Don Imus Slams Sen. Schumer Over Walter Reed Hypocrisy

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By Noel Sheppard | March 10, 2007 - 16:55 ET

It goes without saying that the majority of NewsBusters articles concerning MSNBC’s Don Imus are not very positive towards the radio host. However, on Friday, Imus completely lit into Sen. Charles Schumer (D-NY) over some obvious hypocrisies regarding the current controversy at Walter Reed Army Medical Center (h/t Larwyn and Macsmind).

As reported by NewsMax, Schumer was trying to lay all the blame for conditions at Walter Reed on the Bush administration. Fortunately, Imus wasn’t buying it (video available here).

What follows is a partial transcript posted at NewsMax. Frankly, it’s too much fun to interrupt with commentary. As such, roll the tape:

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Imus: Have you been aware, even since 1981, of the state of treatment that veterans have been receiving throughout the Veterans Administration hospitals?

Schumer: Yes, it’s gotten much worse in the last seven or eight years because the funding was just cut, cut, cut, cut, cut. I get stories all the time of veterans wounded in Iraq, they get good treatment over in Iraq . . . The Veterans Administration has just been decimated in terms of funding and it’s unbelievable because . . . we ask these people to serve us and in the DoD part, at least in Iraq, and initially when they are wounded from all reports they are treated well, after that they are just sort of forgotten about and the VA is just in terrible shape, terrible shape . . . It’s a little like FEMA with Katrina. They put the wrong people in charge. They don’t really care.

Imus: Senator Schumer, you’re not suggesting to me that this is something that just happened under the Bush administration. This has been going on since Korea, since the second world war.

Schumer: It’s been going on for a while, but what happened with the Iraq and Afghanistan wars is that the system got completely overloaded and it really broke down.

Imus: We’ve known for years, certainly since 1981, that the care and the way that these veterans have been treated to a large degree, not because it’s the people’s fault — most of them, the doctors and nurses particularly at the Veterans Administration — but for a variety of reasons, in many cases, their treatment and care has been woefully inadequate.

The bureaucratic red tape has been a nightmare for a lot of these people, and that’s been going on for years, and my question is why haven’t any of you ever done anything about it?

Schumer: Well, we’ve tried. I’ve been fighting since I got to the Senate for full funding for the veterans, and we didn’t do any oversight. That’s the real problem here . . . I’ll tell you one other thing that will happen. We’ll get full funding for the VA this year, for the first time. We did actually, to show you a little bit that this isn’t just catching up to the crisis, we did a budget in early January . . .

Imus: Let me interrupt you for a second, but this is nonsense, Senator Schumer. I want to be respectful, but you can’t possibly be serious and suggest — I mean I’m not a fool. You can’t suggest to me that because the Democrats are now in power that something is going to be done about Walter Reed and about the mess in the Veterans Administration and all of this, and that if the Democrats hadn’t taken control of Congress that nothing would have been done. That’s preposterous; of course it would have.

Schumer: Well, something would have been done if the story would have gotten out . . .

Imus: Here’s another question. Have you ever been over to Walter Reed?

Schumer: Ahh, not in a while, no.

Imus: How long has it been since you’ve been over there?

Schumer: Oh, before Iraq.

Imus: So, before Iraq since you’ve been over to see the soldiers. So, we have elected you — first in the Congress and now in the Senate — and you’ve got a bill now to do something we’ll get to in a minute; but you haven’t even been to Walter Reed Hospital.

Schumer: No, no, no. But I have visited regularly the veterans' hospitals throughout my state. That’s where I have focused on . . .

Imus: Well, you must have seen the state of affairs there . . .

Schumer: I did.

Imus: Well why didn’t you do something about it?

Schumer: We did . . . I did . . . I tried, I have been pushing . . .

Imus: Well nothing happened, Senator.

Schumer: No, nothing happened, I agree with you. It’s a shame. It’s a disgrace.

Imus: Did you vote to authorize the president to go to war in Iraq?

Schumer: Yes.

Imus: Good . . . So why wouldn’t you, once you voted for the president to go to war in Iraq, why wouldn’t you go over to Walter Reed — since the Iraq war has begun its been going on longer than World War II — to see the consequence of your vote. They are over there with no arms and legs, Senator.

Schumer: I did see the consequence throughout my state. I went to many, many veterans’ hospitals there. Did I visit every veterans' hospital? No, but I spent a lot of time; I mean, three weeks before this crisis happened, I was throughout the cities of my state meeting with guardsmen and reservists about the bad benefits they got in terms of health care.

Imus: But you need to go see the kids with no arms and legs . . .

Schumer: I am going to go to Walter Reed. You know, probably I should have gone there . . .

Imus: Without question, you should have . . .

Schumer: . . . but I did visit many veterans’ hospitals.

Imus: Was your vote originally to authorize the president to go to war in Iraq, in retrospect, was that a mistake on your part?

Schumer: Well, you know we talked about this a few times when I was on the show. Looking in retrospect, Iraq has been a total mess.

