With the Democrats now in charge of Congress the media is joining them in bringing back some favorite of their favorite boogeymen and on this morning's Today show that boogeyman took the form of the credit card companies and their "abusive" practices. Teasing a Lisa Myers report NBC's Ann Curry charged that credit card companies are "...accused of making it difficult for the average person to pay off that bill. We're gonna show you some of the tactics they allegedly use to keep the dollars flowing in." To which Today host Meredith Vieira piped in: "It's pretty awful."
Throughout the segment the credit card companies were portrayed in almost loan shark terms that had them taking "advantage" of unwitting customers. In her report NBC's Lisa Myers told the story of mild-mannered Charlie Bassham's struggle against the credit card companies and then brought on Democratic Senator Carl Levin as the proverbial hero to the all the Charlie Bassham's across America.
The following are the various teases and then the full Myers segment as it aired on the March 7th Today.
Ann Curry: "And then if you can't seem to get out of credit card debt it might not be an accident because the nation's biggest credit card companies are on the firing line in front of Congress today accused of making it difficult for the average person to pay off that bill. We're gonna show you some of the tactics they allegedly use to keep the dollars flowing in."
Meredith Vieira: "It's pretty awful."
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Curry: "But up next how credit card companies stack the deck against you even when you're trying to your very best to do the right thing."
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Meredith Vieira: "Do you ever feel the pressure when that credit card bill comes in the mail and it is time to pay up? Well this morning the tables are being turned and it is the credit card companies themselves on the hot seat in front of Congress. NBC senior investigative correspondent Lisa Myers has more. Lisa, good morning."
Lisa Myers: "Good morning, Meredith. Today the CEOs of the top three credit card companies in this country, Citi, Chase and Bank of America are being grilled under oath about industry practices which critics say are abusive and designed to keep millions of Americans in debt. For Charlie Bassham paying his credit card bills on time, every time was a priority. And sometimes it was tough."
Charlie Bassham: "We're a middle-class family facing all the pressures that, that most families face and do not live extravagantly."
Myers: "But last year after missing a payment by a couple of days for the first time he was slapped not only with a late fee but also a higher interest rate. Raised from 10.4 percent to a staggering 32.3 percent, leaving him struggling to make monthly payments."
Bassham: "I really couldn't believe, I'm sitting here thinking that is what they think of you. They don't care, you're just a number. You're just an account. All they want is the interest."
Myers: "A recent government investigation found that in the last several years the credit card industry has piled on a complicated scheme of fees, practices and interest rates that significantly increase consumer cost. Late fees and over-the-limit fees have more than double. Payments are first applied to balances carrying the lowest interest rate. A single late payment can drive up interest rates on other credit cards. And when a consumer fails to pay his entire monthly balance interest is still charged on the amount paid, as well as on what's not paid."
Sen. Carl Levin: "They charge you interest on the money that you paid in a timely way it seems to me is outrageous."
Myers: "Of course all these costs and fees are spelled out by the companies in tiny, fine print and in language even a senator with a Harvard law degree is hard pressed to understand."
Levin: "Well let me try a few lines...'Recalculate separate balances subject to finance charge for category A balances and category B balance...'Calculating daily balance for each day prior to the statement's billing cycle that had a pre-cycle cash advance balance'...Clear as mud. Nobody can understand that."
Myers: "The Basshams refinanced their home to pay down their credit card debt but are still angry about what happened to them after falling just a little behind."
Bassham: "I think it's totally unfair and it's designed, it's designed to, to, you know, to keep people further in debt for a longer period of time. It just makes the banks richer."
Myers: "Now one of the goals of today's hearing is literally to shame the CEOs of these companies into abandoning what critics calls the most abusive practices and to get much clearer disclosure language, Meredith, so that consumers better understand just how much trouble they can get into."
Vieira: "Lisa there are a lot of people who owe on their credit cards and they pay the minimum every month on time, figuring eventually that they will pay down the debt. So what is wrong with that?"
Myers: "Well the ultimate harm, Meredith, is that you'll end up paying a heck of a lot in interest. Take the average American with about $5000 in credit card debt. If you're interest rate is around 16 percent it would take 12 years to pay that off making the minimum payment and you'll end up paying $2500 in interest. And all that assumes you don't make any new purchases."
