CBS's Cohen: Reno/Gonzales Comparisons Are 'Apples & Oranges'

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CBS legal analyst Andrew Cohen seems to indirectly respond to my March 14 blog post with a March 15 salvo over at CBS's "Couric & Co." blog. [Scroll below for a NYT story from March 1993 that noted that it was unusual for the AG to be involved in the holdover resignation process]

Some cyber folks, trying to attack the credibility of eminent professors Stanley Katz and Stanley Kutler, took the time to research their campaign contributions. I do not know, and don’t necessarily care, where the two professors I interviewed choose to spend their money.

Cohen may not care what their political leanings are, but the point is that he was citing these "eminent professors" to give an air of scholarly detachment to a decidedly antagonistic view of the attorney general. As such, it's legitimate to see if those sources are relatively non-partisan scholars dedicated solely to integrity and excellence in the legal profession, or if their political leanings might color their analysis. [continued...]

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I'd argue that giving thousands of dollars over some eight or ten years of campaign contributions speaks to one's political philosophy and is a valid point.

In the same manner, Cohen is entitled to his personal opinion, but he gets paid by CBS to give straightforward legal analysis. Indeed, he's appeared recently on the "Evening News" to comment on the Gonzales matter. CBS viewers should be made aware of how passionate a Gonzales critic Cohen is:

Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales is the 80th attorney general of the United States and if recent events in the law and at the Justice Department are any indication, he is rapidly staking a claim to being among the worst.

That's how Cohen began the first in his three-part blog series at the Washington Post's Bench Conference blog. It's fair to say from a cursory read that Cohen is no fan of Gonzales and he's not shy about writing about his opinions. That's fine, but it's that grain of salt that CBS News viewers should season his analysis with.

Finally, Cohen's post only rehashed what he's already asserted previously. He argued that the 1993 Reno firings of Bush holdovers and the 2007 Gonzales firings are "apples & oranges," and that to "compare these two episodes is to say that when a dog bites a man it is as newsworthy as when a man bites a dog."

Why? Because every new administration expects holdovers to submit letters of resignation and generally accepts most if not all of them.

But, no one is arguing that point. What is at issue, however, is the manner in which the media failed to find controversy in the unprecedented way Reno handled resignation. Some news outlets reported it, of course, but it was not inflated into a major controversy, even though it threatened to throw a monkey wrench into the criminal prosecution of a Democratic congressman.

Prior to Reno, it was unprecedented for a U.S. attorney general to summarily dismiss each and every U.S. attorney in one fell swoop, rather than accept tendered resignations and ease replacements into office in a case-by-case fashion.

Here's how the New York Times's David Johnston reported the matter in his March 24, 1993, article, which was written the day prior. Portions in bold my emphasis (h/t Sweetness & Light):

Attorney General Janet Reno today demanded the prompt resignation of all United States Attorneys, leading the Federal prosecutor in the District of Columbia to suggest that the order could be tied to his long-running investigation of Representative Dan Rostenkowski, a crucial ally of President Clinton.

Jay B. Stephens, the United States Attorney for the District of Columbia, who is a Bush Administration holdover, said he had advised the Justice Department that he was within 30 days of making a "critical decision" in the Rostenkowski case when Ms. Reno directed him and other United States Attorneys to submit their resignations, effective in a matter of days.

While prosecutors are routinely replaced after a change in Administration, Ms. Reno's order accelerated what had been expected to be a leisurely changeover.

At a news conference today only hours after one by Ms. Reno, Mr. Stephens said he would not resist the Attorney General's move to force him from office, and he held back from directly accusing her of interfering with the Rostenkowski inquiry.

But Mr. Stephens left the strong impression that Ms. Reno's actions might disrupt the investigation as he moved toward a decision on whether to seek charges against the Illinois Democrat, who is chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee.

"This case has been conducted with integrity," Mr. Stephens said, "and I trust the decisions in this case will not be made based on political considerations."

Nonetheless, lawyers who have followed the investigation have said that Mr. Stephens has been concerned that the Democratic Administration might try to upset his investigation.

[...]

