France Makes Effort to Criminalize Bloggers, Internet News Sites


In a warning to the sanctity of free speech in a democratic nation, France is about to show us what happens when the state is allowed to legally determine who is allowed to be a "journalist", or who is a "legitimate" source of news: You get the criminalization of speech.

France bans citizen journalists from reporting violence

The French Constitutional Council has approved a law that criminalizes the filming or broadcasting of acts of violence by people other than professional journalists. The law could lead to the imprisonment of eyewitnesses who film acts of police violence, or operators of Web sites publishing the images, one French civil liberties group warned on Tuesday.

This would, in fact, place the power to silence whistleblowers from being able to expose abuse by government officials into the hands of those very officials in the case of police abuse, for instance.

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But, the French government isn't only trying to stop the internet broadcasting of violence – a goal that almost sounds reasonable if not thought out too thoroughly.

The government has also proposed a certification system for Web sites, blog hosters, mobile-phone operators and Internet service providers, identifying them as government-approved sources of information if they adhere to certain rules. The journalists’ organization Reporters Without Borders, which campaigns for a free press, has warned that such a system could lead to excessive self censorship as organizations worried about losing their certification suppress certain stories.

Ah, here we go. A "certification system" is merely another word for government censorship and total control of the media.

We in the USA better watch this kind of dangerous curb to free speech. If this approach becomes popular in Europe, this kind of oppression will surely knock on the doors of Congress in short order.

Call this an early warning.


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France paving the way to Stalinism

France paving the way to Stalinism. . .  or is that Hil•lar•ism?  

They can squash you if they c

They can squash you if they can get you under their rule. Thats what this is about. Control what the media can do and say and dictate who is the media. Can you say "Little China"?

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

why is it that anything franc

why is it that anything france has ever done, currently does or will ever do ... elicits nothing more than contempt in my mind ... a country that only survives as it does because the US and Britain allow it ... france is NOT a world power ...  hasn't been one since the 19th century (even that is debatable).  france's modern existence seems to be relegated to serving as the old, reliable tomato can that germany can pummel whenever it gets an itching to fight.  why the rest of the world even cares what france does at all is truly amazing.

if you ever want to read an excellent book on how pathetic france has been toward the US, please check out  John Miller's book:  Our Oldest Enemy:  A History of America's Disasterous Relationship with France

"at some point people need to realize that there is more to being an american than just exercising his/her rights" - me 

Liberal Methods!

Wait until the Libs in the USA get this idea!  It's their method today to out-law "hate speach" or out-law "words" they don't like!  Of course this helps stifle dissent on their policies!  If the policy is not good - no one can complain because they've out-lawed the right to complain!  Wow, what a perfect COMMUNIST world they want us to live in!

I'm pretty sure that the Un

I'm pretty sure that the United States is the only country with an enumerated Free Speech amendment or clause in it's bill of rights with no get out of giving it clause.

France has an amendment or paragraph in their declaration of freedom (or whatever it's called) which states that they have free speech as long as the law allows it... meaning that they really do not have good free speech protections.

Basically all other nations other than the US have "exception" clauses that are worded in such a way so as to not raise alarm.

The US has no such clauses... so we can say just about anything and get away with it.

____________________________________________________

"Society in every state is a blessing, but government, even in its best stage, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one." ~ Thomas Paine

"so we can say just ab

"...so we can say just about anything and get away with it."

Apparantly you can't say "faggot" and get away with it.

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

MM, what are you talking ab

MM, what are you talking about? Was Ann Coulter fined, arrested, or otherwise punished? Nope. She's free to call people 'faggot', but she knew exactly what she was doing. And the rest of the world has the right to point out that the remark was just the cherry on top of a god-awful attempt at a comedy routine.

