What in heaven's name has gotten into Sam Harris? The Los Angeles Times regularly lends its op-ed page to the atheist activist. In God's Dupes, Harris took advantage of the opportunity today to make a bizarre and slanderous accusation against American Christians.He began by equating conservative Christians with Jihadist murderers: "Within every faith one can see people arranged along a spectrum of belief. Picture concentric circles of diminishing reasonableness: At the center, one finds the truest of true believers — the Muslim jihadis, for instance, who not only support suicidal terrorism but who are the first to turn themselves into bombs; or the Dominionist Christians, who openly call for homosexuals and blasphemers to be put to death."
I'm no theologian, not a Christian for that matter. But one obvious distinction that Harris ignores is that, whatever Dominionist views may be [and I am certainly not accepting as gospel, so to speak, Harris' depiction of them], no one has been attacked in their name. In contrast, in furtherance of their beliefs Jihadists continue to slaughter people around the globe, as the publication today of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's confession reminds us.
But Harris doesn't stop his slur there. He alleges that a massive Christian conspiracy is currently underway in America in which Dominionist Christians "by the millions, are quietly working to turn our country into a totalitarian theocracy." Unsurprisingly, Harris doesn't bother to offer any proof in support of his accusation.
At one point, Harris refers to true believers as "maniacs." He is living proof that when it comes to falling prey to manias, atheists are far from exempt.
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—Mark Finkelstein is a NewsBusters contributing editor and host of Right Angle. Contact him at mark@gunhill.net.
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So the Godless horde strikes
March 15, 2007 - 09:37 ET by bassndudeSo the Godless horde strikes again? This guy is satan in the flesh, and he knows what he writes is a lie. One day, his knee, to, shall bow...
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Funny how these Atheists fear
March 15, 2007 - 12:19 ET by mattmFunny how these Atheists fear a totalitarian theocracy (even though the most religious generation in history gave us the first true republican/democracy ever), yet they don't seem to fear a totalitarian Atheocracy... perhaps because that's exactly what they want.
The Game: Afoot?
March 15, 2007 - 13:14 ET by heldmywNo, no. I think he's on to something. I know that I, for one, wake up every day and work tirelessly for the coming of a totalitarian theocracy.
Yes, people loving their neighbors, doing unto others, respecting their mothers and fathers, loving, honoring, cherishing their spouses, worshipping as they see fit... you know. The whole "God" and "Morals" and "Bible" - thing.
(We call it the "T.T." for short.)
Bwah-hah-hah!
Mark, for those of us ignorant of Dominionist propaganda.
March 15, 2007 - 09:46 ET by acaiguanaMark, for those of us ignorant of Dominionist propaganda. This article discusses the Left's use of this junk Christianity in terms of The Protocals of the Learned Elders of Zion, which were used by the Nazi's and Stalinists to attack the Jews.
ACA
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Quoted from: 'Acaiguana Notes from the Bomb Shelter' (soon to be a movie at theaters near you)
Bogus by Harris ...
March 15, 2007 - 09:58 ET by Dave PierreThanks for writing on this, Mark. You also saved me the time in posting on this myself!
The biggest lie from Harris in the article is when he writes, "The truth is, there is not a person on Earth who has a good reason to believe that Jesus rose from the dead."
Nothing could be further from the truth. The book The Case for Christ by Lee Strobel is just one source I would recommend that outlines the eyewitness, documentary, other evidences that give excellent reason to believe the Gospel narratives are historically true.
I would also invite Harris to take a look at the Bible itself:
There's a lot more, but Harris' words are simply false.
It is disingenuous to babble
March 15, 2007 - 10:05 ET by KC MulvilleIt is disingenuous to babble on that faith is belief without reason. Believers have plenty of reasons, but atheists discount them. Atheists have every right to dispute these reasons, but they have no right to declare that believers don’t accept “Reason.” By that same logic, anyone who disagrees with you must be “unreasonable.” In other words, agree with me or I’ll claim that you’re insane.
The most glaring evidence of belief in God is the presence of the universe itself. How can we explain the existence of the universe? Atheists can argue that the universe needs no external explanation, and that’s an argument for the philosophers (and this is not the forum for that debate). However, the fact that believers base their belief in such questions is sufficient to refute the simplistic cliché that believers ignore reason.
