Networks Hail Another 'Bright Idea' for Regulation

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How many networks does it take to change a lightbulb? Two.

CBS "Evening News" and ABC "World News with Charles Gibson" both ran segments on a coalition supporting a ban on incandescent light bulbs in order to save money and save the planet through decreased energy consumption.

“Brian Castelli is part of a growing coalition that wants to ban your standard bulb and replace it with compact fluorescents (CFLs). Advocates say it’ll cut greenhouse gases, save electricity and money,” said CBS technology correspondent Daniel Sieberg.

Both networks left out the anti-regulation perspective that if compact fluorescent bulbs are really more efficient and will save consumers money in the long run there is no need for a mandate from the government.

NBC "Nightly News" did include one advocate of consumer choice: General Electric, its parent company. GE offered this statement to viewers:

“We strongly support the continued development of energy-efficient light sources, but we do not think banning incandescent lamps or any other technology, and limiting consumer choice, is the right approach.”

But none of the networks included any criticism of the CFLs and none questioned the argument that using the more efficient bulb will decrease energy consumption overall.


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Great idea, ban the conventio

Great idea, ban the conventional light bulb, that way the poor can't afford lighting, after all though in the long term the CFL may save you money, it doesn't matter if you can't purchase it in the first place! The poor don't deserve such luxuries such as lighting, that should only be for the Super Elites! Now we just need a way to take away lighting from the middleclass....

List of Good Countries: Georgia,Poland, Lithuania, Britain, and Australia.   Feel free to PM me suggestions for my list, its lacking a bit

What next? Once again, mor

What next? Once again, more MSM people with their God-complex, speaking from the fullness of their ignorance. I have a few of these compact fluorescent bulbs, and they don't seem to last as long as the incandescent types. Plus, there's cold-starting issues (fluorescent bulbs depend upon a gas ionizing to emit light- if it's too cold, the gas can't ionize, therefore no light). Plus, a whole host of other issues. Is the juice worth the squeeze in this case? Maybe not.

Here's another bit of food for thought. Fluorescent bulbs emit more "blue-spectrum" light, including UV. Means more possible eye damage and skin cancer. Incandescents emit more "red-spectrum" light- easier on the eyes. Not only that- for us cold-climate types, incandescent light emit a lot more heat- helps augment the furnace. Anyone know of any studies on the effects of long-term exposure to fluorescent light?

We have to segregate flouresc

We have to segregate flourescent lights for disposal due to the mercury at work.

rb usmc, do you live in Min

rb usmc, do you live in Minnesota?

I spent a few months in Minnesota a couple of years ago. There they have to take their flourescent tubes to sites that accept them. You have to pay like fifty cents per tube for disposal. My buddy I was visiting is a handyman and we went into many businesses to do work. ALL of them had dozens of used tubes just stashed in closets and attics and storage areas. They didn't want to pay the disposal fee.

One place finally decided they had to get rid of their stash of used flourescent tubes and since we were doing some other work had us round up their tubes and get rid of them. This business had over 100 flourescent tubes stashed around the business.

This phenomenon was so prevalent I kidded with my buddy that the Minnesota State Weed was the used flourescent tube.


Give a Democrat Party free America a chance!

No John, Pa. Same situation t

No John, Pa. Same situation though.

Have the same situation here.

Have the same situation here. Mercury is federally classified as a hazardous substance, so the same rules apply nationally, I believe. You're also supposed to dispose of your home fluorescents (shop lights, anyone?) the same way, but most people aren't aware of that, and simply break them in their trash cans.

Ooops!

Yep, trade one 'supposed' cat

Yep, trade one 'supposed' catastrophe for another real one. If this plan was put into effect how long before there was catastrophic mercury contamination? A guy called into Rush's show a few weeks back, and said his employer uses these new bulbs, and he is in charge of taking them to a recycling center in a company SUV,  the closest one being about fifty-miles from his location,and that they charge to take them. 