I was just being snarky Rup

I was just being snarky Rupert. I know we live in a free country where you can say any liberal talking point you want and call anyone a liar (including the president) you want. And not be called to the carpet by the media nor be arrested by the thoughtpolice. Yeah ,yeah... I know all that... :-/

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

Maybe she should have stuck

Maybe she should have stuck with the rehab-angle, since a Hollyweird-lefty apparently did go to rehab just for using the word. I still think Ms. Coulter should remove it from her vocabulary for a while in honor of Ken Mehlman's years of excellent service to her political party.
JMR

Agreed sarc, she didn't eve

Agreed sarc, she didn't even touch the controversy in her column today. She might be taking advice such as yours. I did notice her site has been down for two days. Probably some hacking hatchet job from left wing nutjobs like the "venerable" FatesWebb.

Oh, I'm sorry did I say "venerable"? I meant "viral".

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

You're right (but as a hack

You're right (but as a hacker advocate, I'd prefer it if the more-accurate term "cracker" were used when describing this kind of pointless, malicious crap) I can not hit her site, and IMO it's probably due to a DDOS attack. This moronic action by lefties, if anything, makes Ann a more-sympathetic figure IMO.
JMR

Sarc, off to rehab with you!

Sarc, off to rehab with you!  Cracker is a racist term for whites.  Oh, the perfidy!  Oh, the humanity!  Victim here!  Victim here! </sarcasm>

"A communist is someone who reads Marx.  An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx."  Ronald Reagan

What ever happend to &quot;

What ever happend to "Honky"? I liked being called a "Honky", so nostalgic. Never heard of "Cracker" until recent.

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

Heh. Good one, MikeB. Rehab

Heh. Good one, MikeB. Rehab might need rehab after exposure to me! :) Seriously, though, the word "hacker" is IMO possibly as widely-misunderstood and poorly/variously defined as the word "liberal." Much of the internet as we know it (including the imperfect-but-often-damn-good "hacker-style" anarchic Wikipedia) wouldn't even exist if it weren't for hackers, many of whom -- despite the mediabias & therefore the misconceptions surrounding the word -- explicitly call themselves "hackers." Because hackers generally do not respond very-well to assertions of arbitrary authority, they're not terribly popular with politicians & big-media despite their obvious abilities & unique contributions to society, resulting IMO in continued mediabias against the word.
JMR

Considering the very-unwise

Considering the very-unwise legal precedent the USA has recently set regarding gaming, that's a particularly-wise warning for blogging European travelers...
JMR

Um, yes, break our laws and

Um, yes, break our laws and you will be gotten. It's that simple. All he had to do was block US IP addresses. But it's not limiting free speech, it's limiting gambling.

Don't like it? Complain to your congressman or woman.

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"If we do not hang together, we shall surely hang separately." ~ Thomas Paine

Why bother? It's clearly pa

Why bother? It's clearly part of "port security" and therefore requires no debate! (And note I mentioned nothing about free speech, in this case the right being limited sans-debate happens to be the forgotten-as-the-9th-amendment "right to contract" in the Constitution.)
JMR

This is a reduction in freedo

This is a reduction in freedoms, but while it is, it is also the law.  Why did he have to be in the USA?  It will likely blow over and he will get a slap on the hand.  Now an important question is why are his operations in Costa Rica and not the UK?  I think I know but I want to hear your answer. 

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark. -- save my gun, shoot a liberal.

I'll tell you, but you won'

I'll tell you, but you won't likely enjoy my answer. First of all, a question, though: Why not explicitly-repeal inconvenient parts of the Constitution instead of making piles of laws that contradict them sans the inconvenience of actual debate? I want to know your answer to that! As to why gaming companies choose Costa Rica, it's because of pro-business regulatory & tax policies in that country, but please note what Mr. Carrouthers repeatedly said for at least 5 years to the USA before it arrested him in transit on a stopover. "Regulate and tax us, we want to be legitimately in the USA." The problem is, crooked gaming lobbyists (Oh, no! The USA has had no experience with any of those recently, eh?) own the politicians and don't want to see competition like BetOnSports (or hell, the casino I mention in my own info here!) competing with them in (horrors!) a free marketplace when they can have thugs arrest the competition instead. I wonder why?
JMR

If I understand your point

If I understand your point correctly (I think, it came off incoherent in a lot of places), I too agree that it seems too many freedoms are being erroded. As Jonah Goldberg quoted in one of my favorite articles of all time:

In Democracy in America, Alexis de Tocqueville warns: “It must
not be forgotten that it is especially dangerous to enslave men in the
minor details of life. For my own part, I should be inclined to think
freedom less necessary in great things than in little ones. ...”

