Liberal media outlets aren't usually sympathetic to the story of people growing upset at the changing shape of their neighborhoods, often at the arrival of new Hispanic or Asian immigrants. But AP reporter Lisa Leff reports sensitively from San Francisco that the distraught natives who dislike the invaders are gay men are upset at the arrival of -- gasp -- people with baby strollers:
SAN FRANCISCO -- Even on a weekday in winter, the Castro district vibrates with energy, most of it male. Men holding hands, walking dogs and lounging at cafes have long been the main attraction in a neighborhood known as a gay mecca the world over.
Yet where visitors see a living monument to gay pride, longtime community leader Brian Basinger sees a cultural enclave at risk of becoming a faded museum piece - or worse, a place where men who love men may one day feel like they don't belong.
"When I see a stroller now, I see it as someone who evicted a person with AIDS, right or wrong," said Basinger, president of the Harvey Milk Lesbian Gay Bisexual and Transexual Democratic Club.
This is an interesting sound for people who used terms like "born-again bigots" to describe those who disagree with their "sexual orientation." But the problem, apparently, is growing acceptance: "as gays and lesbians win legal rights and greater social acceptance, community activists worry these so-called 'gayborhoods' are losing their relevance."
Lisa Leff (Lisa Left?) simply relays their anxiety that the neighborhood is becoming "Disneyfied" -- that it's losing its bohemian, sex-drenched flavor. Notice the threatening language embraced by the reporter that the "wild abandon" and sexual liberation is not the dominant culture:
Don Reuter, a New York writer who is researching a book on the rise and fall of a dozen gay neighborhoods in the U.S., has observed the same trend in cities as far-flung as New Orleans, Philadelphia and Seattle. He found "Disneyfied" places boasting chain stores, restaurants catering to a diverse clientele and "cleared of any reference to sex."
"What makes these neighborhoods gay? Not much," concluded Reuter, who predicts that outside New York, San Francisco and a handful of other cities, neighborhoods with a significant gay presence will not survive.
In the early 1970s, an atmosphere of wild abandon prevailed in districts often referred to as "gay ghettos." Men who had kept their sexual orientations hidden reveled in the freedom of leading openly gay lives for the first time. The nonstop party dragged to a painful halt in the 1980s with the onset of AIDS, Reuter said, but the crisis also solidified gay communities even as it decimated them.
Now, as the fear of AIDS has abated, the neighborhoods have become attractive to developers and investors trying to encourage families and empty-nesters to return to city centers, said Reuter.
Besides the brigades of baby strollers in the Castro, ominous signs include the security gates installed last year by a local hotel to discourage "cruising," and the recent closings of two longtime stores, one that sold leather goods and the other bath products. National retail chains like Pottery Barn and Diesel now occupy prominent Castro locations.
Several nonprofit agencies serving the gay community have also moved out due to rising rents. Meanwhile, 500 new apartments and condominiums are planned for the area, half of which have been designated as "family housing."
But no one is suggesting that the Castro has been overrun by heterosexuals just yet.
Whether Leff's being sincere or sardonic, her tone is unquestionably in favor of the natives. Unsurprisingly, no one critical of homosexuality is interviewed for the piece. There is one Castro resident who's not so panicked at the arrival of straight outsiders, but that's just a brief interruption of otherwise consistent mourning that the straights are ruining the place, that they're "colonizing" the Castro all the way to the story's end.
"We have Chinatown and Japantown and so forth, and that's important for minority communities in this country, to have a place where they can get a sense of being the majority," said Joe Curtin, an architect who serves as president of Castro Area Planning Action. "But if you took those away, you would still have China and Japan. If the Castro goes away as a gay neighborhood, there is nowhere else."
...Basinger, Curtin and other San Francisco activists agree it's a good thing that gay people no longer feel restricted to the Castro, but fear younger generations will overlook the struggles that went into building the neighborhood.
"When you are a minority, you have to be the wedge, and the Castro is it," he said. "The people who are coming in here and colonizing the Castro, they are exercising their priorities. Whether they are heterosexual priorities or economic priorities, they are not our priorities."
This is an interesting trend, and certainly a news story. But if the roles were reversed and gay activists were "colonizing" a formerly straight neighborhood, the AP's tone probably wouldn't sound like the reporters and editors were blowing their nose into a hanky with the natives.
AP may have been inspired by this story, which interviewed the same experts.
—Tim Graham is Director of Media Analysis at the Media Research Center















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Hey... I am all for giving th
March 12, 2007 - 06:39 ET byHey... I am all for giving them their own island. How about Iceland? I hear it is not claimed yet.
:o)
People need to be real clear
March 12, 2007 - 07:45 ET by stanleygoodspeedPeople need to be real clear on the depth of evil that homosexuality is ...
Romans 1:24-27
(24) Wherefore God also gave them up [paradidomai - surrendered them] to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves:
(25) Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshiped and served the creature [ktisis - their own bodies] more than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
(26) For this cause God gave them up [paradidomai - surrendered them] unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use [phusikos chresis - natural sexual intercourse] into that which is against nature:
(27) And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use [phusikos chresis - natural sexual intercourse] of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet [full-blown devil spirit possession 24/7/365].
