HBO’s Bill Maher threw quite a Bush bash on the March 9 installment of “Real Time.”
Not only did he stock his panel exclusively with well-known critics of the Administration like Roseanne Barr, the Washington Post’s Dana Milbank, and former Special Assistant to the President David Kuo who attained notoriety by writing the book “Tempting Faith” after leaving the White House.
Maher also began the program after his opening monologue by interviewing a retired Army major general that had just written a scathing op-ed about America’s top officers published in the New York Times Tuesday. This made him the perfect guest to start such a hate-filled program (video available here courtesy of our friend Ms Underestimated).
In fact, it was quite clear why Major General Paul D. Eaton (Ret.) was present when Maher, after some brief niceties, began the interview:
"I thank you for doing this show. I thank you for, for coming out and speaking, because I know when you’re a military man, probably the hardest thing to do is to speak out, uh, in a way that’s not positive about the people up above you in the chain of command."
Yes, but it sure is a great way to get yourself on programs like “Real Time.” As such, when Eaton said, “I’ve got real problems with this Administration,” and actually thanked God for “the arrival of a Democratic Congress” last November, Maher was set up perfectly to attack the object of his disaffection:
I feel like the troops have this dysfunctional, abusive relationship with George Bush. The more he mistreats them, the more they seem to like him. I mean, the only speeches he ever makes are in front of troops or toddlers – the only two groups that won’t boo him, and I’m not that sure about the toddlers. Uh, why do they still like George Bush?
Well, Bill, maybe it's because he's the commander-in-chief, and members of the military have respect for the office that folks like you just can't possibly understand.
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Eaton
March 10, 2007 - 12:07 ET by LukeSadly this retired general has become a "hero" to the anti-war cabal.
I suspected the entire "interview" was carefully scripted and my suspicions were absolutely confirmed when, late in the interview, the general carefully used the words "Democratic Party", not Democrat Party.
He had apparently been told the "correct" use of the terminoloy. I watched the interview twice and could easily see this was scripted.
He is another "Murtha in waiting". He will be on all the MSM outlets and they will fawn over him to the point of barfing. The MSM would not have given him the time of day while he was in Iraq and this nut of a general cannot see this. Makes me question his intelligence.
Luke
March 10, 2007 - 12:13 ET by Noel SheppardLuke,
I got that feeling, too. This guy is just perfect for the anti-war crowd. It's almost like he's being groomed for it.
Yet, on the other hand, when Maher asked him about the Democrat options on the table, Eaton didn't take the bait, and, instead, stated that their current recommendations would be a disaster.
So, we can take his performance a number of ways, wouldn't you agree? ns
Yes and No
March 10, 2007 - 12:44 ET by LukeNo, he didn't rise to the bait on that question but he had all the talking points pretty well memorized.
Especially the one about when "all this started", meaning the issue with Walter Reed and the general saying it just started on Bush's watch. Fact is the Veterans Medical treatment has been an issue since WWII and Korea if not before. It was obvious this guy, as well as many generals, did not take kindly to Rumsfeld trimming a lot of "fat" from the military and making it a much trimmer fighting force.
To get a real feel about how the Democrats feel about Walter Reed check out Imus vs. Schumer. The transcript can be found over at Newsmax. I linked the interview to HotAir and hope they get audio or video.
This Maher "interview" was a classic though. Thanks for the catch.
I've been using the argument
March 10, 2007 - 14:55 ET by Conservative in the ArtsI've been using the argument that our Vets are not happy with the VA system. We already have a "socialized medical care system" for our vets and they don't think it's the cats meow. Only a brain dead liberal could think that if we only take a barely working system and make it bigger will it work. This Walter Reed story is a good example of what Hillary's care would be like.
As a conservative who is no f
March 11, 2007 - 02:53 ET by BW222As a conservative who is no fan of Bill Maher, I venture to say the general may well be right. The Bush administration has worked to make Iraq a second Vietnam in terms of rules of engagement and things it has done to handcuff our troops (in terms of political correctness.
The same is true in spades for the Border Patrol. Bush has destroyed BP morale and has little respect among rank-and-file agents according to recent surveys.
What the hell do you expect w
March 11, 2007 - 12:40 ET by UnsaneWhat the hell do you expect when this country is populated by crybabies who equate a Gitmo detainee having a hangnail to torture and maltreatment at the hands of our troops?
Besides, as an AF officer (switching to the Reserves as we speak), I couldn't disagree more with the idea that there is a "dysfunctional/abusive" relationship with the troops. When he was in Korea in 2005 for the APEC conference, he could have traveled straight to China, but instead, he stopped by at Osan AB for a brief visit. I was in the audience and noted the significance of that. I highly suspect I was not alone in that audience of soldiers, sailors, Airmen, and Marines.
As for the Border Patrol, you have a point...but again, what do you expect when not nearly enough pressure has been brought to bear on Congress and the President to get serious on border security? Besides,BOTH sides are too damn scared to do anything that might make them look "racist" for there are too many people out there who just don't get it.
The House did a decent job of getting serious about illegal immigration by shutting down some of the dumber ideas, but how were they rewarded? By bringing in the Dems, who won't do one damn thing to enforce laws.
Finally, why is it you keep having to qualify yourself by starting many of your posts with "I'm a conservative!" or "As a conservative..." Could it be that you really are not? I won't wave a label for myself. I'll just let my principles, and the writing I use to back those principles, speak for themselves.
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
Part of my "problem"
March 11, 2007 - 15:39 ET by BW222Part of my "problem" is that I am far to the right of Bush. In fact, I don't consider Bush a true conservative, but rather a hodgepoge of things. He is conservative on moral issues like abortion, but as a "compassionate conservative," I think he's quite liberal on many social spending issues. I view Bush is a globalist, who is more interested in helping international corporations than national security.
The GOP House Members didn't lose because of their stand on border security but rather because the voters linked him to Bush. Pew Research Center did an exit poll and approximately 36% of the voters said they were voting against Bush even though his name didn't appear on the ballot. Bush has alienated a lot of the electorate, including "Reagan Democrats" who have been voting Republican since 1980 and helped elect Bush twice.
I am not sure Bush's "open border" policies don't come fromn his personal views rather than PC pressure.
Good English is bad?
March 11, 2007 - 14:17 ET by Tarn VedranIt seems that Norm Crosby has taken over the world.....starting in the white house.
We have a political party engaged in using baby talk or a variation of the true name as an epithet to hit someone they don't like.
We have the first ESL president.... one who barely speaks english.....
Gen. Eaton did something no one in this administration has done -- served the soldiers.
We have people here decrying Eaton... but never served. In fact, there may be some, like the Prez & Prez of Vice who ran when asked to serve. Cheney ran 5 times to avoid serving his country.... And we have a CIC who cut and ran when he was ordered to see a Flight Surgeon....while barely showing up at all.... (at that was "during a time of war").
The idea that the GOP "supports the troops" has been proven a lie.... at Walter Reed and throughout the country.
It would have been nice to see some factual discussions here, or at least disagreements based on facts.....
Sadly, that has been shown not to be the case....
Note the repeated opportunities the GOP congress had to improve Veterans care....instead of cutting it....
Veterans care was the last thing on their minds....
If Roosevelt had treated the military like the Bush administration, we would have lost WWII and be speaking German.
To use a phrase posted here...many of the posts here make me "question his (their) intelligence."
I remember when the GOP was for law and order... not supporting criminal acts and treason..... that hasn't been the case for at least the last 6 years.... if not longer.
As to Bill Maher, it seems more accurate..... Bush appears in front of soldiers, AEI and the American Legion..... notice a theme?
As to becoming a "hero " to the anti-war cabal...... actually, he should be seen as one by ALL real americans....
Tarn - so many bumper sticker point. So little substance.
