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Open Thread By NB Staff (Bio \| Archive) March 12, 2007 - 13:54 ET For general discussion and comment... Read comments <a href="http://harvest.AdGardener.com/noscript.aspx?s=16&c=122c344b-04b3-4b68-bb30-20e7a66bc14c" target="_blank"><img src="http://harvest.AdGardener.com/noscript.aspx?s=16&w=468&h=60&c=122c344b-04b3-4b68-bb30-20e7a66bc14c" width="468" height="60" border="0" /></a> Related Stories Weekend Sports Open Thread Open Thread Open Thread Open Thread McCain-Palin on H&C Open Thread Most Emailed Stories IBD: Market Dive Due to Impending 'First Socialist President,' Taxes, Protectionism Will MSM Report on Louis Farrakhan Declaration of Obama as the Messiah? Maxine Waters Caught Lying About Fannie Mae Ties on 'Real Time' Will MSM Report on Obama Membership in Socialist New Party? Mainstream Media Ignore Obama’s Radical Abortion Record Related Topics Open Thread Comments Policy All comments are owned by whoever posted them and are subject to our terms of use. They should not be assumed to represent the views of NewsBusters. Viewing options Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes. I was just noticing a few m March 12, 2007 - 14:02 ET by lnthomp I was just noticing a few minutes ago that the NewsBusters host computer clocks apparently didn't change themselves to match Daylight Savings Time, but I see that just before I started to write this that they are now up-to-date! Lee T. U.S. Navy (ret.) / Hillsboro, Oregon I have enough money to last me the rest of my life. Unless I buy something. Login or register to post comments Email this page Iguana update. March 12, 2007 - 14:06 ET by acaiguana Iguana update. No news. Boyz on Spring Break. One has not lived until you see all the girl Iguanas dancing topless on the beach 'disco' boards swilling booze. 'nough said. ACA ... Quoted from: 'Acaiguana Notes from the Bomb Shelter' (soon to be a movie at theaters near you) Login or register to post comments Email this page Did anyone see Andy Rooney on March 12, 2007 - 14:18 ET by inquiringmind Did anyone see Andy Rooney on 60 minutes last night? His looking down his nose at the military has gotten so bad that I'm embarrased for him every time he opens his mouth. Login or register to post comments Email this page Then my time is about up.Ther March 12, 2007 - 19:04 ET by FastEd Then my time is about up. There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V Login or register to post comments Email this page I generally don't engage in s March 12, 2007 - 14:19 ET by Prester John I generally don't engage in schadenfreud (sp?), but in this case I will make an exception: Peace activists camp outside Pelosi's San Francisco home SAN FRANCISCO Peace activists continue to camp outside the San Francisco home of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. They've been there since yesterday, demanding that Pelosi take a tougher stance against the war in Iraq. After crossing the Golden Gate Bridge yesterday, the group marched through the Presidio and arrived at Pelosi's Pacific Heights home around four o'clock in the afternoon. http://www.kesq.com/Global/story.asp?S=6212155 Login or register to post comments Email this page John, the news story said o March 12, 2007 - 16:09 ET by motherbelt John, the news story said one of the protesters told the reporter that Ms. Pelosi had better start representing San Franciscans. And he was holding a plate with bread and cheese, and a glass of wine. The wine & cheese protest LOL!! Login or register to post comments Email this page Didn't they get the memo? S March 12, 2007 - 16:10 ET by dahliatravers Didn't they get the memo? She's a Democrat - one of the "good guys". Login or register to post comments Email this page Chuck Hagel March 12, 2007 - 14:25 ET by JJV Heard ABC's Gil Gross filling in for Paul Harvey today, and had to laugh when he referred to "conservative Republican, Chuck Hagel..." Login or register to post comments Email this page You know, that's the sort of March 12, 2007 - 14:43 ET by Chris Norman You know, that's the sort of liberal distortion that happens a thousand times a day in the media. I think it's these little things, done repeatedly, that do some of the worst damage to the casual consumer's political perceptions... The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on. - Arabian Proverb Login or register to post comments Email this page First, I'm no fan of Chuck March 12, 2007 - 14:51 ET by John in CA First, I'm no fan of Chuck Hagel. But, other than his views on the war and GWOT, he has a very conservative voting record. However, his opposition to the war is enough to turn me away from him. I'm also not getting good vibes concerning his views on