“Subjection in minor affairs breaks out every day and is felt by the whole
community indiscriminately,” he continued. “It does not drive men to
resistance, but it crosses them at every turn, till they are led to
surrender the exercise of their own will.”

..We have democratized the small assaults on freedom so that everyone
must endure them, while we caterwaul about the tyranny of any real
inconvenience that might fall “disproportionately” on the few. We ban
using trans fats for millions but flinch at the idea that some kid
might have to endure the Pledge of Allegiance or a moment of silence in
school if it conflicts with his conscience. Everyone must surrender his
shoes, his regular-sized toothpaste and shampoo at the airport, but we
man the barricades to protect a few young Muslim men from being
inconvenienced for an extra five minutes at the airport.

What's incoherent about wha

What's incoherent about what I said? (And is this, "don't bother to be specific" day??)
JMR

Is it me, or are you attemp

Is it me, or are you attempting to argue with someone that's agreeing with you? Here I'll go remove that line if it hangs you up so much.

Maybe you're just being inc

Maybe you're just being incoherent? And see my other comment for why I'd ask that question...
JMR

Now I suddenly hear Arnold

Now I suddenly hear Arnold on Conan O'brien:
"You're a good one Conan!"
Of course, there isn't the possibility that your words are not adequately conveying the thought you wish to other people. Nope, must be all their fault. Don't suppose you could ever like... TRY rephrasing something just to see if it clears things up.

Whew! I thought it was just m

Whew! I thought it was just me!

(Someone will have to be kind enough to show me how to hyperlink to a spot on a page, but I am right under Sarasmo's link)

Look, I already proved on t

Look, I already proved on the other page linked above that I can answer specific questions if/when I finally-get them. I'm sure it's my fault in this case for not reading your mind correctly, but I really don't have the time to repeat myself today. If you have an actual question or questions about what I said, try the radical step of asking, and see what happens...(But it can't happen 'till I'm back from poker in a few hours, so you've got lots of time!) And if you want to try to claim that calling my words "incoherent" (without yet being specific...) is the same as agreeing with me, well, that's up to you.
JMR

You don't have time to repeat

You don't have time to repeat yourself, except for repeating that you don't repeat yourself.

Heh, you beat me to the obv

Heh, you beat me to the obvious.

Or maybe to the content-free.

Or maybe to the content-free...
JMR

Just so I'm clear, you'd ra

Just so I'm clear, you'd rather pick a fight with someone agreeing with you on your original post instead of just... oh i don't know... saying something like "yes you were correct, that is what I'm saying" or "no, you were off, let me rephrase". I've never understood the point of deliberate trolls.

As long as in your world &q

As long as in your world "agreeing" includes calling-names, without ever bothering to be specific, sure... And likewise on the deliberate-trolls comment, I've stood by what I've said here for months. I'm no drive-by, you only WISH I'd run-away instead of making fun of you. Sorry, ain't gonna happen.
JMR

See other thread regarding re

See other thread regarding reading comprehension, or in this case lack of same.
JMR

Whine, whine, whine. Everybod

Whine, whine, whine. Everybody else can read minds on this blog, so I can't understand why you can't, too.

Whine.