Romans 1:28-32
(28) And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
(29) Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
(30) Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
(31) Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
(32) Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
And, as great as that depth is, God is still able and willing to save any homosexual who wants out of that lifestyle.
Isaiah 1:16-18
(16) Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil;
(17) Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.
(18) Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
Romans 10:9
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Yeah, and with Global Warming
March 12, 2007 - 08:24 ET by rimskyYeah, Iceland sounds good to me.. and with Global Warming.. hey, they're good to go!
Yes, and Al Gore can be their
March 12, 2007 - 09:36 ET byYes, and Al Gore can be their president. hehe..
Sounds like a plan..
March 12, 2007 - 10:04 ET by rimskySounds like a plan..
No plan needed
March 13, 2007 - 10:56 ET by SportPoliticsNo plan needed , they invaded,and now payback time has come.
[ Thousands of gays and lesbians came to the city at the beginning of the Gay Liberation movement in the late 1960s, settling first in the Haight, where they fixed up Victorian homes. In the 1970s and '80s, many of them moved over the hill to the Castro, where there was less crime. ]
I guess it's ok to INVADE the Haight, and the way you can tell the homogate paper endorses that invasion is when they say " where they fixed up Victorian homes". ( Rather than disturbed the long established conservative victorian area)
Then the next endorsement comes when the homos skipped over the hill, and INVADED the low crime, crime free community, the "Castro" (because of course the gays are less often criminal in nature - is that the homogate implication ..).... I bet the residents enjoying their low crime area loved the homo invasion. Must have been wonderful.
So, ya know, I guess they kept their stolen enclaves for 30-40 some years... and now someone else has come to invade - since homophobia is gone by the wayside....
Awwww... poor babies are losing the ground they stole in the 60's,70's and 80's... oh I feel so bad for them...
Maybe they will all by committee decide to mass migrate to the next nearest lowest crime community - I bet that next community can hardly wait for the gayvasion coming to them...
[ "You can't tell people where to live, and people are making all sorts of decisions," said Kyle Raye, Toronto's first openly gay city councilman who has represented the Gay Village area since 1991. "The lines are blurred; even the police love working (during gay pride events). There are significant social changes that have occurred." ]
Yeah, well you homos asked for it, now after decades you've got it - and it's about to destroy your special status world. Congratulations.
WELCOME TO THE EQUALITY YOU HAVE DEMANDED
[
In Chicago, the core gay neighborhood has moved farther from the urban center as real estate prices have risen. Most gay and lesbian people who own homes now live on the northern edge of the city, said filmmaker Ron Pajak, who is documenting the history of the city's gay community.
A district of gay nightclubs in southern Washington, D.C., is being demolished to make room for a new stadium. And in Toronto, high-rise condos are replacing parking lots in the Gay Village, and more heterosexuals are moving into the neighborhood. ]
Now you're just another homo - sapien, nothing special at all.
Just so I've got this strai
March 13, 2007 - 11:15 ET by sarcasmoJust so I've got this straight (no pun intended)...Homosexuals, often fleeing thug-violence so they naturally tended to flee in groups, buying homes from private individuals in the free real estate marketplace are "invading" and the resulting enclaves are "stolen." Then, across the country, a very-large & growing big government uses eminent domain to support a baseball-monopoly, thereby taking-away real estate and nightclubs privately-owned & peaceably-used by gays, and that's apparently not-a-problem. Does everyone see from this why I'm a libertarian instead of a conservative?
JMR
I see this much sarcasmo
March 14, 2007 - 01:37 ET by SportPoliticsI see this much sarcasmo. You're no where near your own name in detecting the same. Next time read the article, and use your noggin instead of whining like an idiot.
That should mean to you that, no you don't have it straight,you didn't have it straight, and surely you won't.
Ah, finally a reply, and it
March 14, 2007 - 01:49 ET by sarcasmoAh, finally a reply, and it's the classic: "the stupid thing I said was actually attempted sarcasm, you idiot!" Good try!!! But yet another failure for you...
JMR
I'm with you. Libertarianism
March 14, 2007 - 01:57 ET by mostlymoderateI'm with you. Libertarianism is looking "mighty" good. Homosexuals have just as much right to the American dream as anyone else. San Francisco is a very wealthy city and many of those wealthy people are gay. Sportspolitics was out of line.
Shhhh! You're destroying my
March 14, 2007 - 02:02 ET by sarcasmoShhhh! You're destroying my process of getting him & RJ into an absolute antihomosexual tither, and that's likely to be as fun as annoying the lefties about the bipartisan nature of political criminality. (And as a public service, I just did a 'how to do sarcasm 101' post for his other reply on this thread!)
JMR
NICE!
March 14, 2007 - 02:53 ET by mostlymoderateNICE!
Yes it is nice, isn't it, for an idiot.
March 14, 2007 - 03:03 ET by SportPoliticsYes it is nice, isn't it, for an idiot. Time to refocus your stupid leftist bigotmeter, on the liars- which in this case are the Castro faggers and their San Fran fraternity.
