Avuncular he might be, but Bob Schieffer can sling Dem spin like a Shrum.Appearing on the CBS Evening News to comment on the Libby verdict, not only did Katie Couric's predecessor in the anchor chair paint things in the grimmest possible terms for Vice-President Cheney, he took things an unsolicited step further. Katie Couric asked Schieffer "how badly does this reflect on Mr. Cheney in your view?"
Schieffer: "Very badly, and it's hard to conclude otherwise."
View video here.
Schieffer acknowledged that: "The prosecutor did not prove any underlying crime here."
Right. For the simple fact that there was no underlying crime. If there is one fact that is undisputed, and undisputable, it is that neither Libby nor VP Cheney nor anyone in the White House first leaked Valerie Plame's identity. It was good old Richard Armitage over at the State Department. But Schieffer never mentioned that. He plowed ahead with his personal indictment:"But [the prosecutor] convinced this jury that Scooter Libby lied. Well you have to ask why would he lie? Clearly because he did not want what was going on in his office and the Vice-President's office where he worked to come out. He was talking to the Vice-President, he was getting memos from the Vice-President, he was saying this and that and trying to work with the Vice-President. So there are a lot of fingers pointing tonight at Dick Cheney."
Schieffer wasn't content to point the finger at the Veep: "I think this is not only going to hurt the Vice-President, Katie. I think it's going to hurt the administration because it's going to raise new questions about their credibility when they already have more questions on their plate than they can really handle right now."
Let's review: Schieffer admits that prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald didn't prove any underlying crime. Schieffer failed to mention that the prosecutor didn't even try to do so for the indisputable reason that Lewis Libby had not committed any underlying crime. He had not outed Valerie Plame. Richard Armitage did. So what was the sin in Schieffer's eyes? That Libby "was talking," "getting memos" and "trying to work with the Vice-President." Well, yes. That's what a Vice-President's chief of staff tends to do, after all. To claim, without citing a single damning fact, not only that this is going to hurt the Vice-President "very badly," but that the harm will extend to the Bush administration at large, smacks of a smear.
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"I think this is not o
March 6, 2007 - 20:45 ET by motherbelt"I think this is not only going to hurt the Vice-President, Katie. I think it's going to hurt the administration --Bob Schieffer
All that's missing is for him to add, like Bill Maher, "that's a fact." Because Schieffer and his buddies will make certain that it doesn't fade, then keep harping on how this story "won't go away."
CBS
March 6, 2007 - 21:12 ET by WayneHThanks for watching this, Mark. I haven't watched CBS news for over 10 years.
I second that. I can't wat
March 7, 2007 - 12:42 ET by Tim the EnchanterI second that. I can't watch these guys without erupting into blue-haze language 10 seconds later. We do appreciate the heavy lifting you guys do.
The Prosecutor explained in h
March 6, 2007 - 21:14 ET by j. frank wilsonThe Prosecutor explained in his initial press conference when the indictments were handed down that it was impossible to pursue the "underlying crime" - if there was one - because Mr. Libby had "thrown sand in the umpire's eyes" by lying. And the jury heard the evidence and agreed with him - 4 out of 5 times. The innocent verdict on the 5th count tells me the jury was paying attention and knew what they were doing.
One thing that certainly came out of this trail is that Vice President Cheney would do anything to defend himself (to attack someone) - including releasing information de-classified for that specific purpose.
Some time back Mr. Schieffer made an excellent point. President Bush could have avoided this whole mess by taking it seriously to start with and telling his administration "All of you have until 5 pm today to tell me who did what. I want it on my desk." Simple as that. If no one did anything wrong they had nothing to worry about. If they did then they should come clean and face the music.
Instead he rambled on about "leaks happen all the time." No accountability. He made a very similar mistake when he lied to the American people a week before the November 2006 election - and then admitted it just as soon as the election was over. President Bush simply can not admit an error.
It was impossible to prosec
March 6, 2007 - 21:17 ET by Mark FinkelsteinIt was impossible to prosecute any possible underlying crime because Plame was outed by Richard Armitage.
A swing...and a misssss...
March 6, 2007 - 21:34 ET by j. frank wilsonA swing...and a misssss...
How is it a miss when it's
March 6, 2007 - 22:16 ET by liberal_bug_zapperHow is it a miss when it's true? How did a jury convict a man of forgetting?