America's role in the world and the way the world's shifting politics needs to be addressed by the United States. A global political readjustment is also in play today…and will respond to America’s leadership. What is at stake for the future of America is larger than just American politics. Politics is simply the mechanism democracies use to affect responsible change. The world is not static, it is dynamic. Sounds too much like appeasement and global tests for my liking. Give a Democrat Party free America a chance! Login or register to post comments Email this page Hagel may have had a conserva March 12, 2007 - 15:25 ET by Chris Norman Hagel may have had a conservative voting record in the past (I never followed him), but his loudly hostile anti-Bush stance goes way beyond what is necessary, to be merely following his beliefs or conscience, regarding the war in Iraq. In fact, I believe I saw him not too long ago either advocating or announcing opposition to some position on a non-military issue that showed me that he has "grown" in Washington and is no longer a conservative. I wonder what the Republicans in Nebraska think of his "growth"... The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on. - Arabian Proverb Login or register to post comments Email this page American Conservative Union March 12, 2007 - 16:04 ET by John in CA American Conservative Union (ACU) Rating: HAGEL // 2006 - 75 // 2005 - 96 // Lifetime - 85 I read somewhere in the last week that Hagel's approval rating in Nebraska is higher with democratics than with Republicans. Give a Democrat Party free America a chance! Login or register to post comments Email this page Ah, so he is "growing&qu March 12, 2007 - 16:09 ET by Chris Norman Ah, so he is "growing". Thanks. The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on. - Arabian Proverb Login or register to post comments Email this page Yes, he has "grown&quo March 12, 2007 - 16:25 ET by motherbelt Yes, he has "grown" so much, he has grown into that MSM-honored species known as an "even Republican." Login or register to post comments Email this page Bob Woodruff's magical msm tour March 12, 2007 - 14:28 ET by blogonator Has anyone been following the coverage of Bob Woodruff and his book promotion? Just as I feared a year ago after his accident, he is more of a friend to al queda now than before when he was a reporter. I suggested then that the US was better off if he were killed and I was jumped on by people who 'prayed for his recovery' and 'felt for his family'. Boo hoo. Now that he's healed, he's an even bigger mouthpiece for the enemy msm. Maybe we should release the gitmo detainees next - I'm sure they'll just return to their families and not take up arms against us. Yeah, sure. Login or register to post comments Email this page We seem to be releasing a l March 12, 2007 - 14:42 ET by balboa We seem to be releasing a lot of them anyway. :-) Login or register to post comments Email this page Franken March 12, 2007 - 14:53 ET by Norto Believer It is one thing to call for execution as a result of a trial for treason, but to say that Bush's defeat is a matter of "life and death" (Soros in 2004), that is dangerous and should be taken seriously. I called the FBI at the time, but I am sure nothing was done. If you and I had said it and been turned in, they would have stormed our doors. Login or register to post comments Email this page from DRUDGE: Federal Defici March 12, 2007 - 14:57 ET by John in CA from DRUDGE: Federal Deficit for First Five Months of Fiscal Year Down Sharply Damn those tax cuts for the rich... Give a Democrat Party free America a chance! Login or register to post comments Email this page Fred Thompson March 12, 2007 - 15:06 ET by Norto Believer I am more than a little excited re: FT's sticking his toes in the 2008 waters. I heard him on judges(Roe/Sodomy), I can hear the air sucking out of the RINOs out there and well they should be nervous. Get that base enervated and we could back in to the WH. Go Fred jump in with both feet and hold nothing back. Immigration, all the troops necessary, cut taxes, what ever it takes! Login or register to post comments Email this page I watched Aaron Russo's doc March 12, 2007 - 15:15 ET by Dyne I watched Aaron Russo's documents, America: Freedom to Fascism today and I was just blown away at how far our once great country has already degenerated into a socialist hell-hole. I felt it was neither left-wing nor right-wing, had a very honest and open message, and had the tone of, "This is what you need to hear." The biggest shocker to me is, if what President Bush said regarding our Constitution as being "just a goddamned piece of paper!" and his actions in setting up the path towards a North American