March 11, 2007 - 14:25 ET by acaiguanaTarn - so many bumper sticker point. So little substance.
I'm confused how you managed to assemble them all together. Juxtaposed they make no sense at all.
It's not even worth dealing with them. Study up on the issues and when you have something substantive to post, maybe there will be a discussion with you.
ACA
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Quoted from: 'Acaiguana Notes from the Bomb Shelter' (soon to be a movie at theaters near you)
aca
March 11, 2007 - 14:34 ET by RJLast night, we had a newbie with the same m.o. He posted a long laundry list of lefty blog-thought on the environment, but was unable to back up any of his bumbler sticker assertions. Next, was some "military" dude who did the same thing with Reagan. Now this guy. Coincidence? Maybe. Or maybe the newest page in their training manual. ;^>
Night of the Barking Moonbats
March 11, 2007 - 14:40 ET by Free StinkerRJ - I think you're on to something here . . . I don't believe in coincidences.
Bumper sticker points? Little substance?
March 11, 2007 - 16:40 ET by Tarn VedranSadly, that seems to be all I see here from a lot of posters......
Kind of like the GOP platform.
Another Lying Troll
March 12, 2007 - 10:17 ET by emjem24TV...
I find it interesting that you talk about those who serve in the military like you know them or have served yourself. Have you? Proof?
If find your post revoltingly repulsive. As a military spouse, I've seen parrots of Bush hatred and liberal talking points all before. Your utter disrespect for the office of the President when you use the military like some chess piece to be moved when you choose is quite telling. Something you accuse the administration of doing.
Let me ask you this...have you ever moved every 3 years like I have? Have you even seen friends off to war? Have you ever seen an active duty member (like my husband) work so hard to support the mission while people like you keep putting his CIC down (as well as him). Do you know what that feels like?
When this general "spoke out" on Mahar's show he did spouses like me and military members like my husband no favors. It is so like liberals like you to see this man as a "hero" for "all" Americans when he just plays in the hands of those seeking to obliterate the military or use it for their own ends.
As to the CIA...you know nothing. Do you know what a security clearance is? Do you? Did Plame have it? If so, then why was she simply an "analyst?" Why did others say that she didn't? Give me proof that an actual act of treason was commited.
As to your assertion that Pres. Bush and VP Cheney never served, give me a break. You sound like one of those pathetic, Vietnam War veterans who served with John Kerry and overlooked how HE decided to get out of the war. Why is it you use this liberal talking point instead of presenting actual facts of those who didn't serve? Why don't you mention that Clinton got the same kind of waivers during Vietnam that Cheney did? Or is it okay that Clinton got a waiver but since Cheney is a sitting VP, it's not?
If you're truly on here to educate yourself regarding media bias, I would say you haven't scratched the service when you duck and cover up for liberals. I've heard and seen all the same liberal talking points from trolls on this site. You are no different. The facts and discussion you seek are also nothing you bring to the table. How fair is it to put out innuendo and slander when you cannot even truthfully discuss what's going on in the media?
The difficult we do immediately; the impossible takes a little longer. Air Force Motto
emjem says: When your brain's stuck on liberalism it self-destructs.
Well Real "Slimy" T
March 10, 2007 - 12:23 ET by Blazer.
Eaton
March 10, 2007 - 12:25 ET by bigtimerThe left are doing their best IMO to try their best to get a surge going for demonstrations of any kind within our military against this war, have been for quite awhile, what I found absolutely ludicrous is when Eaton said the Republican Party is the worse thing that could happen to our military, not the exact full quote but close enough....
Btw...Seems to me everything I have heard on the msn as much and as little as they hate to report it other than Fox has been fair in this area, seems to me we are really making quite a bit of progress since this surge began, and the leftists are going completely beserk...the defeatist party for all to see.
Maher is a waste of space on this earth as far as I am concerned.
Thanks for the video...just wanted I wanted to hear first thing this morning...but hey, I chose to listen to it without anyone putting a gun to my head!
LOL!
Dead on, with that post bigti
March 10, 2007 - 12:48 ET by BlazerDead on, with that post bigtimer, Maher was just feeding the fish as usual. What better way for a disgruntled retired ex-general to supplement his income than to plug a book noone is buying on Real Slime with Bill Maher.
Writing a book scathing the military, and the president is sure to get those books selling like hotcakes once the moonbats swoop them from the shelves. After the NYT plugs it for you, you can get a job with CNN, or MSNBC as a military analyst.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
I mean, the only speeches h
March 10, 2007 - 12:28 ET by Jack BauerI mean, the only speeches (Bush) ever makes are in front of troops or toddlers
You mean he hasn't made a non-military speech in public since his last State of the Union address?
this is a plus for W
March 10, 2007 - 14:40 ET by tumbler_2007I'm almost sure this is good for the President; in the most positive way.
Here was this wacko, pontificating once more; with an obscenely disloyal general who boosts him on TV;
And nobody on that set seems to realize the fact that our loyal G.I.s in Iraq and Afghanistan see this and hear it. Maher and the turncoat do a Full Monty in the faces of American soldiers; cursing the Commander in Chief -- ! It has to infuriate a soldier of our country to observe how empty and punked Maher is; and how he calls them dysfunctional and abused. BUSH gains stature with them by contrast. Let's see what Maher gains from this latest blunder. How many more can the goon survive?
Jack Bauer?
March 11, 2007 - 14:21 ET by Tarn VedranAhhh... the US adopts Canadians as heroes.....
But with 300 million people, the US doesn't have its own? (grin).
Normally, they would be the soldiers....but the group in charge of soldiers in the US doesn't like that.....
So now they are picking fictional characters....(Canadian citizens)...
...
March 11, 2007 - 14:33 ET by Jack Bauer...
What's your point Andromeda
March 11, 2007 - 14:33 ET by Jack BauerWhat's your point Andromeda? Try writing it coherantly. Makes it so much easier for those of us trying to decipher it.
(By the way, Keifer Sutherland was born in London. Which, if you check my NB profile, is also my location.)
Good for London....
March 11, 2007 - 16:22 ET by Tarn VedranBut Donald was his father (born in New BrunswicK).... so are you claiming that only the Brits have claim to "Jack Bauer"....
And he was raised in Canada....
BTW
March 11, 2007 - 16:25 ET by Tarn VedranCongrats from the Tarn Vedran (grin).
Actually, the heroes we on th
March 12, 2007 - 13:45 ET by BDActually, the heroes we on the right adopt are named Paul R Smith (MOH Recipient for actions near Bagdhad International Airport 4 April 2003) or Marine Cpl. Jason Dunham Killed when he saved his squadmates from a grenade by jumping onto it two years ago.
We do not need fictional heroes when real ones are ingored by the MSM on a daily basis.
Eaton and Maher abuse
March 10, 2007 - 13:47 ET by pickerseniorSince these people look at themselves as gods to promote war with the American people, ensure America's defeat, and create abuse and dissent, maybe it's time to line up a firing squad.
Saying this is no worse than Cheney comments from Maher.
After the opening segment with Eaton, "Real Time" was assigned the ether.
You know you have a problem
March 10, 2007 - 14:03 ET by FairlightYou know you have a problem with quality control when you see Dana Milbank on any guest list.
Bill Maher is the one who is
March 10, 2007 - 14:03 ET by HumanEventsBill Maher is the one who is "dysfunctional and abusive."
Boy he's really spewing the venom left and right these days (er, I mean all over the place. He never spews venom to the left!). Maybe he's hoping for some sleepovers in the Lincoln Bedroom in 2009.
And Bill MAR, how does George Bush mistreat the troops? By keeping them in Iraq, I suppose. Funny how these ultra libs never have any specific examples. He just throws out, "Bush mistreats the troops." Nice.