All I can say is that when you're being asked questions by anyone in the Federal Government, plead the fifth. Because human memory isn't perfect, and any slight difference from what other people will say you said will then be perceived as a lie. Plead the fifth because nothing you say can be construed as you telling the truth and everything you say will be used against you. Plead the fifth because the FBI deserve nothing, no help, no assistance, no leeway. If they can't figure it out on their own, to hell with them.
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Mr. Libby told a lie and was
March 7, 2007 - 00:33 ET by j. frank wilsonMr. Libby told a lie and was convicted for it. He wasn't convicted of forgetting - he wasn't charged with that. It isn't a crime - just as you suggest.
It is a crime to say "I don't remember" if one does.
Too bad you don't believe the FBI deserves respect. But you've got to live with that one - thankfully, I don't.
Finally, your sad little post collapses under its own lack of logic. If what you wrote it true Mr. Libby would have been convicted on the 5th charge - but he wasn't...
Good thing that forgetting yo
March 7, 2007 - 00:52 ET by NL207Good thing that forgetting your past crimial behavior while being questioned by federal investigators isn't a crime, because if it were, the smartest woman in the world would be in the slammer instead of the Senate.
Of course, it IS possible that Hillary Clinton did not forget, but merely lied... isn't it?
My, hasn't it gone quiet!
March 7, 2007 - 12:45 ET by Tim the EnchanterMy, hasn't it gone quiet!
It is a crime (sic) to say
March 7, 2007 - 12:59 ET by Jack BauerIt is a crime (sic) to say "I don't remember" if one does.
No it's not.
Please show me ANY statute where it is codified that "not remembering" something is a "crime."
You really are too stupid for your shirt.
Poor Shrub
March 6, 2007 - 21:29 ET by shawn228Poor little Schrub "Little Bush" Everything is catching up to him. In the past few months he has lost the majority in both chambers of congress, He had no choice but to fire his puppet Donald Rumsfeld and now he has to be on the defensive about poor conditions at Walter Reed, Fired US attorney's that were fired even after great job reviews, and now might have to watch Libby go to jail if he does not parden him. Sniff Sniff.......gotta feel for the guy.
Shawn, you come out of the ga
March 6, 2007 - 22:07 ET by JABShawn, you come out of the gate looking like a troll instead of someone looking for reasoned discussion, is this perceptive true? if not, prove me wrong by upping the level of conversation.
Is there a president in your memory that has done everything right? If so, who would that be?
In conclusion what are your life's most accomplished memories? I have to ask does it even resemble being the most important person in the industrialized world.
"To bad Ignorance isn't painful..."
JAB, sorry for the sarc
March 6, 2007 - 22:26 ET by shawn228JAB, sorry for the sarcasm, but I admit I am feeling happy at this moment and a little smug. The Bush administration has gotten away with so much during his presidency and I am glad justice is being done.
You might not believe me because even I though I am happy, I feel pity for Scooter. He is the fall guy for this administration and I am hoping he will take a plea deal and offer more info about the Veep.
JAB, do you truly think that Libby really was telling the truth that he did not remember talking to Cheney about Valerie Plame?. It was also interesting that we now know Cheney knew about the article and tried to discredit it, but said he never heard of the name Joe Wilson or Valerie Plame when he was on Meet the Press a few yrs back.
Also, I have had lots of personal acheivements, but we are not talking about me, we are talking about the Comander in Chief. Why is it that GOPers have to make personal attacks if they don't agree with someone's opionion.
Hate to break it to you, Shaw
March 6, 2007 - 22:40 ET by Scout FinchHate to break it to you, Shawn. But to the average American, this case was much ado about nothing. Plame wasn't covert. Neither Libby nor Cheney leaked her uncovert name (pssstt...it was Armitage), and there never was an underlying crime. A big fat nothingburger. I'm sure there's dancing in the streets on every liberal blog, but in reality, it's another attempt by liberals and the MSM to smear this administration. Nothing more.
Shawn, shall we commence?&quo
March 6, 2007 - 22:51 ET by JABShawn, shall we commence?
"JAB, sorry for the sarcasm, but I admit I am feeling happy at this moment and a little smug. The Bush administration has gotten away with so much during his presidency and I am glad justice is being done."
I have to ask at this point in time, what the hell is your age? Every president I have ever known has severe baggage, so what's your actual beef with the current pres.?