Union behind Congress's (and our) backs are true, then he will have lost the little respect I had left for him. Most of it died during his sidestepping of the illegal alien and arrest of the border patrol agents issues. Regardless of that, I still feel he was still a better choice than John Kerry. Going back to the big picture of the film, I felt this way even before today and watching the documentary only intensified my feelings: It's high time that We, the People, take back our country by holding all government and political leaders accountable for their crimes, reorganizing the government back into its proper place as our servant, eliminating the Federal Reserve, abiding by the Supreme Law of the Land- the Constitution- and taking back our sovereignty as a world power by kicking the illegal immigrants, terrorists, and United Nations out. For those who have seen the movie or at least have feelings regarding these issues, please comment. Only if we're united can we take back our country and proudly salute our flag as our national anthem honors those who gave their lives to protect our freedom once our mission is accomplished. I am not a Democrat. I am not a Republican. I am an American. “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” - John Adams Login or register to post comments Email this page Dyne,I watched this film also March 12, 2007 - 19:29 ET by RayRio Dyne, I watched this film also. Everything you statement above is what I thought. Way to much govt, taxes, and no regard for the Constitution since Woody Wilson become Prez and started his own vision of a one world government. RR Login or register to post comments Email this page I'm heartened, and a bit su March 13, 2007 - 02:33 ET by sarcasmo I'm heartened, and a bit surprised, that such a Libertarian (and yes, with Aaron Russo I used the large "L" deliberately) film has gone over so well. When I was plugging the preview here, some folks seemed to really-hate the ideas behind the film. What I liked about the film is probably what the news media hated-most -- it tells the truth about the Federal Reserve and what's been done to America's money, despite the plain words of the Constitution and despite how-well America did in the world back when her money was actually honest. JMR Login or register to post comments Email this page term limits March 12, 2007 - 15:31 ET by Dontab Term limits, their is no other way. Gorbal warming is a sickness, not a science. Login or register to post comments Email this page A suggestion for NB managemen March 12, 2007 - 15:41 ET by Jack Bauer A suggestion for NB management.. Guys, please I'm begging you. Get Charles @ Little Green Footballs to advise you on the actual running of the website. If NB gets any slower, it's gonna be the web equivalent of Billy Bob Thornton in Slingblade. The answer is socialism. But only if the question is: "What's the fastest way to impoverish, enslave and destroy people?" Login or register to post comments Email this page The speeds (or lack of) send March 12, 2007 - 15:44 ET by florida_chad The speeds (or lack of) send me away at times. Its just too frustrating. Login or register to post comments Email this page Today is just RIDICULOUS. March 12, 2007 - 15:54 ET by Jack Bauer Today is just RIDICULOUS. And it's gotten progressively worse over the past few months. I'm with you chad, when it's taking 10 MINUTES to make a post, well sorry, but I've got better things to do. Like work! The answer is socialism. But only if the question is: "What's the fastest way to impoverish, enslave and destroy people?" Login or register to post comments Email this page Fourth time I have tried to p March 12, 2007 - 16:32 ET by bigtimer Fourth time I have tried to post, what is wrong with this site today, besides being super slow? I thought we made the change over on Friday? I had a longer post to others on a couple of subjects including this one...anyone know? Anyone?! Login or register to post comments Email this page It's definitely a test of one March 12, 2007 - 16:56 ET by Chris Norman It's definitely a test of one's patience and fortitude. I just minimize and go on to something else. I get a lot of work done while waiting :). The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on. - Arabian Proverb Login or register to post comments Email this page Chris,Yeah, but I got my work March 12, 2007 - 17:00 ET by bigtimer Chris, Yeah, but I got my work done and I have a couple of hours too really enjoy this site in the afternoons without interruptions, sometimes I stay late on this, but heck, when you get all revved up to get everything done, and be on NB's after listening to politics while working from home, which is what I do...well heck! Dang it all! LOL! Login or