Documentary Exposing Global Warming Myths Stirs Media Controversy in England

Photo of Noel Sheppard.

As NewsBusters reported Saturday, a documentary skeptical about man’s role in climate change aired in Great Britain on Thursday. The show’s director, Martin Durkin, was interviewed by the British website Spiked the day after the program ran, and he had some rather harsh words for journalists and politicians that are haphazardly advancing the junk science surrounding this issue (emphasis mine throughout):

Durkin’s latest film has won him the accolade – or perhaps slur – of being the ‘anti-Al Gore’. Where the American president-who-never-was transformed his rather dull PowerPoint presentation on the threat of global warming into a marginally less dull big box office flickAn Inconvenient Truth – Durkin has directed a 90-minute made-for-TV movie that basically says: ‘Everything you know about global warming is wrong!’

The article wonderfully continued:

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Whatever viewers may have thought about the new theories put forward in Swindle to explain global warming (personally, I found the replacement of the widespread, all-encompassing manmade theory with an all-encompassing cosmic ray theory – sort of ‘It’s the Sun wot done it!’ – a little unconvincing), there’s no denying that the film poked some very big holes in the global warming consensus.

Professor Paul Reiter of the Pasteur Institute in Paris, one of the world’s leading experts on malaria, was a revelation. He explained how he had to threaten legal action against the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) to have his name removed from the list of ‘2,000 of the world’s leading scientists’ who apparently backed its summary published last month. The problem? Professor Reiter didn’t back it, instead arguing that it was a ‘sham’. The IPCC ‘make it seem that all the top scientists are agreed, but it’s not true’, he said.

As one might imagine, the airing of this documentary has caused quite a controversy:

Watching The Great Global Warming Swindle felt a little bit naughty, even subversive. You simply never hear stark criticisms of the politics of global warming in the mainstream media very much. And yet, as Durkin points out, the response to his film has pretty much been a shrill: How can Channel 4 show this stuff?!

Some people seem really outraged that 90 minutes of airtime was given to “the other side”’, he says. He describes as ‘surreal’ the accusation that Channel 4, in airing his film, is somehow distorting the debate about global warming. One commentator declared: ‘Channel 4 has done a huge public disservice. Or are they planning to show a follow-up that takes apart last night’s wayward thesis?’ (1) ‘These people talk about balance, but the environmentalist view is everywhere!’, says Durkin. Indeed, even Durkin’s film was not allowed to stand alone: earlier in the week Channel 4 showed a Dispatches documentary made by green Guardian columnist George Monbiot to ‘balance out’ Durkin’s film, and then repeated it again last night after Durkin’s film. So even when you get to criticise the prevailing view, you have to be sandwiched in between two slabs of Monbiot.

Durkin had more to get off his chest:

‘It shows that environmentalists and journalists can be utterly intolerant’, he says. ‘They simply will not tolerate any dissenting view. Straight away they try to take it down. You can see that in the kind of language they use – they say “the jury is in” on global warming, or “the science is done and dusted”, or you’re a “denier” if you question the consensus. This is not about having a debate but about shutting down debate.’

This is how the media in Britain responded to this documentary:

Indeed, many of Durkin’s critics have responded to The Great Global Warming Swindle by trying to slur Durkin and the participants in the film. Or they have gone running to the Office of Communications (Ofcom) to demand that it rap Durkin’s knuckles – a bit like overgrown school sissies squealing to teacher about the boy they don’t like in the hope that teacher will give him a jolly good thrashing.

Sound familiar? But there’s more:

Before the film aired, a contributor to a green-leaning website advised fellow contributors to keep an eye out for who is due to appear in the film ‘and more importantly who they work for’ (my italics). This sums up the approach of trying to demolish the arguer rather than his argument, to expose people’s alleged funding or leanings rather than to take up the substance of what they say. (For what it’s worth, most of the participants in the film said they hadn’t received a penny from oil companies, much as they would have liked to.)

In today’s Guardian, Zoe Williams seems to make a sly dig at one of the participants (Professor Tim Ball) on the basis that he is from Winnipeg. Apparently, being based on Farringdon Road in central London is a far better qualification for commenting on climate change, even if you are a ditzy la-la columnist and the weird Winnipeg man a professor of climatology (2). (Durkin points out the irony of people ‘exposing’ that he doesn’t have a background in science. If everyone who doesn’t have a background in science was forbidden from researching or talking about global warming, he says, then that would mean silencing some of the leading environmentalist thinkers and just about every newspaper columnist, who can always be relied upon to churn out an ‘I’m Scared of Global Warming and So Should You Be!’ column despite not knowing what a test tube is.)

The article marvelously concluded:

The various attempts to have him shut up, denounced, sacked or whatever speak to a worryingly censorious climate in the climate change debate. And whatever the sceptics in the Swindle film might think, such a climate has not come about as a result of a handful of greens conspiratorially plotting to take down Durkin and anyone else who stands in their way. Rather, it is a product of a broader, society-wide attitude of ‘You can’t say that!’ in relation to discussions of global warming, development, man’s intervention in nature and the future of humanity itself. If we want a proper debate about these issues, we need an open and rigorous public life, rather than sneaky accusations of secret conspiracies and demands for censure.

As a comical aside, Durkin originally wanted to name the documentary “Apocalypse My Arse,” “but in the end we decided on ‘The Great Global Warming Swindle’. It’s a provocative title, which helps with ratings.”  

 

—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters.


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I'm watching the Google Video of the documentary now. It's tremendous. I also posted a complementary article entitled, "Is Al Gore's Inconvenient Fiction a $250 Billion Scam?"

It relates to Al Gore's use of "carbon offsets" to make up for his incredible energy consumption. Wanton profiteering appears to be at the very heart of "carbon offsets." Put simply, a wide range of respected scientists, environmentalists, researchers, agriculturalists, and activists believe that carbon offsets are a "scam", "fantasy", "fiction", "nonsense", "fraudulent" and worse. And they've been saying so since 2000, though to read the newspaper you wouldn't know it.

Any bets on how long before

Any bets on how long before this video is silenced by the left?

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A day without NewsBusters is like a day without sunshine.

I'm downloading the video, so

I'm downloading the video, so if its taken off of Google vidoe I can put up somewhere else, I'll probably wait to see if they take it off of Google Video to put it up somewhere else. They might take it off for legitimate reasons, or evil corrupt reason after all Google has been proven to be evil in China, either way I don't think its gonna stay there for long.

THANKS!!!!!

I just downloaded it myself, terrific!

Shut up and blog! If you claim to be a conservative, please don't disgrace yourself and conservatism by thinking and arguing like a liberal. Go Rudy!

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Check the Chairman's name

Could Al Gore be paying Chairman Al Gore for Carbon Offset?