I respect atheists who have different answers. I can’t respect Harris if he relies on such simplistic clichés.
Besides, I'll be angry if all my fellow Christians have planned The Takeover and no one told me about it ...
I feel sorry for Harris that
March 15, 2007 - 10:20 ET by dvdaughtryI feel sorry for Harris that his opinion is so negative toward Christianity. I also think that this shows how much work the Church has to do. This should not make Christians angry, instead it should encourage them to compassionatly make a difference through relationships and not hell-fire and brimstone.
He needs a Christian friend, not a pastor, preacher, evangelist, or mother.
But I am right with you KC. If we are going to take over, I want to be a part of it!
KC, I agree, I did not get th
March 15, 2007 - 10:30 ET by Subsailor599KC, I agree, I did not get the memo either... if all of my fellow Christians were planning a takeover, how come I was not included?
I'm afraid I might have misle
March 15, 2007 - 10:39 ET by KC MulvilleI'm afraid I might have misled you and dvdaughtry. If there's a Takeover in the works, I wish I was at the meeting to argue against it. Too much work for too little return. And besides, with the whole global warming thing, maybe the current owners are just trying to get rid of a lemon. You never know. Better to wait for the next world. I'm told that one's a lot better investment.
Hmm, come to think of it, I'm
March 15, 2007 - 11:43 ET by PeskyDaneHmm, come to think of it, I'm a Cylon, and I've never seen you at any of the meetings.
Hey, why I am always the last
March 15, 2007 - 12:12 ET by dscottHey, why I am always the last to hear of these things?? I want in, I'll volunteer to perform random acts of kindness like clothing the poor or feeding the hungry or visiting people in prision in our devious undermining of the liberalism. And just to really screw with their minds, have the Amish show forgiveness towards the family of murderers.
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius
Why do these people feel the
March 15, 2007 - 11:02 ET by Chris NormanWhy do these people feel the overwhelming need to write this stuff? Is it just a mindless reaction to those they don't understand or did something traumatic happen to them? What goal do they hope to accomplish by writing such bile? It certainly doesn't make them look good to anyone beyond the small group who already agree with them. I just don't get it.
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
Chris...I have a theory about
March 15, 2007 - 11:11 ET by Clear thinkerChris...
I have a theory about this...
It seems to me that these types of people love the attention, even if it only comes from a small group that agrees with them. It makes them feel important. My question would be to the editors...what were you thinking?
The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.
You're right. However, I'm su
March 15, 2007 - 11:48 ET by Chris NormanYou're right. However, I'm sure any negative reaction to the newspaper will be minimal. I'm sure the locals have pretty much given up trying to influence the Times.
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
why? Indeed there's a good reason
March 15, 2007 - 11:48 ET by tumbler_2007Why do these chumps write such blasphemy ?
Here's the reasons, the Catholic Church teaches:
The World
The Flesh
The Devil
The world, the flesh and the devil cause us to fall.
Sam Harris is hungry for the world's approval. Today we live in a neopagan society; and he curries favor with the decadents in our once Golden State. From there to all the world. Promiscuous Gays; Hollywood producers of crude and dirty movies. --The Left and its elect; militant feminists; purveyors of abortion and promiscuity -- Those who gave us Anna Nichole, Britney Spears, Michael Jackson; role models.
Harris writes for their pleasure and for money. He pimps for the lovers of the flesh and long past chose a life of the flesh, in defiance of God.
The devil exists, he needs people just like Sam Harris; to delude others. To scoff at the idea of heaven and hell. To allow the devil free passage into the hearts and minds of his readers; at the same time telling them "there is no devil because there is no God." But the devil has Sam by the short hairs. The devil owns many once prestigious news outlets and his fishwraps. Those are almost all in the devil's domain today. Most of the entertainment industry is his.
So is our happy-go-lucky World Wide Web; this very Internet and its servers all over the world. They all are inside the devil's domain. We're all his prey by means of the Internet. Unless we have faith in Our Lord Jesus Christ. Watch and pray.