Vieira: "And what are the credit card companies saying about all of this?"
Myers: "Well that all of their practices are legal and fully disclosed when consumers sign up for a card. The banks also argue that many consumers are paying lower rates than they used to. That it's those considered greater credit risks who get hit with extra fees and higher rates."
Vieira: "So Lisa what's a consumer do to avoid being taken advantage of this way?"
Myers: "Educate yourself, compare interest rates across card and try to pay your monthly balance in full. And if you are tempted to put a big ticket item on plastic there are Web sites that have calculators that let you plug in your debt and your interest rate and learn just how long it will take off to pay that money, how long it will take to pay off all that money, which may give you second thoughts."
Vieira: "Okay Lisa Myers, thank you very much."
Myers: "You bet."
—Geoffrey Dickens is the senior news analyst at the Media Research Center.















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That's a very delicate
March 20, 2008 - 17:36 ET by GordmanThat's a very delicate matter and that's because credit card companies usually have an aggressive way of promoting their products. As long as they are transparent for everybody and they respect peoples privacy I am OK with that.
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Please, if you sign a contrac
March 7, 2007 - 19:43 ET by AtheistRepublicanPlease, if you sign a contract you are responsible for it, maybe you should have read it better if it bites you in the behind, to bad! What is with the bias against personal responsibility, fools pay for their foolishness.
This is an issue that absolut
March 7, 2007 - 21:55 ET by mike dThis is an issue that absolutely should have NO PARTY AFFILIATION and is exactly what good government should be used for. Credit card debt is one of the biggest destroyers of families in the united states, like it or not, irresponsible or not. Let me share with you a few things.
Credit cards are mailed out today to college kids and kids who turn 18, preapproved. Kill them when their young and not knowledgeable in economics. This is predatory and ruins kids credit before they are even ready to purchase their first car, etc. Face it, Credit Score is the single most important aspect of purchasing power today. And lets face it, most 18 year olds are fools. There is no high school class on credit card management.
Here's what happened to me. (Short Version) I had a CC since College, never any problems, rate at 8.9%, $1,250 balance from school books, etc. My parents always stressed to me the need and value of good credit. I used the card expressly for school purposes, in case any of you forget, college is expensive and money isn't exactly readily available unless your last name is Hilton. Well, my wallet was stolen ( with the CC inside of it) and because of that, they raised my rate to 21%!!!!!!! I was so pissed off, i canceled the card and vowed never to do business with them again. Thats where the major problems started. Can any of you educated gentlemen tell me what happens when you cancel a card? I didn't know, and i was so pissed I didn't care. Well, they raised the rate to 29.99%, and set the "overlimit" to my exact balance on the day it was canceled. The next day, when interest is accrued (without a bill or warning), I was charged an "Over Balance" penalty of $35. Man, whether you think I am a loser or not, i did not have the disposable income at the time (I was a college Senior) to pay the whole thing off, so I paid the minimum plus penalty. Then, because the card was canceled, after every payment i made, they lowered my credit limit to the new balance and charged me the overlimit fee the next time. It was INSANE! Not only that, did you know you cannot transfer a balance of this sort from a canceled card to a lower APR card?
I estimated that it cost me about $5,500 to pay off $1,200 is school books. Man, i don't care if Karl Rove, Nacy Pelosi or Malcolm friggin X decide to take on these companies, they are getting my vote.
History has shown us that business unregulated is business raping America (Love Canal, anyone?)
I certainly hope this isn't made into a partisan issue. I have wrote letters to all of my representatives, including Shumer and Clinton (D), Tom Reynolds (R), Spitzer (D) and Pataki (R) before him, all the way down to State legislatures asking for somebody to take this topic on.
For mike d
March 7, 2007 - 23:27 ET by UnsaneYou apparently have a deep-seated hatred of both capitalism AND freewill. For some reason, I get the same offers that everyone else does, and face the same temptations, yet my credit score is just fine and I do perfectly well on my meager income...so much so that you want to steal from me in order to coddle those who fail.
If people want to live above and beyond their means, while I live prudently, why do YOU want to punish ME? Oh, I forgot. You are a Leftist, and that is how you are wired.