Great Documentary

Finally, somebody is able to bring some truth to the "debate" over the global warming. I found it very interesting and revealing. Sadly this will probably never get airtime in the US, except maybe bits and portions on FNC and maybe the Glenn Beck Show on HLN.

I just got through watching

I just got through watching it. I would recommend it to everyone with an ounce of intelligence.

It blows algored completly out of the water, but as the film states, The GW movement is all about the money.

1st,I just got done watching

1st,

I just got done watching this as well.

A couple of things stood out to me.

Manbearpig and his big walking graph....interesting, wasn't it, that even though CO2 and temperature increases/decreases go hand in hand over time....that temperature and not CO2 is the leading indicator, by several hundred years?  Not the other way around? 

An appalling statistic was that 4 million (!) children die each year due to no electricity and the resultant use of indoor fires.  That is pathetic.

Deepthroat said it best....follow the money.  This whole "climate change" religion is about nothing more than money....the third world is to get "renewable" sources of energy to modernize....like that poor African doctor who had solar power and could either have a lightbulb or his refrigerator on.  Al Gore should hide his head in shame.  It's all about the money.

Finally, for a most unfunny finale, if you click Noel's link to "about" the documentary....87% of the people responded to the vote question that they believed humans are at fault.

Color me flabberghasted.

What got me Blonde, was tha

What got me Blonde, was that everything they presented made sense. I have been a Mechanical Engineer for more years than I want to think about  and everything added up.

The CO2 curve SHOULD follow the warming curve, Duh. The warmer it is the more living things there are to produce it.

They put the cause of the warming and cooling cycles squarley where it belongs, The huge Fusion Reactor at the center of our solar system, The Sun.

But the best part was they explained why there are so many rabid propents of GW, Yep, MONEY.

1st,It was a really interesti

1st,

It was a really interesting documentary...not that we're likely to ever see it broadcast here in the States.

How did you like the shots of Al Gore, in the back of his limo(!) looking all serious?  What an idiot.

1st,Let me give you a few mor

1st,

Let me give you a few more insights into the bunk. 

Heat transfer:  as a Mech E, you ought to remember something about this from your baccalaureate education.  There are only three mechanisms that transfer heat in the universe:  Convection, conduction and radiation in that order of efficiency.  The global warming people are telling you that the least effective of these three terms, radiative heat transfer is the dominant term preventing heat from escaping from the Earth.  If you recall your physics, you know this is garbage.  Convection is the dominant term by several orders of magnitude over conduction which is dominant by over radiance.  In the Earth's atmosphere we have winds, thermals and most importantly, precipitation.  This is all convection.

Next.  paleoclimatology:  Earth has a lengthy geologic climate history which we have a pretty good picture of, especially the last half million years or so.  Looking at the past, we see that today, Earth is relatively COLDER than it has been historically.  Moreover, the Earth's climate has been constantly varying for the last 500 Million years.  The AGW alarmists are asking you to believe that the variations in climate we see today are both greater over time and mostly caused by man.  The first proposition can be seen to be clearly false by examining the paleoclimate record.  It contains variations both  vastly greater in amplitude AND more sudden that what we see now.   The second implies that somehow, with the dawn of industrial man, natural climatic variations of the scale seen in the paleclimate history have suddenly stopped.  This implies man started controlling the climate some 300 years ago and is an absurdity.

enjoy.

Thank you for mentioning pale

Thank you for mentioning paleoclimatology. So few people cite the past of Earth when dealing with the issue of "global warming". Although, it's certain that any global warming activist would discount paleoclimatology. I know this from experience, from speaking with a global warming believer. Bringing up the topic of the past is just inviting insults and slurs. So, just in case any global warming activist tries to discount paleoclimatology, I have three words for them pertaining to a far more recent event: Medieval Warm Period.

NL...I thought conduction w

NL...

I thought conduction was the most efficient. At least that's what I remember from engineering school.

BTW, I would suggest saving

BTW, I would suggest saving this along with the viewer because I have a feeling it ain't going to be available for long.

I just finished watching it

I just finished watching it. My pick for best quote of the film would be Patrick Moore, Co-Founder of Greenpeace saying (in reference to modern environmentalists) "I think it's legitimate for me to call them 'anti-human'."

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A day without NewsBusters is like a day without sunshine.

I watched it too as I menti

I watched it too as I mentioned on another similar thread. So glad to see this. I actually applauded when I heard Mr. Blue Sky at the end...nice touch. And so it amounts to a power grab between the leftist elite (and ignorant) and those other of us who at the very least want some balence in this debate.

Yes, oh sure Big Oil, Big Gas (excuse me, ha) , big this big that. Doesn't that alone seem suspicious? I mean we just got done causing the Soviets to say uncle and now we want to be frickin socialists?! I say no!!! Give me liberty or give me death...hey sounds catchy. Great film.

Give me liberty or give me de

Give me liberty or give me death

Wow, thats an awesome line, can I quote you?

Coitenly. OK I confess, I t

Coitenly. OK I confess, I think Patrick Henry may have said it first.

How would I go about contacti

How would I go about contacting this Patrick Henry to ask him if I can use his quote, sounds like a bright feller this Mr. Henry...

AR re: Patrick Henry

AR re: Patrick Henry, I would you suggest you ask Thomas Paine where to find Patrick. It's just Common Sense.

An ugly American is one who does not support his country.

Ok just so no Ignorant slob t

Ok just so no Ignorant slob thinks I was being serious and thinks I'm ignorant, it was a joke. 'Cause I know some people just can't tell sarcasm apart from seriousness.

Hey

Hey-- I'm not just some ignorant slob, I'm a special ignorant slob.

An ugly American is one who does not support his country.

misterbill,Glad to see you ba

misterbill,

Glad to see you back here....I was a tad worried when I hadn't seen you in a while.

You are no slob, sir.

You are a very special gentleman.

AR, you could try using a Oui

AR, you could try using a Ouija board.  Yes, I knew you were joking when I read it.

"A communist is someone who reads Marx.  An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx."  Ronald Reagan

I figured most people would k

I figured most people would know I was joking, but I've had people think I'm a complete idiot in the past because of things like that.

Ouija board eh? Last time I used one of those when I was trying to contact Capernicus and got Galelio instead, not the most reliable form of transpirtual communication out there, personally I prefer the seance method, more likely to conjure up Satan but far more reliable.

Just trying to wierd you out with that one.

It is just superb. Listened to the full 1:15 today

Certainly head and shoulders over anything I have seen to date on it.

Worth the time investment to get the facts down, even if you only have a passing interest in the subject. Hopefully it will go viral.

A very minor disappointment was that there was not much of an examination of the really big money involved, i.e. the carbon credits, UN taxes (proposed), potential reparations, and other big ticket items. Or the implications of the UN effectively taking oversight control of the world economy using carbon dioxide as an excuse. These are the real drivers of this, not a few piddly billion in research money, although that certainly plays a role.