All 93 United States Attorneys knew they would be asked to step down, since all are Republican holdovers, and 16 have resigned so far. But the process generally takes much longer and had usually been carried out without the involvement of the Attorney General

—Ken Shepherd is Managing Editor of NewsBusters


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Right for the wrong reasons

Cohen is right for the wrong reasons.  The Clinton/Reno actions were very suspicious, the current actions, not so much.  Clinton undoubtedly wanted a whole staff of US attorneys who were loyal to him.

In 2001 when Bush came on board, I remember thinking that he ought to do what Clinton did.  Clinton's total overhaul of the attorneys was suspicious, and Bush should have been mistrustful of all of them.  Bush could have said he was replacing a staff appointed by Clinton for political reasons.

Sanitary Tortilla Factory 8P

Sanitary Tortilla Factory 8P

Of course it's an apples-to-o

Of course it's an apples-to-oranges comparison. Bush's 8 firings were for the improvement of the judiciary, whereas Clinton's 93 firings were purely partisan politics.

Neither of these reasons are illegitimate, but they do reveal a stark difference:  Bush's actions, whether prudent or not, are based on a sincere desire to govern in a forthright manner, whereas Clinton's were based purely on partisan political calculations and paybacks.  So, yes; it definitely is an apples-to-oranges comparison: Statesman Bush compared to Politician Clinton. 

BTW: I'm not saying one is better than the other, as far as this goes (so don't get your panties in a bunch, Libs).  In fact, sometimes I wish Bush was more of a politician and had, upon assuming office,  fired everyone Clinton ever hired.

"...fired everyone Clint

"...fired everyone Clinton ever hired."....Im with ya mattm. W should have cleanded house, state department, FBI, CIA and all. Remember also the travel department under Clinton. The Hildabeast fired them all.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

I hear ya. What I don't wan

I hear ya. What I don't want folks to get lost in is that media guys like Cohen are buying the liberal/dKos/HuffPost/Clintonista line about the Reno thing being routine and hence the media inattention to it in 1993 was not media bias.

It wasn't a routine procedure, although it was wholly legit for Reno to do. I don't really take issue with the Reno/Clinton firings per se but the way the media are buying into the argument that it was as routine as how say Reagan handled Carter's holdovers or Bush I handled Reagan holdovers or whatever.

Why did Reno even need to ask

Why did Reno even need to ask for their resignations in March 1993?   She (or the acting AG) should have had resignation letters from each and every Bush41 AUSA in January 1993.

Why didn't the Bush41 AUSAs  follow tradition and submit resignation letters in January? 

Did 70 plus Bush41 AUSAs just forget to submit their resignation letter?

Ashcroft got all of Clinton's AUSAs resignation letters in January 2001. And had  replacements by June. 

This is the most irrelevant post about the issue I've read to da

This is the most irrelevant post about the issue I've read to date.

You don't by the way, of course, have any documented proof of this BS, do ya?

ACA

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Quoted from:  'Acaiguana Notes from the Bomb Shelter' (soon to be a movie at theaters near you)

acaiguana - From Ashcroft's l

acaiguana - From Ashcroft's letter to your eyes:

In January of this year, nearly all presidential appointees from the previous administration offered their resignations.

[...]

The White House and the Department of Justice have begun to schedule transition dates for most of the remaining United States Attorneys to occur prior to June of this year

Reno would not have needed to ask for BUsh41's USAs  resignations in March if she already had them in January, duh!

Hey, dingy - citing a letter from Ashcroft does not answer me.

Hey, dingy - citing a letter from Ashcroft does not answer me.

You claimed that 70 of the AGs left over from Bush (the elder) did not resign.  You cite Ashcroft, that would be Bush (the younger).

Now, I'm not generally one to point out absolute idiot logical flaws.  But this one requires some answer.

By the way.  Resignations are not required.  They are a formality.  They have zero meaning on the current issues.  And if Bush woke up tomorrow and pulled a 'Clinton', no one could do anything about it.

Therefore, what happened in the past with 'resignations' is irrelevant, ignorant and not important to the discussion.  Which was my original point to you.

I generally don't talk to you on this site; now you can see why.

ACA

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Quoted from:  'Acaiguana Notes from the Bomb Shelter' (soon to be a movie at theaters near you)

acaiguana -  you ask for do

acaiguana -  you ask for documentmented  proof and when its presented you call it irrelevant - wtg!