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
March 7, 2007 - 21:56 ET by mike d
Credit caard companies
March 7, 2007 - 19:59 ET by niner-four-whiskeyI'm sorry, but this is one area of business that DESPERATELY needs regulation.
"Sign a contract and live with it."
It would be nice if that were the case. The contracts are purposefully written to confound even the most trained of legal scholars. Many card issuers advertise terms and conditions that they have no intention of ever issuing or honoring. Typically, the process is to offer teaser rates and terms to lure customers. Then, within a few months, the issuer begins sending ammendents to the card's terms.
Who among us hasn't gotten those little slips of paper full of mumbo jumbo every few months about changes in the terms of the credit agreement on our cards?
Even though I'm a religious balance payer, I've been screwed over by one major card issuer who had set into practice a scheme to post payments to accounts as late as possible. I've had one have the audacity to credit my account 1 day after the due date, when the check cleared my bank 5 days earlier. It took a half a dozen letters to get the late charges removed. Some years later, I received a check from them as part of a class-action settlement for this very practice.
I'm sorry, but the consumer money-lending industry in the country has long since departed the realm of honest business. There are just too many schemes and traps set for even a wary consumer to stay clear of.
This industry is ripe for reform.
The Dems will do nothing about it either. They get their palms greased as much as anyone.
Being "Pro-business" is very different from being "Honest-business."
"Honest Business" is a conservative core value.
I don't mind the occasional
March 7, 2007 - 20:18 ET by dabalI don't mind the occasional law prohibiting certain practices, but when you say things like "regulation", you drum up nightmares, at least with me, about telephone and power regulation ending up being worsened by the government.
You may want to clarify what you mean by regulation...for us libertarians who think government is primarily evil...
dabal...I also agree with you
March 7, 2007 - 20:24 ET by bigtimerdabal...
I also agree with your view when it comes to regulations...something must be done though IMO.
I think these hearings today may have woke some of them up....yeah right...we'll see, time will tell.
nine-four,Could not agree mor
March 7, 2007 - 20:22 ET by bigtimernine-four,
Could not agree more with your post, I too have had similar experiences...takes forever to get it straightened out, at our own cost...let alone our credit rating being affected.
I too have had a check in the mail from a class action suit because of practices that are well just down right filthy.
I have learned to be very wary and oh so careful.
Class action is powerful, but
March 7, 2007 - 20:36 ET by Conservative VoiceClass action is powerful, but even better is loss of reputation. Competition is a wonderful thing.
Well, I 150% agree with your
March 7, 2007 - 21:59 ET by mike dWell, I 150% agree with your post, and i'm a liberal (or so I'm told). I think "honest Business" is an American value, not political.
Indeed, you do agree with &qu
March 7, 2007 - 23:30 ET by UnsaneIndeed, you do agree with "honest business", especially if it means having the government steal from the successful on your behalf and otherwise ruthlessly punishing the successful for the unforgivable crime of being successful.
Tell me something, when do such words as "freewill" and the ability to say "no" from time to time EVER enter the picture?
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
Not to cause a ruckus, but
March 7, 2007 - 20:08 ET by dabalNot to cause a ruckus, but I think it's "loan shark" not "lone shark".
Please don't be offended.
That's funny!
March 7, 2007 - 20:14 ET by BlondeThat's funny!
Hey, you!
March 7, 2007 - 20:21 ET by RJHey, you, c'mere. I wanna talk wid youse.....Hey! I said c'mere!
Speaking of this....
March 7, 2007 - 20:35 ET by Roger the ShrubberSpeaking of this....
I would like to suggest to
March 7, 2007 - 20:39 ET by ckc1227I would like to suggest to Senator Carl Levin that we apply the democrat Iraq policy to credit cards and other credit-related vehicles by withholding or withdrawing government support in these areas. It's the only way to encourage Americans to stand up and take responsibility for their own financial well-being.
Even the "victim" in the piece was a victim of his own making: he was late on a payment, and got whacked for it. Harsh? Perhaps. If you aren't happy with the service you're getting, take your business elsewhere. Just like the "victim" in the article did. And the reality is, he probably got a better rate because of his change.
"It would be nice if that were the case. The contracts are purposefully written to confound even the most trained of legal scholars."
Then don't sign the contract. It's just that simple.
Reminder: Don't forget to pay your taxes. 12 million illegal immigrants are counting on you.