I do always believe, you know, when the nation is attacked you try to give the chief executive some latitude, a little bit of the benefit of the doubt, but I’ll never give this guy the benefit of the doubt again. We are putting — I don’t know if you saw the papers this morning — we’re putting together a plan, hopefully we’ll get some bipartisan support, that we changed the mission and the vast majority of troops are out by March 31, 2008.

Schumer: No, we were not attacked by Iraq.

Schumer: Well, again, I would say that I do believe in a strong chief executive in foreign policy. Would I, knowing what I know now, have done the same thing I did then? Obviously not.

Imus: Well, the first thing you’ve got to do is find time to go over to Walter Reed . . . That’s outrageous.

Schumer: I’ve already tried to set up time to do that. You’re right. Look, I don’t want to argue with you here. I see these pictures, I’ve talked to the families. I talk to the families in my state. It wrenches your heart out. Fine people. And, you know, so many.

With so much of the fighting being done by guardsmen and reservists — they are often family men and women with young children — our job is to care for them. Our job is to care for them. The nation has let them down, and hopefully that won’t happen again.

Imus: We elect you people to do this and none of you have been truthful with us, and none of you have done your job. In your case, you haven’t even been over there. I mean, Senator McCain apologized yesterday for not knowing about it. I, by the way, don’t exclude myself from all of this, because I’ve been to Walter Reed and I’ve raised tens of millions of dollars to build that new Center for the Intrepid down in San Antonio, and I didn’t ask any questions either, but I wasn’t elected by anybody.

Schumer: We should always be asking questions about as many, many of these issues as we can, and you’re right. It’s a national disgrace. I feel bad, I think everybody feels bad. We should — no question about it. The way to channel that is to make sure that in the future it changes . . .

Absolutely marvelous. What’s the likelihood of any Democrat being so grilled on the Sunday talk shows tomorrow?

I'm not holding my breath.

Update: Despite the good job Imus did, I wish he would have jumped on Schumer's fallacious suggestions that the Republicans and the Bush administration have underfunded the VA. As one can plainly see from the budget information supplied by OMB, the VA budget in 2001 was $45 billion. In 2007, it is $72 billion, a 60 percent increase. This is one of the largest six-year increases since this agency was created, and completely refutes Schumer's bogus position. 

—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters.

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Noel,Once again thank you!I h

Noel,

Once again thank you!

I had forgot all about this, but I caught this when I was just about to turn it when I saw Schumer's face on the screen and he (Schumer) was filibustering to begin with on the phone and Imus interrupted and went on a tirade about all the hypocrisy of him and his fellow politicians...it was delightful!

I was surprised at the non-stop attack, in fact I was shocked...Imus has been a lap-dog for the left for so long.

Pot calling kettle was called on him!

Well worth the video for those who haven't heard it...it's delicious, scrumptious in fact.

LOL!

Phony

Yeah, he was critical this once. I listen to Imus for the ten minutes every morning I drive to work. He's abusing the wounded as much as anyone. Saying they're "kids". Implying they are dupes wounded by the Bush administration unnecessarily in this war. He regularly calls Cheney a "war criminal". He said the other day that the national leadership from the President on down doesn't give a damn about the troops, believing that the troops are whiners.
Despicable. It's easy for the libs to be behind the troops, but they don't understand that out warriors would be much better off if they felt they were wounded as part of an effort that was meaningful and supported by their leaders. Imus is an opinion leader acting like a crow picking the eyes out of the dead, getting fat off of the suffering of troops who are trying to defeat an enemy of the US and the free world. His attack against Schumer is phony. My guess - you'll see Schumer back on his show within two weeks being praised by Imus. Don't give Imus any credit at all. He wants us to lose. He wants the administration to fail. He can't see that this needs to be a national effort. I'm sure he sleeps well convinced he "supports the troops". I wish he'd really help them by getting behind the cause. I'm not optimistic.

Liberals like Imus only &quot

Liberals like Imus only "support the troops" when they are losing, wounded, or dead. When they are kicking a$$, he and his fellow travellers consider them war criminals.

So this is the attempt by the

So this is the attempt by the Democrat's to show some faux emotion and concern about the troops. While blaming the Bush Administration.

I guess this is an attempt to cover up all the comments about their Life being wasted, And them being muderers and Rapist

This makes me sick.

www.teddybearjesus.com

We should grab this horrible

We should grab this horrible circumstance and proclaim as loudly as possible, "THIS IS GOVERNMENT HEALTHCARE AT IT'S BEST!!!".

Don't lose sight of their goal of national healthcare.

If it isn't good enough for our Armed Forces, where people have to answer to superiors - why do they want it for everyone?

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

I agree...good point!

I agree...good point!

Imus what's-up

I'am in shock that  the great "Imus" would go after some one from the Liberal side,But? will"la prince-kerry" or "ted the swimmer" get the same treatment,???

fnm,Nah, I think that was onc

fnm,

Nah, I think that was once in a life-time or at the very least five/seven year period for Imus...

I will say this, he really does care about the veterans care when they come home...

That about killed me to write when it comes to Imus.

Too bad he didn't care about helping out with us winning instead of his defeatist attitude along with Bernard when it comes to wanting Victory...and his adoration for all the leftists for the most part...and the disgusting things that come from his mouth about President Bush and VP Cheney.