And then saying Bush only speaks in front of those who won't boo him, HA HA HA! Like Maher's hero Sick Willie and Shrillary ever speak in front of anything other than an audience of blind supporters and adorers! President Bush has appeared on shows with liberal interviewers like Brian Williams and Bob Schieffer. When's the last time the Dragon Lady or the Great Stainmaker let Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, or any conservative interview them? Hmmm, from 1992-2007 I think we have one example of His Slickness being interviewed by Chris Wallace (hardly a conservative anyway) on Fox News Sunday. And Billy boy sure showed he can handle a challenging question.
Mr. Maher, I still consider you one of the greatest Clinton suckholes of all time!
I caught most of the show l
March 10, 2007 - 14:07 ET by Adam_MEI caught most of the show last night, but I kept flipping the channel every few minutes as I could barely stomach what I was hearing. I swear it was like someone gave MoveOn.org their own hour-long show on HBO. The only part that was even remotely interesting was when Roseanne and David Kuo looked like they were about to come to blows(she was accusing him of assisting Bush in stealing the 2000 election).
And speaking of which, I'd like to thank Roseanne Barr for her insightful commentary. I had no idea the Scooter Libby trial was really about "forged documents that got us into a bullsh-t war"(her exact words), that Cheney was the one responsible for the leak in spite of Armitage confessing he did it, or that Bush stole not one, but two elections.
Amazing what you can learn watching this program.
Yeah Roseanne Barr has been t
March 10, 2007 - 14:26 ET by HumanEventsYeah Roseanne Barr has been totally out of her mind for years now (54, to be exact). If not for Rosie O'Donnell being born ten years later, you'd think they could be twins.
I'll bet Bill MAR did one of his obnoxious laughs when she said her profanity and rubbish. His laughs are always in reaction to a loony lib putting down a Republican. Whether the line even contains any attempted humor or not is irrelevant. (If a conservative makes a point against a Democrat in a humorous way, Bill's reaction is to sarcastically say, "Oh please!").
Bill needs a short session wi
March 10, 2007 - 14:14 ET by rimskyBill needs a short session with Gunnery SGT. R. Lee Ermey!
Both him and the other Bill -
March 10, 2007 - 14:30 ET by HumanEventsBoth him and the other Bill --> Bill "I loathe the military" Clinton. I'd like to see Ermey have a few weeks with the two Spotted Al's too (gore and franken).
add.....
March 11, 2007 - 14:24 ET by Tarn VedranCheney ( 5 times the chicken) and Bush 43 (I'm afraid to see the flight surgeon...so get me out early)........
So, if by your logic, service
March 12, 2007 - 14:24 ET by BDSo, if by your logic, service is the hallmark, what do you say to the Liberal Democrats who are currently LACKING in the ranks?
If Bush is bad for not adequately serving according to your standards, what about the fact that the ranks are currently 85% conservative? Doesn't that tar your side?
I would like to know if I'm
March 10, 2007 - 14:37 ET by gueinI would like to know if I'm the only one who thinks that Maher and Coulter have entered some wierd beer induced wager to see who can get the most foam-at-the-mouth negative responses from their opposing political factions; assuming that they are still friends since I have heard nothing to the contrary. Both seem to enjoy serving kool-aid to their followers and driving their opponents to profanity. I am having a hard time accepting that either believe half of what they say in public; if they do believe what they are saying, that's even more disturbing.
we all know about maher
March 10, 2007 - 14:45 ET by tumbler_2007Yeah, sure. Maher's an open book. Soft porn without the babes.
What's your problem with Cool Ann ? ? ?
Coulter occasionally will s
March 10, 2007 - 20:57 ET by gueinCoulter occasionally will say things that are simply mean spirited (e.g, the Jersey Girls comment). Those kind of comments are meant to get attention from the left and she knows it. Do these occasional comments equate to the hatred spewed by the far left? Not even close. Other than that, I read her columns and thinks she is a good satirical writer.
Yeah really, there's no compa
March 10, 2007 - 14:52 ET by HumanEventsYeah really, there's no comparison. Read any column or book by Ann Coulter. She's very creative and funny (unlike Maher) and makes excellent points and provides facts and details to substantiate her claims (also unline Maher).
So Cliterectomies are Creative and Funny????
March 11, 2007 - 15:48 ET by Tarn VedranSounds bizarre to me.....
...considering she is usually factually challenged...... and almost never funny.
In fact, I consider all of her titles to be autobiographical.
Eaton may be sincere, or he m
March 10, 2007 - 15:29 ET by GalvanicEaton may be sincere, or he may be one of those generals who felt he should've gotten a third star and didn't, and now is courting the favor of the Democratic Party in hopes that he can show up those who were promoted over him by securing an appointment to a lofty DoD job.
But the guy that get's me is Maher, who never spent a day in uniform, paints our military members as mindless and toddler-like, loyal despite being abused by the C-in-C. He knows nothing about them individually or collectively, and nothing about what motivates them to serve and to fight. Worst of all, though, is he really doesn't care a hoot about them. In fact, he has a history of disdain for them.
Eaton's Background
March 10, 2007 - 20:22 ET by JaxSoloI suspect your belief that he's ticked he didn't get a 3rd star might be on target. Just a quick google check on him shows that in June 2001, he was nominated for his 2d star. At the time, he was the DCG for transformation, TRADOC, at Ft Lewis. In 2003-04, he was in Iraq as the chief trainer of the new Iraqi army. In between he served as the CG of the Infantry School/Center.
Clearly, the guy is no slouch. Being the CG of anything is a big deal. BUT, as far as I can tell (and I can be very wrong here) it doesn't appear he was in a combat division as a one star, and clearly not as a 2 star. I would venture to guess that for his contributions and excellent service over 32 years, he didn't get picked for a 3rd star and he was forced to retire. And I'll bet he's pissed off, and is lashing out. I think it's shameful.
Actually...
March 11, 2007 - 15:43 ET by Tarn VedranThe history of disdain is Bush43's.
Bill Maher is increasing his
March 10, 2007 - 16:14 ET by mostlymoderateBill Maher is increasing his attacks because he knows when Bush retires in 2008, his career is over. What would Bill Maher be if he couldn't attack G. Bush? Bill Maher will enter that celebrity forum like Jane Fonda in 2008; everybody will forget about him.
Actually, it would help if you were truthful...
March 11, 2007 - 14:48 ET by Tarn VedranSadly, you forgot more than a year ago, Maher was actually supportive... saying it looks like the president might have been right.......
But that was just the Bush 43 mirage he was seeing....
We've missed you Baracus! N
March 11, 2007 - 14:49 ET by Free StinkerWe've missed you Baracus!
New name, some old Demoncrat Talking Points.
Just the facts ... Jack
March 11, 2007 - 15:39 ET by Tarn VedranSo you are claiming this is a fact-free zone????
Men without chests do not und
March 10, 2007 - 16:31 ET by SMGalbraithMen without chests do not understand men with chests.
For the lefties who read this, google C.S. Lewis.
Those on the right know what I mean.
First Amendment of the Cons
March 10, 2007 - 19:10 ET by radiofitz34First Amendment of the Constitution + Treason = Bill Maher ...it's the new math.
Without the liberal kook cons
March 10, 2007 - 19:23 ET by BlazerWithout the liberal kook conspiracy theory fringe, Maher wouldn't even have an audience, it's all about the ratings. Let's not forget this guy is an entertainer, and not to be taken seriously, he was a sucky actor, and an even worse comedianne.
Dont' think seriously for one moment this guy actually wants to see a Democrat President, or gross Democrat majority in the House, or Senate, this guy would be out of a job, and he knows it!
Without conspiracy, hate, and a Republican president this guy would be nothing.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
Actually Ben was talking about
March 11, 2007 - 14:27 ET by Tarn VedranThe GOP Congress under DeLay.
And some people seem to forget he (Maher) was successful before Bush43 was named president.