Bush43 did not have to ask for letters of resignations because Clinton's USAs provided Ashcroft with resignations letters in January and all were replaced/fired  by June (see letter linked above).

Reno (in March) had to ask for the resignation letters because Bush41's USAs did not have the courtesy to follow traditional formality and submit a resignation letter when Clinton took office.  From March 25, 1993 Press Briefing

Q   I had the clear impression that we were being told
yesterday that we had misinterpreted Reno's remarks, that while they
were asking for letters of resignation, that it wasn't a wholesale
clearing out all at once.
     
      MR. STEPHANOPOULOS:  We've asked for the letters of
resignation.  We will be looking at these at a case-by-case basis.  I
think the presumption should be that the U.S. attorneys in place will
go.  There might be special circumstances where some will stay.

In other words Bush43, replaced/fired all (except 2) of Clinton's USAs by June of 2001 - the same that Reno did in 1993 with the exception that Reno had to ask for the resignation letters first before she could replace them! 

Geez, dingy finally answered me about Clinton's resignations.

Geez, dingy finally answered me about Clinton's resignations.

Excuse me, the firing of 92 of Bush 41's AGs.  Nowhere in the transcript you provided does it cite that no resignations had not been offered.  Nowhere in the transcript do you cite a number of '70'.  Nowhere in the transcript do you show that Clinton's clean sweep was anything other than a blatant political ploy used by Clinton to restack Justice.

But, who cares?  Clinton had the right to do that, just like Bush has the right to fire 8.

So, once again, I point out to you that your making an issue of this with respect to the racist Democrats versus Gonzales is useless, inane, irrelevant and ignorant.

Thanks for all the fish though, Dingy.

ACA

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Quoted from:  'Acaiguana Notes from the Bomb Shelter' (soon to be a movie at theaters near you)

acaiguana- Nowhere in the tra

acaiguana-

Nowhere in the transcript you provided does it cite that no resignations had not been offered.  Nowhere in the transcript do you cite a number of '70'

 The article detailing the 70 is behind a pay wall. Luckily for you, Free Republic has an  excerpt:

 When Attorney General Janet Reno first announced the blanket dismissal of about 70 United States Attorneys who are Bush Administration holdovers...

 Why is there such an outcry of Reno replacing them at the end of March but not a twitter about Ashcroft replacing all (except2) of them by June?

dingy, I'm way done with you. I've made my point.

dingy, I'm way done with you.  I've made my point.

You belabor yours.

You are either too dense to understand, it don't mean nothin' or you are too dense.

ACA

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Quoted from:  'Acaiguana Notes from the Bomb Shelter' (soon to be a movie at theaters near you)

acaiguana - The only point yo

acaiguana - The only point you made was to squawk about documentation and then ignore it when it was provided.

OK, Dingy, since you cannot seem to carry thought in a bucket.

OK, Dingy, since  you cannot seem to carry thought in a bucket.

Dingy says:  "Did 70 plus Bush41 AUSAs just forget to submit their resignation letter?"

Aca says:  "You don't by the way, of course, have any documented proof of this BS, do ya?"

Dingy says:  "Reno would not have needed to ask for BUsh41's USAs  resignations in March if she already had them in January, duh!"  (Editor's note - after Dingy sends ACA off to read a letter about Bush43's Attorney Generals from Ashcroft - which has nothing to do with the question about Bush41's AGs resignations and proof of the very first claim made by Dingy)

Aca says:  "Hey, dingy - citing a letter from Ashcroft does not answer me.

You claimed that 70 of the AGs left over from Bush (the elder) did not resign.  You cite Ashcroft, that would be Bush (the younger)."  (Editor's note:  This reference is to the above editor's note also)

Dingy says:  "you ask for documentmented  proof and when its presented you call it irrelevant - wtg! (and)

"Reno (in March) had to ask for the resignation letters because Bush41's USAs did not have the courtesy to follow traditional formality and submit a resignation letter when Clinton took office.  From March 25, 1993"

Aca says:  "Geez, dingy finally answered me about Clinton's resignations."

Dingy says:  "The article detailing the 70 is behind a pay wall. Luckily for you, Free Republic has an  excerpt:

"When Attorney General Janet Reno first announced the blanket dismissal of about 70 United States Attorneys who are Bush Administration holdovers..."