Imus

Again Mr. Scary charges forward.  Don't spend too much time enjoying it as tomorrow is another savage Republicans day.  I now feel that the blood of our troops who have been wounded or died is on the hands of the liberals and the MSM, including Imus and weasel faced Mahr.  If we had all been on the same page for this great country from the git-go, this war would have been WON!

Imus

Well, I too was "shocked" to see and hear Imus go after Shumer..long over due by Imus to start something new in his borning show. He use to be such a fun guy, with all his characters..but without Larry kenny on the show very often, things sure are a bore. His daily rants against the President Bush and company is so sickening.  So it was real refreshing, to say the least. Now perhaps he is waking up to realities in America.  I think he has lost many supporters just in the last year, and I don't care what the MSNBC ratings may show, as I know many folks right in my area, that have stopped watching his show. And don't think for a minute that Imus doesn't read this blog of NewsBusters.  He will surely not admit it, but count on it..perhaps we will see more criticism on others that he has covered for..he ought to start taking on some of those members of the press, like Newsweeks Alter, and Fineman..too mouths that I am sick of hearing every week. Larry T. Doughty, larryt39@verizon.net....www.ourstory.com/larrytdoughty/....larrytdoughty@yahoo.com

Larry,Larry Kenny was part of

Larry,

Larry Kenny was part of the reason I watched the show a lot, and he wasn't so radical then with his spewing words about President Bush ect.

I miss the gals that used to sing with him it was too much when they would do parody's!

I don't know if was msnbc or his wife's views that changed any balance on his show, but my oh my he changed his show, I thought maybe, just maybe after Kaplan left he might have some changes back to some normalcy, but nooooo, maybe he will see the light, at least for ratings but it is doubtful.

It's starting off ever so su

It's starting off ever so subtle, but I am starting to see instances of even liberals getting fed up with all the partisan attack B.S., coming from the Dhimmicrats. The V.A. is a shining example of why we do not want, or need the government trying to run healthcare, it would be a nightmare.

My dad is a  Vietnam Vet, and has diabetes, and a multitude, of health problems associated with it. Although he could go to the V.A. for free medical care, to this day he chooses to use his, and my mothers employers health insurance.

He has spent a lot of money through the years in premiums, and medication, and I used to chide him on not using his government benefits, because he of course earned them in sacrifice. But he always stated that he V.A. just doesn't give a rats a$% about anyone, and is full of bureucratic B.S. Several of his friends wont' use them either, of course if they can afford not to.

The problem with the V.A. is the fault of Republicans, and Democrats alike, it has been a festering problem since it was created,and has been allowed to fester under every administration.

Not at all surprised to see the Dumbascraps as usual trying to expose this as something new, and a problem created by the Republicans.

Don Imus never struck me as the most creative guy in the world when it came to words, but even he didn't seem to appreciate being spoonfed a bunch of horsecrap from Schumer. Like I said, even the most seasoned liberals are starting to get sick of the hypocrisy, and having smoke blown up thier posteriors.

 Not looking good for the Al-Qeada-Crats, they are getting more, and more transparent every day, even to thier most loyal supporters.

 "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

                   - Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.

Being a bit older "son&q

Being a bit older "son", my dad has the same opinion of the VA - he served in the Pacific, during WWII, the BIG one, you know, it was in all the papers - anyway, he told me he'd shoot me if I ever took him NEAR a VA hospital. Trouble was, my first job was next to a VA, and usually had lunch in the cafeteria. Getting there was an eye opener - as good as the doc were, and as clean as this particular hospital was, those guys deserved much, much more, hence mt dad's wish not to go there.

I agree with the later statements, the demolibs are having trouble in getting their lies straight. Seems Peloonies 100 hours was a Wizard of Ox moment - "Ignore the man behind the screen"!

There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V

My mom got nothing but the be

My mom got nothing but the best treatment.  The VA was the best.  There was the wait and she had plenty of time.  Not teh wait for treatment but the wait in teh waiting rooms.  Perhaps it is a matter of who you are and where you go.  Old men also get crotchty in their old age. 

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark. -- save my gun, shoot a liberal.

I do not!!!

I do not get crotchety. It's just you young guys trying to tee me off. And also, you are faster, so you get to the good looking women first!!!

An ugly American is one who does not support his country.

VA hospitals - Not old and crotchety

I was unfortunate enough to have to deal with VA hospitals when I was in my 20s. My husband was active duty Air Force, and since I was a stay at home mom with a baby, I was covered under his health benefits. When I developed health issues, I was sent to the nearest VA hospital for tests. The experience was not pleasant. The waiting room was filthy, and I ended up having to wait over 5 hours to be seen. The physician I saw was rude and dismissive, and didn't even run the scheduled tests because he "knew that there was nothing wrong with me". To top it all off, while leaving through the waiting room, I was accosted by a man who turned out to be someone who had wandered off the mental ward. My PA at the base hospital then send me to another VA hospital further away to have the needed tests done. The care was just as bad at this hospital (except I wasn't being harassed by mental patients this time) and the tests were again not done. Later my husband left the Air Force and I was able to get the care I needed through private health insurance. I ended up being diagnosed with uterine cancer and had to have a hysterectomy. If the doctors at the VA hospitals had done their jobs, then the cancer may have been found at an earlier stage and the hysterectomy would not have been necessary.