register to post comments Email this page Delayed gratification is swee March 12, 2007 - 17:09 ET by Chris Norman Delayed gratification is sweeter, as long as you don't pound your keyboard and mouse to smithereens trying to make the site work faster. :) The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on. - Arabian Proverb Login or register to post comments Email this page "Instant gratification m March 12, 2007 - 21:42 ET by MikeB "Instant gratification my [backside]. I want mine yeterday!" "Patience. Yeah, yeah, yeah! How long will that take?" "A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan Login or register to post comments Email this page I'm always wondering if I'm March 12, 2007 - 15:51 ET by John in CA I'm always wondering if I'm the only one who runs into the slow page loading - especially when posting a comment. Apparently I'm not. Give a Democrat Party free America a chance! Login or register to post comments Email this page Best Quote March 12, 2007 - 16:08 ET by PawpawN Supposedly quote from John Adams: In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress. John Adams Login or register to post comments Email this page That link didn't work, Paw. March 12, 2007 - 16:22 ET by Dyne That link didn't work, Paw. Show me the law, and only then will I pay income taxes. “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” - John Adams Login or register to post comments Email this page Don't worry, it isn't an ac March 12, 2007 - 17:14 ET by blogonator Don't worry, it isn't an actual Adams quote. It's funny and true, but Adams never said it. It's one of those quotes, like that Lincoln quote about treason, that have been circling around the internet and misattributed. Login or register to post comments Email this page Actually, they gave John Adam March 12, 2007 - 17:29 ET by Chris Norman The John Adams character spoke that line (or something very close) in the musical made into a movie, 1776, back in the early 1970's - that may be where it started. The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on. - Arabian Proverb Login or register to post comments Email this page Link March 12, 2007 - 23:00 ET by PawpawN Try this one: http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/John_Adams/ Login or register to post comments Email this page Did Roger miss the Daylight March 12, 2007 - 16:49 ET by Dyne Did Roger miss the Daylight Savings Time switch and oversleep? Where's the Shrub Report for today? Never seen it this late before. =( Show me the law, and only then will I pay income taxes. “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” - John Adams Login or register to post comments Email this page Dyne...Think he's testing us March 12, 2007 - 17:03 ET by bigtimer Dyne... Think he's testing us out to see if we miss him...lol! Seriously, I looked for it too when I came on because I had a couple of links I wanted to put up and it depends on what he has...but I changed my mind anyway because of the problems with the site today... Maybe he is just plain giving it a rest or had a long week-end! Hope he's okay... Login or register to post comments Email this page I am flattered you guys misse March 12, 2007 - 19:05 ET by Roger the Shrubber I am flattered you guys missed me. Thanks for the kind words. Springtime means shrub time! A shrubber's work is never done :p Login or register to post comments Email this page Rog...You're okay!Springtime? March 12, 2007 - 19:09 ET by bigtimer Rog... You're okay! Springtime? You've got Springtime?! Lucky guy! Glad you're okay, the site was bad earlier anyway... sooooo carry on with your ShrubReport, we all check for it! Login or register to post comments Email this page Hmmm, I paid my subscription March 12, 2007 - 17:04 ET by Dan The Man 2 Hmmm, I paid my subscription and it plopped on my doorstep this morning 6 am sharp. LOOL, You are learning pateinece grasshopper. Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark. -- save my gun, shoot a liberal. Login or register to post comments Email this page Love to trade some real Found March 12, 2007 - 21:15 ET by MobiusStrip Love to trade some real Founder's quotes with you guys. Then we can really go at it! (I'll start with Federalist Papers, then backtrack to some early Deist philosophy). Who's in for later this week? Login or register to post comments Email this page Click here. March 12, 2007 - 22:23 ET by Roger the Shrubber Click here. Login or register to post comments Email this page Rog,Well that said it all!LOL March 12, 2007 - 22:27 ET by bigtimer Rog, Well that said it all! LOL! Login or register to post comments Email this page Chuck Hagel's brother Tom is March 12, 2007 - 17:20 ET by bigtimer Chuck Hagel's brother Tom is whining with Howdy