Scooter Libby Juror to Matthews: I'd Like Him to Get a Pardon

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The headline is that Ann Redington, Libby juror #10, wants Scooter to get a pardon. But there's actually a bigger story. It is Redington herself. If you have a chance to watch a replay of her appearance on this afternoon's Hardball, billed as an exclusive, I'd urge you to do so. She is enough to renew one's faith in the goodness and intelligence of our fellow Americans.

As Matthews observed, Redington demonstrated an impressive ability to separate the wheat from the chaff in the trial, and appeared open, honest and without any political ax to grind.

View video here. The clip is longer than usual because I consider Redington's comments to be of historical and cultural significance.

Excerpts from the interview:

Matthews: "What did you think of Scooter?"

Re: I thought he seemed like a really nice guy. It wouldn't matter if he were a nice guy or not, the whole thing was obviously very difficult to have someone's future in your hands. But he seemed like a ton of fun."

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Matthews: "What do you think his motive was to break the law/"

Redington: "I think he caught difficult situation where he got caught in the initial lie and it kind of snowballed.

Matthews: ""What did you think of the prosecutor, Fitzgerald?"

Redington: "Very earnest, nice person."

Matthews: "Almost virginal, right? Didn't he seem like a real straight-arrow? Like he never had been married, never had a date, never had a hangover, never had anything?"

Redington, with a smile: "No."

Matthews: "What did you think of Ted Wells, the impressive-looking defense attorney?"

Redington: "Quite flamboyant, very entertaining to watch. I thought Mr. Jeffers [co-defense counsel William Jeffers] was fantastic."

Matthews: "What did you make of that very emotional appeal by Mr. Wells as the end?

Redington: "To give Scooter back to him? It wasn't germane to anything."

Matthews: "Was it pathetic?"

Redington: "No, it wasn't pathetic. He was caught up in the moment. . . What the lawyers said in the closing arguments, that's not the trial. The trial is the evidence and not what the lawyers say in their closing arguments." Precisely.

Matthews: "You were known to have cried during the reading of the verdict."

Redington: "It was very emotional. . . I'm not a big weeper in real life, but it was very difficult."

Matthews: "Jeepers creepers, why were you a weeper?"

Redington: "Because it was hard. I didn't want to have to see him and his wife, and say we think you're guilty of a crime. It's a hard thing to do."

Matthews: "So there was certainly nothing in your heart that was vengeful, you were doing what you thought you had to do. And yet you did it against a person you so liked. . . Did you feel affection for him?"

Redington: "Sure, yeah, he looked like a really nice guy."

Matthews: "You seem like such a human, nice person. You say you're not very political, you told me in the make-up room."

Redington: "Correct."

Matthews: "Here's a question that is more human than political. Scooter Libby is eligible, as is any American who's been convicted of a crime, for a pardon from the president. Do you think he should get one?"

Redington: "Whether or not he should get one, I don't know if I have a valid opinion. But I would like him to get one."

Matthews: "OK, that's a valid opinion. Do you think he should get one now, when it might cost the president a little trouble but would keep him out of federal prison. or do you think he should get one at the end of the term when the president could do it like midnight Christmas Eve when no one is watching? What would be more appropriate?"

Redington: "It certainly would be interesting if he got one now. It would be more interesting to follow. Obviously, tt would create work for you,"

Matthews: "What did you make of the prosecutor's closing summation where he said 'the Vice-President is under a cloud'?"

Redington: "Rhetoric."

Matthews:"God, you're tough. You're great. Rhetoric. God I like the way you separate the wheat from the chaff. You've decided on the wheat, and the wheat is a conviction, but you cry for this guy."

Redington: "It was awful."

Matthews: "And you want him pardoned."

Redington: "I don't want him to go to jail."

Matthews summed up: "Thank you dear, you're a very nice person." Indeed.

I wrote the opening paragraph of this item on the fly, before a later segment in which Howard Fineman among others appeared. Interesting, then, how much Fineman's awestruck reaction to Redington paralled my own. He took things a step further, stopping just short of proposing to the former juror. Invited by Matthews to ask her a question, Fineman said:

"Where have you been all my life? I would like to say if anyone had any doubts about the strength of the American jury system and how things work, sitting there and listening to her, I think it would restore their faith. This is what juries are supposed to do, what they're supposed to be about. I will use my time to congratulate her for her services."