I have heard similar stories from other about the care the experienced at VA hospitals. Sadly, these stories vastly outnumber the good stories others tell.

Am I the only one here laughi

Am I the only one here laughing my nuts off at the site of NewsBusters (Where there's news, we bust it!)  running an advertisement for George Soros?!  Wow, you all have high morals and standards with what you choose to promote (or accept promoting from).  Whats next, an ad for an "It Takes a Village" re-release.  BWAHAHAHAHAAHA

Mike

Mike,

That's an ad for the Financial Times, NOT George Soros.   ns

When your one big nut like yo

When your one big nut like yourself Mike D, I guess you just look in the mirror,  laugh  yourself off.

 "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

                   - Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.

So to answer your question,

So to answer your question, yeah, I guess you are.

Newsbusters...

Newsbusters...not Advertisingbusters...hint hint...nose...mirror...ah forget it...it's too obvious!

Shut up and blog! If you claim to be a conservative, please don't disgrace yourself and conservatism by thinking and arguing like a liberal. Go Rudy!

Wow, one of the sleeper cell

Wow, one of the sleeper cell members has appeared!

Yes, Mikey, you are the only one laughing your balls off (which I'm sure your hero Hillary would approve of) at this ad, especially since those of us who can actually read can easily see that it's an ad for the British group "Financial Times". Soros just happens to be the subject of their video interview-in which he endorses Barry Osama for President.

Pay attention and sharpen up those reading comprehension skills next year in 7th Grade, OK?

Glad you find the humor  - h

Glad you find the humor  - how'd you feel about the Haliburton buys he's made lately?

There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V

BWAHAHAHAHAAHA??

BWAHAHAHAHAAHA ? This is the sound of???

Never mind!

An ugly American is one who does not support his country.

So, mike d, a 1/2 second high pitch giggle?

So, mike d, a 1/2 second high pitch giggle?

Now you realize there were no 'ball's to laugh off, what next?

ACA

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Quoted from:  'Acaiguana Notes from the Bomb Shelter' (soon to be a movie at theaters near you)

I like Imus. He ripped on Bi

I like Imus. He ripped on Bill Clinton in the 1990's pretty bad too. I think he is an "equal opportunity" basher.

I'm not at all that familiar

I'm not at all that familiar with Imus, but my guess is he has a dog in this fight, namely, supporting hospitalized veterans. Has he previously done fund raising for them, or sponsored any of their causes, etc? Sure sounds like it.

Imus was in the Marine Corp

Imus was in the Marine Corps in the 50's. Perhaps it's true that once a Marine, always a Marine.

Only if you want to claim t

Only if you want to claim that John Murtha is the exception that proves the rule.

Lee T.

U.S. Navy (ret.) / Hillsboro, Oregon

I have enough money to last me the rest of my life. Unless I buy something.

Oof -- touche. OK, "a

Oof -- touche. OK, "a**hole" trumps "jarhead."

He's still a blow hard - was

He's still a blow hard - was a bugler! Maybe he still knows "Taps" for the demolibs! 

There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V

Imus - military relationship

Imus gave $250,000 to the Intrepid Fallen Heroes Fund which assisted in building a Rehab center at Brooks Army Medical Center in San Antonio.

If he is a lib, atleast he wa

If he is a lib, atleast he walks the talk. More than I can say for most libs.

Im no Imus fan, but once in a

Im no Imus fan, but once in a while I catch him on MSNBC in the mornings. Most of the time he bides the liberal line, but once in a while he bites a lib in the a$$ and gives the what for. I for one am glad he called a spade a spade. We need more of that, esp., where our vets are concerned. Imus is a vet himself, if I remember right, and that may speak for why he baked Schumer. He saw grand standing for what it was, and called him on it.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

grandstandingI suspect every

grandstanding

I suspect every member of Congress in the last ten years, Dem and Repub, has at some point wrung their hands about insufficient funding of the V.A.  Yet somehow, not nearly enough got done about it.

Good for Imus.  The coal raking he gave Schumer applies to all of Congress.

Well put

Our servicemembers should get the best of everything in care. Damn fine thing the MSM has been calling out our reps on this.

Sometimes you go to war with the leadership you have- not the losership leadership you want.

Noel, on Veteran's budget #'s

Noel, on Veteran's budget #'s.  I might note - I was flying through this delicious post dying to see if you exposed the numbers that Imus was missing. Thank you.

Technically speaking, was not the 2001 budget, Clinton's last budget? That being the case - the budget was $45 billion as you noted. That represented a $2 billion cut from Clinton's 2000 budget.

Interesting to note that Bush's first budget, for 2002, has the Veterans at $51 billion - a $6 billion increase (13%). And then for 2003, another big whopper increase of $6 billion. All of this was before the Iraq war - Mr. Schumer.

In summary: Following Clinton's budget cuts for the Veterans, Bush came in with the big increases.