Stupid and codependent?
March 10, 2007 - 22:19 ET by nkviking75So Kerry thinks our military is full of morons, and now Maher says they're a bunch of codependents? Or they have Stockholm Syndrome? Or Battered Wife Syndrome? Good move, Maher. You see how well it worked for Kerry to insult the troops.
The only moron in the militar
March 10, 2007 - 22:25 ET by Clear thinkerThe only moron in the military was Kerry!
The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.
Nahhhhh
March 11, 2007 - 14:29 ET by Tarn Vedran... try the CIC
Headline - "Bill Maher f
March 10, 2007 - 22:39 ET by FastEdHeadline - "Bill Maher found with head up Ass" - as reported by the American Bull Corporation, "A returning dysfunctional trooper, having had enough of Maher's off the cuff spoutings, decided that Mr. Maher should "eat his words" as he has been quoted. "I figured that since his words were such ^%&$, I figured that he should be able to eat what he said. The only way to prove him wrong was to show him the proper posture."
A side note to this report, it took approximately 6 hours for EMT's and police to get Mr. Maher extracted from his new "posture". Quoting an obviously teary eyed EMT, "It wasn't a difficult operation, we were laughing too hard to effectively remove his head from his, ah, y'know, ah, his nether regions. It seemed everytime we got ready to pull his head out, he tried to say something and his butt-cheeks would swell up and we'd start laughing again!"
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
the troops have this dysfun
March 10, 2007 - 22:40 ET by John in CAthe troops have this dysfunctional, abusive relationship with George Bush.
That's because the troops feel like they have a Commander in Chief who respects them and what they do. Look at pictures of the President around the military or veterans. Often you'll see tears in his eyes. You'll also see the troops reaching out to him in the handshake line. They're trying to get close. For those who think it's all staged - as I've said in the past, you can make a military guy go to one of these events, but you can't make them be happy about it. So, if they look happy, that's because they really are happy.
Try going to FreeRepublic.com and look for the Daily Dose. Then start looking for the pictures of Dubya with the military. They love him for a reason.
Give a Democrat Party free America a chance!
Only
March 11, 2007 - 14:31 ET by Tarn VedranBecause he is their boss......and they don't want to sold out by Field Marshall Karl ......
Just another general with his
March 10, 2007 - 23:29 ET by Trix RabbitJust another general with his government issued underwear in a knot because he was passed over for an undeserved promotion and is venting his spleen on Bush. Yawn.
FastEd: LMAO!!!!
Liberal: a power worshipper without power. George Orwell
Get Real time...
March 11, 2007 - 01:37 ET by chottybrainThis particular episode was a new LOW for this GHOUL. nauseating. And watch how MAR goes into fits of rage when someone mentions that Reagan Won the cold war.
We know what Reagan did and how he (and Cap Weinberger) did it... here's what Maher conveniently forgets:
**Calling them what they were. An Evil Empire.
Telling Gorby: "you can't win this". "we will out spend you".
*Saturating W. Europe w/ Pershing II Cruise missles.
*Building and deploying the Trident sub fleet (despite the Dems trying to kill the program over & over).
And, basically seeing Detente for what it was... unacceptable. While seeing the Cold war as (oh my god) WINABLE!
I simply cannot watch this asshole Commie another minute.
-Sorry, I meant "This Asshole, fraudulent, smug, Commie with the face of a Sperm Whale".
Reagan Did??????
March 11, 2007 - 14:34 ET by Tarn VedranGee, I never saw him on guard duty.....
and wasn't that after he "cut & ran" from Lebanon?
Lebanon?You mea
March 11, 2007 - 14:54 ET by Jack Bauer"Lebanon"?
You mean when the U.S. foolishly allowed its Marines to be part of a so-called U.N. Peace Keeping force?
While I admit that President Reagan should have seriously considered obliterating Syria at that point...
(I'm sure you agree, even to the point of tactical nukes to avoid extra US casualties)
It wasn't a U.S. operation, so I guess the President felt constrained.
That general should be tried
March 11, 2007 - 04:50 ET byThat general should be tried for treason! Why doesn't he just give up his American citizenship and join the Iraqis? --He would do us far less harm that way. ...Debra
Oh, and Does Bill Maher need a new hairdresser? Click Here to see... :o)
Debra
March 11, 2007 - 14:39 ET by Tarn VedranTruth hurts.... doesn't it.
The treason is pervasive in the Bush administration....
Karl Rove, Scooter, Cheney et al for selling out the CIA and destroying a cover company that had been years in the making.....
If we are truly at war, why are they (Rove/Cheney) still with secret clearances.... in truth... they are more like Aldrich Ames or Robert Hansen....
The Democrats have been at
March 11, 2007 - 17:30 ET by lnthompThe Democrats have been at war with CIA since at least the 1960's. Now you claim the administration is "treasonous" for revealing the name of a desk jockey?
Lee T.
U.S. Navy (ret.) / Hillsboro, Oregon
I have enough money to last me the rest of my life. Unless I buy something.
Lee...
March 11, 2007 - 18:11 ET by Tarn VedranSo your argument is that is okay to violate secret clearances...., must have been a different Navy than my father was in....
Basically, what Rove and Scooter did was like Aldrich Ames and Robert Hansen......only worse...
Armitage said it was an accidental slip......which could be forgiven, but lose his secret clearances....and any chance to work in a position that would require one....
Rove and Scooter were out there like used car salesmen screaming to anyone they would meet....(and Rove still has a security clearance?) If he was in the military, he would already have been court-martialed and sent to Kansas.
As for Novak.... he admits that he was told that he shouldn't print that information by a CIA official..... then did......
As for desk jockey...... how do you know?
Her cover company Brewster Jennings was destroyed by the disclosure.... along with all the covers of anyone who worked there at ANY time...AND who ever met with ANYONE from the company. If you remember, the cover company was working on nuclear non-proliferation.... especially from the Soviet Union to Iran ...... But I guess you are saying that isn't important.
Personally, Rove and Scooter were worse than Benedict Arnold and Tokyo Rose combined........
And they should be in Leavenworth for the next 20 years...
TV,Wilson/Armitage/Fitzmas/Le
March 11, 2007 - 18:28 ET by bigtimerTV,
Wilson/Armitage/Fitzmas/LeftistMedia/SomeCIA/SomeState Dept./Leftist Pol's
All you need to know.
"different Navy than my father was in"
March 11, 2007 - 19:47 ET by RJ"different Navy than my father was in"
Would that be the same Navy you said your father was in when you were posting under the name hater?
Oops.
Nope
March 11, 2007 - 21:26 ET by Tarn VedranTry again......
--- you are so cold you have frozen your extremities...
BTW, I don't hate.. I may be dismayed and disgusted....but I don't hate.....
Dear "Tarn",
March 11, 2007 - 18:11 ET by chottybrainTreason is spelled: S-A-N-D-Y B-E-R-G-E-R.
Jot it down, look it up. Granted, it's probably buried by Google, but get back to us, please...
You Mean...
March 11, 2007 - 18:14 ET by Tarn VedranOllie North.....and Fawn Hall....... how many shredders and forests did they go through destroying secret documents??????
Ollie North is a patriot.Some
March 11, 2007 - 18:24 ET by bigtimerOllie North is a patriot.
Something you obviously aren't.
Troll.
Patriots serve their country with honor.....
March 11, 2007 - 21:29 ET by Tarn VedranNorth stopped being that when he started lying, gun-running, drug-running and destroyed thousands of classified documents.....
Or is that your definition of a patriot???
Another ungrateful spoiled li
March 11, 2007 - 21:42 ET by bigtimerAnother ungrateful spoiled little brat of a troll, you sure are never going to grow up and amount to anything, least of all a man.