Does anyone else know that if
March 7, 2007 - 20:42 ET by Tony SDoes anyone else know that if you pay the full amount of your credit card bill each month you get charged NO INTEREST. Not only that but many cards let you get bonus points, which you can cash out (I made several hundred dollars on credit cards last year ... and paid zero interest).
The problem is people who don't read what these cards are all about. No doubt some people find themselves in tragic situations wher they HAVE to use credit cards to charge things they cannot immediately pay off. But from what I have seen, the majority of credit card users simply abuse their cards, thinking tomorrow will never come.
Whatever happened to living within your means? How did we become a society that does not understand limits? Money-obsessed conservatives are to blame for this too. Keeping up with the Jones stupidity knows no party lines. Also, perhaps the gradual dominance of female influence in the marketplace has resulted in a shopaholic culture. In the 1950s they had a word for this: Shameful.
Great points, all of which we
March 7, 2007 - 21:39 ET by SmartypantsGreat points, all of which were ignored in the report. Responsible people take a look at how much they can afford to spend monthly and do not surpass that amount unless it is an absolute emergency. You hit the nail on the head, if you pay the entire balance each month, virtually all of that "fine print" becomes moot. The credit card is then just a convenient means of writing one check each month instead of a dozen or more. Plus, you get to hold on to your money a little longer, taking advantage of the float. Credit cards and their issuers are not the problem here; lifestyle choices are the issue.
I hope you never fall down an
March 7, 2007 - 22:03 ET by mike dI hope you never fall down and run into money problems, brother. I'd love to hear you explain your moral high ground to the Credit card Companies when you just can't pay your balance. Is being hit by a bus or being out of work a lifestyle choice? And give me a break with this "buy only what you can afford" moral highground crap. Did you pay for your house in cash? Did you furnish it in cash, did you buy your car, pay for your college, etc. etc. Its a borrowering economy, pal, and your moral outrage at all of us "exuberant lifestyle choice" people reeks of "holier than thou"
mike you have to admit that p
March 7, 2007 - 22:12 ET by Conservative Voicemike you have to admit that personal repsonibility has to come into play...it seems if I took your argument all the way, I would have to conclude no one can handle their finances, so we should have government handle it for them. It is possible to limit your debt so that it is managable, even if you get hit by the bus. For example, pay off credit cards each month. Don't buy a house you can't afford. Pay for a car in cash. I would say the same for college, but as there are great loans that are pretty cheap, it seems ok to graduate and increase your job potential. You are using the old liberal play book, we are all just one pay-check away from being homeless. We need to help people manage themselves, and you can't do that with government money, ie you will amount to nothing if nothing is earned.
Please read my previous post
March 7, 2007 - 22:32 ET by mike dPlease read my previous post and tell me what i did wrong. My student Loan would not cover books, and i didn't have the cash. My parents are deceased, I needed a credit card to continue. Sorry, but the jobs a 18 year old can have pay 5.15 an hour (4.25 at the time). Its not about government handling problems, its about what a government is for. if your belief is that government should strictly be for organizing foreign wars and regulating interstate trade, then i suggest you report back to 1895, before the government introduced the Sherman AntiTrust Act in response to unfair and consumer predatory business actions. Your a conservative, i imagine, so I have a question that kind of relates but definitely confounds me.
Your against gay marriage and want the feds to outlaw it, even a constitutional ammendment, and the usual reason is that it assaults the american family. Well, I feel divorce, alcoholism, etc. are a far bigger threat to marriage, and what is the number one cause of divorce? FINANCES.
Even if we could all live in your Pay-as-you-go utopia (Most of us can't), I'd say to you, do it for the family. Put in some consumer protections, if it saves one marriage, its morally sound.
If you want to use your Visa as a great little tool to save you from writing checks, God Bless, but I can garauntee you that the VAST VAST majority of Americans use their credit cards in emergencies and for things they absolutely NEED.
So again, read my top post and please tell me, in your infinite wisdom, what i did wrong. This is not a political issue, no way no how. This is one of the most fundamental functions of governmanet, protect consumers against business fraud and danger. Nobody is saying the g'ment has to bail us LOSERS out, just regulate, make sure that people know what they are getting into, make sure that they cannot lower your credit limit every time you make a payment, insuring that you will never get out unless you have the means to pay off the whole thing. G'ment regulates business and protects consumers, its what the FDA does, its what Federal Food Standards are for, its what the EPA does, its what OSHA does.