Footnote: someone have numbers on how many returning troops (Afghanistan and Iraq) have been treated at Veterans hospitals -  $20 billion in funding  would pan out to $3/4 million per patient for 30,000 patients.

Gary

Gary,

Well, to me, this has been another lie by the Democrats that the media have advanced. I bet you every person that either writes or participates in the netroots believes VA funding has declined since Bush got elected. And, if you try to present the budget data, they won't believe you.

Of course, ignoring actual facts and data is essential for a liberal, isn't it?  ns

Noel

I added a note - don't have time to go there???

And yes. Here's a question. Will anyone one in the mainstream media - look at the budget numbers and put it up for discussion? It very well might not be enought (although I suspect there's way too much waste and fraud - government in general) but it at least needs to be on the table for discussion - the facts, that is. (;~> gh

Noel- I believe you are confl

Noel- I believe you are conflating the issues of budget and management. When we have an administration that has "lost" billiions of cash dollars in Iraq- literally hundreds of tons in c-notes- that is a management issue, not a budgetary one. The budget was certainly there- where is the management? Do we hold our government responsible for management? WHen I give my kids allowances, they have to show me what they did with last week's money. What is our government doing with ours? By just citing what was budgeted, you miss the entire point. THis administration is being taken to task for what it does- NOT what is has been given to do that.  I thought true conservatives were focused on fiducial and fiscal responsibility, but this venue would just about prove otherwise.

Actually this VA budget canard has been around since 2003.

Actually this VA budget canard has been around since 2003.

The real issue with this lie is that the VA Unions have perpetuated it and the Democrats latched onto it as another way to bash the Administration.  The root cause is Union activism and politics.

The VA is closing hospitals (has been for years) because their target populations were declining as well as the physical plants being so out of date modern medicine could not easily or efficiently be practiced in them.  The VA is also building and expanding and rennovating hospitals.

The Unions hate the new reorganization and redistribution of assets by the VA and think that they aren't paid enough nor kept in jobs due to the realignments.

The VA is no picnic.  I know this.  But the fights over veterans health care comes down to dollars.  It is a fact the VA has been running short.  All of the politicians should be held accountable.

But to specifically blame the Bush Administration in terms of budget is fallacious.  To blame all the administrations, current and past, is more fair and Clinton certainly did nothing but kow-tow to the Unions and little to improve care.

ACA

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Not bashing budget but management

Iguana- we are in agreement on most points here. My initial point tis that when you consider budgets alone- and disregard management of a core federal level level government function- then you have a debate on the wrong issues. If this administration had prepared correctly for war- and it certainly had time to do so- then it would have taken into account the needs of returning veterans. Unfortunately, they did not- much in the same vein that they had plans and would DISCUSS no plans for a long term occupation. All was rosy, flowers in the streets, etc. Now the back end of this is that our vets are not being taken care of.

You state that Clinton is to blame for kow-towing to the unions: I would like to know how he did that. An immense health care system like the VA takes constant care and years to change.  If a peace time president doesn't focus enough on taking care of our vets, he should be held responsible. But is it not a more valid argument that a wartime president should have managed the best program to take care of soldiers his actions have put in place? Again, it is the management of the war or occupation now, which is a better term- that is under question. To go back a decade and ascribe current management to Clinton is a fallacious argument.

This entire line of argument

This entire line of argument is predicated on the presumption that the Bush administration was both in office in the budget years prior to the 9-11 attack and foresaw that attack.  Neither proposition is true.

These complaints being leveled at the VA are nothing new.  The VA Hospital system has been in a state of "benign neglect" for at least the last 30 years if not longer.  The total number and size of Hospitals have been declining for many years.  Every closure has involved a budget fight against the congressman and Senators who represent its district.  The resulting political compromises that have staved off closures have very often deferred needed maintenance from other hospitals to save the closure target.

The only interesting thing about this particular case is the leadership overseeing Walter Reed claims that there was enough money for maintenance but that it simply wasn't spent on maintenance.  This is why that individual as well as his supervisor got fred.

Again, Walter Reed is not a V

Again, Walter Reed is not a VA hospital. It is a DOD facility. And the management of the DOD- in all it's aspects, including the care of our fighters- is a cojoined issue.  When you look at the supplemental budget requests from the White House for Iraq, are they tied to veteran's benefits? ( I honestly don't know, but think not.) Consider Dr. Chu's comments, and tell me his concern is with our vets. No doubt we need to change the way we treat our veterans, and it is a decades-long problem. My father is WW2 vintage and gets better treatment than my Vietnam vet era neighbors. Why is that?

What I want to emphasize here is that there has been very little light shed on the management of not only this, but other highly important issues. Knowing this is a forum for the right, and given the  marked intellegence of many posters here,  I am still amazed at how little real discussion is accomplished. It is far easier to blame Liberals than to consider what could be better: a true dialogue is always preferable to a rant.

I guess I need to reiterate m

I guess I need to reiterate my third paragraph again.

There was plan and money available for the support of Walter Reed.   Bush, Rumsfeld, the Congress etc. were doing that part right, implying the left's [including yours] criticisms of Bush et. al. on that score are unfounded. 