Now it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that you are doing worse 'supposed' harm to the environment, and your pocket, by burning a more expensive bulb full of mercury, and then driving a one-hundred mile round trip in an SUV in order to recycle them, and then having to pay someone to take em'.

So you tell me how is this environmentaly, and monetarily efficient?

Those brilliant Democrats, whatever will they think of next? No wonder the symbol of thier party is a Jackass.  

 "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

                   - Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.

The MSM trusts government fia

The MSM trusts government fiat over the free market? Why, you could knock me over with a feather (albeit a very large and heavy feather)... :)

The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.

- Arabian Proverb

Ask the MSM about Fox News or

Ask the MSM about Fox News or talk radio, and you'll get your answer about their opinion on a free market.

Of course they do, Chris.

Of course they do, Chris. After all, look how successful the government-mandated low-flow toilets are!

Junk Science had a link to

Junk Science had a link to a blog entry from someone over in the UK where they're having to deal with this same stuff: Light bulbs and Eco-fascism.

It goes into a lot of the drawbacks of CF bulbs. I'm aware of some of them from personal experience (they don't work well, sometimes not at all, in cold weather and you can't use them in enclosed fixtures). The big one though was this:

Perhaps most significantly of all, however, to run CFLs economically
they must be kept on more or less continuously. The more they are
turned on and off, the shorter becomes their life...

I must disagree, Dave. We hav

I must disagree, Dave. We have CF's in several enclosed fixtures in our home.  And they outlast incandescent's by a large margin. For instance, we used to have to replace the bulb in the fixture over our kitchen sink about three times a year. The CF we now have in that fixture has been in use for about 3 years.

We also have CF's in two of the fixtures outside our home, by the front and back doors. Since we live in NE Ohio, they're exposed to cold weather and we've had no problems with them. I can't comment on the suggestion that the more they're turned on and off, the shorter their life. We also have them in fixtures in our home which we turn off and on several times a day. So far, it doesn't seem to have effected their lifespan. But I haven't payed attention to how long they've been in use in those fixtures.

However, I don't see that forcing everyone to switch to CF's is going to make much of an impact on overall energy consumption. But I wouldn't mind if I could get a tax credit when I buy them. :)

QM,In cold temperatures, fluo

QM,

In cold temperatures, fluorescents will produce less light. In extreme cold, it will be noticeably less. Don't know about the longevity, but I've seen this at my job. Here in NW Indiana, it gets pretty darn cold! And I'd judge that our CFs only put out about half their normal light when it gets below 20 degrees or so...

Check it out next cold-snap,
IJ

If I had one wish (other than

If I had one wish (other than...well never mind), it would be to bring the founding fathers a view to the future so they could write alot more specific limitations of government into the constitution.

Regulating light bulbs?  Arrrrrgggghhhhhh!!!!!

Ban hot air

Here's a regulation idea ripe for passing - Ban hot air emmitted by fear- mongering journalists.

Bye bye Charlie......

Oh sheesh! Some California

Oh sheesh! Some California liberal assemblyman just tried to do this a couple of weeks ago. Wanted to mandate all light bulbs be CFL's by 2012. Of course, 2011 would roll around and some study would come out to say that there was only 50% compliance. The study would further reveal that too many people didn't want to spend the money on the initial outlay to convert. Then the magnanimous state assembly would pass legislation to provide everyone with free CFL's.

You know that's how it would happen. Afterall, in 2009 all TV signals have to be digital, so those who haven't bought digital compatible TV's by then are going to be provided a $40 dollar certificate to pay for a converter. Cuz, you know, it's just not right that someone might not be able to watch TV come January 2009. The innocent TV viewer wouldn't be able to be force fed the liberal driveby media offerings. All this courtesy of our magnanimous, benevolent Congress.