"You might not believe me because even I though I am happy, I feel pity for Scooter. He is the fall guy for this administration and I am hoping he will take a plea deal and offer more info about the Veep."
Does the Iran/Contra scandal ring any bells? there is always a fall guy in ensuring we perservere, it's part of the gamble when you sign up!
"JAB, do you truly think that Libby really was telling the truth that he did not remember talking to Cheney about Valerie Plame?. It was also interesting that we now know Cheney knew about the article and tried to discredit it, but said he never heard of the name Joe Wilson or Valerie Plame when he was on Meet the Press a few yrs back."
Nope, just like I did not believe Clinton or his bitch in both of their scandals.
"Also, I have had lots of personal acheivements, but we are not talking about me, we are talking about the Comander in Chief. Why is it that GOPers have to make personal attacks if they don't agree with someone's opionion."
I simply stated this because too many people are willing to criticize others before they even attempt to take stock in their own lives. Good for you with your achievements and God bless you for them; however, do not make it a habit of criticizing others that have achieved more reguardless of how much you may disagree.
"To bad Ignorance isn't painful..."
I am old enough to know tha
March 6, 2007 - 23:36 ET by shawn228I am old enough to know that I never had a hatred of a US president ever, until this one. I remember I was 12 yrs old and watching after school cartoons when i was interupted by President Reagan.
He told us he send in planes to Libya to defend our country. I got chills down my spine that day, I thought this President knows how to stick up for his country. I was in complete awe. So, I am not a complete left wing liberal.
I loved Reagan, Clinton and even liked the elder Bush. This Prez however is in my opinion untrustworthy and does not care about people. Lots of liberals think he is stupid, but I disagree. He is brilliant at malipulating people and a savy politician.
Many people have died on his watch that did not need to. I jus hope he gets whats coming to him.
Shawn,Good News....Among thos
March 6, 2007 - 23:44 ET by NeoConfirmedShawn,
Good News....Among those that share your opinion....
All dicators, all terrorists, all socialists, all communists, the entire cast of 'Hair', two guys from San Francisco named Tad, the chick from 'Clan of the Cave Bear', Louie DePalma, and Helen Thomas.
You're in good company. Sleep tight.
You're in good company. Sleep
March 7, 2007 - 00:03 ET by shawn228You're in good company. Sleep tight.
I do Neoconfirmed along with 65 percent of the American people.:)
"I do Neoconfirmed along
March 7, 2007 - 00:10 ET by NeoConfirmed"I do Neoconfirmed along with 65 percent of the American people.:)"
I believe it's 64.9% according to the latest CNN/MSNBC/NPR/MICHAEL MOORE/NY TIMES/ROSIE O DONNELL poll.
Kiss Al for me, would ya?
Ummmm......actually it was FO
March 7, 2007 - 00:28 ET by shawn228Ummmm......actually it was FOX news
http://www.foxnews.c...
Here is a tiny part of article
Currently 35 percent of Americans approve of the job Bush is doing and 56 percent disapprove. The president’s approval rating has hovered between 35 percent and 38 percent for the past three months
Shawn,Whew! I now feel that s
March 7, 2007 - 00:41 ET by NeoConfirmedShawn,
Whew! I now feel that since you've cited Fox, all is right in the world. Because I'm a slave to Fox News and believe everything they say.
You've convinced me. I won't be voting for him in 2008.
An interesting point is that I mentioned a number of 'news' outlets and the polls that they brandish. My point being that they are all clearly leaning left.
You grab the bait and produce a Fox poll which you think is leaning right and therefore, underscores your point. Even Fox says that Bush is doing a horrible job. There Neo, take that!
Yes, Shawn, sadly Fox is all we've got. Welcome to our world of unbiased journalism.
Shawn...Assume you were pre
March 7, 2007 - 13:00 ET by Tim the EnchanterShawn...
Assume you were president. Let's see how your job approval public opinion poll fares when you have had 6 (and counting) years of spin, innuendo, false accusations, outright lies, and constant criticism directed at you and drummed into the populace. Think you could stand the heat of that kitchen? Tell the big lie, repeat it as often as you can, and sooner or later, people come to believe what isn't true. The MSM has learned well from it's mentor, Dr. Joseph Goebbels. Don't believe me- all the evidence you'll ever need is right here at NB.
It's a mental illness, Shawn
March 7, 2007 - 00:04 ET by RJShawn, that's sad that you actually feel hatred for the President. It says much more about you than it does about George Bush.