When the maintenance problems were made public by the WaPo, in an obvious atempt to embarass the administration,   the Army fired the hospital superintendent whose responsibility it was to maintain the hospital and fired his supervisor, whose job was to oversee the hospital's superintendent in the performance of his duty.  This is called accountability, something sadly lacking in the previous administration.

So what is the problem here?

If it comes down to dollars

If it comes down to dollars, as you say, then maybe the government should just ship the dollars directly to the vets and get out of this aspect of the health care business. (I know, I'm saying the politically-unthinkable again.) Consider intellectually-applying every argument conservatives have ever made for "school choice for kids" to "hospital/doctor choice for veterans." What's the difference aside from changing (very-few) words?? Big government is very inefficient at supplying services like education & healthcare. To the extent that they must supply those things anyway, for whatever reason, the most efficient thing for them to do is to cut a check and (gasp!) let the free marketplace work, instead of creating another government bureaucracy everyone hates like the VA, which (you guessed it!) should be closed-down IMO. As a bonus, doing things my-way would also tend to make it MUCH harder for the government to hide how injured veterans are actually-treated from nonmilitary patients, and therefore from society. Another prediction for the record: "The bipartisan sweep it under the rug commission WILL NOT EVEN CONSIDER sarcasmo's idea."
JMR

Jeez! It's not dollars!

"If it comes down to dollars, as you say," is EXACTLY what I am not saying! It is management, management, management. This current management threw 10 Billion in cash on the streets of Iraq. and what did we get- a lousy Tshirt? That is my point- you can throw dollars down a rathole anytime. And we apparently will give this government unlimited dollars. Not budget- Management.

acaiguana said it, you didn

acaiguana said it, you didn't. My point is about choice, and getting rid of a giant bureaucracy. See my various other comments/correct-predictions on this thread & others for my view of the bipartisan scandal I call "the management issue." The waste in Iraq is separate waste I've also addressed elsewhere.
JMR

Being very anti-bureaucratic,

Being very anti-bureaucratic, I agree with your points here. Government has a tendency for complacency- that's why I don't deal with them in my small business. But dismantling something like the VA is ripe for abuse, and the current administration's ways and means of outsourcing prime functions is evidence of this. Management- and accountability- are key. I don't trust private industry at face value to step up to that plate. And I think that some federal functions, specifically taking care of our servicemembers, should stay with the government. BUT transparency and continual, accountable oversight is tantamount. And here's my liberal jibe: we ain't getting that now.

Nobody's talking about not-

Nobody's talking about not-taking-care of servicemembers! If you're anti-bureaucratic in real life, why support the continuation of this inefficient bureaucracy??? (This is what I love about the left -- they don't seem to see what they advocate in terms of what they actually DO! It's about as unintentionally-funny as a group like "Rage Against The Machine" working for Sony, which is perhaps the most-corporate of all the corporate music giants!)

And while I agree about this administration's peculiar penchant for spending/waste, it's not likely to get any-better anytime-soon no-matter who we're stuck-with if my predictions & antilibertarian mediabias hold. If "transparency and continual, accountable oversight" are truly what you want, why not try the free marketplace for once, instead of crooked politicians & bureucrats for that function??? Let's try this sarcasmo-idea to potentially-instantly save taxpayers money. Offer to cut acaiguana or whoever-else a check for 70% of whatever he currently costs government healthcare now, and see what they do. I predict a substantial number of them will take the check and still find adequate healthcare somewhere in the healthcare-marketplace, and it'll be the kind of healthcare they can immediately-fire by voting with their feet. Is there any system with better "transparency and continual, accountable oversight" than THAT???!?
JMR

MobiusStrip

MS,

So, you believe I'm conflating the issues of budget and management, do you?

Well, I believe what we have here is another example of a liberal with atrocious reading comprehension skills. After all -- and please either pay close attention, or get someone you know to help you with this -- here's what Schumer said:

Yes, it’s gotten much worse in the last seven or eight years because the funding was just cut, cut, cut, cut, cut. I get stories all the time of veterans wounded in Iraq, they get good treatment over in Iraq . . .The Veterans Administration has just been decimated in terms of funding and it’s unbelievable because...We’ll get full funding for the VA this year, for the first time.

Did you not understand this, or conveniently ignore it? Was Schumer talking about funding of the VA with these statements, or management?

Regardless of the answer, my point concerning a 60 percent rise in funding is therefore valid, and would have been another issue for Imus to bring up to refute Schumer's claims.

As for me missing the entire point, physician, heal thyself!  ns

The great part for me (yeah

The great part for me (yeah, I'll shut-up after this, I know it's another "I told you so") is that days ago, without even knowing the budget had risen (but that's the easy bet these days!) I was able to predict both higher spending and some-politician's (drat!!! Shoulda specified Schumer, he's an obvious choice!) clueless allegations to the contrary despite the inconvenient fact of more-money. Why, oh Lord, can I never do this just-once on the Florida Lottery when the jackpot gets big!!???!
JMR

Sarc

J,

And, the amazing thing is that you know we both agree that increased government funding is virtually NEVER the right answer to solving a problem. On the other hand, you also know that I quite agree the management of government funds is ALWAYS an atrocity, and certainly the case with the VA.