Doody (Gregory) (who is talking the place of Matthews today) about the Viet Nam war... sticking up for his brothers big Announcement before it was a Non-Announcement today.. You can tell they are related...two pea's in a pod. Tom's a defeatist democrat. Waaaaahahahaaa...boooo-hoooo-hooo He ought to take a lesson from Sam Johnson. Chuck Hagel may as well bend over and kiss his arse good-by...he is toast now. Go Thompson/Hunter! Login or register to post comments Email this page In a Chicago Tribune article March 12, 2007 - 18:12 ET by BD In a Chicago Tribune article dated March 11, 2007 on the front page entitled "Where the US military is the Family Business" subtitled *"Young Samoans have few choices but to serve despite risks in Iraq"* the author Kirsten Scharnberg largely disregards any notion that the young Samoans who sign on for the miltiary do so out of any form of patriotism. As anyone who has had more than a few meals in a messhall can tell you, there are two demographics that are overrepresented in todays army and those are Samoans and military brats/children of veterans. Both enlist in like numbers in comparison to say - children of liberal politicians. In neither case, Samoans/Brats have I noticed a lack of patriotism, so why would a journo decide to focus on a perceived lack of opportunity in one community, but not the other? Simple, anything to Tar the military and label us the "dregs of the earth". Login or register to post comments Email this page Can anyone explain how " March 12, 2007 - 19:52 ET by MobiusStrip Can anyone explain how "Gaggle" is humorous? It baffles me entirely. Political cartooons should offer at the least satire. Having been here for about a season, I have yet to find any humor in Gaggle. There's plenty of Yeah- I agree-with-that and Isn't-it-obvious-though-only-us-in-the-know-will-know stuff, but really it's just an agreemnet of terms made beforehand. What is really funny about that strip? It's got no humor at all: the kinds of jokes you would never want to be remembered for telling in public, and given by only those whose execution of bad attempts at humor are equally lame. Really- what makes Gaggle funny? Login or register to post comments Email this page Ahhh...MS and mm show up at a March 12, 2007 - 19:59 ET by bigtimer Ahhh... MS and mm show up at around the same time to dance their jig.... Wonderful...wonderful. Let's dance...shall we? LOL! Wanna bet there is more to come? Shift Change! Login or register to post comments Email this page Open thread allows discussion. March 12, 2007 - 20:04 ET by MobiusStrip I appreciate your fortitude in allowing my continued presence here, as I'm sure it's bile to your gullet. But I did ask questions of a serious nature, despite the fact they were questions about humor. Snide and dismissive non-answers don't count- anyone else got some meat on their bones? Login or register to post comments Email this page Mobius...Evidently you do NOT March 12, 2007 - 20:13 ET by Clear thinker Mobius... Evidently you do NOT have a sense of humor. I'm betting you didn't like the 1/2 Hour News Hour either. The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA. Login or register to post comments Email this page Ct...That show will get bette March 12, 2007 - 20:20 ET by bigtimer Ct... That show will get better now that it has picked up 13 episodes and moolah! I get a kick out of it. My favorite quip was 'We're the ACLU and we care or we did it or some such'...while the guy shows his card...I laughed until I cried! I'm liking the Red-Eye some too, they are improving the longer they are on, it takes awhile. I didn't like Glenn Beck at first but kept checking in anyway, and glad I did, I may not agree with every little thing, but I really enjoy his show! He has found his footing now in my view. Login or register to post comments Email this page bt... I saw it for the first March 12, 2007 - 20:34 ET by Clear thinker bt... I saw it for the first time last night with my wife and we both loved it. With money and better writers it should become a solid hit. I too loved the ACLU bits. How long until the ACLU threatens a lawsuit, any wagers? The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA. Login or register to post comments Email this page Don't watch TV March 12, 2007 - 20:38 ET by MobiusStrip I don't watch TV, except to monitor all the silliness out there. Certainly don't spend a lot a lot of time on it- the internet is far better for watching discerning views. BBC is especially good for that, as well as about a dozen other sites that offer alternate perspectives. If you wish to spend hours on TV, have at at! I'm too busy... maybe you could forward that stuff about the dead bimbo that Fox was so hot on for a while. Login