Anyway, this CA state assembly initiative to force us to use CFL's was quickly squashed after a couple of SoCal talk radio jocks at KFI encouraged their listeners to call the assemblyman who was co-sponsoring the bill (a Republican). Apparently there were several thousand calls made over the course of a week and the co-sponsor dropped his endorsement and the legislation died.

This CFL flap came after an earlier CA legislation effort to outlaw spanking any child under the age of four. Effectively, if you popped your kid's diapered butt, you could go to jail for a year and/or be fined $1000. That got enough criticism that the sponsor dropped it - but she's onto something else now.

After those a CA assemblyman is now pushing something about forcing zoo's and animal parks to provide a minimum number of square miles for elephants. I can't remember what the number is, but when asked why that number he just thought it sounded right.

And the most recent effort is that all cats and dogs in CA must be spayed and neutered. If you are a breeder you can buy a special license to exempt your animals.

Ahhh, heck, it's California, I could go on and on...but I won't.


Give a Democrat Party free America a chance!

John,Sorry about the Californ

John,

Sorry about the California thing. A beautiful state ruined by stupid people, it sounds like.

Hang in there,
IJ

IJ- you're also describing

IJ- you're also describing New York State.

  So how many fluorescent bu

  So how many fluorescent bulbs will it take to light the sets for these nightly newscasts?

   Because surely everybody will be included in the ban won't they?

Kind of like Kyoto for (MsM)

Kind of like Kyoto for (MsM) newscasts, right?

Oh, wow, there's a great joke

Oh, wow, there's a great joke out there that just hasn't been written yet...

"How many (blanks) does it take to change an incandescent light bulb to a CFL?"

SOMEONE has to finish this! I got nothin'.....

So... the left feels things l

So... the left feels things like recreational drug use, marriage, abortion, sexual orientation, open borders, and citizenship status are none of the governments business to regulate but I can't have an incandescent bulb?

You can have my incandesent b

You can have my incandesent bulb when you pry it from my cold, dead hands. (hehehe)

ROTFLMAO!!!Nice one, Rackie!C

ROTFLMAO!!!

Nice one, Rackie!

Chortling, even....

Ok. They have already done th

Ok. They have already done this in Australia; look into it. Australia wants all incandescent bulbs phased out by 2009. I hope they don't ban my halogens, I love halogen light. I have a massive salt water aquarium that uses sun-lamps. Are they going to ban those? Yikes!

Curly-bulbs

Believer
Where have these light-heads been? In the 80's I changed all the lighting in my restaurants to gaseous and even got an award from the state for conservation!!!! I was probably voting indy then.

I have been reading by gas(fl) for as long as a quarter century. They take some time to warm up, but I will take care of personal matters b4 crawling in the sheets.

There are usually good deals sponsored by our state and I stock up. I will say I have had a couple over-heat, so be aware if they smell hot ande change them. Also, they are designed to give the long life if left on rather than switching on and off, to wit, more kwhs.

I have noticed that rates have gone up as we have conserved especially on the delivery side of the rates. It is now close to half on our $80 monthly bill. We are all electric except for the wood stove, oil bbh back-up.

Great subject, but very, very ancient history as is the discussion re:CAFE standards, which neither party has the stomach for anything but talk, no action. the technology for 100mpg has been out there for years and folks have disappeared for their good work on the same

Indeed, the technology for 10

Indeed, the technology for 100 mpg is out there (maybe)...but does anyone WANT it? 

I, for one, am content to drive my beloved truck: 20 mpg highway/15 mpg city.  And I WANT to out of my own freewill.  Get between my truck and I and you shall pay DEARLY. 

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

lol. That reminds me of my f

lol. That reminds me of my first truck. 1977 GMC Sierra Classic. 9 Miles to the Gallon. The good ol' days :-) Had the winch, the gun rack, the shell. ahhhh

Implying I am a redneck?You m

Implying I am a redneck?

You might be in for a very nasty shock...