That aside, the video is simply awesome. Watch it, and spread it to others.

Does anyone know if Miles O'

Does anyone know if Miles O'Brien, one of the most hysterical, virulent, militant, earth worshipping dupes/fools at so-called CNN, has said anything about this documentary?

Meanwhile Back at the Ranch

Meanwhile back at the ranch, in a related setting-the-record straight story, some might have heard that Dubya and Mrs. Dubya's house is much more eco-friendly than the Gores.  Here are the details:

"In politics, people don't always practice what they preach," Marlo Lewis, Jr., a senior fellow at the conservative Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI), told Cybercast News Service on Wednesday.

"It's interesting that Bush seems to actually practice conservation, while Gore seems to want to buy his way out of his obligations," said Lewis, referring to the purchase of offsets for carbon emissions attributed to the high power use in Gore's 20-room mansion.

An April 2001 article in USA Today described the president's 4,000-square-foot single-story limestone house in Crawford as an "eco-friendly haven."

"Wastewater from showers, sinks and toilets goes into purifying tanks underground -- one tank for water from showers and bathroom sinks, which is so-called 'gray water,' and one tank for 'black water' from the kitchen sink and toilets," it said. "The purified water is funneled to the cistern with the rainwater."

In addition, "the Bushes installed a geothermal heating and cooling system, which uses about 25 percent of the electricity that traditional heating and air-conditioning systems consume."

Are you paying attention John girlie-man Edwards?

Source

ac,Excellent post.Did you wat

ac,

Excellent post.

Did you watch the anti-Gore video (one hour, fifteen minutes)?

One of my favorite parts was Al Bore, riding in the back of a limo (gives new meaning to limo libs, yes?) looking at a laptop and trying to appear to be so serial, um, serious.

All of this green stuff is interesting, and if it is actually done for reasons of saving money (for the homeowner) I'm all for it.

Otherwise....well, you get my drift.

fighting redneck media bias

do you guys even know what carbon offsets are? it's not just paying someone. you pay someone to reduce their carbon-dioxide levels, so that despite your high levels, the overall level stays the same. the only difference is that gore knows how to enjoy life in his mansion while bush is still trying to figure out how to say "nuclear"

if you think it's unjust for gore to buy his way out, guess what!!! life's not fair!!! the rich get more comforts than we do.

if you think it's unjust for gore to buy the offsets from himself, guess what!! not all of the money goes to him. most goes to paying people to reduce their carbon levels, and some goes to overhead. in any case, he's still paying and if he can make money while reducing carbon levels, how is that bad.

finally, it's interesting that you're yelling at gore for polluting and praisng bush for not polluting when you don't even believe in global warming. get your story straight.

Please, oh please, EZ Rider..

Please, oh please, EZ Rider....

Explain this to us.

We are so eager to learn!

How does Al Gore work the carbon offsets?

We're waiting, liberal purveyor of wisdom.

Lay it down here, guy.  I'm breathless with antici.....pation (h/t N.S.).

I'd call ezryder a faggot but then

Yawn.  Now DUmmie is sending us their socially-promoted cream of the crop.  This latest clown can barely write cogent sentences, and definitely has an insult deficiency.  "Redneck?"  hahaha!   Wow, I'm SO insulted.  I'd call him a faggot, but then I'd have to go to rehab.

Oh yes, rehab for you RJ.They

Oh yes, rehab for you RJ.

They're pathetic.  Totally, totally pathetic.

I like that phraseology from you, tho....."socially promoted cream of the crop".

Kind of like John Edwards?

Who, the prissy, primping

Who, the prissy, primping, Breck Girl?  (or do you prefer Silky Pony?)

RJ,I prefer "Breck Girl&

RJ,

I prefer "Breck Girl".

My uncle worked for American Cyanamid.

Al Gore pays other people t

Al Gore pays other people to reduce their emissions, so the overall amount of CO2 is the same as if he had never emitted any CO2.

Oh sh*t....someone send the p

Oh sh*t....someone send the paramedics.

I've choked and am on my way to death from laughter here.

Help me danbo!!!!!

The naivete is staggering

The naivete is staggering.

No kidding!I almost choked on

No kidding!

I almost died over that one.

Seriously, HELP ME DANBO!Did

Seriously, HELP ME DANBO!

Did you see this?

I'm done.  Done!

Al Gore pays for no one in th

Al Gore pays for no one in this world but Al Gore.  It really is too bad you are falling hook, line, and sinker for his Left-wing populism.

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

really? would you be kind e

really? would you be kind enough to tell me where you got this information?

Do your own research Lazy Troll!

Do your own research Lazy Troll!

Hint: Research does not mean "Let DailyKOS tell you what to think."

.

Goodnight all! ;-)

Oh, I'll give you a break, ezryder

Oh, I'll give you a break, EZ. 

He meant that Algore owns the company he buys his "credits" from.  Pretty good scam, huh?.  Create the "problem", then provide the "solution" to the suckers. 

On that subject, my favorite story is that Oscar attendees, including Algore, received a goodie bag that included enough so-called "credits" for each of them to travel guilt-free in private jets for a year.

Come on, ez, by now you must have begun to join us in mocking laughter at these foolish emperors without clothing.

ezryder-1,You can start right

ezryder-1,

You can start right here.

And the Roman Catholic Church

And the Roman Catholic Church once sold indulgences to wealthy sinners so they did not have to mend their ways!

Bingo. Where is Martin Lut

Bingo.

Where is Martin Luther when you need him?

Merry Christmas 2007.

So you admit Al Gorleone is a

So you admit Al Gorleone is a flaming, and I mean ASS-ON-FIRE hypocrite?

fighting redneck media bs

you guys are wrong. there are only a few random incidences where a spike in temperature occurs before a spike in carbon-dioxide levels, and that temperature increase was the result of a previous carbon-dioxide rise, as you can see in one of the movie clips.

second of all, warm temperatures don't increase carbon-dioxide levels, because animals usually don't die of cold, and in any case, warm temperatures also benefit plants, which would suck up any excess carbon-dioxide created by an increased animal population.

finally, you rednecks can't keep your story straight. first you say the earth isn't even heating up, because in your hometown of redneckville, kansas, there were record low temperatures!!! then you say that there is warming, but it's caused by the sun.

our story stays consistent.

Oh fabulous.Another one post

Oh fabulous.

Another one post troll.

Ta ta.

so... do you have anything

so... do you have anything relevant to say?

Yes. I do.How about you, litt

Yes. I do.

How about you, little troll?

You didn't watch the video....but think you can come here and comment with the grown ups?

Try again.

Blondie. You know a lot more

Blondie. You know a lot more about how the oceans absorb radiation than the trolls.

As you dive. Which color goes 1st? At about 10 feet. What's above that? Where does the heat of AGW come in? 3/4 of the globe is covered with?