If you're capable of such a debilitating emotion, do you feel the same way toward Bill Clinton? Are you aware that his administration actually had a policy that America should not be the only superpower? Or that his Secretary of State actually said so? Or that that philosophy was part of the reason (payoffs were likely the other) he helped the Chinese gain access to our military secrets, including our ICBM program? Until that time, their ICBM program was a dismal failure, but their missiles are now capable of reaching the U.S.
Isn't that worthy of your "hatred", too, Shawn? Do you also hope Bill Clinton "gets what's coming to him?"
Finally, which President most closely fits the definition of "traitor?"
I guess saying I hating the p
March 7, 2007 - 00:33 ET by shawn228I guess saying I hating the president is a litte harsh, what I should have said was I hate his disregard for human. life. The economy was great during the Clinton yrs and America as respected around the world. Yes he might have had an cheating heart but nobody died when he lied.
That's not true, I knew plent
March 7, 2007 - 00:48 ET by contraryThat's not true, I knew plenty of people who died. liar liar typical
That's not true, I knew plent
March 7, 2007 - 00:48 ET by contraryThat's not true, I knew plenty of people who died. liar liar typical
Shawn, The economy was great
March 7, 2007 - 01:12 ET by Chicago RepublicanShawn, The economy was great under Clinton. So, tell me what he did to contribute to it? Hint: not a damn thing, it was already recovering in 1992 thanks to Alan Greenspan's interest rate reductions at the Fed.
You hate GWB's disregard for human life? Which life, the one in the womb or the one who enlists to defend the nation on the battlefield? Please specify. How many human lives in Iraq have been saved because Saddam is no longer in power to disregard them? Nice to see someone on the Left care about human life. Where were you when Saddam was pissing on them? America was respected around the world during the Clinton years? SO F***ing what? When you say "world" you mean the UN. I'll tell you the same thing I told Rhayes, no one in their right mind should give a shit what the UN/World thinks of us. Most of the UN/World is governed by tyrants that have no respect for human life and the rule of law or by statist idiots whose domestic policies have rendered their economies inept and growthless. We may have been "respected" by these people, but we were completely weak and a complete joke to the Islamofascists that eventually attacked us on 9/11.
Bush lied? No, the entire free world, including Bill Clinton in the late 1990's, believed Saddam had WMD. Bush didn't "lie".
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Yes Chicago, love the f
March 7, 2007 - 01:39 ET by shawn228Yes Chicago, love the fetus, hate the baby. "No child left behind" what a frickin joke. He did no have regard when he watched all the starving babies during the aftermath of Katrina huh? "Doing ahecka job Brownie"
Saddam was horrible dictator, and it sounds great on paper to get rid of him. I am so sick of people saying "Do you want Saddam back in power? yes or no?"
It is not a yes or no answer. I want world peace, but at what price?
:Suicide bombers killing Americans daily
:Over 100000 Iraqis dead "some insurgents some innocent women and children"
:How about the solders that don't die and are injured, Bush takes care of them doesn't he?
I think we all learned during the past two months that this adminstration at the very least tried to discredit and critisism of them going to war. And the people that attacked us happenned on Bush's watch.
Yes Chicago, love the fetus,
March 7, 2007 - 02:13 ET by Chicago RepublicanYes Chicago, love the fetus, hate the baby. "No child left behind" what a frickin joke.
So, in your estimation its more important for a child to have the government be its nanny than to actually allow the child to see a birthday? Is that your argument?
He did no have regard when he watched all the starving babies during the aftermath of Katrina huh? "Doing ahecka job Brownie"
So, I'm curious, why didn't coastal MS and Haley Barbour have as much trouble? Why didn't Hurricane Rita wreck as much havoc on coastal TX? Why doesn't FL year in and year out have as much difficulty in dealing with a disaster as New Orleans did? Let me help you out, its LOCAL responsibility to first respond to disaster.
Saddam was horrible dictator, and it sounds great on paper to get rid of him. I am so sick of people saying "Do you want Saddam back in power? yes or no?"
On paper? Ask the average Iraqi (remember the shoes hitting the falling statue?) if its better in reality that Saddam is out of power. I want world peace too, but you know what? If the tyrants of the world don't fear the resolve of a world community (ie, if they don't take 17 UN resolutions seriously), you will never have peace.