You can't tell me that in todays world you don't see that finaicial ruin is just a great a threat as food poisoning and job safety.
mike d,You make some valid po
March 7, 2007 - 22:40 ET by Blondemike d,
You make some valid points.
There are numerous credit counseling agencies, and people should avail themselves of this service as a first resort, rather than a last resort.
I'm no lawyer, but whatever happened to usury laws?
Mike...Live and learn, don't
March 7, 2007 - 22:51 ET by Clear thinkerMike...
Live and learn, don't cry about it, do something about it. Words to live by.
I went through the credit card nightmare once in my life. The lesson learned from it was to give up on credit cards. After once having 9 of those plastic feel-good cards, I now have one. And this is only used to rent autos with (because the damn rental companies won't rent you a car without one). Other than that, I have absolutely no use for them.
The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.
Clear,Quite so.
March 7, 2007 - 22:54 ET by BlondeClear,
Quite so.
I did have the additional adv
March 7, 2007 - 23:24 ET by Conservative VoiceI did have the additional advantage of having parents, and I went to a junior college before I went to college. I was able to do it on a $400 a month income and student loans, and living at home while at the junior college. It was tight and tough, but I did it. Some join the military, others are able to get scholarships to pay for the books. My dad when he went to school didn't buy books...he was able to find the books he needed in the library. Often it was the book of last year, so it made it more difficult, but he did it. Anything is possible if you remove the boundaries you put on yourself. Government programs make it easier to succeed money wise, but they kill the man.
Look at it this way. You ju
March 7, 2007 - 22:18 ET by NL207Look at it this way. You just learned one of Albert Einstein's great truths: "Compound Interest is the most powerful force in the Universe." And all this for only about $5,000.
If you look at the stats of w
March 7, 2007 - 22:32 ET by Tony SIf you look at the stats of what people overspend, its on extravagant items, not necessities. And had you read my post carefully, you would have noticed I said that I can understand people going into debt because of unforeen tragedy. I had one myself and got a loan.
Anyway, it's not a "borrowing ecomony," my sarcastic, deluded "pal." Not if you do what I did: Buy an affordable car, start with a small affordable condo. Pay them off. Save money. Get bigger stuff when you have saved. Never ever keep up with the Joneses. And never indluge greedy materialistic American women. There are more than enough good women to date who aren't impressed with what car you have.
This is how I did it. I have no mortage and no car payment.
Also, I'd like to mention that I did this by listening to the advice of my grandfather, who grew up in the depression and trusted neither banks or credit cards. Ignore the trendy blowhards, who are better known as "parents."
Do YOU want financial self-sufficiency?
March 8, 2007 - 00:14 ET by UnsaneSee, when I have money problems, mike d, unlike you I do NOT go crying to the Nanny State to help me. Rather, I have these novel financial vehicles called "savings accounts". Perhaps you have heard of these? Because I have managed to save 20% of my paychecks on a consistent basis for years now, and have invested some of it (and otherwise lived within my means), I don't worry all than much about interruptions to income. Indeed, I just came out of an extended period of unemployment, and I survived that, not by running screaming to the Big Nanny Government as you'd prefer, but by falling on my own cushion for awhile.
You want to avoid 99% of money issues in the future? Don't say it can't be done: that's a whiny cop-out, and I am living proof that it CAN be done. Do the following simple things:
1) Spend less than you earn.
2) Don't sign up for every credit offer that comes your way. Everytime I visit my bank online, I get a message reading "You are pre-approved for a consumer loan!" Now, does that mean that because I am pre-approved, to go take out the loan? No. Everytime I go to a department store, I am offered to sign up for department store credit cards. Does that mean I should sign up for them? No. I get several credit card offers a week...and that is why I bought (with cash) a shredder.
3) Save 20% of your paycheck without fail.
4) Max out your IRA contributions every single year until you retire.
I realize that this is considerably harder than sitting on the ground and throwing a temper tantrum, screaming for government to come along and do your thinking and financial management for you, but it really is the ONLY ticket to self-sufficiency. Which reminds me:
5) Stop plotting to use government to steal from your neighbor, employer, etc.