Frankly, &quot;everyone els

Frankly, "everyone else" sometimes seems unable to read plain words...(Or do YOU also somehow "remember" sarcasmo advocating above-ten-percent instead of less-than ten-percent taxes even though I never-have?)
JMR

Challenger, re: Pledge of All

Challenger, re: Pledge of Allegiance in schools.  If I am not mistaken, that lawsuit was brought because a school system was trying to force a student to say the pledge of allegiance against that student's will.  This was a clear violation of that student's first amendment rights.  The intention of the parents was for the school to provide their child with an education, not a political indoctination.  It was the court that decided that saying the pledge at all was unconstitutional.  In this case, both the school system and the court over-reached.

"A communist is someone who reads Marx.  An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx."  Ronald Reagan

Hillary

Hillary, the Democrats, and the press probably already have it in their minds to find a way around the Constitution and limit internet access "for the good of the country". Hold on.

NEVER,NEVER trust a liberal

France is pain grillé.......

France is pain grillé........pain grillé brûlé. Their failure as a country is now almost complete, as they are but one step away from a dictatorship.

If the democrat party wins the White House & the congress in '08, we will be facing something similar here at home.  The true freedom-hating left would love nothing more than to silence dissent by conservatives, or anyone else they do not agree with.

we the unwilling

This,"is" no different from what the "news outlets in "Tax-n'ura$$' are doing for the good of the people, they may-get a chance to hear something other then what the socialist's want them to hear , and say, ?bozo la'globe,npr,  sports-aka"talk"-radio, so, long's it's on the "left" side it's "ok"

Bless and support All the troops-Liberalism "is" a mental disorder,

viva le surrender

It seems for every freedom the Europeans turn over to their government, the more additional freedoms they feel they must surrender to right the increasingly bloated ship 'Socialism'.

The French do have a penchant for 'surrender to fight another day'. However, I never thought the French would surrender to themselves just to fight themselves another day. Liberty surrendered to Liberalism a long time ago in France. Where are the infamous resistance fighters now?

oh that reminds me of my ne

oh that reminds me of my new favorite joke:

"Who wins in a French Civil War?"

...

...

The white flag industry.

... also the used arms indust

... also the used arms industry. After all, no rifle in France shows much wear. You see, they've only been dropped once.

They only dropped them so th

They only dropped them so they would have a free hand to grab that other vital piece of equipment issued to all French soldiers.

The all-important white flag.

The trannies on all French

The trannies on all French military vehicles are specials: one forward speed, five reverse.

&quot;What do you expect from

"What do you expect from a cluture and a nation that exerted more of its national will fighting against Disney World and Big Macs than the Nazi's?" 

- Dennis Miller

Here's a good one.

"I don't know why people are surprised that France won't help us get
Saddam out of Iraq. After all, France wouldn't help us get the Germans out of
France." —Jay Leno

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

MM,What the French-imitating

MM,

What the French-imitating trolls in here fail to understand is that, if it were not for the USA, the average Frenchman would be driving around in a Volkswagen, eating Wiener Schnitzel on a stick and singing Hitler Uber Alles, or whatever that insipid song was.

Dave, um yeah, that's true

Dave, um yeah, that's true I guess, but does it really have anything to do with they're position on Iraq? 60+ years later, France is supposed to be our foreign policy bitch?

Besides, if we're gonna play that game, if it weren't for the French army's assistance at the Siege of Yorktown, we would be eating tea and crumpets and paying taxes to London instead of Washington.

Rupert,Many historians, mili

Rupert,

Many historians, military and otherwise, do not subscribe to the belief that French involvement in the Revolutionary War, while helpful at Yorktown, would have affected the eventual outcome of the war.

As for your assertion that I would want the aid of the French in anything is hilarious. I wouldn't let those clowns retrieve my mail, as they would probably surrender to the dog.

As for Iraq, I'm currently re-evaluating my position as it pertains to our involvement there. Perhaps liberals need to get a real up-close look at what we are really facing in this war. If Pelosi, Murtha and their supporters have their way and we do end up cutting and running in Iraq, many of the martyr wanna-be types currently flocking to Iraq and Ashcanistan will be coming here, setting off bombs and blowing up innocent women and children.