However, that's rarely the claim that you'll get from the left, because much as Schumer did on Friday, they're always pointing a finger at the budget regardless of how much spending has increased. And, they can't complain about the mismanagement of funds -- except as it pertains to the war -- because that opens the door for more conservative/libertarian concepts that destroy the liberal dream of a completely socialist America.   ns

NS

Noel,

Here's an interesting take on the Walter Reed situation, from someone who is currently there.

Note what he has to say about the bureaucracy, the "watchers" (Shumer et. al.) as well as where the maintenance funds for WRAMC went.  Oh, and the new modality of dealing with the press was rather typical, as well.

Blonde

B,

Good stuff. Thanks.  ns

Walter Reed and funding for it

You know come to think of it...(this may have already been mentioned before - and it's certainly no excuse for shabby hospital upkeep), but my brother works is project manager for some prosthetic limb rehab program that works with the Walter Reed Hospital and with the Rehab facility at Brooks Army Medical Center. He stated the reason they didn't build the rehab facility at Walter Reed was because they are going to completely rebuild Walter Reed, so they didn't want to waste the money on a new facility when the money would be needed in the completely new Walter Reed hospital that is in the plans.

Anyone else heard anything like that?

VA

I am a veteran that goes to the VA hospital in Washington, D.C. I have dealt with the VA for 30 years. They are vastly improved just over the last ten years, let alone 30 years. I was watching Neil Gabler on Fox tonight and started laughing at him. I could take him or Schumer blindfolded to the hospital here and let them look at some areas around the entrance to the hospital. They would most likely say they were at a homeless shelter or some such place. You fellow vets out there know what I mean. There are brothers out there that use the hospitals for their lifeline and casual visitors have no idea what goes on in or around them. Guys like Gabler and Schumer wouldn't even know where they were. And when they realized it would probably want the VA to clean the place up (meaning to get those weird looking guys out of there)!

Schumer

Schumer’s Motto:

Trust me. Uncle Chucky knows what’s best for you and America.

Since before the '04 electi

Since before the '04 elections, I've been hearing the demos hollering about Bush underfunding the VA. At steadily increasing levels in funding for the VA, how much underfunding can we be talking about? It's the usual smoke and mirrors when the liberals talk about cuts and underfunding in any program. If it doesn't increase at the same level every budget cycle, then it's a cut. If it's not funded at the level some agency asked for, then it's underfunded.

If the VA submitted a budget request for $80 billion and only got $72 billion, then the VA was underfunded by $8 billion dollars - according to democratics math.

If the VA budget was going up 10% a year and only increased 9% this year, then the VA budget was cut - according to democratics math.


Give a Democrat Party free America a chance!

John...Hey that's how dem's a

John...

Hey that's how dem's always do their math dontcha' know?

Then the leftist msn reports it with their rhetoric and on and on and on....talking points on television/radio and the spin never stops...

For them it's just plain facts because they say so!

LOL!

Btw....Great to see you again!

Getting some of that Global Warming your way?

Should be by now...dang I miss the desert this time of year!

(I'm still chucking in logs and stoking the fire!)

bt, I should really be ashame

bt, I should really be ashamed of myself for telling you this, but for the last three days it has been in the 70s here for highs.  It sure is tough to take, too. :-P

"A communist is someone who reads Marx.  An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx."  Ronald Reagan

MikeB...Ashamed my arse!LOL!E

MikeB...

Ashamed my arse!

LOL!

Enjoy my friend...I would be...I still can dream!

Ah...memories will have to do!

Count me in as one of Imus' d

Count me in as one of Imus' disenchanted viewers.  I got sick and tired of his derogatory comments and infantile name-calling of our president and vice president and kissing up to John Kerry, Chuck Shumer, Joe Biden et al so I finally just tuned him out.  Haven't seen the show in years but am glad to read he finally decided to take Shumer to account - what a master of double-speak - I did but I didn't - RIGHT!

Re: the budget ## - if I recall correctly, one of Bill Clinton's proudest achievements of his time in office was to diminish our military in every way possible...cutting manpower as well as dollars.  Let's see which of our MSM outlets will focus on that!  It takes a lot more time, effort and money to rebuild something that has been let go for so long.  Perhaps we would have had enough regular military and not had to call on the National Guard for the current middle east situation if Clinton hadn't decided America no longer needed a "ready" force.

I am proud of our servicemen and women and want to take this opportunity to say THANK YOU to each and every one of them!!

Chucky hasn't gone to Walter

Chucky hasn't gone to Walter Reed - has Palooney? She went to Iraq and spoke to the troops - What did they tell her? Still waiting to hear what happened behind those closed doors. Any of you lurking "reporters" want to take on that assignment?

Easy task - Ask the new Speaker - "When you went to Iraq, what did the troops there tell YOU about how they felt about YOUR Iraq plans?" - Any takers???

There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V

Great point Fast ....Come to

Great point Fast ....

Come to think of it, I haven't heard that from one of the Hill reporters asking her that either!

We won't .

If by chance they did, she always has Murtha or Ike Skelton there to answer for her...that is really getting old and the media never questions her about that either...it bothers the heck out of me, she never is by herself answering any questions when it comes to this war or the military in any way shape or form.