or register to post comments Email this page Mob,....maybe you could forwa March 12, 2007 - 20:43 ET by bigtimer Mob, ....maybe you could forward that stuff about the dead bimbo that Fox was so hot on for a while. Just Fox? Oh Puhleeeeze! Login or register to post comments Email this page Not just Fox at all, but th March 13, 2007 - 08:03 ET by sarcasmo Not just Fox at all, but the problem for me has been that Fox News went-along with the "dead-bimbos & push-RINOs!" agenda just like the rest of the "mainstream" media has, despite the fact that a variety of Republicans like Paul, Tancredo, et al are running & deserve at least slight TV-coverage. It didn't ever happen, even from "fair and balanced" Fox, and that to me suggests a concerted news media agenda focused on having a certain effect on -- instead of simply reporting-on -- Republican primaries. Despite the obviousity of this problem, I sincerely doubt we'll ever see it explored on "Fox News Watch" or its CNN-equivalent... JMR Login or register to post comments Email this page Um MbiusStrip...thinking...'dead bimbo'? Oh Ms. Bill Clinton? March 13, 2007 - 07:52 ET by acaiguana Um MbiusStrip...thinking...'dead bimbo'? Oh Ms. Bill Clinton? That was a poser. ACA ... Quoted from: 'Acaiguana Notes from the Bomb Shelter' (soon to be a movie at theaters near you) Login or register to post comments Email this page Seperating the foo from the bar March 12, 2007 - 20:15 ET by Free Stinker I appreciate your fortitude in allowing my continued presence here We don't need any fortitude. At least not for anyone classed as "Harmless" ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "George W. Bush simply reminds leftists everyday what they will never be. And they hate him for it." --Tammy Bruce Login or register to post comments Email this page You flatter yourself Mobi March 12, 2007 - 20:28 ET by RJ Two things, Mobi: 1) You flatter yourself if you really think your presence creates enough disturbance to cause "bile in the gullet." 2) Funny for you to whine about "snide" even as you post the above sentence. Login or register to post comments Email this page Few political cartoons are regularly "funny" March 12, 2007 - 20:08 ET by RJ What daily political cartoons are regularly "funny"? Very few, I think. Their purpose is more to poke a stick at some political or media thing or person. In that way, Gaggle makes it's points, but it isn't any more or less funny than the usual stuff you find out there. In fact, I find myself usually groaning and rarely smiling at my local newspaper's political cartoon. That would be because it's liberal...which is probaly your problem with Gaggle. It follows that cartoons are personal, not general. For me, I make it a point to view Day-by-day and Mallard Fillmore every day. Login or register to post comments Email this page Political cartoons are design March 12, 2007 - 20:28 ET by MobiusStrip Political cartoons are designed to raise questions from the cortoonists point of view, given the considered topical issue. A good cartoonist evokes thought, debate, and sometimes a historical footnote. Walt Kelly managed this with Pogo. PCs that make a one-sided enunciation of a political stance without equally offering some device of humor- cynicism, contraposition, sarcasm, absurdism, etc. cannot be simply funny- and you can't get to the Ahhh! moment. They spark no debate, imagination or alternate perspective. Nor do they every rise to the possibility of historical value. In short, if a political cartoon does not offer it's value in content, context and presentation- it's crap. Gaggle is crap. "we have met the enemy- and he is us". Pogo, Walt Kelly Login or register to post comments Email this page long-winded Mobi March 12, 2007 - 20:32 ET by RJ Well that was a long-winded way to say you agree with me....even as you prove me right with your comment about Gaggle. Login or register to post comments Email this page RJ- there are few good PCs ou March 12, 2007 - 21:05 ET by MobiusStrip RJ- there are few good PCs out there now, and I agree with you on that. Oliphant is powerful; Mallard Fillmore I find lecturely, small-jokish and never sublime. Gaggle, frankly, is a third rate cartoon with horrible graphics, no punchline and featuring immediately small-minded issues. It just sucks. Of course, you know my stripes. But I have yet to have anyone here beyond you engage in conversation about this topic, and don't expect to. It's sad in that there are so many forums available now, and NB seems to have unilaterally capitulated to it's own safe voices. Including it's cartoons. Where is the tradition of debate? Login or register to post comments Email this page Two things, Mobi March 12, 2007 - 23:13 ET by RJ Mobi, two things: 