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
Thanks for agreeing with me U
March 8, 2007 - 02:38 ET by Tony SThanks for agreeing with me Unsane. Glad someone out there does. Hey, do you know there are online savings accounts that give you over 5 percent interest? I'd mention names, but I'd probably get cited for free advertising. You advice about saving is well-noted I will say -- it's almost exactly what my grandfather told me way back. Those Depression-era types knew their stuff. If only the Baby Boomer hippies hadn;t come along and ruined everything with their wild spending ways and crappy music.
Except for Creedence Clearwater Revival. They were the only listenable act at Woodstock IMO.
More ranting on this thread and responses
March 8, 2007 - 08:04 ET by UnsaneThe problem with society, as exemplified by mike d and other posters on this page, is that everyone out there wants a 100% no-fault existence (hat tip to Tom Clancy). You have credit card debt and are deeply in hock? Why, it CAN'T be YOUR fault for putting your name on the dotted line and not doing what you need to do to be solvent: the Big Bad Corporations all stuck guns at your head and FORCED you to take up those credit card offers!!!
It is quite nauseating to read so many posts from whiners on this thread who cannot figure out what "freewill" means and the power of saying "no".
When I was a college student, I got ALL of those same offers of easy credit, but because I saw what happened to my two older sisters when they ran themselves into debt, I stayed away from them for years. As a result, it was a real b!tch later to establish my credit, but everything worked out.
Which leads me to point #6 (and another poster already wisely pointed this out): you CAN use credit cards, but if you pay them off every month, what interest charges will you run? Zero. Oh yeah, and your credit rating rises as a result.
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
Hell, if you pay 'em off re
March 8, 2007 - 08:21 ET by sarcasmoHell, if you pay 'em off religiously-enough, it's like they're gluttons for punishment. My mailbox is continually barraged with 0% balance-transfer offers from card companies who, having "shared" data with other card companies (but nobody wants me to talk about that) all for some reason wish to do business with me. And maybe most consumers (who presumably don't get all the offers I'm bombarded-with) are behaving this irresponsibly because they've seen their government behaving exactly the same way -- "borrow & spend."
JMR
Myers: "Educate yourself
March 7, 2007 - 22:01 ET by GalvanicMyers: "Educate yourself, compare interest rates across card and try to pay your monthly balance in full. And if you are tempted to put a big ticket item on plastic there are Web sites that have calculators that let you plug in your debt and your interest rate and learn just how long it will take off to pay that money, how long it will take to pay off all that money, which may give you second thoughts."
So let me get this straight. The bottom line of this faux "news story" is Read and understand the fine print. Don't sign a contract that you don't understand.
Isn't this just common sense? Did Mr. Bassham's education fail him? Apparently so.
This is my first comment ever
March 8, 2007 - 01:58 ET by MBombardierThis is my first comment ever on this site. I am trying to distract myself from my life. My husband and I had excellent credit and a nice nest egg about three years ago. My husband was charged with a gross misdemeanor for following directions at work and being made a scapegoat for others. We paid out over $85,000 to attorneys. He had a nervous breakdown and could not work for 18 months. We had no choice after our savings ran out but to use our good credit rating for money to live on. Our debt goes up by $100's every month. Sunday night, my husband overdosed on pills because of severe stress and depression caused principally by our financial situation. He was released from the hospital today. We have no health insurance.
I know--hard cases make bad law, but interest rates of 30%+, late/overlimit fees over $50, and phone calls daily or more often by minimum-wage people who are paid a bonus if they strong-arm a payment out of you, are all indicative of an industry out of control. I have to believe that we are reaping the harvest of all those people who bought what they wanted on plastic and then had no compunction to pay for what had gone on the plastic. And unfortunately, we have become a society which relies on the government to govern our lives and circumstances rather than governing our selves. I don't see the free market taking care of this one.
Well, MBombardier, I'd like to welcome you here.
March 8, 2007 - 02:12 ET by acaiguanaWell, MBombardier, I'd like to welcome you here.
I extend to you wishes for strength to get through your current issues. I'd suggest some serious time with any one of your attorneys for help in dealing with the problems of the bills.