Oliver North is a scam. He de
March 11, 2007 - 21:55 ET byOliver North is a scam. He defended the ACLU --A video clip of it is used in a video that is on the ACLU's website to promote the ACLU. Care to see the video? http://www.debrajmsmith.com/acluuuc.html
One of his people returned a call of mine and said he would get back to me about it, but never did. There was more to the call, someday I will write on it.
Oliver North needs to retract what he said, or sit down!
Debra...
North 100x the person you are, lady
March 11, 2007 - 22:03 ET by j17ghsYou lie about North because you never had any discipline or reality in your pathetic life. When they come for the women, there'll be no one left to speak up, and I'll think of you -- oh my and a boo hoo!
BTW, can you also tell me where NASA staged the filming of the moon landing? Write about that, too. How about the grassy knoll shooter? Take a powder, lady.
Is a conservative any better
March 11, 2007 - 22:48 ET byIs a conservative any better than a liberal if the he or she goes along with anything and everything that anyone who calls themselves a conservative does? or turns a blind eye to anything done wrong by such a person?
Remember, this site is about the ‘bias’ behavior of so much of the main stream media. If people on the conservative side of things are also bias, how are they any better than the main stream media?
I am a true conservative --and I will not blindly follow anyone or any group. Maybe honesty is a foreign word to you? God never needs a sinful means to achieve His end.
You call me a liar? Go see the video for yourself. It is linked right from the ACLU website and it has Oliver North video-taped defending the ACLU. –You can see him while hearing him. It is him defending the ACLU. Go see it for yourself, before you go off calling me a liar.
Debra...
Oh hi Deb,You never stop do y
March 11, 2007 - 22:07 ET by bigtimerOh hi Deb,
You never stop do you...how come you seem to only come out at night?
LMAO!
It is people like you on eith
March 11, 2007 - 23:01 ET byIt is people like you on either side of an issue who make others bias, bigtimer. If you have not noticed, I am immune.
I think I have noticed Debra,
March 11, 2007 - 23:14 ET by bigtimerI think I have noticed Debra,
You are the perfect definition of an ice queen as far as I am concerned, so of course you are immune...
Ice Queen? mmm... :o)Have a n
March 11, 2007 - 23:34 ET byIce Queen? mmm... :o)
Have a nice night, bigtimer.
Ohhh!
March 11, 2007 - 18:35 ET by misterbillOhhh! You crazy sci-fi fictional character, you are a scream.
PS I had forgotten about Fawn Hall. Thanks for the memory.
An ugly American is one who does not support his country.
If an ugly American....
March 11, 2007 - 21:33 ET by Tarn VedranDoes not support his country,
Then why haven't the Real Americans bitch-slapped Rove and Scooter for selling out secret info......
A real American would be and could be one who is willing to telling the powerful when they are screwing up........
...AND NOT just be a sunshine patriot.
are you suggesting that?
March 11, 2007 - 23:40 ET by misterbillare you suggesting that? I am a "sunshine" patriot. I believe I have done more for my country than you sir. I did my tour of duty in Korea.I always vote. I send what I can afford to veteran's organizations, until recently , I worked the polls. You are off in a wonderland of spydom that does not exist. Your name defines you. You are not a real person. I am in contact with my two Senators and my Representative on a regular basis. I assisted in the campaign for the Governor of Georgia and the Lt. Governor. I criticize them when I disagree and I email and praise them when I believe they are doing a good job. I suspect you only contribute(?) (your definition) by being a troll on conservative sites. I also believe that you are quite young and fancy yourself to be quite intelligent. Well, you may be, but you show a lack of knowledge with your shallow accusations. You seem to revel in the wrongdoing of those who are on the conservative side but you most likely give a pass to liberal wrongdoers. Further, and most important, you bore me. Go away and play with the other children. Play nice!
Oh, say hi to hater for me.
An ugly American is one who does not support his country.
He's a real doozy isn't he mi
March 11, 2007 - 23:48 ET by bigtimerHe's a real doozy isn't he misterb...
Those trolls were out in full force today bless their souls...oops forget, they lack those.
Thank you for your service sir...my gratitude to all those that serve past and present is endless.
BT
March 11, 2007 - 23:56 ET by misterbillI was going to do the "early to bed, early to rise" drill, but when I saw eeyore's answer to me, I couldn't resist. By the way the twisting of the above poem is:
early to bed, earlyto rise,
And your girl goes out with other guys.
An ugly American is one who does not support his country.
misterb,LOL!Can't blame ya a
March 12, 2007 - 00:00 ET by bigtimermisterb,
LOL!
Can't blame ya a bit, it happens to me too now and then, which I usually regret, because I never seem to stop at just one and get off of here...
....but I am now...I have got to get out of here, finish the bills and get ready for tomorrow.
You Trolls
March 11, 2007 - 18:30 ET by Guy Arthur ThomasOkay, times up you have already entered Trolldome. You started out trying to appear sincere and wanting a decent dialogue and you couldn't even wait a day to bring out the patented lib troll ridiculousness. Comparing your complaint about Bush or the administration with Ames or Hansen is just stupid...a 4th grader could determine that even if he didn't like Bush.
You want to be treated with intellectual respect and honesty with idiotic statements like that...Go back to KOS of HUFF....gawd you libs are just one shame after another...at least send someone over that doesn't succumb so quickly to the liberal mental illness virus.
Shut up and blog! If you claim to be a conservative, please don't disgrace yourself and conservatism by thinking and arguing like a liberal. Go Rudy!
Poor Guy...
March 11, 2007 - 21:38 ET by Tarn VedranLets see....Ames and Hansen sold out America and Americans for profit....
Rove and Scooter sell out a secret CIA company for profit (political)....
Sorry...I forgot, that was something more like a Stalinist purge...... Stalin would not only go after his critics...but their families too.....
Just a matter of degree
March 11, 2007 - 21:41 ET by Tarn Vedran...Since Plame is still alive.....
Maher has no right
March 11, 2007 - 14:36 ET by Mr. TerryBill Maher has no right to talk about our military like that. Until he has lain in a rapid fighting position (foxhole) with cold water up to his neck looking at enemy APCs cranking up, hearing enemy troops getting ready to roll his way to kill him then he has no right to call our professional fighting men dysfunctional and in an abusive relationship with their commander-in-chief.
Treasonous coward.
Same goes for the General who sits in his lofty office with his driver to take him to his "officers club".
So too, Cheney and Rove
March 11, 2007 - 14:41 ET by Tarn VedranWhen did either ever serve?
Yet, they attack those who have...
The Honor
March 11, 2007 - 14:43 ET by Tarn Vedran...is the soldiers....
The dishonor and treason has been the leaders of the Bush administration....
...repeatedly cutting funding for veterans
Remind you folks of anyone?
March 11, 2007 - 14:49 ET by RJDoes this Troll, bouncing around, trying to disrupt every thread, remind you folks of anyone?
For those of you who've been around awhile, it's the same sophomoric behavior of early hater.
I was thinking he reminds me
March 11, 2007 - 14:50 ET by Free StinkerI was thinking he reminds me more of Baracus, but I could be mistaken. ;-)
Believe it or not, on the manic scale, hater was
March 11, 2007 - 14:55 ET by RJBelieve it or not, on the manic scale, early hater was Baracus times three
Lucky me! :-)
March 11, 2007 - 15:02 ET by Free StinkerI never had the displeasure of seeing early hater.
Lucky me! :-)
I thought jc, chicken of the
March 11, 2007 - 16:37 ET by bigtimerI thought jc, chicken of the sea, and yellerdawg were worse than hater...and that is saying a lot!
Plus there is always little jimmy or St. James as he liked to be called...
LOL!