Right on, Howard. Brava, Ann Redington.

Contact Mark at mark@gunhill.net

—Mark Finkelstein is a NewsBusters contributing editor and host of Right Angle. Contact him at mark@gunhill.net.


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The password is Marc Rich....

The password is Marc Rich.....

Answer....Bill Clinton pardon

When the Liberals whine about a Libby pardon just say how about that Marc Rich/oil for food/Denise Rich/Bubba Clinton!!!!

nicksmith112 -  Do you think

nicksmith112 -  Do you think Marc Rich's lawyer is still available to lobby for a pardon? 

I doubt it. As reported by

I doubt it.

As reported by Michael Savage earlier this week, Patrick Fitzgerald was perhaps interested in politcal payback.

It seems that as he was about to nail Marc Rich, a prominent law firm was responsible for engineering the strategy to get Rich out of the country.

Oh yes and by the way, the lawyer in charge of the case was.........
Scooter Libby.

Matthews summed up.  "T

Matthews summed up.  "Thank you dear, you're a very nice person."

Matthews is a condescending POS.

I'd encourage you to view t

I'd encourage you to view the video. Matthews' words might come across that way, but he was clearly filled with admiration for Ms. Redington.

Well, Mark.You caught me fair

Well, Mark.

You caught me fair & square.  Since you said it was long, I merely read it.

He's still a condescending creep in my book.

I'm glad Mathews displayed

I'm glad Mathews displayed some admiration for this woman. Her answers sounded much much better than his questions. Ms. Redington might reaffirm one's faith in the jury system, but my faith in MSM remains down in the pits.

I agreee zhombre..He was very

I agreee zhombre..

He was very polite to her..then again if he had done to her what he did to say Malkin years ago....he would of been shamed...I think.

...the above didn't impress m

...the above didn't impress me much. Matthews will always be a festering boil on the butt of journalism, in my book : ). . .

Still doesn't make up for his

Still doesn't make up for his trying to shout down Kate O'Beirne, she scored point after point on why the accusation was BS, the investigation was BS, the Trial was BS, and the Verdict was BS.  Matthews was so defeated he had to shout her down and constantly change the subject.  In the Libby trial the Democrats have finally succeeded in criminalizing being a Republican. The Conservatives and Republican's need to realize this and stop playing nice.  Bush should pardon Libby Sunday morning and flood the Sunday shows with Republicans that expose the Wilson lies over and over and over.  1 full week of constant press conferences of how Wilson, the Democrats, and the media lied and lied.

You're right Kub, gloves off

You're right Kub, gloves off and fight hard to regain respect. Calling back even our fellow conservatives who's losing confidence with Republicans. The only person who can do this is VP Cheney. Yeah, he can take with him Ann Coulter. Tony Snow is nice, tactful and very friendly and he can use a long vacation. Let's go out there and start a fight- and win...I have already started my fight since last year when I went back to school. God bless you all and God bless the conservative movement of America!

Blonde,What's "N why is

Blonde,

What's "N why is  your, STUBBORN non compliance with NOT viewing  VIDEO clips?   LMAO

upcountry,Um, because I read

upcountry,

Um, because I read faster?

Besides that, Chrissy gives me the heebie geebies.

Oh, and I had my convertible top down on the drive home today.

Finally, I'm blonde.  :D

B,nuthin like watching their

B,

nuthin like watching their faces, hearing their words, gotta admit;  not "all of it "    is on transcript, picture worth a thousand words and such.  blonde ditto.

LMAO!..Seriously Blonde!.. Wh

LMAO!..Seriously Blonde!.. What do you "Really" think about Matthews!

I saw most of this....didn't

I saw most of this....didn't catch the very end, or the part where she said she was a lawyer, which is surprising to me.

Matthews is his usual loathing self...

Kate O. did an excellent job, excellent....much to Matthews chagrin.

If you want him pardoned wh

If you want him pardoned why bother convicting in the first place?

My wild guess is a few jurors were holding out for not guilty, but after 10 days, got brow beat into flipping so that the trial would end and they all could go home.

