally avoiding tails was the issue, no one would have known about her at all. Her answer was completely inane.

Have you seen her tail? I k

Have you seen her tail? I know I would follow it! :-O

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

Funneeeee MM..How come Wils

Funneeeee MM..

How come Wilson looks more like her dad?

The answer is socialism. But only if the question is:

"What's the fastest way to impoverish, enslave and destroy people?"

Who's your daddy?

"Who's your daddy?"

His favorite question?

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

How do covert CIA agents en

How do covert CIA agents enter and exit headquarters?

THis has the makings of a phe

THis has the makings of a phenomenal JOKE! 

Give me some time and I can have something that is dead on accurate and funny at the same time....

Hi MM...Here is another artic

Hi MM...

Here is another article with some wealth of knowledge about Joe Wilson and his French connections....

http://www.americanthinker.com/2005/11/joseph_wilson_iv_the_french_co.html

Hey BT,Thanks, I hadn't see

Hey BT,

Thanks, I hadn't seen that one. My what a tangled web they weave!

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

MM...Seems to me all of this

MM...

Seems to me all of this should be investigated by the Justice Dept. if you ask me...there is a lot it seems that have been kept mum about these two with the media in all forms...you would thank a good reporter with an inquiring mind would or could make a huge story here....but thats just me.

I also want to thank you for your link, I had that in an original post but lost it....lol!

Btw...now that I think of above first point I made here...that's a laugh me wishing the Justice Dept. investigate this isn't it? (Don't answer that question...)

LMAO!

Thanks, BT

Thanks, BT. Quick impressions:

1) Damn the Filthy French for their psychopathic need to harm the U.S.

2) Damn Joe and Valerie Wilson for being lying self-promoting traitors concerned with personal power, even when it harms the interests of the U.S. (and power is a likely reason why she stays with a schlub like him)

3) Damn the Democrats for being more concerned with their own power than with the good of the country.

Another NFL Player heads to war

One of Pat Tillmans Roommates is going to war.  He also gets the reason.  Jeremy Staat, a former defensive lineman for the Pittsburgh Steelers and St. Louis Rams has joined and is going for 7 months.  God Bless him and all that are serving.

Airforce...Thanks for that op

Airforce...

Thanks for that optimistic news...

Great to hear of this, much to the leftists chagrin I suppose because this is the first I have heard of it...thanks to Fox too for that great news.

I wish him safety and thank him so much for his service and sacrifice as I do all military members past and present!

I just finished listening to

I just finished listening to Rush Limbaugh's interview with Arnold Schwarzenegger and found it to be very informative.  While it was congenial, it's pretty obvious they have some philosophical differences.  For me, the reason was crystal clear.  The more Arnold talked . . . . . . (and despite the Austrian accent), the more he sounded like Bob Michael, our "favorite" Republican Congresssional leader of days gone by.  No, make that "appeaser" not "leader". 

Living in, and listening to

Living in, and listening to, SoCal talk radio, get to hear Ahnold a fair amount and hear about him. He did the same thing to Rush that he does when he's on live radio here in SoCal - he filibustered.

Now, I'm not happy with Ahnold since he got trounced in the special election ballot of November 2005. He's went hard left since that time. But, saying that, the guy is at least interesting and often times funny. Which is a far cry from the aptly named Grey Davis.

I probably hold the most animosity toward Ahnold over the election last November. We had a solid, rock ribbed conservative running for Lt. Governor, Tom McClintock. If Ahnold had just come out and vocally supported Tom, he would probably have won the Lt. Governor's office - giving the GOP in CA a ready heir apparent to the Governor's mansion in 2010.


Give a Democrat Party free America a chance!

I'm sure it's been covered, b

I'm sure it's been covered, but just in case it hasn't, does anyone else agree with me that Fox News' Red Eye is stinkerino? I watched part of it (second and last time) when I was up late last night. From it's bizarre topics to the host's and guests' weird and inane opinions,  I can only conclude that Red Eye refers to the result of what they've been smoking. I think it's supposed to be strangely funny, but it's just strange. I thought I had gone to sleep and was having a really weird dream...

The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.

- Arabian Proverb

I thought it was more in the

I thought it was more in the old west flavor of Red Eye Whiskey.  I think it is bizzaro at times, well most of the time.  I think it is at times irreverant and comedic, it seems the pod peopel that host the show are shootibng from the hip most of the time.

My estimation is they are trying new venues to fill the 1 AM slot, well 1 AM where I am.  It is not completely off the mark, but the mark is the broad side of a barn.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark. -- save my gun, shoot a liberal.

Chris,Agreed.  I caught  it

Chris,

Agreed.  I caught  it when I was out in Vegas last month....I'd rather see a rerun of anything else that Fox airs than Red Eye.

It's lame.

Does anyone remember all the

Does anyone remember all the talk about Arnold be a presidential candidate? I'm thinking that we won't have to have a Constitutional Convention any time soon.

There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V

No, not much chance of Ahno

No, not much chance of Ahnold running for President.

However, there has been talk of him running for Senator in 2010. Not from Ahnold's mouth, but from CA insiders. I think he would be challenging Boxer - which no matter how far to the left he's acting, he'd have to be off the edge of the cliff to be as liberal as BaBa. That might be palatable. But, frankly, I don't see him running for Senator. Maria doesn't even like him being the Governor. And as a Senator he wouldn't be able to fly home to Santa Monica every night as he does now.