1) Could you possibly find a less important subject to agonize over? 2) As I said, your extreme negative views on Gaggle probably come largely from the fact that you're a leftist and Gaggle presents scripts from the right side. My large local paper, the Hartford Courant has a PC guy, Bob Englehart who keeps winning awards. Personaly I think he sucks...big time. Get it? Login or register to post comments Email this page Doing what they do best March 12, 2007 - 20:00 ET by morganie http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070312/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_iraq WASHINGTON - Top House Democrats retreated Monday from an attempt to limit President Bush's authority for taking military action against Iran... Can I help it if this made me chuckle? Login or register to post comments Email this page Fred Thompson made #5 on Ya March 12, 2007 - 20:25 ET by Dee Bunk Fred Thompson made #5 on Yahoo top searches today. Very interesting. Login or register to post comments Email this page Dee,Alright!!!Yahoo!...and al March 12, 2007 - 20:36 ET by bigtimer Dee, Alright!!! Yahoo! ...and all that good stuff! Login or register to post comments Email this page Thompson-Rice 2008 March 12, 2007 - 20:39 ET by Free Stinker Thompson-Rice 2008 Login or register to post comments Email this page Hey Free - You're alive! I March 12, 2007 - 20:42 ET by Dee Bunk Hey Free - You're alive! I like that ticket. Login or register to post comments Email this page Thompson/Hunter!LOL!I'd vote March 12, 2007 - 20:47 ET by bigtimer Thompson/Hunter! LOL! I'd vote for the Condi one too, but I'd rather have Hunter just because I know how he votes and his speeches on the House floor and how he feels about the judges, abortion, borders, the war (his son is or has served in Iraq) ect...been listening to him for years, and Ca. is a big state with lot's of electoral votes....might eek out some...just a thought! ....and the environment and GWing...and drilling in our own country! Login or register to post comments Email this page BT - I'm not familiar with Hu March 12, 2007 - 20:52 ET by Dee Bunk BT - I'm not familiar with Hunter, but I trust your judgement. Login or register to post comments Email this page "The reports of my death March 12, 2007 - 20:51 ET by Free Stinker "The reports of my death have been greatly exagerated." --Samuel Clemens Login or register to post comments Email this page Just wanted to let the mathem March 12, 2007 - 21:32 ET by MikeB Just wanted to let the mathematically inclined around here to know that Wednesday is Pi Day. That's another reason (or excuse, whichever the case may be) for your little reptilian buddies to party hearty, Aca. "A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan Login or register to post comments Email this page Well in honor of Pi, day can March 12, 2007 - 21:44 ET by mandrake Well in honor of Pi, day can anyone construct a fraction using only the digits 1 to 5, that gives the value of Pi correct to 5 decimal places? The first correct answer wins a piece of pie :) Login or register to post comments Email this page You can't. The fifth decima March 12, 2007 - 21:52 ET by dahliatravers You can't. The fifth decimal place is nine. Login or register to post comments Email this page Dahlia, I believe the magicia March 12, 2007 - 21:54 ET by MikeB Dahlia, I believe the magician was wanting a number in fractional form, such as 22/7, ot approximate pi. "A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan Login or register to post comments Email this page I think you need to re-read March 12, 2007 - 21:55 ET by lnthomp I think you need to re-read what the challenge says Lee T. U.S. Navy (ret.) / Hillsboro, Oregon I have enough money to last me the rest of my life. Unless I buy something. Login or register to post comments Email this page Read again.. I said construct March 12, 2007 - 21:55 ET by mandrake Read again.. I said construct a FRACTION that gives the value. Login or register to post comments Email this page Whoops. Thank you, all. March 12, 2007 - 22:15 ET by dahliatravers Whoops. Thank you, all. Login or register to post comments Email this page alright, I give March 12, 2007 - 22:23 ET by MobiusStrip I can't figure it out and you can tell I'm fascinated by the infinite. Care to share? Login or register to post comments Email this page Ok, but dont tell anyone else March 12, 2007 - 22:28 ET by mandrake Ok, but dont tell anyone else. It's 355/113. Which is really quite interesting when you consider it's like 113/355 but upside down...ok I'll go away now. Login or register to post comments Email this page thanks mandrake - that is s March 13, 2007 - 12:23 ET by Dee Bunk thanks mandrake - that is so cool. I'm facinated by Pi. There is a great extremely low budget Sci -fi movie called Pi about how solving it could find the answer to life and a cool book called Life of Pi about believing in things bigger than yourself. Science/Math can't answer everything but it's so fun when people try! Login or register to post comments Email this page 22/7 is the nearest convenien March 12, 2007 - 22:31 ET by NL207 22/7 is the nearest convenient rational number. Pi is irrational and cannot be represented by the ratio of any two integers. It is also a transcendental number, meaning it is not algebraic either. 