Because they were 'convicting

Because they were 'convicting' Bush and Cheney.  They were 'making a statement' by unjustly convicting Libby.  The more these jurors talk, the worse Fitzgerald and the left will look.   Keep chattering, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, and you will transfer this stigma completely onto the Left.

Pico: because if a juror ta

Pico: because if a juror takes her oath conscientously, her only job is to decide guilt or innocence on the basis of the evidence presented at trial. Once the trial is over, she has the right as a citizen like any other to express a personal opinion that in the greater scheme of things it would be unfair for Libby to go to prison.

Thanks Mark.  Ann is a terri

Thanks Mark.  Ann is a terrific example of what jurors are supposed to represent.  She was surprisingly clear about the process, which must have been nice since she had to share a jury room with Dennis Collins (who I cannot believe was the least bit objective).

I hate to see Libby convicted, but it was inevitable.  The whole investigation was due to trip up someone in the process for some kind of perjury or obstruction.  What makes me mad is that there never should have been an investigation since Armitage turned himself in 3 months before Fitzgerald was even acquired, therefore the justice department already knew that no original crime had taken place.

This whole media circus was just theatre for the MSM  and libs. 

Thanks, Desperado. Ann was

Thanks, Desperado. Ann was admirable. Unfortuately, some folks, particularly over at Free Republic, think jurors should vote with their hearts rather than on the basis of the facts before them.

Mark, The Video link is (alll

Mark,

The Video link is (alllways) good, Brava, Ann Redington!

It would be nice if the video links poped up at the same time, as the blog.

My guess is that some sort of a crime (copywight infringement  thingie ) would occur.

Meanwhile on Countdown the su

Meanwhile on Countdown the substitute flak has Denis Collins on desperately trying to backtrack his "where's Rove, where's Cheney?" comments.  Gee think that NBC wants to rehabilitate their ringer on the Jury?  The one that worked for Woodward and was a BBQ buddy of Russert and the rest of the Washington press corps?

It was a nice piece, but Ma

It was a nice piece, but Matthews was pouring it on a little thick in his praise of Fitzgerald.

"Matthews: ""What did you think of the prosecutor, Fitzgerald?"

Redington: "Very earnest, nice person."

Matthews: "Almost virginal, right? Didn't he seem like a real straight-arrow? Like he never had been married, never had a date, never had a hangover, never had anything?"

C'mon, Chris, stop leading the witness, lol.


Reminder: Don't forget to pay your taxes. 12 million illegal immigrants are counting on you.

ckc, that's the same thing I

ckc, that's the same thing I thought. She was much nicer than myself because after that question was proposed to me I would have asked "was that really a question or more of a statement, Mr. Matthews?! and awaited his reply.

However, maybe Chris did that because we (the masses) are so ignorant and need what to be told so we know how to respond.

"To bad Ignorance isn't painful..."

Matthews: "Almost virgin

Matthews: "Almost virginal, right? Didn't he seem like a real straight-arrow? Like he never had been married, never had a date, never had a hangover, never had anything?"

And I'm going to miss you most of all, Scarecrow.

Ann Bedington ought to be hired as host of Hardball.

Evidence

Juror on Hardball-

"Dickerson; Ann was there one piece of testimony that was amazing or was it the sheer tonnage of testimony that lead you to your conclusions?

Ann Redington:[...] Something that was very important to me was the Joe Wilson article that the Vice President Cheney had written on AND GIVEN TO SCOOTER LIBBY asking about...

Matthews: And what did that tell you?

Ann Redington:Well it told me that he knew about her just a few days before..""

My understanding is that, No evidence was introduced that Libby had seen that article. I'm trying to find where I found that info.

Well, Mark, I did what I said I would not do.

Well, Mark, I did what I said I would not do.

I've been reading about the trial in the MSM.

It seems that the trail was really about the Bush Administration's obsession with lying, secretiveness and game playing.

In other words, Karl Rove.

Still, I did find the WaPo editorial very interesting.

We have real questions about the Libby Trial.

1.  Was there a 'status' associated with Valarie Plame and did it get 'violated' by 'outing' her name?  If not, then what was that all about?

2.  Did or did not Joe Wilson 'lie' about why he went to Nigier and if so, what was that all about?

3.  Does the media itself have some responsibility to protray the situation with Libby as a 'process' crime or as a crime of the 'greater' manipulation of the public's view on the War in Iraq?