Mr blubbertarian your new buddy, shrills up about the free market, but when the fags say it's all wrong on them, he runs to their defense.
In the end, you two doofuses can cuddle eachother happy with the thought that the big bad imaginary bigot got what's coming to him. Less post groping in public would be appreciated, however, unless of course one or both of you somehow wind up being correct and on point.
I guess it be forever before either one of you admits the fags got what they DEMANDED (acceptance) and what they gave ( a freemarket buyout ), and now they don't like it.
GET A CLUE.
Again, Liar, where did I ev
March 14, 2007 - 03:09 ET by sarcasmoAgain, Liar, where did I ever, even once, defend the anti-baby homosexual's idiocy? Find a post! And my various posts making you look like the moron you are do not count, because your own idiocy is a completely separate topic from the anti-baby homosexuals' very-similar idiocy.
JMR
Thanks, and no-worries. I o
March 14, 2007 - 03:05 ET by sarcasmoThanks, and no-worries. I obviously got my antihomosexual tither anyway, even without RJ being awake. :)
JMR
No you didn't sarc
March 14, 2007 - 03:46 ET by SportPoliticsNo you didn't sarc. You must be really green behind the ears.
The fact that you hide your own bigotry and your own lamer defense for the miscomplaining fags behind your bigotmeter is pathetic for you.
It's the exact same thing the left does all the time. It certainly isn't worthy of being called libertarian, but being a trolling jerkoff fits well.
Let's take the sarc line and forget the entire case, and cry and whine someone has a predjudice - except when it comes to the fag community predjudice, and their demand for a segregated community, that sarcy the wimp angel endorses because conservative meanies beat them all up in sarcs imaginary victim drain brain.
Go blow another doobie and cackle like the idiot leftist you are.
.... a trolling jerkoff fits
March 14, 2007 - 03:58 ET by bigtimer.... a trolling jerkoff fits well.
SP...giving yourself a little too much credit aren't ya there little guy?
Ya need something to use to jerkoff with first.
Which you seem to lack.
Of course you do know I am speaking brain wise....mental capabilities...when it comes to you, you crude bast@rd.
LOL!
Yeah, sure there bigtimer
March 14, 2007 - 04:10 ET by SportPoliticsYeah, sure there bigtimer. This of course is the beating up story of the faggo you or sarco witnessed ? Try that one on, genius.
It appears you are the worst of the bunch, though, so far. Wear that as well.
Now, since when was it obvious to you, as it was to the lying jerkoff sarc, that I was being literal when I said the the places were invaded and stolen ?
I guess being a pathetic retard is catchy.
I never said "literal,
March 14, 2007 - 04:18 ET by sarcasmoI never said "literal," Liar. It's more like "moronic" in your case...
JMR
You have a screw loose tonigh
March 14, 2007 - 04:31 ET by bigtimerYou have a screw loose tonight SP...I cannot even follow what the hell you are talking about as to the line you posted below that I have inserted here...that you are addressing to me?
Now, since when was it obvious to you, as it was to the lying jerkoff sarc, that I was being literal when I said the the places were invaded and stolen ?
What the heck does that have to do with me?
Eh?
What does that have to do with you ?
March 14, 2007 - 05:25 ET by SportPoliticsWhat does that have to do with you ? Aren't you the one who demanded I go back and read what I already read, and now of course it seems you didn't read what I wrote, or more correctly find sarcs spiel on are gays born that way to your liking, and nothing else matters, but the moans of yesterday. did ya freakin' notice I never commented on that ? Perhaps the reason your so confused is because your following sarc around like a puppy. Well, he's a lying skumbag, and that's what that had to do with you. I thought perhaps you had a bit more going on.
Yeah, I sure as hell know what's going on with you, but once again it sure as hell doesn't matter one whit.
Dumb jerkoff asked a 3rd grader question, because he cannot detect his own namesake in another post. Let me make it easy for you. Butthead pretended my sarcasm was literal.
Not knowing what's going on...It's a great excuse, bal uses it all the time.
I'd like to give sarc and youmore credit, but maybe I shouldn't. Really.
I guess I have to become a complete freakin 60 IQ moron like sarcy and you, so we can argue over "invaded" and "stolen" properly, since noone here has a clue, and of course only the sane would think I meant it literally.
I guess STUPID is popular.
Then we can get into " Hey Sport, how do you feel about gays ". That's the other gigantic topic, isn't it. Or maybe it's " bigtimer is notabigot and she loves her gay cousin and doesn't have a homophobic bone in her body - really really really - ya just gotta love it. "
Uhh huh... I love it alright. It's great.
Now, back to the whining enclave gaters, who get these special formerly abused - or perhaps would be abused SPECIAL RIGHTS....
Or not of course, since they are WRONG, you and sarc have to playdumb and play bigot bash.. or word police, or moron who can't understand, or probably soon "just shut-up".
So in other words, since their faggots- you and sarc demand they get special protections, an absolution or two, a city or two or more, special word policing, and all above and beyond the non fags...
Thanks, that's great.
Well SP...It's been loads of
March 14, 2007 - 05:36 ET by bigtimerWell SP...