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

CFL's

I don't know enough about these bulbs yet but I do know that, in Palm Beach County, if a fluorecent bulb goes out, I can't throw it in the trash, I have to take it to a recycling center. There are features in standard fluorecent bulbs that require they not be put into the normal waste disposal system.  Now, how much of these same chemicals are in the compact bulbs?  I just don't know.  What I do know is, if we take all the incandescent bulbs out of circulation, and replace them the compact fluorecents, we could have a recycling problem.  As I said, I don't know, at this time, what the chemicals are, or if they're in the compacts, but it should be a factor before the government starts mandating their use.

Another big difference betwee

Another big difference between the two is that incandescent bulbs give out the same lumens until the day they die, where as florescent tubes start dying from the minute they are turned on. And that’s why (gradually reducing lumens) in many large office complexes, all of the tubes are replaced every 1-2 years.

Replaced

Yes and when they are replaced, the ones that are in a fixture that have more than one bulb, ALL of the bulbs are usually replaced whether they need it or not.

gfrrman,Where I work...we hav

gfrrman,

Where I work...we have to wait for the Union guys to come replace the lightbulbs....how lame is that?

So it generally looks like the bat cave...when they replace the lightbulbs.

Because they all need replacing.

Lame' O.

Blonde

Nothing says UNION like requiring more than a few people to have to replace a light bulb!!!

Dude,I love the Bat Cave!Wish

Dude,

I love the Bat Cave!

Wish the electrical union would figure out how to modify the A.C.

I freeze in So. Fla. all year long.

How stupid is that?

A.C.

They know how to do that, but then that would mean they had to actually do some work!!! Remember the "job" of a Union "worker" is to do the least amount of work using the most amount of people to accomplish said job. And then take all day long to do it and take numerous breaks in the meantime. If I can do it in 1/2 hour then it will take 6 Union "workers" all day long while taking 8 hours and 6, 1/2 hour breaks. And people wonder why certain things cost so much??....UNIONS!!!

gfr...Precisely.Why I freeze

gfr...

Precisely.

Why I freeze my buns off all year in Fort Lauderdale.

Idiotic!

Blonde

Sweater season for you year round?!!!!.....and in Florida of all places..geez!! It's almost comical.

"Idiotic" is a bett

"Idiotic" is a better word for it.

Thank you, IBOTs! (International Brotherhood of Teamsters).

I HATE unions.  And what they represent.

Idiotic

Idiotic, indeed!! I feel for ya. The irony of unions is that they really started bitching when U.S. manufacturing Cos. started moving out of the country because of the costs they imposed on businesses. They screamed that it wasn't fair and poof!.....they are the ones that caused it. I have no pity for unions.

&%$#@! Unions

Companies don't want a crowd of people with a giant inflatible rat hanging out in front of their building all day, especially in Manhatten. And I've seen it. &%$#@!

SL- not only do they produc

SL- not only do they produce less light, but the current draw increases as the bulbs age.

Flourescent Bulb Content

"...I don't know, at this time, what the chemicals are, or if they're in the compacts..."

The chemicals are various gases, depending on the color/color temperature of the bulb in question. They are fixed, and the amount is only dependent on the lumens the bulb puts out, which is related to the wattage of the bulb. A compact bulb only changes the form factor of the flourescent tube, the contents remain the same. So if you have to recycle the long tube, you'll have to treat the compact the same way, unless the local constabulary doesn't know what you now know. :o)

R/
Clyde

"...the aspirants to tyranny are either the...men of the state, who in democracies are demagogues,... or those who hold great offices, and have a long tenure.." - Aristotle, Politics, c350BC

The chemicals also include me

The chemicals include mercury, which, to my knowledge, is why they require special handling. And yes, the CFLs also include mercury, as mentioned earlier in this thread. 

It's just trading one supposed "problem" for a REAL problem....