3 + 1/(2+5) does the trick, does it not? Login or register to post comments Email this page NL207 Too bad we can't assu March 12, 2007 - 22:55 ET by hydrodynDM NL207 Too bad we can't assume Pi = 1 like particle guys do with h-bar and c. Would make life easier. Login or register to post comments Email this page Or approximate sin(theta) as March 12, 2007 - 22:59 ET by NL207 Or approximate sin(theta) as theta for small values of theta! Login or register to post comments Email this page All right you two!English ple March 12, 2007 - 23:02 ET by Blonde All right you two! English please. Login or register to post comments Email this page Pthhhhhhhh! March 12, 2007 - 23:04 ET by NL207 Pthhhhhhhh! Important scientific jargon. It means "soitanly!". Login or register to post comments Email this page Blonde, You know I only com March 12, 2007 - 23:12 ET by hydrodynDM Blonde, You know I only come out of the woodwork when it turns to geeky stuff like this. Dog will hunt. Login or register to post comments Email this page NL207 Wait now - that's a l March 12, 2007 - 23:09 ET by hydrodynDM NL207 Wait now - that's a legit approximation. You can't solve the pendulum problem analytically otherwise. But that aside ... Not sure if you got my reference - and if so, my apologies for the following explanation - but particle physics guys take h-bar and c to be equal to "1" in their calculations and at the end, when they actually have to come up with real values for things like half lives or scattering cross sections, they put them back in. It would be nice if you could do that with those annoying Pi's. Login or register to post comments Email this page Yes, I recall what the partic March 12, 2007 - 23:27 ET by NL207 Yes, I recall what the particle guys do. I haven't studied that material in close to 30 years now. They aren't really approximating h-bar and c as one. They are using it a a place holder, a symbol replacement. Recall also the sin approximation is a trap, since it is a valid approximation only for very small angles. Login or register to post comments Email this page NL207 Well, I never said ap March 12, 2007 - 23:38 ET by hydrodynDM NL207 Well, I never said approximate - I said assume - it was kinda based on a joke someone made in a class I was in long ago about how it would be nice if we could just assume Pi=1. I'm being obscure (or obtuse). Actually, the sin(theta) = theta approximation isn't that bad. I did a lab last semester where I had the students test the theoretical value of the period of a pendulum (based on above approximation) out to theta = 90 degrees and the predicted value wasn't really all that off from the actual value - maybe 10% at theta = 90 (1.6 rads). Login or register to post comments Email this page Okay you two....have fun.I'm March 12, 2007 - 23:43 ET by Blonde Okay you two....have fun. I'm out. Login or register to post comments Email this page Sorry Blonde, Didn't mean t March 12, 2007 - 23:46 ET by hydrodynDM Sorry Blonde, Didn't mean to exclude you by talking shop. Have a good night. Login or register to post comments Email this page hdM,Don't be silly. It's fu March 12, 2007 - 23:53 ET by Blonde hdM, Don't be silly. It's fun to read...not that I have a clue what you two are going on about. Now I am well and truly out. Night. Login or register to post comments Email this page If I am not mistaken, some st March 13, 2007 - 00:01 ET by MikeB If I am not mistaken, some state or city passed a law that Pi was equal to 3. Whoever did it, must have gone on to Congress to attempt to pass laws against the laws of supply and demand, etc. Yup, I was mistaken. Just went over to Snopes. It was an April Fool's joke circulated on the internet that Alabama had decided to legislate the value of Pi to be 3. Considering the stupidity of some folks, I wouldn't put it past them, though. If it ever is done, it will es because some kid didn't "get it" in math class, and it just ruined the kid's self-esteem. "A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan Login or register to post comments Email this page MikeB, That story popped in March 13, 2007 - 00:10 ET by hydrodynDM MikeB, That story popped into