It's been loads of fun, going to go pop a top on an ice cold beer, enjoy myself for the rest of the night, watch the sun come up over the mountain tops later...and say a prayer for you.
Catch ya later fella...
Liar, one thing I don't wan
March 14, 2007 - 05:42 ET by sarcasmoLiar, one thing I don't want you to do is shut up, and you can't find where I've demanded any "special protections" for homosexuals, because I haven't. My libertarian solution to "gay bashing" is a .44 caliber one, and does not involve special laws or big government. Keep lying!!
JMR
You are out of control, sarca
March 14, 2007 - 12:27 ET byYou are out of control, sarcasmo. I suggest you get some sleep and later retract what you have said in this post. As someone who speaks out against homosexuality, I am a bit uncomfortable with this post of yours.
Debra, he was saying they can
March 15, 2007 - 04:40 ET by Conservative VoiceDebra, he was saying they can defend themselves with a .44, not that we should shoot them.
Thanks for supplying some a
March 15, 2007 - 04:52 ET by sarcasmoThanks for supplying some actual comprehension along with your reading. You're right about my meaning, which I'd thought was pretty clear anyway. I hereby retract nothing I've said, whatsoever, on this entire overly-long, repetitive thread.
JMR
Keep on lyin', Liar! It's a
March 14, 2007 - 04:00 ET by sarcasmoKeep on lyin', Liar! It's as amusing when you try to rewrite bigoted-violence history as it was yesterday when the Clinton-fans tried to rewrite Slick's US attorney firing history. You sure do know how to lose, Liar...
JMR
History
March 14, 2007 - 04:15 ET by SportPoliticsHistory, being the key word, which fits exactly with your whine that faggos get their segregated city, because they got that hate crime butt kicking and fled there.
I'd bet 95% of the those that you put down WOULD NOT AGREE with you.
GO BLOW.
Wait a second, Liar. Are yo
March 14, 2007 - 04:24 ET by sarcasmoWait a second, Liar. Are you actually saying that gays, or 95% of them, would deny there's a history of bigoted violence which brought them together in the first place? Wow...Your lies have apparently expanded from what you don't-know about me to what you don't-know about history! I guess ignorance is contagious.
JMR
I am putting a response to th
March 14, 2007 - 04:48 ET byI am putting a response to this on page 3.
Um, I said nothing of "
March 14, 2007 - 05:03 ET by sarcasmoUm, I said nothing of "hate crime" laws (libertarians like me do dislike such laws, though). I instead was speaking of a history of bigoted violence which far predates the passage of any "hate crime" laws. Said bigoted violence, at least in part, caused these citizens to band together for protection in famously-tolerant San Francisco, just as other unpopular minority groups like Mormons banded together for protection decades before.
JMR
Way to go Sarc, you're sayi
March 14, 2007 - 14:52 ET by Rupert CadellWay to go Sarc, you're saying everything I've always wanted to. Keep on tearing down Sports, he's the biggest, most hateful lunatic on this site. Even BigTimer's calling him on his sh!t.
By the way, I was sorry to see RJ trying to use my words against you Re: Homophobes = Closet-Cases. You had it right, he didn't seem to want to look at the post directly above the one he cited.
And Debra, why don't you worry about your own hatefulness instead of "speaking out" against homosexuals. Seriously, have you nothing better to do than berate people whose sexual proclivities are different from yours?
"I'm liberal, but to a degree; I want everyone to be free." -B. Dylan
Missing genes
March 14, 2007 - 15:08 ET by RJRup, sarky didn't get it at first, and apparently you don't either....sure, I was busting him for dragging out the hoary old liberal trick of slapping the usual labels on those in disagreement with you on this issue...but at the same time it was a joke.
However, you seem to fall into the same "missing humor gene" category as sarky (that's a joke, too, Rup)
And while you're formulating your response, you might want to check out your post directly below sarky's post, where you equated his post to calling people Nazis...was I using your words against him there, too? ;^>
Nope. You were selectively-
March 15, 2007 - 04:56 ET by sarcasmoNope. You were selectively-quoting just like I said, and your own quotee just busted you on it, RJ, despite your denials. Getting the last word != anything-like an intellectual victory when you're losin' this bad.
JMR
:: Laughing at Rupert Cadell
March 14, 2007 - 20:24 ET by:: Laughing at Rupert Cadell :: What a doofus.... hehe
Did you get lost on the way to liberals-R-us.com?
:o)
It's always good to see the liberal in disguise take with the op
March 14, 2007 - 02:32 ET by SportPoliticsIt's always good to see the liberal in disguise take with the opposition.
Jerkoff argues the government stole land from gays, ignoring the vast majority of the complaint, which is that gays are accepted and now rich heteroes are buying up the place. ( Obviously in the free market, and with the faggers taking a sizeable profit, also conveniently unmentioned and ignored by you two DOOFUSES, because you haven't got a damned clue. )
When the faggos invaded, they said it was their right, and now that others invade them, they whine like the sissy hypocrits they are, and you two morons play their game.
Talk about being out of line and out of it entirely, you two pieces of stupidity take the cake.