The Wild West, BT
March 11, 2007 - 16:45 ET by RJBy comparison to today, it was a little like the Wild West here before NB staff started shutting them down. And jimmy, hater and the others squalled and stomped their little feet when it began to happen...hater even coming in the back door, before he learned how to create new identies...ah, the memories.....and I don't miss any of those little Trolls a bit. ;^>
RJ,Oh yeah, this site is comp
March 11, 2007 - 16:58 ET by bigtimerRJ,
Oh yeah, this site is completely different now, but the ride was fun!
Now NB's is all over the place in the media...I love it!
Rush mentioned NB's again Friday a couple of times too.
I am so glad I joined...let alone all I learned....and continue to learn from all.
Have They Been Shut Down?
March 12, 2007 - 10:26 ET by emjem24RJ...
Have any of these trolls been shut down? I think a lot of the NB staff are scared of being accused of bias toward liberals themselves. I've seen these scum insult the military, the President, and even the existence of NB itself. It's like the existence of DailyK or Huff n' Puff isn't enough for them.
When Matt and his staff truly set up some criteria about membership on here, I think it would be better. I've complained to Matt numerous times with excerpts of trolls like TV to no avail.
I'm used to this in both my family and real life, but here I've found common ground with others who treat me with respect. When you have trolls on here that interrupt the goals/conversations, you get nothing but the cacophony that is DailyK or Huff n' Puff. We're not them...we don't wish for the deaths of liberals just simply them being unseated.
When NB really does something about this new batch of trolls, I'll feel they stand for something. If they let the cacophony of Bush hatred, military hatred, conservative hatred, and hatred for this country continue, it's no better than the sites I just mentioned.
The difficult we do immediately; the impossible takes a little longer. Air Force Motto
emjem says: When your brain's stuck on liberalism it self-destructs.
Yes, emjem, they have shut them down
March 12, 2007 - 10:56 ET by RJYes, emjem, NB staff shut down all those past Trolls, and many more.
I don't think they're so much "scared of being accused of bias", as they want to allow as much challenging debate as possible. Leftist sites are notorious for quickly dumping any who don't fully subscribe to their philosophy, while NB uses more of what I would call a "disruption" template.
Sure, it's a pain in the butt, but I think it's a great example of why conservatives are usually better at debate than leftists. Leftists typically want to shut down debate (i.e. Anthropogenic Global Warming), while conservatives accept the challenge. Sometimes I wish they'd act a little more quickly, too, but I generally agree with their apparent reasoning.
Emjem
March 12, 2007 - 13:35 ET by Noel SheppardEJ,
Your concerns aren't being ignored. However, please understand that unlike other websites, we actually are encouraging debate rather than stifling it. As such, we want liberal posters here, and can't just capriciously ban every person with an opposing viewpoint.
Please understand that being a troll doesn't necessarily mean expressing a contrary position with some vehemence and/or passion. Trolls are typically disrespectful to others and vulgar.
However, there's a fine line here, because sometimes a poster with a liberal point of view might get attacked and therefore respond in kind. Should he or she then get banned simply for dishing out a little quid pro quo?
With that in mind, I think that Matthew does a find job of balancing the desire to increase the number of liberal posters with the goal of providing an atmosphere that our members deserve. Are we perfect? Probably not. But, we're doing the best we can to accommodate all. ns
Moi????
March 11, 2007 - 14:55 ET by Tarn VedranIf so.... then I am just trying to straighten you guys out....so much misinformation here.....
I wouldn't want you guys to be considered biased.....
As to disrupting???????
I haven't sunken to name-calling...... merely pointing out errors and inconsistencies..... and giving some facts that seem to have been overlooked..... surely that was an oversight.....
I haven't sunken to name-call
March 11, 2007 - 15:01 ET by Free StinkerI haven't sunken to name-calling
It's only a matter of time. Once your ignorance of economics, human nature, and history become obvious to all, you will switch to ad hominum.
It is as inevitable as the failure of Liberal Policies.
Are you sure????
March 11, 2007 - 15:19 ET by Tarn VedranECONOMICS:
Explain how the explosive nature of the national debt is a good thing (more than $8 trillion and climbing fast)...
Either don't pay it down....and be a deadbeat......
Or pay it down so that China and Japan won't be able to destroy our economy...
Either way... it will hurt.
Also...why does the Bush administration always do Iraq off-budget? Does that mean they don't know they are there?
HUMAN NATURE:
Please explain why Bush doesn't care where OBL is?
Remember, it took him about six months to say "I'm not concerned" about the man responsible for the 9/11 terrorist attack.
Also... how many Iraqis were on the planes for the 9/11 attack????
HISTORY:
Has Bush 43 become like Xerxes?
Seems Bush's new kind of war has forgotten a lot of history..... (like the American Revolution, post-Civil War reconstruction, Spanish-American War.... and many more, including Vietnam)...
Or he never bothered to learn it....
And then the Moonbat goes and
March 11, 2007 - 15:38 ET by Free StinkerAnd then the Moonbat goes and proves my point!
Economics is more than just the budget (and the shrinking deficit).
If OBL is alive, we have hi pinned down and essentially rendered ineffective. But this isn't my point about human nature.
History. You don;t even know that the US Military never lost a batle in Vietnam. After we stablized the country enough to leave, the Demoncrat congress cut off military funding to South Vietnam, and then, only then, did the North invade in a conventional war. And shame on Gerald Ford who did nothing to stop it either.
No more free lessons Troll. Go educate yourself and come back.
Tsk...tsk..... bad intell again
March 11, 2007 - 15:59 ET by Tarn VedranShrinking deficit???? Still inhaling????
Add the off-budget Iraq costs.....then tell me how it has gone down.....
So explain when you would want to cut the debt. If ever.
Economics....the Bush administration has more books than the mafia....and even more creative.....
History... please check your facts.... Indochina was a guerrilla based war.... as was the Spanish-American War in the Philippines and the US south after the civil war.....
In each case... and others.... the hard part was finding the enemy except when they attacked.......
Free, it's pointless to talk to this fool.
March 11, 2007 - 16:16 ET by RJFree, it's pointless to talk to this clown. There is no such thing as a serious conversation with him.
Hater/howler is only interested in taunts and disruption. He wants to control. For every rebuttal you make, he'll throw in two or three oblique new challenges, dragging any conversation further away from it's beginning.
It's up to you, but I'd suggest you don't waste your time.
Tarn
March 11, 2007 - 15:09 ET by Guy Arthur ThomasUnlike crybaby diaper libs who cry foul with a little name calling, few here complain about such petty weaponry as long as YOU are TASTEFUL...okay fag brains? Heh Heh : )
Shut up and blog! If you claim to be a conservative, please don't disgrace yourself and conservatism by thinking and arguing like a liberal. Go Rudy!
Ah Guy....I am almost always tasteful
March 11, 2007 - 15:33 ET by Tarn VedranActually, it seems the GOP has forgotten conservativism over the last several decades......
Hmmmmm...
Then.... pro-American...
Now.....sell out everyone....including veterans....
Remember when Goldwater was considered the father of American conservatism....... By the time he died he was virtually excommunicated from the conservatives......
The GOP now believes in Greed and Control. Nothing more.
The GOP Congress over the last few years demonstrated just how Greedy and Controlling they could be....
So call me a Goldwater Conservative.... That is the only kind of conservative that doesn't carry a stink with it now. It may take decades to wash off....and the blood of countless veterans..
You do have a point...
March 11, 2007 - 15:51 ET by Guy Arthur ThomasYour general criticism is valid though I don't agree with every single point. The people that populate and control the Republican party are very different than the Goldwater types. Even Ronald Reagan, if he were alive and lucid, would listen to Sean Hannity and laugh is butt off everytime Hannity called himself a Reagan Republican.