How about the solders that don't die and are injured, Bush takes care of them doesn't he? - Yes, Shawn, Walter Reed was a Baptist Medical Center until GWB assumed the presidency. Why don't you ask the wounded soldiers of OIF what they think of the mission rather than try to distract everyone by the conditions of their treatment when they return. Oh, and by the way, no one on this site will defend poor treatment by the government of veterans. That's why its not an issue here. If you think poor VA hospitals are a new phenomenon since 2001, you are more naive than I thought. That doesn't negate the mission of any given military operation.
I think we all learned during the past two months that this adminstration at the very least tried to discredit and critisism of them going to war. This is an incoherant sentence, but I think I know what you are trying to say. If you as a politician were attacked by a media that is charged with telling the truth, remembering the statements of all elected leaders that came before you accurately, on and on, wouldn't you defend your honor? If I was a member of the media and went before to the world to tell them that you were a bed wetter at age 30, wouldn't you fight for your honor and credibility?
Most of the people who have tried to discredit this Administration's case for OIF are either outright liars or amnesiacs.
And the people that attacked us happenned on Bush's watch. Bush was in office for less than a year when 9/11 happened. Yet you Democrats give Clinton a total pass for the weak responses to Terror in the 90's (including the handling of Somalia in 1993) which gave the terrorists the courage and the legal loopholes to execute their plans on that day. And you have the balls to blame Bush exclusively for it??
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No answer to my question, Shawn?
March 7, 2007 - 09:49 ET by RJFollow the dots, Shawn. Bill Clinton's administration openly said they believed we should not be the world's only superpower. He made it his personal mission to give our military secrets to China (a payoff was probably involved, too).
George Bush, agree with him or not, believes we are fighting a clear danger to our way of life.
I repeat my question: which President most closely fits the definition of "traitor?"
a shawn liberty abused
March 7, 2007 - 13:03 ET by tumbler_2007You abuse your freedom of speech, shawn. You can malign the President of the United States with impugnity. However, you don't appreciate that he has labored and fought for your right to beef like this. IMHO, George W. Bush is a great man. He has never tried to "get away with" anything. Right at the start of this problem, he said he wanted to get to the bottom of it. He underestimated the devious anger & hatred that would corrupt even that jury; one we all know was NOT impartial. When a jurist publicly states he would rather have convicted Cheney and Rove; says it to reporters,
It's apparent what he was doing in that courtroom. He was carrying the Democrats' water-pails. A total abuse of the justice system. YOU, Shawn; haven't the intellectual honesty to realize how perverted the trial of Scooter Libby is. It's a kangaroo court, typically liberal and self-serving. You approve of it; so you have NO business here giving others instruction. Take it to Huffington and Kos. In this blogsite you're merely a pest.
Sounds like sour grapes to me
March 8, 2007 - 00:03 ET by shawn228Sounds like sour grapes to me tumbler. The Jurist was one of twelve that heard evidence that the Vice President of this country tried to discredit a newspaper article by smearing the author. And your right tumbler I am using my freedom of speech. As I told Noel Sheppard during a earlier post. I respect this site for at least listening to opposing views. Can't say that about most of the facist members of this site though. I love you too tumbler xoxo
"The Bush administration
March 6, 2007 - 23:23 ET by NeoConfirmed"The Bush administration has gotten away with so much during his presidency and I am glad justice is being done."
Gee Shawn, what kind of justice would you be referring to?
OJ Justice. Your favorite kind.
OJ Justice. Your favorite kin
March 7, 2007 - 00:36 ET by shawn228OJ Justice. Your favorite kind.
No Bob Ney, Jack Abamoff, Duke Cunningham justice is my favorite kind.:)
Really Shawn?The majority of
March 7, 2007 - 00:51 ET by NeoConfirmedReally Shawn?
The majority of your party jumped for joy when Simpson walked. At least the portion that you guys continue to take for granted. Keep up the oppression.
But Clinton payback is fair game.
And remember, Katie, Charles and Brian will be right behind you every step of the way.
Not to mention Paris, Brittany and the ghost of Anna Nicole....
lol......you have to throw
March 7, 2007 - 01:22 ET by shawn228lol......you have to throw more than OJ at me Neo. Most liberals though he was guilty too. Tell me who in my party jumped for joy except Al Sharpton.