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.”   H.L. Mencken

Come on danbo....Where were y

Come on danbo....

Where were you fifteen minutes ago when I was choking to death?  I gave out the big scream...."help me danbo!".

Red, of course, then yellow.

At sixty feet, or thereabouts, depending upon the water clarity, everything goes blue or blue/green.

Help me danbo!  The trolls (global warmers) are killing me!

Blonde Sorry. Been out all da

Blonde Sorry. Been out all day and catching up.

Yes as you descend the 1st to go is red. There is something we can't see in the spectrum. Infa red. It gets absorbed even quicker. Nearer the surface. Where the heat is lost by evaporation.

The infrared radiation penetrates but a few millimeters into the ocean. This means that the greenhouse radiation from the atmosphere affects only the top few millimeters of the ocean. Water just a few centimeters deep receives none of the direct effect of the infrared thermal energy from the atmosphere! Further, it is in those top few millimeters in which evaporation takes places. So whatever infrared energy may reach the ocean as a result of the greenhouse effect is soon dissipated.

Source:

3/4 of the planet is coverd by water. How the oceans absorb the sun's heat effects climate.

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.”   H.L. Mencken

In short. According to this.

In short. According to this. You have the sun effecting the oceans (3/4 of the planet) to a dept of hundreds of feet. The IR ban only to a few MM's. The radiant heat being bounced back by greenhouse is mainly in the IR band.

This great show only scratched the surface of the issue.

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.”   H.L. Mencken

Danbo Where does the heat of AGW come in?

Q. "Where does the heat of AGW come in?"

A. AGW means Al Gore Windbag and most of the heat comes from the rear.

Q. 3/4 of the globe is covered with?

A. Judging from ezryders posts, it comes from bull excrement.

Danbo, those were easy--ya got any hard ones?

An ugly American is one who does not support his country.

Misterbill. I love AGW=Al Gor

Misterbill. I love AGW=Al Gore Windbag.

If you haven't seen this yet. You might appreciate it.

Al Gore's Penguin Army

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.”   H.L. Mencken

ezryder...Did you even take t

ezryder...

Did you even take the time to watch the video?

The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.

i watched some of the clips

i watched some of the clips, but i haven't seen the whole thing.

please tell me if there was someting relevant i'm missing. i want to be on the side of truth.

Watch the whole hour and 15 m

Watch the whole hour and 15 minutes, then pass it on to your friends. Adult education should be shared.

The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.

Try watching the documentary

Try watching the documentary yourself, open your eyes to the truth. Drop your Global warming cultist beliefs and walk in the light of science, allow yourself to actually understand the issues and our side of things before trying to discredit us instead of being brainwashed by the Gore and his followers.

Sorry about that, I'm feeling weird today so my comment above may seem a little.. off.

Why are you reducing your argument to an insult? If you actually believed your statements to be valid why would you attack us personally? I'm not a redneck, if you saw me you would probably think I'm a hippy, and if you heard me you wouldn't be able to even come close to guessing where I'm from. Just because we don't agree, just because we have conservative and libertarian leanings doesn't mean we are ignorant southerners. But I shouldn't have to bother even explaining that we aren't rednecks to you because there is no reason for you to attack us personally.

sorry for attacking you per

sorry for attacking you personally. won't do it again. hippies are awesome.

but seriously, from what i've seen, the temperature increases they cite as causing carbon-dioxide levels to increase are mismatched. it doesn't take 800 years for temperature levels to respond to carbon-dioxide levels

tell me if i'm wrong...

If you watched the video you

If you watched the video you would know that your last sentence in the second paragraph is backwards.

The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.

sorry. whatever. but really

sorry. whatever. but really, temperature couldn't cause carbon-dioxide levels to go up that much, because first of all, organisms don't generally die of cold. and anyway, plants would increase too, and in any case, why would it take 800 years?

finally, while the sun makes the planet warrmer, there are gaps in the correlation, probably caused by carbon-dioxide.

The more you write the nuttie

The more you write the nuttier you are sounding. Here's a friendly tip...

WATCH THE WHOLE VIDEO! Education is a wonderful thing.

The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.

EZ,You are too easy.Do you ha

EZ,

You are too easy.

Do you have an inkling?

Go back to grade school....then come here and attempt to post.

You are pathetic, in your reasoning.

Do you have any backing for

Do you have any backing for why I'm pathetic, or are you just saying it for fun?

Find me some contradictory evidence.

I'm not speaking for Blonde h

I'm not speaking for Blonde here, but for me it would be fun!

The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.

Clear,Have at it....Why you t

Clear,

Have at it....

Why you think I think this child is pathetic.

I am continually amazed by the DKos children here.

Unbelievable.

Blonde...They get their info

Blonde...

They get their info from very dubious sources and then are told about an evil site where conservatives discuss bias in the media and current events. Then they are told to go to the site and raise hell for "the cause", whatever the hell the cause is for the day.

I think it's shameful that they send their young here to get slaughtered.

Like I said earlier. liberals...silly people!

The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.

Tell you what, little troll.G

Tell you what, little troll.

Go watch the whole hour and fifteen minutes of this video....then YOU get back to me.

What the hell do you think this site is all about?  Educate the idiots?

Blonde 2; Troll 0

Blonde: 2

EZtroll: 0

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"George W. Bush simply reminds leftists everyday what they will never be. And they hate him for it." --Tammy Bruce

Gotta disagree.Blonde has a l

Gotta disagree.

Blonde has a lot more than 2 . Closer to 10.

Scientifically challenged troll 0.

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.”   H.L. Mencken

ez

ez-- respectfully--watch the entire video. I am a former GWer. I would mutter under my breath very time I saw an SUV,etc. I took the time over the last 6 months to read everything I could. GW is not a fact, it is a business. Again, please watch the entire video. Some of my other info came from the history channel as I was watching Middle Ages history and bubonic plague, etc., a great deal of information  was stated that I decided to research. I am no longer a believer. I am appalled at the way that some people feed on the fears of others.

My theme song is "I got Sunspots". You will understand after you watch the video.

An ugly American is one who does not support his country.

"because first of all, o

"because first of all, organisms don't generally die of cold."

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ........

No no, seriously, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha .......


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You are wrong.It's the other

You are wrong.

It's the other way around.....

Temperature is the leading indicator.

CO2 lags by 800 years or thereabouts.

Tell it to your good pal, Al Bore.

Try again.

the spikes shown in the vid

the spikes shown in the video were mismatched. anyway, if you say temp causes carbon-dioxide leves to go up because animal populations increase, why would it take 800 years.

temperature wouldn't cause carbon-dioxide levels to go up because warm temperatures help plants also, which eats up carbon-dioxide. and in any case, animals don't generally die of cold.

Hello!Did you sleep through s

Hello!