I don't want to give the re

I don't want to give the regulators any ideas, but what's impressed me for lighting these days is LEDs. They're getting increasingly-cheap, and although they're said to burn-out eventually, I've sure never seen it. And people can choose the exact part of the spectrum they want (hell, they've even gotten LEDs to lase, but almost nobody needs that!). I have all 3 kinds of lights, and I totally agree there should be no mandate from big government on this issue.
JMR

LED's

I've seen some comments about LED's and believe they will end up being the light of the future.  Their savings, over incandenscent bulbs, are tremendous, so all the legislators, trying to get on the bandwagon, should hold their water for a few years.  They already have led's that are being used for low voltage outdoor lighting so it won't be long before they evolve. 

A light bulb just went off in Washington. Again.

While Europe lags behind the US in productivity, freedom, and democracy, it does lead the world in pioneering and groundbreaking SOCIALIST and ECO-INSANITY.

As such, the EU is widely admired by Hilary Clinton, John Kerry and the Democrapic Party. People very well insulated from the crap that is socialism by having vast wealth, hidden away from prying IRS eyes.

For instance, the totalitarian EU is forever raising taxes and plotting even more government control over the lives of its citizens. Many of whom quite like being told what to do morning, noon and night. After all communism and fascism did start there, and has never really gone away.

Which bring me to their latest shite idea ... LIGHT BULBS & ECO-FASCISM.

So, what are the disadvantages of CFLs over the traditional bulbs that have served us well since that bulb went off above Mr Edison's head?

  1. CFLs are larger, much heavier and mostly much uglier than familiar bulbs - and up to 20 times more expensive - the vast majority of them give off a harsher, less pleasant light.
  2. They do not produce light in a steady stream, like an incandescent bulb, but flicker 50 times a second, so some who use them for reading eventually find their eyes beginning to swim – and they can make fast-moving machine parts look stationary, posing a serious safety problem – the so-called "strobe effect".
  3. CFLs cannot be used with dimmer switches or electronically-triggered security lights. They cannot be used in microwaves, ovens or freezers, because these are either too hot or too cold for them to function (at any temperature above 50C or lower than –18C they don't work),
  4. CFLs need much more ventilation than a standard bulb, they cannot be used in any enclosed light fitting which is not open at both bottom and top. The implications of which for anyone who wants light horrendous. Not a problem for the mental enviros who would like us all to live in mud huts with tallow candles.


COSTS UP... POWER UP... ENERGY CONSUMPTION UP

Home owners will have to replace billions of light fittings, at a cost a large tad upwards of frackin' outrageous..

  • Low-energy bulbs are much more complex to make than standard bulbs, requiring up to ten times as much energy to manufacture.
  • Unlike standard bulbs, they use toxic materials, including mercury vapour, which the EU itself last year banned from landfill sites – which means that recycling the bulbs will itself create an enormously expensive problem.
  • Perhaps most significantly of all, however, to run CFLs economically they must be kept on more or less continuously.
  • The more they are turned on and off, the shorter becomes their life, creating a fundamental paradox, as is explained by an Australian electrical expert Rod Elliott (whose Elliott Sound Products website provides as good a technical analysis of the disadvantages of CFLs as any on the internet).
  • If people continue switching their lights on and off when needed, as Mr Elliott puts it, they will find that their "green" bulbs have a much shorter life than promised, thus triggering a consumer backlash from those who think they have been fooled.
  • But if they keep their lights on all the time to maximize their life, CFLs can end up using almost as much electricity from power stations (creating CO2 emissions) as incandescent bulbs – thus canceling out their ONLY supposed advantage.
  • Such is the price we are now beginning to pay for the "eco-madness" which is sweeping through Western political classes like a psychic pandemic. Or STDs at a bareback whore house.
  • And this looming crazy Eco-blunder is arguably the starkest symbol to date of the crazy new world into which certifiable loons and fanatics like AlGore are leading us.

The answer is socialism. But only if the question is:

"What's the fastest way to impoverish, enslave and destroy people?"