Um, Liar, if you'd actually
March 14, 2007 - 02:37 ET by sarcasmoUm, Liar, if you'd actually read for once (it's fundamental!) you'd see that I'm just as critical of the anti-baby homosexual's idiocy as I am of your own anti-homosexual idiocy. It's good to see that you know your argument is so-weak that you have to lie-again about me, though.
JMR
You're a dummy again sarc
March 14, 2007 - 02:58 ET by SportPoliticsYou're a dummy again sarc. I'm anti-lying idiot as always. But you're so foolish a gay card is all you have left ( very, very left). The faggers did their deed, and now it's time they take the same deed, which you fully endorsed when they fled from your imaginary beatings, like the men they are supposed to be. But, of course, lowlife antics are better suited to you. Call Jesse Jackson, maybe you can convince him that fags deserve to do it, but noone else does.
Yeah, Liar! Deny anti-gay v
March 14, 2007 - 03:03 ET by sarcasmoYeah, Liar! Deny anti-gay violence ever existed, that's the ticket! Just say people who bring up a long history of bigoted violence are making it all up. Brilliant...
JMR
What a maroon, you're now hilarous sarc
March 14, 2007 - 03:10 ET by SportPoliticsWhat a maroon, you're now hilarious sarc, really.
Unfortunately for you, I give the faggers a lot more credit than you do. You seem to think they all beebopped into one spot because some mean conservative was beating the crap out of them. Quite incorrect, you biggotted jerkoff.
Birds of a feather flock together, and it is easy to quite more correctly assume they wanted their own place to let it all hang out together, where they could get what they wanted.
Instead, sarc the idiot bigot victimologist, says they all fled because bigbully beat them up.
You're still as dumb as a rock, and insulting to the gay community, which you falsely defend, in more than one way, as has been pointed out.
pinhead
Ok, I'll say it, Liar.
March 14, 2007 - 03:18 ET by sarcasmoMethinks thou dost protest too-much. ;)
JMR
methinks you're an idiot sarc
March 14, 2007 - 03:25 ET by SportPoliticsmethinks you're an idiot sarc, with a faggot victim card, the exception to the rule.
If they beat the crap out of you for disrespecting them, that would be justice.
Methinks he is off his rocker
March 14, 2007 - 03:25 ET by bigtimerMethinks he is off his rocker...
Hey bigtimer
March 14, 2007 - 03:52 ET by SportPoliticsHey bigtimer, when was the last time you,or sarc,or his insane friend saw some fag get beat up,for being a fag ?
Let's just say right now, that was in all likelihood NEVER.
It's not a world I've created, it's a world you people claim exists, that NONE of you have ever seen. ( Oh, well maybe if you're old grey, you might have )
Tell ya what SP,Go back and r
March 14, 2007 - 04:11 ET by bigtimerTell ya what SP,
Go back and read my posts that I posted yesterday about this subject...when you are calm, cool and collected, most likely sarc's too...seriously, you may learn more about what I said about how I feel about this whole situation if you did...before shooting off your loud big rude crude mouth...
I still can't believe you tonight, maybe you are always like this, I don't know....but I am serious, if you have time tomorrow, go reread ...from the beginning the start of the subject.
I posted a pretty long posts numerous times with CV misterbill and others...you are way off base.
Btw...sarc and I do not agree about a lot, but he is my friend, we have both been here for a very long time...and he certainly didn't ask for this IMO...you are taking things waaaaay out of line...way out.
Another thing...life is not as simple as black and white with most milestones we cross.
Unless you haven't lived, or are to stubbornly blind to see it.
Well bigtimer
March 14, 2007 - 04:32 ET by SportPoliticsWell bigtimer, it seems most of your posts were blown off in the electrical outage or whatever.
Let me be clear again.
THE FAGGOTS WHINED WHAT THEY DID WAS DONE BACK TO THEM.
Now, if you don't like the word(s) used, too bad. Obviously I am an equal opportunity name caller, something sarco the idiot can't figure out yet either.
I'd sure like either one of you lamer freaking pathetic DEFENDERS, to get your hats screwed on straight and flat out admit that what they did was fair and square, and what is being done to them is therefore fair and square as well.
Instead we're all cought in some sort of PC timewarp -where the EXCUSE apparently is " they were beat up - and will be beaten if they don't get to keep their segregated community." Of course, it's NOT PC to come right out and say that, so instead you have coddled sarc, and somehow think that I have been incorrect.
Well, once again, I expect a big fat ZERO from either of you, when it comes to the point of the thread starter, whereby my extension from the newspaper coddling them, to their own hipocrisy in the matter, will NEVER BE ADMITTED by you, sarc, or his supposed moderate buddy, or so it seems.
I'm very happy to CONTINUE to give you all a big fat pathetic EXCUSE for not agreeing, because I used the word(s) fag, faggot- homo - or whatever - INSTEAD OF YOUR DEMAND FOR PC DOCTRINAIRE WORDING - a courtesy NONE of you demanded be extended to " the bigots and christain zealouts" you see everywhere.
What a patheitc, lamer, crybaby way to cop out on the truth.