Did you sleep through seventh grade biology?

The spikes were rather nicely correlated, particularly as shown by your hero, manbearpig.  As he walked across the stage.

Too bad for him that temperature preceded CO2 increases, by several hundred years.

Try again, EZ.

Um, yes it would, BTW.  Temperature increase  would cause a huge release of CO2 from the oceans.

Sheesh. 

Blonde, this kid is just typing words like a monkey

Blonde, you can tell from the way this kid is writing that he's copying from some moonbat site that is trying to discredit the video.  He has absolutely NO idea of what he's talking about, just typing words like a monkey.

Sheesh, RJ.Right you are.I am

Sheesh, RJ.

Right you are.

I am far more tired than I thought if I couldn't figure that out for myself.

I came up with all of this

I came up with all of this on my own. Search the internet if you want.

Way, way past your bedtime, s

Way, way past your bedtime, son.

If you came up with that "all by yourself", you should have your parents request a refund on your kindergarten tuition.

How sad.

Blonde: 3EZtroll: 0 (techni

Blonde: 3

EZtroll: 0 (technically, he's at -2)

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If you look closely at the

If you look closely at the graph, you do see that the spikes are staggered.

But it's not clear whether the CO2 levels or the temperature levels came first.

and even if temperature increases do cause an increase in CO2 levels, doesn't mean that CO2 levels don't cause an increase in temperature.

do you think that hundreds of great scientists from different countries with advanced technology never thought of this?

Personally when I saw the gra

Personally when I saw the graph from what I could tell there is almost no correlation, but then again, my biggest complaint about the documentary is that they presented the graphs poorly. Besides correlations are scientifically meaningless, I guess you've never seen the Pirate Regalia/Hurricane strength graph though, google Flying spaghetti monster to see it.

If CO2 causes significant temp increase and temp increase creates significant CO2 increases. Of course this statement is common sense, not necessarily science.

and even if temperature increases do cause an increase in CO2 levels, doesn't mean that CO2 levels don't cause an increase in temperature.

Your right, but the point was to show that there is no scientific evidence of CO2 levels leading to an increased global temp.

Oh and really, it seems that you have the time to watch the video from begining to end if you can argue with us so much, so watch it. Especially the last 15 minutes or so, though the end is more emotion then reason based, its very moving.

I agree that they didn't pr

I agree that they didn't present graphs very well. Correlations are scientifically meaningless, which of course means we can't prove global warming, or much else, is true, but since the odds are fairly high, we should act as if it is true.

I think I will watch the video. Thanks for being rational. And Flying Spaghetti Monster is awesome.

You should PM once you watch

You should PM once you watch it to tell me what you think about it, I'm very curious to know what you think of it. Its been a pleasure but I'm done for the night.

Actually, I think the Church

Actually, I think the Church of the FSM is at venganza.org.  Or something like that.  How come NO ONE in the MSM wants to address the clear correlation between the disappearance of pirates and GW?

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

I didn't really want to try t

I didn't really want to try to explain the 800 year gap things, as I'm bad at explaining science, but I'll attempt. The ocean has stuff in it that generates CO2 when warm, the ocean takes a very long time to warm, about 800 years. At least thats how I understood it. Someone more sciencey may want to try a swing at explaining it to you though.

Die of cold? I don't understand what that has to do with anything. Please elaborate. I honestly have no idea what dieing of cold has to do with anything.

The dying of cold thing cam

The dying of cold thing came from another post where someone said that warmer temperatures increased animal populations which increased CO2 levels.

The thing about oceans releasing CO2 makes sense. But that doesn't mean that increased CO2 levels don't increase temperature.

It's like deja-vu all over again

EZ, you remind me of somebody. Do you attend a third rate college or are you stuck in a dead-end job?

"It's like deja-vu all over again" -- Yogi Bera

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Well animals sometimes do die

Well animals sometimes do die from the cold. I once came across a duck that had somehow gotten itself frozen in a stream but was still alive...really! I managed to chop around the ice without killing it and we brought it inside to thaw out. Later we decided the duck was to stupid to live so we cooked and ate it..very tasty.

mandrake...Wow! You too?I tho

mandrake...

Wow!

You too?

I thought my guy and I were the only one's who had that experience...we were going to video it and send it to National Geo but were drinking too much and hungry to-boot...

Of course there was one difference ours was a Canadian Goose!

LOL!

But that doesn't mean that

But that doesn't mean that increased CO2 levels don't increase temperature

Yes it does.

The point (in the documentary) wasn't being made from the question of "Is one thing
following the other?", but from the fact that the data showed the CO2
to be following the temp and so the question was "Why?" The logic was
to study what is known about the things that produce CO2 as well as the
things themselves.

I mean think about it, how can a thing be demonstrated that does not even demonstrate itself?

It's ironic to me that from the Liberal mindset the whole "conspiracy theory" of anything came, yet when a conspiracy is clearly demonstrated (in the Secular Progressive/Liberal camp--call it, "U.N.") even the otherwise intelligent Liberals cling blindly to the ongoing fantasy. I suppose that it has much to do with the belief that there will never be another Hitler because we are just not that gullible anymore, but better watch out because this monstrous thing is a platform for a madman (or manbearpig, whatever)

The Two 900 Pound Gorillas in the Room FINALLY Recognized

Swindle finally "outs" the two 900 lb gorillas of climate change - solar activity and the ocean - rightly claiming that most all climate change is driven by these two goliaths. The AGW crowd sweeps variations in solar output under the rug and talks about climate change like the Earth's surface was 75.6% dry land - which of course is just the opposite - the Earth's surface is covered 71% by ocean and 4.6% by rivers, lakes, streams and wetlands - all containing CO2 absorbing water (to an average ocean depth of 3.7KM!). And any freshman Chemistry student knows cold water holds more CO2 in solution than does warm water. If indeed CO2 were as an important climate driver as the AGW gang would have us believe we'd have either been frozen or cooked long ago in a massive positive CO2 feedback cycle....more CO2=more heat = more CO2 = more heat...ad infinitum OR less heat = less CO2 = less heat...ad infinitum. Many thanks to BBC 4 for a great documentary!

adapt, adopt and improve

And rotting plants give off c

And rotting plants give off carbon-dioxide.

Watch the video!

The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.

Peace brutha! Don't be so ho

Peace brutha! Don't be so hostile man! We just want the truth. Question authority man! Liberal media is the new-authority now man!

Peace brutha! Don't be so ho

I hate double posting

The Vostok Ice core data says

The Vostok Ice core data says exactly the opposite of this.  Temperature increase LEADS CO2.  Moreover, it shows that after tempratures have once again fallen, it takes some time for the CO2 levels to fall again.

Data.  ==>  You are factually incorrect.  Since you are incorrect, your reasoning must also be false.