The understanding of the political science which ultimately leads to the philosophy of Republicanism is severly absent in the minds of many Republicans. The former generation understood the fundamental principles of Republicanism and their ends, as well understood prescriptive implications and those previous generations were willing to in far greater measure bring themselves under such ideology with a significant comprehension of it. Their personal and pet moralities weren't demanded the kind of indulgent focus it screams for today. The party's greater good outweighed what is characterized by today's Republican...single or dual issue voting to the hurt of the party.
Shut up and blog! If you claim to be a conservative, please don't disgrace yourself and conservatism by thinking and arguing like a liberal. Go Rudy!
RJ -- you mean ignorant, il
March 11, 2007 - 14:57 ET by Jack BauerRJ -- you mean ignorant, ill-informed, mendacious and unfunny.
Could be any number of troll names that have washed up here over the years.
Possibly Jack
March 11, 2007 - 15:09 ET by RJPossibly, Jack, but the similarities to early hater are too striking:
The primary intent is disruption, the plan is to pile on as many opinion-insults as possible. Never a link.
The method is to become a hard to hit moving target. It's pointless to dispute anything he says because if you do, he's already moved through several other threads.
An ego-maniac and a pointless waste of time....that's our early hater.
Disruption? Never.. Opinion/Insults... I found those here
March 11, 2007 - 15:25 ET by Tarn VedranJust pointing out some of the more aggregious flaws found here..
Think of me as a fact-checker......
After all..... calling a decorated general a traitor while others sell out people who have honorable served....
Slight problem with target aquisition there.
Heh. Just remembered my nickname for early hater
March 11, 2007 - 15:29 ET by RJHeh. Just remembered my nickname for early hater: Howler
That would just drive him ban
March 11, 2007 - 22:20 ET by bigtimerThat would just drive him banana's RJ!
He must of waited for your return...eh?
LMAO!
Aren't you the scumbag
March 11, 2007 - 18:05 ET by Jack BauerAren't you the scumbag who called Col. George 'Bud' Day....
The highest decorated living veteran, Medal of Honor recipient, and co-founder of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth...
...a coward.
That was the word I recall you using in one of your other troll names, before you were banned.
Sorry....Wrong answer....
March 11, 2007 - 18:18 ET by Tarn VedranC'mon Jack.
This is you isn't it? joeco
March 11, 2007 - 20:26 ET by Jack BauerThis is you isn't it? joeconservative -- one of your many banned incarnations, writing about Col. Day.
He is a LIAR and scumbag and
Submitted by joe conservative on January 5, 2007 - 20:48.
He is a LIAR and scumbag and needs to be bitch slapped.
That post being in response to this from me
Responding to all the swift boat nonsense
Submitted by Jack Bauer on January 5, 2007 - 20:42.
all the swift boat nonsense about kerry,
You calling the Congressional Medal of Honor winner, Col. Day, a liar are you?
Sure, we believe you over Col. Day, hero.
If it wasn't you, my apologies. Now I'm sure you'll take this opportunity to commend Col. Day and his activities with the Swift Boat Veterans For Truth
Great catch, Jack!
March 11, 2007 - 20:39 ET by RJGreat catch, Jack! OF COURSE this is the same guy (as you probably know)
Hater/joeconservative/Baracus...it doesn't matter. He makes up lies as fast as he can type. Many of us caught him, re[eatedly, in blatant lies, but it never stops him because he doesn't care. Making true and factual points is not his intent. Disruption is what he wants. He is a full-fledged Troll, and it's why I won't engage him. It's neverending and pointless.
BTW, his current writing style is identical to those other incarnations. There are other identifiers that I won't reveal, in case he's reads this. Wouldn't want him to stop using them... ;^> I did mention on another thread, however, that this guy said his father was a Navy vet....same as hater....
He sure likes to use those in
March 11, 2007 - 20:56 ET by bigtimerHe sure likes to use those initials when he can Jack...
jc...been doing it forever.
He is obvious as always...good work you sleuth you!
Again.... sorry Jack
March 11, 2007 - 21:59 ET by Tarn VedranAre you trying to say that Karl Rove is a congressional medal of honor winner....? (grin)
That is funny.... in a pathetic way...
I found losts of swifties truth challenged....
But I left the name calling to the swifties.....
So I was right. You are the
March 12, 2007 - 07:38 ET by Jack BauerSo I was right. You are the truly warped person (formerly know as joeconservative) who called Col. George 'Bud' Day a liar and a scumbag. Wow. The chutzpah.
Once again, seeing you are so down with the troops, I ask you to commend the valiant and honorable service of Col. Day, and acknowledge his honorable service in assisting the Swift Boat Veterans for truth.
Come on. What's the problem?
Tarn, you need to do a little
March 11, 2007 - 19:18 ET by BlazerTarn, you need to do a little research, there cookie. Bush raised the funding of the VA over 6 billion dollars, after all of the Democrat cuts.
Also ask yourself, if Murtha is such a damn hero, why to this very day does he refuse to let his military records be released for scrutiny.
Ask yourself why after 76 years, also under Democrat majorities, and Democrat presidents, are the problems at Walter Reed being exposed?
A pure biased partisan attack on a Republican president, because the 17 surrender bills that the Dems tried to force down everyones throats, ain't flying, thats why, and it's just another desperate attempt to grasp at any straw.
Walter Reed is no more than a long walk or a subway ride away from Capitol hill, but it took WAPO to expose it. So to say it is the Republicans fault is hypocrisy at it's most glorious.
Remember we have an all vollunteer military Tarn, and as we speak plenty of people are still joining up. A close friend of mine who is married w/children, and who had a lucrative career just did. But I guess in yours, and your fellow Libs mindsets, he is just throwing his life away.
Not everyone in this country subscribes to the defeatism, and Eurabian capitulation model you Liberals do. Someone has to do the killing, why you guys do the shrilling. I dont' plan on my children, and grandchildren speaking Arabic, or Farsi.
Now off to the Daily Kos with you.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
Actually
March 11, 2007 - 23:06 ET by Tarn VedranBlazer... I would hope you would want your children to be ALIVE and WELL first.
Actually, I am smart enough to know my enemy before I attack...something this administration did not do.....
And also take care of the wounded...something this group forgot to do.....
The VA had problems under Reagan and Bush 41...and those continued under Clinton, but BUSH 43 has been like a cancer to the veterans care....
Here is a simple question... What did you do today to help a veteran????
I served through the Clinto
March 11, 2007 - 17:27 ET by lnthompI served through the Clinton years. You want to see budget cuts, for both veterans and active duty, just take a look there. Active duty and veterans all have been treated far better by Bush than by Clinton.
Lee T.
U.S. Navy (ret.) / Hillsboro, Oregon
I have enough money to last me the rest of my life. Unless I buy something.
I served in Reagan...
March 11, 2007 - 17:55 ET by Tarn VedranThank you for serving....
My father served from 1939-1969 in the Navy....then left...joined Civil Service from 1969 to 1994.....
He got disgusted at the treatment he received with the VA during Nixon/Ford.... so eventually he took Kaiser Permanente as his primary care.....
When I got out in the mid-80s, it was just as bad...with people injured during service labelled "Not Service Related"......
Clinton...at fault? Not really...unless you admit that all the rest at fault. Remember the "Peace Dividend" and the fact that he had a GOP congress for all but 2 years.... so the purse-strings were held by whom????
Bush supposedly promised to fix the problem....
...instead, he made it worse....and cut funding, closed programs at the same time he guaranteed a massive increase in injured veterans...
To my mind, that makes him worse than Clinton as far as Veterans care....
"Cut" = +60%, app
March 11, 2007 - 17:59 ET by sarcasmo"Cut" = +60%, apparently, unless Noel did the math wrong in an earlier thread. I'd like that kind of "cut" in my salary...They could even promise me 100% more and only give me 60% -- EEK!! A "CUT"!!
JMR
Sarc
March 11, 2007 - 18:18 ET by Noel SheppardJ,
Isn't this thinking consistent on the left? They're always saying budgets are cut, when you and I know that such is never the case.