Amazing, Liar. You've evolv
March 14, 2007 - 04:40 ET by sarcasmoAmazing, Liar. You've evolved from calling home-buying an "invasion" & "stealing" to describing the same situation as "fair and square" in less than 4 hours. And you still can't point out a single time where I objected to anyone's real estate deal, no matter the sexual preference of the buyer/seller. If you keep trying to deny the history of bigoted violence, I'm gonna throw this link back in your face over & over so your creative "history" can't negatively affect others. You lose, again, Liar.
JMR
SP...I was talking about the
March 14, 2007 - 04:50 ET by bigtimerSP...
I was talking about the crude way you are talking to sarc from the beginning...please go reread the posters, there was no need for that, it makes you look small and immature, not about the SF neighborhood! I could care less about.
I have posted my feelings about what I feel about gays and such yesterday on another thread, it was the rude crude way you are talking to a friend of mine when there is no need to talk that way.
I am and never will be PC...and I would think you know that by now SP.
Quit spewing, calm down and at least address people that have been here for a long time with a little decorum.
Come on now...it is terrible the way you are screaming and using language like a pre-teen.
No need for that.
Btw...my favorite cousin is gay, and I would lay down my life for him.
Period.
He din't choose to be that way either...which is part of what I posted about yesterday in another long thread, well heck, guess it wasn't yesterday now, it had to be two days ago!
Morning has almost broken....
LOL!
Once again,it's all feelings and anti-bigot cries
March 14, 2007 - 05:06 ET by SportPoliticsOnce again, it's all feelings and anti-bigot cries.
You made a perfect liberal post again.
Frankly I don't really care how much you love your cousin. I won't be doing Christain praise for you, or condemning you claiming it isn't true.
The point the bigotted liar went on a false attack, as do most of the wackos, and neither you nor he have the capacity to give your stance in the matter.
This isn't about HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT GAYS.
I quite understand that's ALL you and sarc think this whole thing is about.
Yeah, and of course, it's oh so very important how you think I FEEL ABOUT GAYS.
Now it's about how to have decorum with lying attack dogs - but OFCOURSE YOU ATTACKED ME QUITE RABIDLY - AND FIRST - BTW - AS DID SARC.
( Perhaps sarc could claim I did - when I pointed out how STUPID the writer was in the link he posted. )
So bigtimer- if you want decorum now - maybe you should have thought about it before you went digging in - FIRST.
My "feelings about gays" have ABSOLUTELY ZERO to do with every point I brought up.
I think my rewriting my posts to the PC dogma version would have had you agreeing with what I actually said. Sarc has a silimar disease, only it's off topic commentary on his libertarian perspective, muddled with lamer liberal bigot carding in this case, coupled with obviously flawed illiteracy used as a weapon for misinterpretation, which of course he goes raging insane about if he thinks someone did it to himeven when they didn't. ( in this very thread)
So, ya know, who gives a darn what youpersonally feel about gay people. I could care less.
What I have a problem with, is after - 30+ and more years of the gays buying up a community, openly begging for relief when the same dang thing happens to them, and idiotic fools to busy with gay bigot checkpoint doctrine to even notice the gigantic HYPOCRISY - and using every excuse they can dream up to pretend it just ain't THERE.
Goodnight.
NIGHT!And good riddance!Btw..
March 14, 2007 - 05:13 ET by bigtimerNIGHT!
And good riddance!
Btw...I have never ever said I think gays ever should or deserve to have special rights...ever, I am totally against it.
You are one cold SOB as far as I am concerned you can stick it where the sun doesn't shine and twist it sideways while you are at it.
No , I don't think you did bigtimer
March 14, 2007 - 05:43 ET by SportPoliticsNo , I don't think you did bigtimer. The problem is you never said the opposite either concerning the Castro and the Haige, specifically that the gays there will have to suffer a similar thing to what they brought on the community when they decided it would be theirs.
Ya see, that's the rub. The perfect adherence to anti-antigay positioning precludes you or sarc from ever even acknowledging it. The orignal poster of the thread got it. I get it.
Ya see, the special priveledges and indeed the liberal bias in the news was all about defending the gays' community --- instead of defending the incomers as was pointed to up top, when it'sa favored minority. Now the minority is there, and not only are they there, but they got there the same way others they are against are getting there now. It's PURE HYPOCRISY.
Now instead of actually agreeing, it's big fat PC police bigot lie chase fest. I'm your happy little "he's a bigot " target, since the one islanders left.
I guess sarc is just being his normal lying idiot super senstive openly admitted trolling bs self. It's skumbagville.
So, go off all cocked up - who cares.
I'll keep wating for either of you losers to admit the fags are getting what's coming to them, and I'll be waiting forever, because your PC anti-bigot wacko card is more important than the plain simple we are all equal truth.
Whatever. I see it all so clearly, it reminds me of tumlber.
I was waiting for the great
March 14, 2007 - 05:46 ET by sarcasmoI was waiting for the great "whatever! argument" from you, Liar! :)
JMR
No you weren't
March 14, 2007 - 05:53 ET by SportPoliticsNo you weren't. That's another lie from you. The second lie is that is what the argument is.