People in Shawn's Party who j
March 7, 2007 - 01:36 ET by NeoConfirmedPeople in Shawn's Party who jumped for joy....
Katie, Charles, Brian, Paris, Brittany, ghost of Anna, Wolf, Keith, entire staff of NYT, entire staff of LAT, entire staff of WashPost, Bill, Hillary, Teddy, Osama, Obama, ghost of Saddam, Jessie, Al, Tipper, Helen, George (Clooney), Red Hot Chili Peppers, Orville Redenbaker, Dixie Chicks, Rosie, BabaWawa .....
Wait. My mistake. That wasn't the OJ Verdict. That was the Libby verdict.
Back in 1995, most weren't allowed to jump, only the 90% of blacks that have been lynched by the Democrats for decades.
That's right monkey brain I w
March 7, 2007 - 00:26 ET by contraryThat's right monkey brain I was right and you were wrong so nya nya
Whatsa matter, Shawn? Are y
March 6, 2007 - 22:36 ET by Scout FinchWhatsa matter, Shawn? Are your eyes reverbatating from the echo chambers of DU or Kos? Thought you'd troll over to Newsbusters and eavesdrop on our thoughts? Fine. But don't drop silly little posts like above in place of serious discussion.
Don't know what a DU is
March 6, 2007 - 23:51 ET by shawn228Don't know what a DU is. I think it was Libby that was Ko'd today. lol. Good news for him is he will have lots of friends to hang out with. Bob Ney, Randy Cunningham, Jack Abramoff. Maybe after Tom Delay and Bill Frist and if there is any justice, Mark Foley join them, perhap they can all play bridge together. lol
Shawn...maybe he could also h
March 7, 2007 - 12:23 ET by Cape ConservativeShawn...maybe he could also have some new playmates if any of the liberals ever got charged with their crimes...let's see...Jack Murtha, 'just might take your $$ after I get to know you better'...William Jefferson, 'well, I like COLD cash that's why it was in the freezer'...Harry Reid, 'land deal?? what land deal?...Barney Frank, 'my apartment was the site of a male prostitution ring...no way'...Ted Kennedy, 'I didn't know anyone was in that car but me' ...Nancy Pelosi, 'illegals work in our vineyards????' shall I go on and on????
BIG difference between Republicans and Democrats...one admits to wrongdoings and takes the punishment while the others turn their backs on Congress AND continue to be elected for several terms thereafter!!! Go figure!
BIG difference between Republ
March 7, 2007 - 22:56 ET by shawn228BIG difference between Republicans and Democrats...one admits to wrongdoings and takes the punishment while the others turn their backs on Congress AND continue to be elected for several terms thereafter!!! Go figure! Just got back from work from the ACLU. lol. Wow it looks like I have lots of fan mail to answer. Looks like I will start with you Cape. Obviously you don't follow this adminstrations Drug Czar opinion, you are on crack!! Bob Ney denied right up to the end and finally admitted wrongdoing after the evidence was overwhelming. Same with Jack and Duke. Mark Foley did not resign until he knew ABC had the tapes. Cheney, Tom and Bill Frist will get theres one day too.
Someone told me about an ugly
March 7, 2007 - 22:59 ET by BlondeSomeone told me about an ugly new troll here.
Seems they were spot-on.
Your point?
Shawn doesn't have a point, Blonde. Just another mouthy coward.
March 7, 2007 - 23:32 ET by RJPoint? Shawn doesn't have a point, Blonde. Don't waste your time. He's just a mouthy coward who runs from honest debate. He's only over here to practice his moonbat guano runs.
What did you call it earlier,
March 7, 2007 - 23:47 ET by BlondeWhat did you call it earlier, RJ?
Whack-a-troll?
Probably another haterette.
Hello Blonde, I remember you.
March 7, 2007 - 23:36 ET by shawn228Hello Blonde, I remember you. You and your lover Dave R are as friendly as always i see. My point is. I am loving the fact that this administration might be held accountable and hope during the next election you guys lose more seats in the house and senate. I don't even might if your front runner Rudy is the president. What do you folks call guys like him? RINO Repubican in name only lol
Hello, oblio.Still in the poi
March 7, 2007 - 23:45 ET by BlondeHello, oblio.
Still in the pointless forest, I see.
Hey Shawn, when you grow up some day, answer my question
March 7, 2007 - 23:48 ET by RJHey Shawn, when you grow up some day, maybe you'll be able to answer my question about the traitorous Bill Clinton.