4.  Was the War in Iraq actually started on the basis of a lie?  And if not, then why beat the horse?

5.  If the war in Iraq was started on the basis of a lie, then who in fact is behind all that?  Doesn't make much political sense, huh?

So, my take on all this is that it was much ado about very little, it fit the Democorat strategy to show Cheny/Bush up as 'cheaters' and the end result would be...

We are still in Iraq.  So, unless one is invested in defeat, we should probably move right on.

ACA

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Quoted from:  'Acaiguana Notes from the Bomb Shelter' (soon to be a movie at theaters near you)

Fitzgerald went hunting for b

Fitzgerald went hunting for bear and came back with a chipmunk.

By the way, why did he not indict Armitage for the leak?

My personal take on the issue

My personal take on the issue is Fitzgerald had to have a "guilty" verdict.  Once that hypothesis was in place, he then moved on to where the highest probability of finding someone of guilt.  Regardless of the fact that Libby's trial held no water for what he was origally appointed to do, he satisfied his original intent and then moved over to allow the press to cover for his lack of results.

Only in our legal (political) system can a lawyer "prove" one's guilt by prosecuting a third party for an arms-length-related crime.

Eye Contact

Anyone else notice how Matthews wouldn't look her in the eye? Seemed odd.

Also seemed somewhat patronizing how he used the"jeepers creepers" comment as if talking to a child.

And the transcript doesn't show it, but she mocked his characterization that she had been "known to have weeped" as if it was common knowledge; she seemed amused at the characterization.

Matthews seemed awestruck at her ability to not only keep up with him during the interview, but maintain her sincerity. A sharp contrast to the reporter who raced to the cameras after the trial.

Well done.

But he got the last shot in w

But he got the last shot in when he pajoratively said, "Thank you, dear . . . "

Did you watch the video? Th

Did you watch the video? There's no doubt in my mind he was not being sarcastic when he called her 'dear.' He followed it with "you're a very nice person," and was filled with praise for her throughout the interview. It might have been a bit old-fashioned or even "male chauvinistic," but pejorative it was not.

Man, Janeane Garofalo has re

Man, Janeane Garofalo has really let herself go.

 I disagree. She may be a ni

 I disagree. She may be a nice person but she still convicted Libby, and most of us are all in agreement that he is innocent. If by "seperating the wheat from the chaff" she still could not come to that conclusion, than she is part of the problem not the solution.

 If Libby was railroaded she helped convict him. I believe she is genuine in spirit but there are 12 people on a jury, and it only took one to hang it. After that convoluted mess of a trial, and the confused deliberations that followed, it would be reasonable to assume that at least one would stick with a not guilty verdict.

 Which leads me to believe that they were all allied from the beginning, and had an agenda. I think that her heartfelt interview on Lardball concerning Libby, was an expression of guilt, and remorse for convicting an innocent man.

If I wanted  more fair, accurate, and patriotic reporting than what our MSM has to offer, I'd just tune in to Al-Jazeera.

Blazer, that might be a serious stretch.

Blazer, that might be a serious stretch.

I think she is as you say, somewhat off the wall here.  "Gee, I'm sorry, anyway he's got to pay."

I honestly do not have any idea how this woman thinks or feels.  But I will say that I do believe the trial will be overturned on appeal.  The reason for that is the dismissal of the other juror and the failure of the judge to allow the defense to present exculpatory evidence.

Of coure, my track record sucks on this stuff.

But it might be pushing the envelope to start the idea that the jurors had an 'agenda'.

Not everyone follows everything in life.  I could probably just go out to the street and get twelve people, five of whom won't have a clue about this trial even today.  The juror who had semi-close ties with the WaPo might also be grounds to throw the verdicts out, but both sides agreed to this guy.

Mark would know much more about these things.

ACA

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Quoted from:  'Acaiguana Notes from the Bomb Shelter' (soon to be a movie at theaters near you)

Another OJ jury, for sure.Lib

Another OJ jury, for sure.

Libby: Guilty of being close to the Veep.

"Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"

Matthews

Before or after each "question", Matthews injected his point of view. Typical liberal--can never let anything go and allow the truth to be told. Matthews is a sick fellow but, like all liberals, won't admit it.

NEVER,NEVER trust a liberal