Aca says:  "You are either too dense to understand, it don't mean nothin' or you are too dense."

Dingy says:  "acaiguana - The only point you made was to squawk about documentation and then ignore it when it was provided."

So much for what happened.  Dingy makes a stupid statement about how 70 Bush41 Administration Lawyers 'forgot' to submit resignation letters.

Aca says - prove that.

Dingy says (finally) Oh, here are some transcripts that don't address your question about Bush41, but talk about Bush43.

Finally he says, and here's an extract from Free Republic that doesn't prove what I am saying either.

In fact, Dingy, you have no proof that Bush41 AGs did not submit letters of Resignation, nor that 70 of them 'forgot' to resign.

In other words, you are representing something here as a fact that does not exist.

So, other people would call you disingeous, but I'll just call you a Liberal Cheap Liar.

ACA

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Quoted from:  'Acaiguana Notes from the Bomb Shelter' (soon to be a movie at theaters near you)

acaiguanaWhy would Reno,  in

acaiguana

Why would Reno,  in March 1993,  ask for resignation letters (see Stephanopoulos Press Briefing)

from 70 Bush41 USAs (see Free Republic excerpt)

if Bush41's USAs had already submiited their letter of resignation as is customary (see Ashcroft letter)?

Maybe they didn't use a num

Maybe they didn't use a number two pencil as required, when they filled out the first resignation forms?

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

Um, speaking of "duh,&

Um, speaking of "duh," please recall the inconvenient fact that Janet Reno was Slick's THIRD choice for the job. It took a while for the first 2 nominations to die from media-discovered illegal-nannies -- probably more than 2 months but I don't recall dates well after this long...
JMR

sarcasmo - I'm not sure what

sarcasmo - I'm not sure what you point is,  but there was an Acting AG, to whom letters of resignation could be addressed, correct?

My points are twofold.1. It

My points are twofold.

1. It probably wasn't Jan. like you claimed above, because Slick had strike one and strike two on "nannygate," which you've tried to ignore but unfortunately I was here. Failed nominations take time to fail.

2. As I've said from day one and as has been repeated in this thread, the hyperpolitical way the legal system was handled -- to the point that Janet couldn't even keep her trusted Dade County Republican friend!!! -- set precedents, and not good ones either, as your side's now-learning the hard way. Does that mean what this administration passes the smell test for me? Nope. But in this case, it stinks on a small scale about like what Slick did stinks on a large scale. Same smell exactly.

Now, I know you'll find this hard to believe, but US Attorneys' cases don't schedule themselves around elections in real life, and the top priorities of US Attorneys tend to be their ongoing cases, instead of submitting the (unrequested at the time) letters of mass-resignation you'd like to imagine were common-practice, even though they apparently weren't -- until Slick did his "clean sweep," that is...
JMR

sarc, dingy has a silly point here and an unmade case.

sarc, dingy has a silly point here and an unmade case.

He claims that the AGs did not submit letters.  He hasn't proven squat.

He claims that it is important.

He hasn't proven squat.

He is making a big deal out of silliness.  More hot air for the baloon.

ACA

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Quoted from:  'Acaiguana Notes from the Bomb Shelter' (soon to be a movie at theaters near you)

Thanks. My memory of that g

Thanks. My memory of that general time is deliberately somewhat dim (and I'm about to go kill even more braincells with beer when I have lunch at Hooters!) but I recall the Clinton-Reno pick particularly-well. You see, I lived in Miami back then, and until Slick made that third "safe" because-she's-childless choice, my Mom actually worked for Ms. Reno.
JMR

sarcasmo -  Nannygate or no

sarcasmo -  Nannygate or no nanygate there was an Acting Attorney general to whom the resignation letters could have been addressed (yikes, even in January!)

Following the inauguration of President Clinton, the Justice Department was in a caretaker mode, with senior career officials running the day-to-day affairs of the Department, and with Bush Administration holdover Stuart M. Gerson performing the function of Acting Attorney General

And its your real life belief system that needs a tune-up:

Incumbents of these discretionary positions customarily resign at the request of the new incoming Administration officials or before a new agency head takes office.