There are also places on th

There are also places on the graph that suggest CO2 causes temperature increases, and the graph shown is only from one time period.

The graph shown covers the EN

The graph shown covers the ENTIRE Vostok dataset, which is limited to the last 420,000 years. 

Get the text data set out.  Its available online.  Show me where this interpretation of yours is true.

The graph shown doesn't cov

The graph shown doesn't cover the entire thing, just part of it, even though they have the entire data set. They just didn't show it. If you look at the graph, there are carbon spikes before temperature spikes too.

I agree that temperature increases cause CO2 increases, but I also agree that CO2 increases cause temperature increases.

That graph has the entire dat

That graph has the entire data set in condensed form.  Since you are so clever, you tell me how they got all 420,000 data points onto a plot small enough to fit in the space provided.

And, that graph is not just the Vostok data.  read the footnotes.  The recent CO2 "spike" is not derived from ICE core measurements.  the last 50 years or s of CO2 data in that graph came from the South Pole Air Flask.  Some might argue that its apples to oranges to the ice core data.

sorry for attacking you perso

sorry for attacking you personally. won't do it again. hippies are awesome.

Good, thank you, though hippies aren't awesome, they are dirty and smelly, I merely look like a hippy, I don't smell like one nor do I have the same level of filth coverage.

I wish to offer you the suggestion that you capitalize at the begining of each sentence, makes comments more readable.

Oh and, I understand if you don't want to watch the video, its fairly long and if you don't have the time its understandable, though if you can you really should watch it, but the correlation does look to be true on the graphs they present and they explain why its true very well. I would try to explain it, but I am sure I would fail miserably.

Thanks for being a reasonab

Thanks for being a reasonable person even though i wasn't and we have different opinions.

This is not merely a matter o

This is not merely a matter of differing opinions.  Those who hold YOUR opinion also support a fascist extension of government power over all energy production on a planetwide scale.   Their various proposals have included surrender of US sovreignty to the UN, international carbon taxes, energy rationing, Orwellian regulation of what most of our citizens perceive as daily life and the reversion of human propsperity back to the level of the late 19th century.  This is tyranny on a scale unmatched even by the Soviets under Stalin.

And this doesn't even consider that fact that this 'climate science' is just plain wrong.

It should not surprise you that conservatives are unwilling to impose this kind of tyranny, since conservatves are the last remaining defenders of the classical liberal tradition as expressed by Locke.   Democrats give great lip service to individual liberty, yet at the same time propose to extinguish same to save mankind from this phony crisis.

I don't necessarily support

I don't necessarily support what other people who believe in global warming support. I just think we need to decrease our emissions. In any case, if it weren't for liberals, we would be living under absolute monarchs. Locke was a liberal in his day.

Locke looks like a freakin' c

Locke looks like a freakin' conservative by today's standards.  If Leftists had their way, everyone's lives would be under the thumb of The Big Nanny State you so dream about, funded of course by the legalized stealing from those that are successful.

Leftists don't hate tyranny.  The LOVE it and crave it, because they don't trust people.

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

Okay comparing an enlightenme

Okay comparing an enlightenment age liberal to a modern liberal is silly. If you are going to call Locke a liberal you might as well call me a liberal. The modern meaning of liberal has been considerably distorted, nowadays we would call the enlightenment thinkers Libertarians.

I know I said I was done for the night, but I guess I was wrong. Help, I'm addicted :(

The liberals of today are no

The liberals of today are no more than yesterday's fascists.  Locke has nothing in common with those who use the name of his philosophy today.  His ideas of government are completely alien to the the modern socialist nanny state, which has much more to do with Marx than Locke.

Your philosophy looks to be of the same superficial quality as your science.  If it's labeled correctly, then it must be what it says.

ezyryder11, I am a chemist w

ezyryder11,

I am a chemist with extensive training in water chemistry. I will try to explain why temperature increases precede, or are the driving force for, increased CO2 levels.

Oceans, which cover about 70% of the earths surface, contain water with a multiple dissolved substances. Everyone knows that one of these substances is salt (NaCl).

Another of the dissolved substance is bicarbonate (HCO3-). What is unique about bicarbonate is that it partitions between aqueous CO2 and carbonate (CO3--). This is called the “inorganic carbon equilibria.” The equilibrium is dependent on many factors, but the most important is temperature. A rise in the water temperature causes a shift toward more aqueous CO2.

There is also a partition between aqueous CO2 and gaseous CO2 (which is vented to the atmosphere) that is called “Henry’s Law” equilibrium. This equilibrium is also highly dependent on temperature, shifting toward more gaseous CO2 (and more venting to the atmosphere) as temperature increases.

In order words, as ocean water warms due to more solar activity, the atmospheric CO2 would increase in response. And, as ocean water cools due to less solar activity, the atmospheric CO2 would decrease in response. Because the oceans are so large, this process takes a long time (most likely centuries) to re-establish equilibrium. This is exactly what was observed from the ice core samples.

If I may horn in here, wate

If I may horn in here, water has a tremendous capacity for storing heat energy; call it "thermal inertia" if you will. That's why we fill hot water bottles with hot water and not hot oil- the water stores more heat. It takes a long time and a lot of energy for water to change temperature. Not only that, but ocean currents are continuously stirring the mix. Keeping all this in mind, the ocean is also a huge repository of living things- microorganisms, small organisms, big organisms, etc. When the water temperature goes up, their metabolic activity goes up, which, in turn, increases the amount of CO2 they produce. This, I hope will suffice to explain both the lag between CO2 and temperature, and the increase in CO2 due to temperature.

Tim, the otherside is also tr

Tim, the otherside is also true, as temperature goes up (due to more sun) plant life in the ocean goes up.  I say bring on Global Warming...more food for everyone.

We "rednecks" have

We "rednecks" have seen more of the world than you care to admit.  For instance, when I visited Beijing, it was easily spotted from the air because the city was shrouded in the worst smog I had ever seen: worse than anything I ever saw when I visited Los Angeles or lived in Denver.  The Chinese add the same power capacity of the U.K. every single year, mostly coal-powered, so that doesn't help matters.

Yet I have yet to see you greenies whine at the Chinese embassy or at any of their consulates.  I guess it must be because you admire their raifying the Kyoto Protocol that they are totally exempt from.

Nor do I see you demanding we follow the path of France, that gets 78.5% of their power from nuclear reactors, even though they reprocess their own waste (and that of several other countries as far away as Japan) without a permanent burial site for their waste (only Finland and the United States have permanent waste disposal sites).

Care to guess when the world's record temperature was set?  1922. 

Even now, Texas meterologists and other record-keepers will tell you that the worst drought this state has ever seen was in the 1950s.

Your story only stays consistent because your guilt and self-inflicted shame at living in the world's most advanced and largest economy is consistent.  Care to face Unsane's GW Questions???

