True, the term 'Nazi' is often, if not too often, overused, mainly by libs/dems who don't like our opinion or beliefs.

I've read Kafkakafer before, and he's truly what you say. Sometimes it's fun just to egg him (and others) on!

I read NB everyday rain or shine. In fact I've been reading it since it's inception.  I rarely post as I have to work and can't use company time or resources to read /post to NB, so I do it when I'm off and don't have a honey-do list. I also prefer not to post simple  one-liners.

You being and 'old-timer' and me a newbie doesn't mean you're right and I'm wrong, or the other way around.  That's the beauty of the 1st ammendment and this site...we can discuss.

I agree,  civil discourse is a waste of time for some folks, for those people we should just not respond.  Let them drivel on. They will go elsewhere.  But there are others who are willing and are able to discuss with civility with no name calling. Just because we don't agree with them, or they don't articulate their ideas well doesn't make them idiots or incoherant.   Some are and some are not. 

So why not discuss with those who can without lowering themselves?  Are we going to shut out those who have the faculties to talk simply because we don't like their ideas?  If so we are no better than libs/dems or for that matter, Nazis.

We all like to have fun posting our thoughts. Sometimes we have lengthy discussions, sometimes we go too far and other times we have many, many  laughs.

I've seen the 'dark side' of liberal websites, and I will not to emmulate them with similar postings.  We're better than that. Freedom of expression is just one of the many freedoms I fought for, regardless of how idiotic the other person may seem.

Hey SSS,

Not cool man! The 9-11 hijackers came through Canada and were allowed to stay due to liberal "student" visas.

How 'bout we keep this on a mature level and not lower ourselves to theliberal/Dems level?

Dear Wilbur,

You ask old Tumbler for a long list of explanations; all of which he can give you. Here's a quickie:

"IMHO they should not be [hired] unless they are Americans or have green cards . It has NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM NOT BEING WHITE...SO GET OVER IT!" -----Tumbler: I clearly said that the white racist element is THEIR perception of things, as soon as you arrest and deport them. You should bawl them out for it, not me. I'm an American, Wil.

Just in passing, then:

"A wall would only be a setback, but like a professional burglar, he will eventually get in, but at least the non-professional would not." ---Tumbler: Let me give you a surprise. I estimate easily 60% of these people don't even climb the fence. They are smuggled over the border in cars and trucks, even on FOOT, through our immigration and customs checkpoints. Baja California has its thriving cottage industry, Wilbur; selling them fake passports, temporary permits and birth certificates. Our inspectors at the gates work hard, but it's impossible to nabe every peon coming through who merely has to answer a rapid question or two: Place of birth?-- Answer-- TEXAS. Phonetically easy to say Tek sas. We're speaking here of MILLIONS of crossings a year, by car and on foot, at how many dozen border checkpoints.

And, although you (snidel) referred to the mexican illegal as "ignorant, uneducated, unskilled, etc., thousands of them study English over there in Mexico. And they may be farmers, but not at all ignorant, my friend. Some are more intelligent than YOU. Remember-- once they're over here, they melt into the background of hundreds of our cities. We have a MAJOR, MAJOR problem. One which walls and fences can't HOPE to end. I suggest that instead of wasting 40 billion dollars on boondoggle fence construction, our government fix the problem passing major legislation. Prison terms for repeat offenders is a good start.

The hardest pill to swallow, I know, is amnesty for millions already living in the U.S. There is no way possible to uproot more than a small number of them over the years. Might as well have a spoonful of sugar to help the "medicine" go down smoothly: The truly splendid POTENTIAL this 7 million Mexicans (and others) represent for our society. That is, once they're permited openly to RISE to their potential. Because they learn FAST, Wilbur. As the old saying goes, (paraphrased) "Give a smart  Mexican a ball of steel wool and he'll knit you a stove."

Remember; I'm not advocating an open border, or lax enforcement. A few demagogues in this forum keep saying that, and calling me the apologist, or friend of illegal aliens. --Some even accuse me of being a Mexican myself. (If I really were, I'd be PROUD to say so, believe me.) They refuse to be told about racism and white supremacy; as if --perish the though! --That's never been true of America! HA HA! You're damn right it has; more often than they care to admit.

Yeah-- Listen to R J, our resident KKK lover and bottom-feeder --everybody knows he never goes over the top; he'll punk your wife if you don't watch out. Nothing's too vile for R J, once he hates your guts.

OH OH! Beg pardon! I'm mistaken, it's NOT R J I should denounce for punking our wives. (Sorry, R-J, not cool of Tumbler.)

I momentarily confused him for another. That would be El Moco, who posts as Roger Shrubber; HE punks wives of other participants here, and he also hates Tumbler. Almost as much as R J. But I must apologise to R J, for mistaking him for a dobermann pincher like Rog.

Yet I clean R J's plow ever time he surfaces for air. It discourages him from posting for days at a time. Just keep looking. He'll drop out until next week, to lick his wounds.

To tell you the truth, tracheotomy, I don't recall that link. I found you too urgent and a little verbose. You confuse me; because when I've been attacked from all sides for hours, a loquacious post is tiresome. I probably hoped to fend off what I then assumed was protestant assertiveness. Maybe you'll pardon me for that. I hope also that I understand correctly. You're a Catholic loyal to the Pope? Well. Don't feel that i'm forcing you or judging. I'm kind of tired now; but glad we had a moment to communicate in peace.

I'm so weary of confrontations. I'm old, you know. I'll be 70 in November, God permitting.

Lack of values, ergo barbarianism.

"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.