Your link proves MY point,

Your link proves MY point, which is (once-again) that Slick set a hyperpartisan precedent back then. The fact that it's still being followed by the other party should hardly be a surprise....
JMR

sacasmo -  What part of thi

sacasmo -  What part of this don't you understand?  Had Bush41's USAs resigned,  as is customary, before Reno took office,  Reno would not have had to ask for their resignations!

Once again, Slick set the p

Once again, Slick set the precedent for massive, immediate, hyperpolitical resignations. The "custom" proved by your link originated with Slick. In fact, here's how that house organ of the right, the NYT, put it at the time: "While prosecutors are routinely replaced after a change in
Administration, Ms. Reno’s order accelerated what had been expected to
be a leisurely changeover
." And doubtless, some of 'em did submit resignations even though there was nobody to submit them to who'd be likely to act on a resignation -- absent political direction, that is (which seems to have been the bipartisan goal all along here). I stand by all my words on this issue, but now that porn & hypocrites seem to be involved, I'm likely to become just as much of a problem for the Bushfans here as I've apparently been for you. Situation normal for me...
JMR

Then how come they dident res

Then how come they dident resign when Bush the younger came into office?

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

bassndude - by "they&quo

bassndude - by "they", do you mean Clinton's USAs?  If so, "they" did resign when Bush43 (the younger) came into office. See Ashcroft's letter.

WASHINGTON, D.C. - Continuing the practice of new administrations, President Bush and the Department of Justice have begun the transition process for most of the 93 United States Attorneys.

Attorney General Ashcroft said, "We are committed to making this an orderly transition to ensure effective, professional law enforcement that reflects the President 's priorities."

In January of this year, nearly all presidential appointees from the previous administration offered their resignations. Two Justice Department exceptions were the United States Attorneys and United States Marshals.

You're a joke. http://www.tp

You're a joke.
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Reality has a well known liberal bias.

WAKA = SPAMMER BOOT HIS A$$

WAKA = SPAMMER  BOOT HIS A**

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great story.i could not help

great story.

i could not help but think of the comment "don't confuse me with facts".

Ken, you say: "I'd arg

Ken, you say: "I'd argue that giving thousands of dollars over some eight or ten years of campaign contributions speaks to one's political philosophy and is a valid point."

This is true, but I suspect these are law professors, and even though it's a journalist who said: "don’t necessarily care," (emphasis mine) when law professors are in ANY way involved in a media story, we must always carefully parse each word. He of course does not "necessarily care" if they gave $1000s to Democrats, and as you correctly-suspect he probably does-necessarily-care if they'd instead given $1000s to Republicans, but if they'd both for some reason given $1000s to Libertarians, well, that's necessarily-newsworthy every time (and in fact it's likely to be considered far more important than reporting on the actual opinions of the Libertarians). See? If you can parse correctly, it's downright "fair & balanced!" Just like Fox News never-covering Dr. Ron Paul's candidacy -- even once!!!
JMR

Apples and Oranges

Appeles and Oranges - translation

Democrat and Republican

Bye bye, "Gone"zales! http:/

Bye bye, "Gone"zales!
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It's been real

Reality has a well known liberal bias.

Cow poop in every direction.

Cow poop in every direction. This is turning into the a huge disaster for the white house. I would not be surprised to see some of these staffers taking the fifth or spilling their guts over this issue. The wh is damned either way. I'm sure Schumer would love the wh to resist a supoena over Rove, which would bring on Gotterdamerung. It's hilarious.  

You've managed to convi

You've managed to convince yourself, but those of us who have been paying attention aren't worried one bit.

I hope you get over you extreme hatred of Bush someday. Meanwhile, he's still President until Jan 2009! Ha Ha!

wacky wacky

You commie-libs ought to be lining up to kiss Gonzales right on the lips. After all, he let Sandy Pants walk on what should have been a felony charge. William Cold Cash Jefferson is still in congress and has a cush committee slot even though two people have now confessed to bribing the low-life lying bastard. Meanwhile Scooter Libby was given the full-court-press treatment. And there is that little problem with the current Mexican invasion, with future democrat voters swarming over the border in droves.

If you ask me, Gonzales should have been run-off a long, long time ago.

This Republic will not survive the continued neglect of its people.- Neal Boortz.