I don't know, Rupert, but perhaps when they have lopped off enough heads, blown up enough school busses, bombed enough churches and schools, mowed down enough mall-goers, taken enough hostages and raped enough school-girls to suit you on the left, then maybe, just maybe, some of the liberals among us will finally get it. God knows that Islam's near re-conquest of Europe, its bloody mass expansion in Asia and Africa still hasn't convinced many of the libs that Western Society is now at serious risk.

There will also be a near future benefit to us losing in Iraq, which the democrats have made perfectly clear is their ultimate goal here, and that will be the total and utter destruction of the Democrat Party. It almost happened after Ted Kennedy and the rest of the pro-communist America-hating elements of said party engineered our "defeat" in Viet Nam. 

Perhaps Nancy Pelosi, John Murtha, Dennis the spinach-head, and all the rest of the spineless cowards who now head up the party of Marxism./Leninism will finally manage to accomplish what their predecessors came close to doing in the '70s and finally rid this country of this hideous crowd of perverts, misfits and freedom-hating failures.

Does this sort of ranting m

Does this sort of ranting make you feel better? Do the administrators contact you about all this productive name-calling?

And seriously, no one crafts a cutting portmanteau quite like a pissed-off conservative. "Ashcanistan"....that's almost as good as "libtard" and "Shrillary."

I never asserted that you would want help from the French. I was referring to when they did help our burgeoning country 225 years ago. As we all know, they are ill-mannered and refuse to use anti-perspirants, so I can certainly see why you wouldn't want them retrieving your mail.

The rest of your entry just makes me laugh. It's like Rush Limbaugh collided with a John Birch Society tour bus.  It's the same "Democrats hate freedom" talking points that get recycled every day.

We ceased to owe France ANYTH

We ceased to owe France ANYTHING when they conducted an undeclared war against the fledgling US Navy immediately prior to the War of 1812.

Even so we landed in France in 1917 to support them.

We landed in France again in 1944 to liberate them.

We provided them support in Southeast Asia in the 1950's.

We have ceased owing them ANYTHING, and with interest attached.

We have ceased owing them A

We have ceased owing them ANYTHING, and with interest attached.

So what does that come to?

Just kidding. I'm not saying anyone owes anyone else anything. Quite the opposite.


rupert's point is fair

I often berate Dave R for his out-sized animosity. He's very macho, you knooo. (A little Mexican lingo dere.)

I was in Paris last year and never met anybody who wasn't warm and cheerful toward me & wifey. They all seemed friendly enough. Of course; I went there a bit apprehensively. Their gendarmes are not known to get in the way when you're about to be stabbed or hit with a flaming torch. Muslims hardly know they've left Afghanistan, they're so bold.

Last spring a train to Nice was taken over by a group of black African muslims, with every Frenchman in every car terror-stricken while these muslims rioted every which where. Did the police ever apprehend any of these thugs? NO! This is La France! they said. Every man for himself! Lucky nobody was killed.

As someone who trained with t

As someone who trained with the frogs for many years, trust me, I never came across ANYBODY who was warm and Cheerful towards me.  Usually, their sole goal was to make Uncle Sam look bad.

Totally unlike the Brits, Norski's, Danes and especially the Dutch who were AWESOME.

Racist

"Muslims hardly know they've left Afghanistan, they're so bold."

What's this?  Tumbles a racist?  And a hypocrit, too?

Change the sentence to "Mexicans hardly know they've left Mexico, they're so....."  and he'd be all over it, with his special brand of ad nauseam mouth-foaming name-calling of racist, Nazi, jackboot, etc.

RJ, you're obviously begging

RJ is begging again, for an ass-whupping. This is his Daddy who can administer it.

I didn't make a single racist remark. Mainly it's because Mexicans don't run around starting riots in the streets, or offending you for nothing. Mexicans in this country illegally are persecuted on all sides. An arab in Paris is not. Tell me why I should mince words about a bold and violent muslim?