Of course I've told you already what I'm wating for, and you won't deliver.
It's one stupid infantile (the meaning of invaded and stolen) idiot argument after another.
What you are really waiting for is for me to say one way or the other wether I agree with the government buying up stadium land. That's what you want, you moron.
Keep on lyin', Liar! It's n
March 14, 2007 - 05:57 ET by sarcasmoKeep on lyin', Liar! It's nice when it's so-obvious...
JMR
When I said good night to ya
March 14, 2007 - 05:50 ET by bigtimerWhen I said good night to ya a second ago...this has really been bugging me I forgot to say...
...and stoke the fire and sit by it as the sun comes up with a cold beer, pet my dogs and cats...
Then get ready for the new day...start the same old grind...with Maxwell House...the bold brand!!...or I could grind some good coffee beans...just depends on my mood, fry up some spuds, bacon and eggs...want to join me SP...sarc...?
LMAO!
Later...
Yeah I'd join you
March 14, 2007 - 05:58 ET by SportPoliticsYeah I'd join you. I don't hold anything against you. I said what I think and that's it to me.
Hilarious. But obviously yo
March 14, 2007 - 05:14 ET by sarcasmoHilarious. But obviously you've not spent much time on a farm... Homosexuality happens, period, in the animal world. The homosexual hypocrites in the story sound just as dimwitted to me as lying bigots like you do. And it's funny to be lectured on literacy by someone as English-impaired as you obviously-are....
JMR
Never said it didn't MORON LIAR sarc
March 14, 2007 - 05:31 ET by SportPoliticsNever said it didn't MORON LIAR sarc.
Ya know, maybe once in a blue moon when you pull your idiot noggin out of your self made trash barrel, you can figure out the difference now between 10% plus a few -vs- the majority, and now the difference between the former 10%+ and ZERO.
You're still a LYING IDIOT .
Liar, you have yet to prove
March 14, 2007 - 05:37 ET by sarcasmoLiar, you have yet to prove one thing I've said is not true. Not one. And I'm not sure what you're spewing about, but the behavior of farm animals is a fact you're not going to be able to deny, even if you don't like it. Yep. Still batting 1000, Liar.
JMR
I'm absolutely sure what you're spewing about.
March 14, 2007 - 05:47 ET by SportPoliticsI'm absolutely sure what you're spewing about. I'm also sure what bigtimer was spewing about.
So your spew prior to the last was another big fat lie. It goes all the way back to your idiot link. Now you have a reason to be confused. Use it well dummy.
SP, you have way too much hos
March 14, 2007 - 03:05 ET by mostlymoderateSP, you have way too much hostility in your prose to be taken seriously. Lighten up a little bit. Those words you use like "faggers et. al" are so below quality of Newsbusters. I mean, I don't think homosexuals should get married; however, I refuse to let some 'jock-strap-wannabe' use such derogratory language toward a fellow American and not say something about it. Two words for you: ANGER MANAGEMENT....ya big bully! :0)
mostlymoderate
March 14, 2007 - 03:19 ET by SportPoliticsmostlymoderate, perhaps you should consider that while you were dancing in public with your newly acquired sarcasm failure buddy, who openly proclaimed with your hipster approval, that he set about to elicit a raging homo bashfest, that he failed and I succeeded.
I obviously drove both of you two fools crazy, as you lofted the bigot word police card far above your own abilities to asses the facts in the case presented.
Now you're both down to --- oh please don't use that word...
Well, let me say, that certainly fagbasher, bigot, homo hater- or whatever else, including "right wing christain zealout ", fundamentalist - and all the rest -neither of you two have complained about the whole thread....
Has the PC specific choice word olympics picked your mind to a hollow shell ?
Once again, their whine is FALSE, they did it themselves and demanded everyone praise them for it, now the stick is up their rear end, and for the first time in their lives, they claim don't like it.
Welcome to the world of equality - as I said prior in the post that lit off doofus into a deranged babble against the free market, with his fagticket taking priority over everything.
did I misspell assess ?
See, now that is an intellige
March 14, 2007 - 03:24 ET by mostlymoderateSee, now that is an intelligent, Newsbuster-worthy reply. Good man. Oh, and P.S...I have no Idea how to spell assess. rock on bro
Lol mm..He is a world all of
March 14, 2007 - 03:33 ET by bigtimerLol mm..
He is in a world all of his own!
Pathetic soul.
Well that's interesting from you bigtimer
March 14, 2007 - 03:49 ET by SportPoliticsWell that's interesting from you bigtimer. Just what is your hangup ?
What part of the posts that I
March 14, 2007 - 04:01 ET by bigtimerWhat part of the posts that I have posted do you not understand since you started posting your rude crude tirade?
Go back and start from the beginning SP.
I can't believe you.
Wow, you think you are something.
Not.
Yeah,that's what I thought
March 14, 2007 - 04:41 ET by SportPoliticsYeah, that's what I thought, the PC word police, liberal flaming in all it's glory.
Congratulations, you can vote for the corrupt democrats now, you are just like them.