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

Developing countries are ju

Developing countries are just getting a little more time to go green.

Even if temperatures have been higher in 1922 and the 1950s, it doesn't refute the theory because the theory doesn't say that temperatures are going consistenly up. There will be spikes and variances here and there.

A little more time to go green?

"A little more time to go green?"   Oh, now you're scaring me....because you've obvuously bought wholesale into the Kyoto lie.  Come on.  Are you really gullible enough to believe their lies?  Well, obviously you are, as your posts show.

China is pumping increasingly massive amounts of pollution into the land, water and air.  They are buying up high pollution soft coal deposits around the world. Among resulting problems are birth defects, illness, and early death....and you believe they just need a little more time to go green?  Sorry kid, but you're terminally stupid.

I actually think that the o

I actually think that the other countries are polluting too much also. I'm just explaining Kyoto's reasoning. I don't think it's right.

Then why back Kyoto's edicts?

Huh?  If you don't think it's right, then why back it's edicts?

Kyoto is a scam.

It uses faulty, unproven theories that are based on faulty models. 

It is directed, not at the enviornment, but specifically at the finances of the U.S.  

It is NOT directed at improving the planetary environment. 

In reality, it takes focus away from serious and practical environmental improvements.

I'm not backing its edicts.

I'm not backing its edicts. I'm just explaining their flawed reasoning.

However, I don't think you can say it's aimed at messing up our economy. In fact, it might help our economy since we're buying oil from the middle east. And it hold Europe accountable too.

But the main point is that we all need to reduce our emissions.

A suggestion.Why don't you re

A suggestion.

Why don't you reduce your emissions.

Here.

Just a thought.

Since your emissions here are so childish.

Looks like you need to study

Looks like you need to study some geography as well.  We buy most of our oil from Canada since they have, by some estimates, even more oil than the Middle East does.

When the oil isn't Canadian, it is Mexican, Venezuelan, Ecuadorean, Colombian, and perhaps Nigerian, from Equitorial Guinea, and Angolan.  All of that BEFORE we think of hitting the Middle East for oil, because the Middle East is too damn far away.

I'd say MAYBE 15% of our oil comes from the Middle East.  The last number I saw put it at 13%.

And it seems your economics knowledge is abysmal as well.  Buying oil doesn't hurt the economy; it is a necessary cost of doing business.  Besides, countless American companies, many based right here in Houston help drill it (among other things), for the United States and many, many businesses in this, America's fourth largest city, taught the world how it's done.  And they STILL teach the world how it's done! 

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

If this were true, then where

If this were true, then where is the incentive for them to go green?  Why are China, India, Mexico, and Brazil, among others, 100% exempt from the Protocol?

Why does the Kyoto Protocol NOT ADDRESS ANYWHERE the issue of tropical deforestation, which contributes (if we can trust science) 20% of greenhouse gas emissions yearly?

San Antonio RARELY if EVER gets snow, yet for Christmas 2004, areas SOUTH and east of there got quite a bit of snow.  If warming is happening and is remotely consistent, why did that happen?

Why did it snow in Lisbon and New Delhi in 2005-2006 and in Johannesburg in July 2006?

Exit Glacier, near Seward, AK, has been melting since 1780 (at least!).  What human activity from that period caused the glacier to begin melting then?

Why did ice come ashore at Barrow to end July 2004 (a sign of the beginning of the freezing over of the Arctic Ocean)?

Why don't you like the idea of the United States getting 70-80% of its power from nukes?

As for these "spikes and variances here and there", explain why, if this warming is remotely consistent, why I was chipping ice off of my truck in January in San Antonio.  Or, why, after an extremely active 2005 hurricane season, the 2006 one was a dud.

Or, if warming is bad, explain why wine was once produced in England, and why farming was once conducted in Greenland, or why a warmer than usual period in Scandinavia in the early Middle Ages is said to have given rise to the Vikings (because the good times in farming ended when average temps headed lower, the then-overpopulated Scandinavia needed to cast off some of its people, in the form of the Vikings and those who explored Greenland and Newfoundland). 

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

First of all, there's a lot

First of all, there's a lot that Kyoto did that I don't agree with.

Second of all, I think nuclear power is fine.

As for all your examples of cold weather, you really can't cite ice on your truck as evidence that a century long trend is invalid.

Most certainly, I can cite ic

Most certainly, I can cite ice on my truck...because those who propose GW theory assure me constantly that it isn't supposed to BE THERE.

ESPECIALLY when, under "normal" circumstances, it isn't supposed to be there to begin with!

Are you purposely trying to be obtuse?

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

Unsane. Did you get another c

Unsane. Did you get another cold front? Don't you live in Houston? Reason I ask. Weather changes should hit you a day or two before me. I'm thinking we've saw the last frost, last week. I have some bananas, gingers and crinums to plant.

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.”   H.L. Mencken

Weather in Houston

We haven't got another cold front that I'm aware of, but damn is it FOGGY this morning!

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

"As for all your examp

"As for all your examples of cold weather, you really can't cite ice on your truck as evidence that a century long trend is invalid."

Yet a cat 3 hurricane striking New Orleans is irrefutable proof that man-made global warming is occuring, lol.


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C'mon Unsane, you know the dr

C'mon Unsane, you know the drill by now. Only Amurrican coal causes pollution. Only Amurrican nuclear energy is dangerous. Only Amurrican drilling causes damage to the environment. Ever hear one of these brain-damaged libs like EZ here (and where, exactly, did this guy get his english language training?) utter so much as a peep in protest about Mexico or Cuba drilling for oil in the Gulf of Mexico? Ever think you will hear it?

Hell, no!

you guys don't get it. I do

you guys don't get it. I don't really agree with letting other countries drill for oil and pollute, but the rational behind it was that developing countries don't have the capacity to go green while we do.

I do think that other countries need to become more eco-friendly. But even if they aren't, we should take the lead on this.

We most certainly get it.  

We most certainly get it.   If there really were a human caused climate change crisis, it would be absolutely necessary to bring China and India under control because they represent something on the order of 2.6 Billion people, over 40% of the Earth's population.   Since Kyoto gave them as well as Russia a free pass to not only emit all the greenhouse gases they like but also all kinds of OTHER pollutants, this implies the primary purpose of the Kyoto Protocol actually had nothing to do preventing human caused climate change or limiting industrial pollution.

The REAL rationale, is someth

The REAL rationale, is something you feel much too much of: guilt.  First World Guilt.  WE have to shackle our economies over theory to let developing nations catch up. 

Now, you are sounding like The Economist with their "America should take the lead" whine.  I read that as "America is evil and MUST destroy its economy first; it's not fair that theirs is so big."  Fine.  You want America to take the lead?  Then start demanding the increased reliance on nuclear power as I have. 