I thought we were all lambasting the old europeans for being too politically correct ? That's what you repay me with for being honest and telling you the truth? YOU can-- "change the sentence, to Mexicans, blah blah." --I wrote what I wrote. Don't change a word, Half-wit.

The hypocrite is the one who puts HIS words in another man's mouth and is dishonest in his intent. You "change" something to make me guilty of your own evils. Thank God you're too stupid to be discreet doing it. You show your devious intention openly.

This one is also a liar, because he knows very well I didn't call anyone Nazi or Jackboot nor have I foamed at the mouth. But I called out his hatred and racism, long ago. He hates me now. He's the one slavering like a Chris Matthews clone; dripping with mucus and hatred. It's all there in his post, poor Putz. RJ can't hide it.

Stomp and shout, Tumbler, but you're still a racist hypocrit

Stomp and shout and foam at the mouth, Tumbler, but everyone can see that you're a racist hypocrit

if you say so, chris matthews

Keep on spraying, Chris Jr.

Early onset dementia

LOL!  What's that, Tumbles? A schoolyard taunt?  Early onset dementia?  OK, I'll play along.....And so's yer old man! 

you're losing your temper

RJ lost it.

He was unable to make old tumbler back down, but he's too embarrassed to quit beefing. So he continues wanking and drooling. Poor Kid. Never had any luck in an even contest. He only strikes at backs, and here I face his sorry mug. Turn your back, Tumbler, fight clean! Ha!

Is it your early onset dementia, Tumbles?

Is it your early onset dementia, Tumbles, that makes you behave as if you're in a schoolyard?   It can't be your culture....

RJ.. See you're having your f

RJ..

See you're having your fun in the barrel with tumb on this subject...

Good luck friend... LOL...

 It is endless with him on this topic...no matter what. 

Hi BT

Hi BT.  Yeah, just playin'.  He's sorta demented, and you can't take him seriously.  Oh, well, gotta get ready for a meeting.   

Poor tumbler the bumbler, he

Poor tumbler the bumbler, he goes through life thinking he's normal then he goes whacko whenever someone says the dreaded words "illegal aliens".

I'm almost starting to feel sorry for him, almost.

The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.

hello ? excuse me, bigtimer ?

Let me ask you: Who busted in with the abusive post? Look up here /

I was referring to Paris. In a flash we have the pest here attacking ME. Yet you tell us, "It is endless with him on this topic...no matter what." You think I should quit? I already did, many times; but these cretins come at me with their hate, as this mutt does. He says I -- "foam at the mouth," because-- Are you ready ?

Because: I have good people like HIM disagreeing, simply that. What a CLOWN !

I fail to see how Tumbler's c

I fail to see how Tumbler's comments make him a racist.  If you keep the statemant in context, he's refering to people that have emigrated from countries where the culture is often very violent, to the extent that these people often gather under WARLORDS. These same people then fail to assimilate into their new culture, thus keeping their previous violent culture intact.  While definitely not the case for everyone, the fact that riots erupted proved that they feel as though they are above the established authority.

Insufficient Context

Your name provides your answer, Insufficient Context.   My post turned Tumbles' own words back on him from multiple past postings.  It has nothing to do with Muslim or Mexican culture.  

As many on this board can tell you, Tumbles is a ranting zealot who condemns as racist anyone who disagrees with his interpretation of the illegal alien situation.  Those who do receive a litany of mouth-foaming invective.  He throws the "racist" epithet for far less than when I transposed nationalities in my post above...and that, of course, is what I was jabbing him for.  Naturally, like a true zealot, he denies flatly that he does it, just as he denies calling many of us Nazis, brownshirts, SS Troopers, etc. 

But he did so many times...and we've provided him with his specific posts many times.  However, in his dementia, he still denies everything.  Conversely, when asked to provide specific racist things any of us said, he refuses. 