So, no. Not president and not a CA Senator.


Give a Democrat Party free America a chance!

Where did the picture go?

About 7am CST I looked at Drudge and clicked on the Portland Protest link... among the pics was one with a huge banner saying F___ the Troops in front... I censored that part and e mailed it around... now I am unable to find that pic anywhere! If you e mail me at reelman@cablone.net I will send it... I think it got deep-sixed by some spineless liberal....Anyone else see this pic??

reelman46

I too saw that picture and can't find it anywhere. If you find it let me know

Here's a link to the Soldie

Here's a link to the Soldier Burning in Effigy via Free Republic.

Here, at Little Green Footballs, they point to a kossack post, and another leftist site, where the moonbats speculate that the effigy burning was either a Karl Rove or Republican operatives plot to discredit the whacky leftist protesters.


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Despicable POS!Despicable!Whe

Despicable POS!

Despicable!

Where is our leftist msm showing these?

Filthy Ungrateful Creatures!

Filthy!

Thanks

Thanks John. That disgusting picture is about all the way down the page. I just NEVER knew that Karl Rove had such powers. :-) These scum have lost it. That crap would not fly where I live!!!

John in CA,Thanks for the lin

John in CA,

Thanks for the link.

What dishonorable Americans.

I like how they had their faces covered up by ski masks...just like the terrs.

There's a special place in hell for people like this.

Blonde, I think the protest

Blonde, I think the protestors in the ski masks are probably anarchists. They usually present themselves like that, and in black shirts. Lefties sometimes claim the anarchists aren't part of their group - except that the anarchists always seem to show up at the same places as the moonbats. They sure don't show with the groups who hold support the troops rallies.

Anarchists were right in the middle of all the demonstrators at the 2004 Republican National Convention. right along with all the other moonbat leftists.


Give a Democrat Party free America a chance!

John,Well, taking a page out

John,

Well, taking a page out of the liberal-left-legislating-legalistic movement (how's that for an aLLLLiteration?).

There oughta be a law!  If you have to protest with your face covered, we should tax it!  How about a hundred bucks a mask?

You know....if you have to be anonymous to protest, it ought to cost you. 

If you care to protest as yourself (like the 3:1 Gathering of Eagles in D.C. last weekend, which was totally ignored by the MSM), you get to protest for free.

Hit these libtards in the pocket.  They'd stay home in mom's basement, for sure.

Went back and found this fr

Went back and found this from Michelle Malkin a couple of weeks ago. Meet Ben, the Anarchist. No, he doesn't live in Mom's basement, but at 27, still lives with Mom & Dad. Gotta wonder if Mom & Dad know what junior is up to in his free time. I know if I had been living at home at 27 and participating in those type of activities, I would have been out on my a$$. After Dad had kicked it.


Give a Democrat Party free America a chance!

Ruh-roh, some very bad news l

Ruh-roh, some very bad news late this afternoon for the Hillary Clinton VRWC Express, not to mention the Daily KAOS, Dummy Underground, et al-let's see how much play THIS story gets in the MSM over the next couple of days:

CONCORD, N.H. (AP) The First Circuit Court of Appeals in Boston has reversed the conviction and sentence of James Tobin, the former regional chairmain of President Bush's re-election campaign who was sentenced to 10 months in prison for his role in an Election Day phone-jamming plot against New Hampshire Democrats in 2002.

LOL funny Del!Priceless in fa

LOL funny Del!

Priceless in fact!

That made my day so far!

Here's the Dim response: FOR

Here's the Dim response:

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: New Hampshire Democratic Party
March 21, 2007 Contact: Evan Carlson
(603) 225-6899

STATEMENT FROM KATHY SULLIVAN ON TOBIN DECISION

CONCORD, NH - The following is a statement from State Party Chair Kathy
Sullivan on the decision for the First Circuit Court of Appeals to remand
the case against former Republican National Committee Northeast Regional
Director James Tobin to the district court for further proceedings:

"We are disappointed in the court's decision that the jury instructions were
not sufficient. We expect that when the case returns to New Hampshire the
Department of Justice will vigorously pursue the prosecution and conviction
of Mr. Tobin. The Court did find that nothing precludes a rational jury
from concluding that Tobin was a conspirator or that he knew and agreed to
the general means of the disruption of Democratic Party phone lines.

This decision will not have any impact on our request for an investigation
into whether political considerations played a role in Department of Justice
decisions relating to this case.

"The National Republican party has invested millions of dollars defending
James Tobin, but we believe that despite their best efforts to continue
stonewalling the phone-jamming scandal, justice will be served."

Del...They never...ever...qui

Del...

They never...ever...quit!

Hypocrites all!

Thanks once again for this info...it is important to me!

Now Shrillary...next move!

Open mouth....insert foot!

Screech on...and on... and on....

Woo-hoo! "In the sack

Woo-hoo! "In the sack with a flack" for the LATimes editor!
JMR

Sorry, no posts matched your criteria.

It's gone sarc.

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

I somehow messed up the lin

I somehow messed up the link, should be fixed now, this is the same one if all went well in the mysteries of WYSIWIG HTML.
JMR