Besides, my travels around the world show me that the United States already has taken the lead.  Hell, even Anchorage has auto emissions tests done to its residents now, and that town only has 270,000 or so people!!!  We are much better and greener than you dare want to admit. 

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

ez,Then you are in the extrem

ez,

Then you are in the extreme minority among the GW True Believers.

Actually, we do get it. "Going green" the way you people want us to will result in this country losing its economic standing in the world. I believe, as do most people here, that that is exactly what is behind the environmental movement. Otherwise we would be hearing more derision aimed at China, Russia, Mexico, Etc. Funny thing is, we aren't hearing it.

An large percentage of "environmentalits" are leftists, people who hate this country and every thing it stands for and who want to see this country seriously weakened. Problem is, there will always be a dominant country on this planet. If not us, then who? China? Russia? Or some other coutry run by a tyrannical dictator?

Personally, I'd rather it be us.

Indeed.  What those like eas

Indeed.  What those like easyrider refuse to understand is that we Rightists (with many hunters and other people who enjoy nature) are very much environmentally aware...the Right just favors common-sense, market-oriented approaches. 

Hence, for energy production, I am increasingly liking nuclear power.  If the United States even ramped up to about 50% of power generation from nukes, that would go a long way towards energy independence.  The reason I like it is power source diversification and less air pollution altogether, rather than as a preventative measure for some theoretical occurrence like man-made "global climate change". 

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

We are wrong? Lets live in y

We are wrong? 

Lets live in your world for a moment.  What you are arguing is this:  mankind has the power to control Earth's climate.  Were this true, some diabolical madman would have long ago unleashed his evil weather control machine on his enemies as a weapon of war.  Get back to some kind of reality.  No such capability exists.  This is the stuff of comic books and Sci-Fi thrillers..

One man can't change the cl

One man can't change the climate, but 6,000,000,000 people can.

Yes, how thoughtless of us.

Yes, how thoughtless of us. We really should stop farting so much, especially those hundreds of millions who don't even have electricty/jobs/means of causing emissions.

“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” - John Adams

Complete clap-trap.   Make

Complete clap-trap.   Make your case.

Man cannot even prevent a single Volcano from erupting.  One of these can alter the climate for a few months up to several years.  Therefore:  Man cannot control the climate.

...especially if you have a t

...especially if you have a tyrannical, paternalistic government force those billions to submit to its demands for their own good, and then have a government or governments that have total, complete, direct control over everyone's lives in the name of "saving us all from ourselves". 

But then, it sounds to me like that idea is a wonderful one to you. 

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

"One man can't change

"One man can't change the climate, but 6,000,000,000 people can."

Since man is responsible for less than half of one percent of all greenhouse gas found in our atmosphere, I beg to differ. But why let science get in the way of what feels good.


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NL207...I thought Rove had th

NL207...

I thought Rove had that machine?

The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.

Wasn't it some guy named Blof

Wasn't it some guy named Blofeld? Or was it Dr. Evil?

NL - Dr. Evil has the Shark

NL - Dr. Evil has the Sharks with Laser Death Rays . . . and Rove was leasing the Weather Machine to Blofeld . . .

I Know!  I must have been Fa

I Know!  It must have been Fat Bastard!

NL- you're wrong. Mankind

NL- you're wrong. Mankind has had the ability to control the Earth's climate since January of 2001. Haven't you heard of the Karl Rove Weather Machine?

huh??

You must be a victim of second hand smoke!

An ugly American is one who does not support his country.

Wow, that was an amazing vide

Wow, that was an amazing video.  So glad I took the time to watch it.  I didn't intend to, just to download it for now, but it was so good I couldn't stop.  Excellent work, excellent science.

As a scientist who has worked/coded modeling programs, I was delighted by what they said.  There are even more problems with modeling programs than they could explain, but the documentary got the point across without them.  And that last bit about Africa?  Way to make a great point. Anti-human, indeed.

As to whether it is too late to stop the madness?  I don't think so.  I remember how quickly the fads of "acid rain" and "facillitated communication" disappeared when the real science started showing up, even though they were firmly entrenched as well.  The new scientific work is so good that I think more scientists will start turning towards it.  I also think that lots of scientists who treated this like the regular passing media fad have been awakened by the claims they should be stripped of their credentials.  Nothing bothers scientists more than to be told they MUST agree with politicians and journalists.

This Global Warming Debate is

This Global Warming Debate is completely out of control, like in Germany where car producers are solely blamed for CO2 polution. Although cars account only for 11,9% of the polution. Doesn't make sense, but hey what can you expect from a country where the Green Party has 8,1%.

Could anyone of you image a US politician promoting to buy Japanese cars instead of local ones, because they produce less CO2 like the Toyota Prius?
Renate Künast of the Green Party did exactly so. (Although she drove an Audi A8 during her time as Minister of the environment. But that doesn't count.)

"If everyone who doesn't

"If everyone who doesn't have a background in science was excluded from the debate..."  The following was lifted intact from Wikipedia's bio of pope algore.

In preparation for college, Gore attended the St. Albans School In 1965, Gore enrolled at Harvard College, the only university to which he applied. His roommate (in Dunster House) was actor Tommy Lee Jones. After finding himself bored with his classes in his declared English major, Gore switched majors and worked hard in his government courses and graduated cum laude from Harvard in June 1969 with a Bachelor of Arts degree in government. After returning from the military he took religious studies courses at Vanderbilt University and then entered its Law School. He left Vanderbilt after completing the required one-year Rockefeller Foundation scholarship for students returning to secular work to run for Congress in 1976.[7]

Stand by for global warming heretics to be figuratively burned at the stake.  Literally burning us at the stake would release too much CO2.  Are there any volunteers to tack a copy of the documentary to the door of algore's Nashville manse?

ezyryder11.Face the truth!Man

ezyryder11.

Face the truth!

ManBearPig is lying to you!

You ask why ManBearPig would lie to you?

Because: "It’s an Inconvenient Truth".

The CO2 you see in the chart comes from the ocean.

The ocean acts as a giant sponge/CO2 bank.

The 800 year thing is about how long it takes for the ocean waters to circulate its deep water to the surface, warm up and release its’ excess CO2.

Because of the scale of the chart, you can’t easily see the 800 year lag in the movie.

The scientists determine the 800 year lag by reading the printed out raw data.

"The 800 year thing is

"The 800 year thing is about how long it takes for the ocean waters to
circulate its deep water to the surface, warm up and release its’
excess CO2."

No, no, no, YOU and those scientists are wrong. There can't be an 800 year lag because, well, because ez doesn't feel like there should be. Because he doesn't feel like it should take that long, that's proof enough for him. He probably also believes that the starlight we see at night is arriving in real-time.


Reminder: Don't forget to pay your taxes. 12 million illegal immigrants are counting on you.

You can’t get ManBearPig o

You can’t get ManBearPig on starlight.

Remember, he invented it.