If you want to get the flavor of Tumbles' special brand of communication, just read the board for a few days.  He's always on tap for a freak show.

R J pretenses again exposed

He can't win, but neither can he stop himself:

"As many on this board can tell you, Tumbler is a ranting zealot who condemns as racist anyone who disagrees with his interpretation of the illegal alien situation."

As anybody who READS any of my posts can testify, R J is lying.

I don't condemn anybody for "disagreeing." I condemn racist speech and white supremacist rhetoric DAILY used against a silent ethnic minority. Again I clarify: Tumbler supports all immigration laws. Therefore, R J has no other option vesus his honest opponent except to lie about him. --Here, for instance: ". . . denies calling many of us Nazis, brownshirts, SS Troopers, etc. He did so many times . . . and we've provided him with his specific posts." Just plain lying.

We disagree, and so he's a racist? Not because we disagree. Because he hates Mexicans, period.

Clean your monitor screen, Tumbles

Many of us have have proven over and over, with specific posts, that you have called us Nazis, SS, etc, Tumbles.

Now it's your turn.  Prove that I hate Mexicans. 

 You can't do it, and you know it.   Like any spittle-spewing zealot, all you can do is rant foolishly at anyone who disagrees with you. 

Tell me, Tumbles, is this racist?  "Mexicans hardly know they've left Mexico, they're so unwilling to change their culture."

R J continues to lie

You keep on saying you proved what you NEVER proved, little racist. There was only one idiot who was called a FEMI-Nazi, when I taunted back at her for having called ME a "dick heaid" Yeah, my refusal to back down became deliberate taunting; I called her a bimbo as well. (Bimboes are known to use indecent language sometimes.) But no, I never called you or others Nazis. It's not open to dispute; you made that up.

Nor do I foam; though the other day one of your cohorts called me "rabid" -- Nor is this "dementia". I keep my head as I respond to your filth. I don't need to drop down to the gutter, like you. --You're out of control, I guess. May I repeat, then ? You're a liar.

Tumbles have you cleaned the spittlefoam from your screen? Good.

Tumbles, have you cleaned the spittle-foam from your screen?  Good.  Read this:  you called ME a brownshirt, SS, and a jackbooted gestapo.  I proved it several times with specific reprints of your posts.  Each time, you puffed up your chicken neck and said "that's not what I meant.  That's your interpretation." 

Given your habit of flying off the handle and engaging in schoolyard name calling, Tumbles, it's pretty obvious that you meant exactly what you said, even if you whine and deny now.

My offense at that time?  ONE SINGLE POST, in which I didn't even mention the illegal aliens from Mexico.  My crime was saying that you argued like a liberal.  That's it.  NOTHING else. 

R J alert:

You're lying.

You can't produce any post like that. If so, just post it, liar.

Addressing me with invectives and vile hate speech isn't proof. And your goofy complaints are based on lies. As before; I say you're a Chris Matthews clone.

Now that I've drowned out your screaming, I can go back to addressing human beings once more. --Ciao, Cry-Baby.

Time to wipe your screen again, Tumbles

Not only did I provide the posts for you, Tumbles, I did it several times.  Each time you denied it was what you meant, even though you used the labels over and over.   Several others have also provided proof that you used those same labels on them.   But you are far too demented to accept reality, and producing it again will only have the same result.   So why should we be responsible for providing it yet again? 

See, Tumbles, I don't suffer from the mental instability that allows you to wipe out your past and create a whole new minute-by-minute "reality".  Because of that, I don't need to repeat the same pointless action over and over. 

So, of course you call me a liar.  You have to.  That and mouthfoaming is the only defense a demented zealot has.   Otherwise, you'd have to face the reality of your sorry demented and racist existance.

dear r j stop lying

Stop your lying. You produced nothing to prove I called anybody a Nazi nor the other things. I know you didn't, since I know I haven't done it.