Piglosi

She won't say what the troops told her because its the opposite of what she wanted to hear >>>>and she is never by herself to discuss war or terrorists or anything else because she doesn't know anything.  Imagine her being president if anything happens to W or Cheney.

WRT Noel's Update at the bo

WRT Noel's Update at the bottom of this piece, does anyone else recall sarcasmo's 2 predictions here on NB the very-day this bipartisan scandal broke regarding actual-spending & what-politicians-would-blame for the problems despite-said-spending, in order not to have to discuss mismanagement? (Yep, for those who don't recall, it was yet-another bullseye.)
JMR

Noel,Great find. This is not

Noel,

Great find. This is not the first time I have heard about the susposed cuts President Bush made to the VA. In 04 and 05 I got into some heated arguments with liberals on Charlie Rose's old forums about that very subject. Liberal mindset of a budget cut is when the amount of INCREASE in the next year's budget is reduced. About the funniest liberal comment I heard during that debate when I pointed out that President Bush raised the VA budget by close to 30 percent from 2001 to 2004 was that those increases were eaten up by inflation President Bush's economic polices caused from the same period.

That's a lot of cash!

But Walter Reed is a DOD facility- different funding stream, til recently under Rumsfeld.  And if the money is really flowing- where are the results? Should we NOT be looking into these problems? Were there oversights before Nov. 7? Hmmm? Who was holding the wheel for these last years of war? This argument is another blame-the-blamers and shoot the messengers rile.

If there wasn't oversight b

If there wasn't oversight before Nov. 7, that indicates a bipartisan scandal (see 2 comments up) as I predicted here for-the-record on day-1. If money's really-flowing that means it's a management issue instead of anything Schumer's bleating-about, as I also-predicted on day-1 when this scandal broke. And there's already a bipartisan commission (which I could have easily also-predicted that day, for a sarcasmo-told-you-so hat-trick) to sweep this one under the rug ASAP.
JMR

good points, but

The hearings schedules have been held by the Republicans for 6 years, both Senate and House. Did any Repubs schedule an investigation, debate or other on this issue? This has been a Do Nothing and Shut Up congress. For six years, they sent no bill to the White House that merited more than a rubber stamp. For six years, no substantive debate by the Dems was allowed. When you say bipartisan, you infer equal power in decision making. Have we had that- and isn't it odd that the hyper-liberal MSM breaks this story and the Dems now are having hearings?

I'm sure all those poor Dem

I'm sure all those poor Democrats were entirely-silenced by their minority status. Riiiiight... And I'm not defending the incredibly-lousy Republican management of this issue by dissing the Democrats & dead-on predicting Schumer's behavior as I did, either. I get to do this, it's one of the few advantages of being a partisan-Libertarian around here, and the rest of you (at least until Matthew Sheffield gets tired of my rants) will just have to learn to deal with it.
JMR

Sarc:As long as you continu

Sarc:

As long as you continue to be civil and thoughtful, I can't see any reason for Matthew or Noel or anyone else to kick you out in response to your rants.

Lee T.

U.S. Navy (ret.) / Hillsboro, Oregon

I have enough money to last me the rest of my life. Unless I buy something.

Thanks, sir, but I suspect

Thanks, sir, but I suspect some might disagree with "civil and thoughtful" at times. :) Anyway, I really do try to be "fair and balanced," and in cases where my ox isn't getting directly-gored I think I do a passable job. But the rant below is a case where my ox isn't the only one being gored, because it's affecting the direction & ideas of a major political party, instead of the political pipsqueaks I happen to like.

I think the news media -- for their own reasons -- have been pushing northeastern RINO candidates so-damn-hard and so-damn-early that it's artificially affecting the political landscape of the Republican party itself. Naturally, Republican politicians like Gingrich & Thompson are, correctly, seeing an opening on the right in this election. No matter what the biased media do, "nature abhors a vacuum" and politics is nothing if not a state of nature. I just wish the news media would spend a bit of time covering all the candidates, even the non-RINO, non-media-annointed ones with actual ideas & principles. I know it might cost them a few lucrative minutes of Anna Nicole's corpse coverage, but I think it's worth-it for the future of the republic, if not the Republican party.
JMR

lnthomp

Lee,

What makes you think anyone's considering banning JMR aka Sarcasmo?   ns

MY HAT'S OFF TO IMUS!  He di

MY HAT'S OFF TO IMUS!  He did a marvelous job of unraveling the pompous and deceitful Schumer!

By the way, we've always heard from Murtha's office and the DP spinmeisters that Murtha visits the patients at Walter Reed every week.

If that's so, why didn't he see the situation there?  Hmmmm. . .

Don Imus' interviews with wit

Don Imus' interviews with with former Cheney staffer/Scooter Libby apologist Mary Matalin over the past couple of days have been even funnier and more scathing than what he did to Chuck Schumer.  He's just brutalized the poor woman on live television/radio. 

His most salient point:  Instead of raising millions of dollars online for a rich crook like Libby, Republicans should instead donate money to organizations that assist wounded soldiers and their families.