Yet, this is a really wonderful example of a liberal without a clue. Imagine going to a public message board claiming that the VA budget was cut by Bush when it has not only risen by 60 percent, but also by more than under any president in many decades.
It's amazing how hard one has to try to protect one's dogma, isn't it? :-) ns
"Cuts" is the big
March 11, 2007 - 18:29 ET by sarcasmo"Cuts" is the biggest of the media's big-lies, and they need to get used to the fact that I'm NOT going-away, and that continued attempts at these lies will only lead to ridicule. There's no other choice besides "quit lying about government spending." I've shown a willingness to go toe to toe with the left or the right around here, and on this issue expecially I'm loaded for bear if ANYONE on the left is stupid-enough to want to take me on.
JMR
Sarc
March 11, 2007 - 18:33 ET by Noel SheppardJ,
But remember, to the left, the word "cut" stands for anything they want it to be. For instance, if a program last year got a 12 percent hike, and this year a Republican president proposes a 10 percent hike, the left view it as a cut.
This is a lie that has been regularly pushed by the left for more than two decades. Amazing, wouldn't you agree? ns
The amazing part is that th
March 11, 2007 - 18:52 ET by sarcasmoThe amazing part is that the media has SO consistently gone along with the lie, especially under Reagan. It drove me NUTS to see government growing AND the media misreporting said growth as a "cut," and I've never forgiven them. In fact, that's part of why I'm here (but the main reason was to get right-up in Bozell's face about the FCC going after Howard with my tax money!). I'm hoping it doesn't take me decades to get rid of the FCC, but I've been bitching about this particular "cuts" medialie literally for decades, and they STILL try to get-away with it...
JMR
Flawed as usual...
March 11, 2007 - 21:51 ET by Tarn VedranLets say you are correct about a 60 % hike (not really)......
If the number of soldiers receiving medical care increases by lets say about 200,000..... how would that be a hike.
Same amount of money, but it must service 200,000 MORE patients....
I love this Texas fuzzy math .... nothing ever needs to balance or add up...
If these guys were in charge of NASA, Russia would have won the space race...
Try facts....
March 11, 2007 - 18:44 ET by Tarn VedranGOP congress cut requests for head trauma treatment care?????
Vets asked for about 11.... GOP Congress/Bush wanted 7....to get it passed, it was barely moved to about 8
So 7 is more than 11 ? Must be that new math.
Two years ago, 21 billion in health care for disabled american vets..... That was an increase??????
Use math skills....
More than 200,000 requests for veteran treatment from Iraq alone.....
If we had not invaded Iraq....and had no additional wounded vets, then it would have been an increase ...
but add the newly wounded.....less per person......
also explain the closing of va offices.....as a positive
Disillusioned Dummy Libs
March 11, 2007 - 17:01 ET by Guy Arthur ThomasThe increasing numbers of ridiculous comments by Queen of the Bath Houses Bills Maher tell me he is getting desperate and it is echoed by television minimals such as Matthews.
Here is what I suspect. The libs thought it was going to be a party when the Dems won Congress. I believe because they generally are the most naive of the bunch of us they get suckered more easily and in their typically juvenille imaginations they truly believed it would be a mortal wound to Republicans, particularly conservatives.
Unfortunately it isn't true. The election came and went, the fanfare has died down and now The Obamination is showing himself to be a minor-leaguer, Hillary to lack the substance many accused her of lacking but were unable to see until now as the layers of her pseudo-personality is exposed and beyond that there is the edge of a cliff over which Kerry has already jumped and been dumped, Biden is hanging by the necktie of a "clean black" but soon to fall and nothing beyond that. Maher knows the Democrats really are Dummycrats and at a time when they should be bringing out their prized cow...they only have spotted pigs to offer.
Maher is getting desperate because the Republicans have a very strong field and a very non-dynasty field and most attractive is Rudy G who is appealing to many Dems.
To top that off, the truth is Maher knows his relevence is lessening all the time and soon will be relegated only to bath house attendees. Desperate the man is and the party soon will be.
Shut up and blog! If you claim to be a conservative, please don't disgrace yourself and conservatism by thinking and arguing like a liberal. Go Rudy!
Must disagree...
March 11, 2007 - 17:41 ET by Tarn VedranUnfortunately, your analysis is flawed.....
Like predicting a football victor in the first three minutes of the game.
All of the announced candidates have flaws.....even the GOP ones.
The smart thing to do would be to look for facts and substance....
...again, something all have to work on.
If you want, you can even use the Reagan tactic of ..."are you better off now, than you were...."
With Bush43, that would be a definite no.
And looking at the GOP herd.......
.....the answer would more likely be the same for each of them....
As to the democratic hopefuls, one would have to listen first to REALLY find the answer.
Come on Guy... no need to name call....
"are you better off no
March 11, 2007 - 17:47 ET by lnthomp"are you better off now, than you were..." at the end of the Clinton administration? Let's see: Record low unemployment, low interest rates, record high stock market, low inflation, housing market no longer booming but existing home sales are still moving along, consumer confidence high, etc.
"With Bush43, that would be a definite no." ??? Why is that -- did you lose your job recently? take a pay cut? is your personal situation worse than the rest of the country?
Lee T.
U.S. Navy (ret.) / Hillsboro, Oregon
I have enough money to last me the rest of my life. Unless I buy something.
Hmmmm.... 2 hours later, lots
March 11, 2007 - 18:45 ET by lnthompHmmmm.... 2 hours later, lots of notes from Tarn about who might or might not have revealed or concealed secrets but no attempted rebuttal of the economic facts? Darn, just when I thought he was a really creative troll.
Lee T.
U.S. Navy (ret.) / Hillsboro, Oregon
I have enough money to last me the rest of my life. Unless I buy something.
Is the glass full....
March 11, 2007 - 22:13 ET by Tarn VedranExample: Retirees dumped by GM and other companies.....
so people who had a small stipend to live out their lives get a cash sum... sometimes like $40..... and they have to go back on the job market...usually in low paying part time jobs....
Example: Several people I know have had to take three or four part-time jobs in order to pay the family bills......
As a miltary retiree you are protected from that happening...but what would you do, if the company you worked 30 years for eliminated your pension...tomorrow. How would you pay your bills....?
Many of these companies stopped funding their pension plans for years....and then just cut the people lose.
I just hope it doesn't happen to the military retirees....Hopefully, you are hoping that too.
BTW, one reason for the housing sales figures is the "creative" financing plans.......and the boom in foreclosures will be coming soon.... again.
Well...
March 11, 2007 - 17:53 ET by Guy Arthur ThomasWell...I wasn't really predicting the elections...but I'll stick with what I have right now and that is regardless of the numbers of Dems that show up for debates and enter the election...Maher is desperate and using the language of desperation.
As far as my use of mockery (which includes the petty but sometimes useful weapon of name calling to emphasize my mockery of the ridiculous), that is all part of this form of debate and won't be ending anytime soon.
Shut up and blog! If you claim to be a conservative, please don't disgrace yourself and conservatism by thinking and arguing like a liberal. Go Rudy!
Another Arm Chair Quarterback
March 12, 2007 - 09:37 ET by emjem24Unfortunately, this is yet another general who has nothing better to do in his retirement. Instead of him going off quietly into the sunset or getting a contractor/civilian job like most, it makes much more sense to spout off on this pathetic show.
There will always be generals like this who like to hear the sound of their own voices. You'd be surprised to know that there are quite a few liberals in the military as well (especially in high positions). While the military is overwhelmingly conservative, you will always have these shills (that come from the high ranks) for the democrat party. Sad but true.
The difficult we do immediately; the impossible takes a little longer. Air Force Motto
emjem says: When your brain's stuck on liberalism it self-destructs.