I'm just quoted making a perfectly appropriate analogy, comparing ethnic hatred and racism as practiced in the 1930s by Nazis; compared with the ethnic hatred and racism against Mexicans in our midst. -- By bigots like you and a few others. The word Nazi was mentioned again in passing as FEMI-Nazi; a term popularized by none other than Rush Limbaugh. I aptly debated the similarity of your actions and hatred against an ethnic group to that of prison guards of the Gulags, and racial hatred of Nazis for Jews.

And, Bozo, it's a fitting comparison. Very appropriate to your Mexico-bashing and hatred of that country and its good people, and the way you clearly despise illegal aliens most of whom are Mexican nationals and non-white. Once more I call you the big liar. You produced NOTHING proving I called you a Nazi. Yet you repeatedly say evil things about me; using defammatory language every time. Like "foam-at-the-mouth", demented, racist (don't see how) and worse. Then accuse me falsely. I challenge you to show your proof, and what have we? More vile insults, no proof. You're a dimwit and a phony. That's not foaming, that's plain facts!

This argument has gone long e

This argument has gone long enough I think....I am advocating to both Tumbler, and to those who disagree with him (which includes me) that we rewind, start over on a clean slate, and move forward.

You are perfectly correct

I mean to stop and somehow return to civility. But I'll respond every time another bigot denigrates Mexico or its poor, lies about them, or about me-- I can't permit it and they'd better know it beforehand. This is my country too; I'm free and I can defend myself.

All I am saying is there is a

All I am saying is there is a lot of name calling going around, and it gets old...I don't care who called who first, I'm just saying this arguement has gone on for months.  Sorry to say Tumbler, but most of the work will need to come from you, because you have the reputation.  Starting with rebuilding a new reputation.  Instead of getting angry, you will need to ask questions and if the poster if prejudice it will be obvious to everyone...your questions will expose him/her.  Instead of saying "you're wrong / I'm right" type of argument, show them how they are wrong.  Be nice even if it kills you. 

CV, you're right of course

CV, you're right of course.  I'm tired of it, too, but here's the problem:  Tumbler has taken it upon himself to attempt to loudly and crudly bully anyone who disagrees with him him.  In effect, he has declared the subject of illegal immigaration off limits.  I wouldn't take that from a Troll and I won't take it from him.

a pest goes on & on

What a DOPE. " In effect he has declared the subject of illegal immigration off limits." In effect you're a nincompoop, R J; the same nincompoop who came here out of left field this morning when I was discussing conditions in Paris, France with other people; to try to clobber me with more hatred. But since you're failing, you fall back saying I "foam at the mouth" -- and how you hate me in a thousand other ways?

Did I pick on YOU? Every time I leave you in peace you drop out of sight like a worm in an apple. But then you reappear and start your BS over again. So I told you you were back for a new ass-whipping and tumbler would administer it for you. --WHICH I HAVE, and you limp around saying, I won't take it from him! HA! Putz can't win, so he threatens! Go jump in the lake, you little pest !

Check your meds, Tumbles.

Um, better check your meds, Tumbles.  It was yesterday that you posted your racist comment about Muslims.  (Dang!....lost another day.)

No, I don't hate you.  Really.  I pity you.  On the subject of illegal immigration, you are actually demented.  You are literally unable to hold a conversation about it without name calling and throwing insults at anyone who disagrees with you.   That makes you a sick old man with an anger management problem.

I don't threaten you, either.   What would be the point?  I only describe your attempts to bully this board into silence on the subject of illegal immigration.

Hey RJ,I see we're back to th

Hey RJ,

I see we're back to the same ol' same ol'.

Sometime later I will repost all of tumbler's totally despicable Nazi rants...with links.

I think it's on my other computer.

You know....I'm the Nazi (you remember...the one who's trying to get into his bed, with my "ugga bugga" tattoos, and the LUGER)...you're the jack booted brown shirt.

I think it's about time tumbler gets booted for good....so he can go over to Stern and post with his little pal haysie.

I am well and truly over this garbage....and take that in the spirt it's written...  :).