ACA
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Quoted from: 'Acaiguana Notes from the Bomb Shelter' (soon to be a movie at theaters near you)
Ignorant
March 8, 2007 - 03:32 ET by niner-four-whiskeyI've read a lot of the comments on this thread and predictably, a lot of knees jerking.
How many of you know what happens in this situation:
You pay your credit cards off every month, religiously, before the due date. The mortgage company, screws up and reports you 30 days late. Or maybe, you just goofed up and didn't pay the cable TV bill on time.
What happens? Have you read the fine print on your card agreements?
Do you think:
A.) Nothing, as you've maintained a perfect payment history with them.
B.) Your credit card issuers instantly raise your interest rate to the default rate of 23.2% and calculate interest on every penny since the last payment, eliminating the grace period and charge you a $35 default penalty. Even though you've never once paid them late.
Go ahead. Read the terms and all of the ammendments to the terms that have been issued since your card has been issued.
Item B is called, "Universal Default". Sound wrong? Sound illegal? Sound like honest business to you?
I garantee you, some of you smart-alecks have cards that include a universal default clause in the agreement and you don't even know it.
I'm a pretty strong proponent of self responsibility.
March 8, 2007 - 04:22 ET by acaiguanaI'm a pretty strong proponent of self responsibility.
Credit cards are really not necessary to live. Proper management of assets and such are pretty important. If one finds themselves in a situation where credit cards are eating up all of their income just to support, then one needs to cut the cards up.
Regardless of the reason the first thing people need to do is reduce their lifestyles to fit their incomes. I do understand the occasional 'emergency' but it is still a personal choice to use credit to live rather than alter lives to fit income.
ACA
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Quoted from: 'Acaiguana Notes from the Bomb Shelter' (soon to be a movie at theaters near you)
If you live a non-trivial lif
March 8, 2007 - 05:07 ET by niner-four-whiskeyIf you live a non-trivial life in this world, you have credit cards. You can't rent a car or buy airline tickets or reserve a hotel room without one. How a bout those of us who travel on business? We charge things on cards and pay from expense reports.
We haven't even touched on the other side of the coin, which is the merchant agreements. The card issuers make money on both sides of the transaction, not just the consumer.
I still maintain what I origi
March 8, 2007 - 09:51 ET by SmartypantsI still maintain what I originally posted above, most people should not charge more than they can afford to pay off entirely each month, period. In cases of emergency or catastrophe, we may be forced to charge more; however, wise people understand there are alternatives to credit cards for borrowing. It is often much cheaper to obtain a line of credit from a bank. Homeowners can obtain a home equity loan, which is cheaper and usually tax deductible. Of course, these other options depend on a person having reasonably good credit from the start.
And to the person who asked what would happen if you missed a payment, I've experienced some instances where credit card companies posted payments late, which I know I paid well in time. I simply called the company and asked them to reverse any interest charges and fees, or I'd be taking my business elsewhere. Generally, they respond to this approach.
There is a difference between someone who runs themselves into debt just living life as opposed to someone who experiences some illness, injury or other hardship. Let's not confuse these two things. The media often uses examples of people who seem to want everything in life and are griping because they cannot afford it. Apparently, the credit card companies are to blame for their problems.
they are extremely abusive.
March 8, 2007 - 09:54 ET by buddycthey are extremely abusive. glad to see them controlled. i doubt levin will go far enough.
if you make an agreement with someone it is not proper to have favorable legislation that allows one side to unilaterally change the terms at will. what is good for one side is good for the other. i have seen people charged 35$ late charges on a $2.00 balance. in one instance it went on for 8 months.
this should be a good republican issue. finance companies are no friend to the republican party.
So true. I've been there an
March 8, 2007 - 15:56 ET by HokieconSo true. I've been there and done that and refinanced my house due to my inability to make the minimum payments. I'm the sole breadwinner at home and was out of work for a while, which ate away at all my savings and 401K accounts. Things are looking up as we've paid off most of the cards and are waiting for our tax return to pay down the last big one.
My biggest gripe with the CC companies is the 25 day billing cycle. This means that they get an extra month or two of payments each year. If you miss the due date, then they play "gotcha" by jumping up and down on your interest rate 'til it pops. They can keep the rest of the crap they do so long as we get back to the "once a month" payment cycle.
--Hokiecon