Maybe, one of you two will have the guts to admit the Castro and Haige gay flamers are WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.
This is a case where you apparently, along with "the LYING guy who you agree with" ( on matters I HAVE NOT COVERED BY THE WAY - GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR POSTERIOR THERE AS WELL) think that it's AOKfor that very special right to be extended to them....
So far the 2 or (3) excuses for special treatment under the law are
1. you used bad words
2. they got beat up - it really, really, is why it must be
3. This big one " I don't give a dang what's right or wrong, because I think so and so hates fags . He's right, he's correct, but I think he used bad words because of that he must be a bigot, so screw him, nothing else matters ! "
Yeah, that's the WHOLE STORY.
3 easy questions for DebraJMSmith.
March 12, 2007 - 15:44 ET by Dave RDebraJMSmith,
Right up front there are a few things I want to get straight with you. 1) I am securely heterosexual. 2) I consider myself a Christian.
I was born in an area of Atlanta known as Buckhead, one of the most affluent areas in this city. I have spent well over half my life living in that area. The next neighborhood over is known as Midtown. It has one of the largest homosexual populations in the nation. It has been that way since before I was born (1964). I have been around and known many homosexuals my entire life. There are some homosexual people I consider to be friends.
Over the years, I have been invited to, and have attended, many of their parties and social gatherings (probably the best environment there is when it comes to meeting beautiful-I am talking drop-dead gorgeous heterosexual females, than any guy could ever hope for) and never once felt threatened in any way, by the hosts or the other guests. I have met several wonderful professional women who became very close relationship-wise, including one I nearly married, and would have save for my refusal to leave the Atlanta area.
Never once, in my nearly 43 years on this rock, have I ever witnessed the behavior you and others on this site have attributed to homosexuals, toward children or anyone else. These people are, for the most part, highly educated and have a level of intelligence far above those of average people. They are the highest income earners, as a group, than any other group in this city. Most of them are content to pursue their careers and live their lives. Nearly all of them just want to be left alone. You would be surprised at how many are actually quite conservative.
I have three questions for you:
1)How many homosexuals have you ever actually known in your life?
2) At what point in your life did you make the conscious descision to be a heterosexual.
3)If all homosexuals are destined for an eternity in Hell, as you seem so sure that they are, I wonder how many of them are going there because of Christians like you?
Dave, How would it be a Chris
March 12, 2007 - 15:52 ET by florida_chadDave, How would it be a Christians fault if homosexuals go to hell?
Dave R. Contrary to popular b
March 12, 2007 - 15:53 ET by bassndudeDave R. Contrary to popular belief, neither I nor anyother Christian can send someone to hell. That is a decision made by the individual themselves. It is not my actions that condem someone to hell, nor yours nor Deb's. The fact of the matter is, you make a choice to except Jesus Christ as lord and savior, trust in him and do his will to the best of your ability. Witness to others about Him and let him direct your life.
Homosexuals, by defination, are not living their lives for Him, nor are they letting Him direct their lives. Jesus said that the sexually immoral will not enter to heaven. Now how can that be the act of a christian sending homos to hell?
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Please, please ,please
March 12, 2007 - 16:13 ET by misterbillduplicate Don't know what is wrong today, it not only posted twice but it logged me out too!
Please, please ,please
March 12, 2007 - 16:14 ET by misterbillPlease, please ,please, I am not taking sides, I have no answers. I have met and worked with and relaxed with homosexuals. Some are my friends. Some of them are deeply religious and loved Jesus. There is a poser.. Does Jesus reject them and close the door of salvation to them? I am concerned that by asking that question I will be thought of as a defender of homosexuality. I am not. I simply do not know the answer.
I also did a little reading and found that the medical(including psychological) community has done some studies and published some papers that said that it is not genetic. Again, I am not a doctor nor a defender, but how can there be people born as hermaphrodites or as the meds call it "ambiguous genitalia" and yet they say that "internally" (my word), there is no evidence of genetic differences. In spite of my lack of medical training, I suggest they just haven't broken the code yet.
Lastly, none of the homosexual men I know ever manifested the slightest interest in pedophilia. To the contrary, they found it abhorrent.
All that being said , I am totally turned off seeing two men or two women passionately kissing each other in public, or dressing in a style that "announces" their sexuality. But, again, I am totally turned off by heterosexual people behaving the same as I described in the previous sentence.
So, I am very confused about many circumstances of the world we live in.
Lastly, if one of my children or grandchildren were to be homosexual, I would still love them with all my heart.
.
Great post Mr. B."I'm
March 12, 2007 - 16:19 ET by Rupert CadellGreat post Mr. B.
"I'm liberal, but to a degree; I want everyone to be free." -B. Dylan
grazie
March 12, 2007 - 16:22 ET by misterbillgrazie-- I like to think that sometimes God's love is in me.
What part is great Rupert? Th
March 12, 2007 - 16:28 ET by florida_chadWhat part is great Rupert? That its not genitic or that Mr. Bill would still love the gay grandchild, or that he is confused about the subject (as many are)?
Just curious.
That he owns up to being un
March 12, 2007 - 16:33 ET by Rupert Cadell