Maranatha, --Come, Lord Jesus
And to my friend, MARK
March 15, 2007 - 11:55 ET by tumbler_2007Dear Mark,
Since I realize you're Jewish, I must express my thanks to you, making it OK to post a Christian message. You do this generously. You make me happy, because though you aren't a member of our flock you're nevertheless a good soul whom God loves very much. I admire your good will and I thank God for men like you. That ain't smoke, Mark Finkelstein. Thanks from old Tumbler, and from all your Christian pals.
Mark is a good name Carp
March 15, 2007 - 12:00 ET by CarpareusMark is a good name
Carp
suck up
March 15, 2007 - 12:03 ET by florida_chadsuck up
i'll teAch your grandmother t
March 15, 2007 - 12:08 ET by Carpareusi'll teAch your grandmother to suck eggs
in a good way of course
Dr. Carpareus ASS.SK.
Carp - my reply was for tumbl
March 15, 2007 - 12:12 ET by florida_chadCarp - my reply was for tumbler. Not intended for you. I am not sure why it attached to your thread. Anyway, it was a joke.
BTW - why aould anyone suck eggs? Eat them, throw them, sure, but suck them?
chad daddy from boca
March 15, 2007 - 12:20 ET by tumbler_2007I duly noticed your nice remark. Since it isn't nearly the truth, it meant very little to me. I spoke to our friend quite sincerely. Just as I've done speaking to you. If the shoe fits, you must wear it, Baby.
chad daddy from boca
March 15, 2007 - 12:22 ET by tumbler_2007I duly noticed your nice remark. Since it isn't nearly the truth, it meant very little to me. I spoke to our friend quite sincerely. Just as I've done speaking to you. If the shoe fits, you must wear it, Baby.
Thanks for your kind words;
March 15, 2007 - 13:04 ET by Mark FinkelsteinThanks for your kind words; they are much appreciated.
Lies from the source
March 15, 2007 - 11:41 ET by nkviking75This tripe is so far from reality that it calls to mind John 8:44 (NIV)
You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
If they want to object to stuff that's really being said and done, that's their right. When they inflate and distort it to make it sound scarier, they need to be called on it.
Harris says: "Books li
March 15, 2007 - 12:46 ET by GothampcHarris says: "Books like the Bible and the Koran get almost every significant fact about us and our world wrong." Obviously he's never read the Bible nor has anyone bothered to correct him.
The Bible said that the life of a human being was in his blood long before science recognized that fact.
The Bible said that the Earth was round while people were still thinking it was flat.
Moses told the Hebrews in the wilderness to elect representatives for themselves, thereby establishing that this group of people would have a say in the way they were goverened and people had the ability to govern on the local level.
There are many other things that the Bible has said about science and humanity long before scientists gave their stamp of approval. Perhaps Harris should read the Book before he makes his sweeping generalizations.
First, be nice to me this is
March 15, 2007 - 14:35 ET by increditonyFirst, be nice to me this is my first post here. Second, don't these people realize where the Bill of Rights came from? These 10 ammendments were the demands of the Virginia Baptist's before they would vote to ratify the constitution. Freedom of speech and religion and owning property were the ideas of the rank and file religious people of the day. So, if the Bible has no impact on our daily lives should we give these back?
Hello TROLL!! haha just kid
March 15, 2007 - 14:42 ET by MightyMouthHello TROLL!!
haha just kidding :-) Welcome.
You make a good point. And I think it also points out that there has always been a diversity of opinion going all the way back to the founders who were pretty much split on how to set up this country. It's a wonder it ever actually happened!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
I do have a fantasy about
March 15, 2007 - 17:01 ET by kathleenirishI do have a fantasy about riding horses across the Mongol plain, shooting arrows at the infidels..oh, huh? yeah, this idea of the Left about the fear of a Christian Horde, PLEASE! Let's try to live in the reality of our modern American society...I think if you ask most Christians, they are trying to hold their own 'fort' against the onslaught of immoral media and the daily attacks by the culture against their families. It feels like we are under constant threat and assault by the likes of this jerk and the Left, NOT the other way around! Their hate knows no bounds, folks. It's only going to get worse, although it's hard to imagine how.
And, P.S., the group that's bent on establishing a theocracy is the fanatical one that faces Mecca five times a day, dumb ass. But, we know, they are really you're buddies! Right?
"He who has a thousand friends has not a friend to spare, and he who has one enemy will meet him everywhere" -Ali ibn-Abi-Talib, 4th Islamic Caliph