I really don't know why you c
March 8, 2007 - 00:17 ET by shawn228I really don't know why you call him a traitor, The country seemed pretty good when he ran it from what I remember, lets he what did he do for our country?
Moving From Record Deficits to Record Surplus.
Over 21 Million New Jobs.
Unemployment was nearly the Lowest in Three Decades
Lowest Poverty Rate in Two Decades.
As far as Clinton being a traitor I don't see it
World’s Strongest Force for Peace, Freedom and Prosperity Promoting Peace and Strengthening Democracy
Your points are nothing but l
March 8, 2007 - 00:22 ET by NeoConfirmedYour points are nothing but laughable.
With all these incredible accomplishments, how'd he find time for the blowjob?
lol......and members on thi
March 8, 2007 - 00:37 ET by shawn228lol......and members on this say I don't debate the facts
Shawn,We're those facts? I th
March 8, 2007 - 00:41 ET by NeoConfirmedShawn,
Were those facts?
I thought they were a list of your wet dreams.
Do you want to go over them point by point?
BTW, what do you think of the media coverage of the Libby verdict? Straight down the middle? No slant to it?
Still just a loudmouth Troll, Shawn
March 8, 2007 - 00:50 ET by RJ"I don't see Clinton as being a traitor" Wow. I guess you blow my argument away with your incisive analysis of Clinton's traitorous behavior with China.
Come back when you grow up, Shawn
Ended a decade of repressio
March 8, 2007 - 01:03 ET by JerryEnded a decade of repression and reversed ethnic cleansing in Kosovo by leading the NATO alliance to victory in a 79-day air war against Serb forces, forcing their withdrawal and ushering in international peacekeepers.
A non-UN sanctioned act of aggression against a country that did absolutely nothing to us.
Advancing the Middle East peace process by brokering peace agreements between Israel and its neighbors; negotiating the Wye River Accords; and supporting the launch of final settlement negotiations between the Israelis and Palestinians.
In layman’s terms, when all was said and done, all was said and nothing done.
Restarted Israel-Syria track of Middle East peace process by holding first high-level meeting between the two former adversaries in Washington after months of behind-the-scenes Presidential diplomacy, and following that meeting with formal talks in January.
Once again, all talk and no action. Results achieved…. NADA.
Brokered the Good Friday Peace Accord in Northern Ireland, ending decades of bloodshed.
Boy, that ranks right up there with putting a man on the moon and bringing down the Berlin Wall.
Building a self-sustaining peace in Bosnia by leading diplomatic efforts to end civil war and foster multi-ethnic democracy.
Huh? Well which is it? Did we bomb the hell out of them, or did we use diplomacy?
Restored democracy in Haiti, ending military dictatorship and stopping refugee flows.
Exactly what did he do here? By the way, this one and the following few are so obscure, you could be making them up for all we know. And in actuality he did nothing. Talk is cheap. Words are a dime a dozen. True results require action.
Pressing for human rights and religious freedom worldwide, including in China, Burma, Sudan.
Was this in exchange for all that Commie campaign cash he received?
Pressing for human rights, core labor standards, religious freedom, and the elimination of child labor worldwide. Combating New Threats.
Don’t blow jobs from teenage interns constitute child labor?
Protecting Americans from weapons of mass destruction by reducing Russian nuclear arsenals, easing nuclear tensions between India and Pakistan and ratifying the Chemical Weapons Convention
Hahahahah! Yeah right.
Combating terrorism by developing a national counterterrorism strategy and striking terrorist targets in Afghanistan and Sudan.
Was that Operation Aspirin Factory Eradication, Operation Osama Bin LetGo, or Operation Do Nothing After Sustaining Terrorist Attacks Across The Globe?
Reducing North Korea threat through deterrence, diplomacy, and non-proliferation
Pfffftttt…. Only in Liberal La La land could giving PLUTONIUM to a crazed commie dictator be considered deterrence!!
Containing Saddam Hussein through diplomacy, economic sanctions and military force.
Yeah right. Here’s Clinton’s Iraq policy. We’re just gonna do nothing until I need to stall the impeachment vote, then we’re gonna bomb the heck out of those suckers.
Good grief Shawn. I can sum up these great accomplishments in one sentence. “Hey, I signed a bunch of papers, had some meetings, and made some phone calls, which resulted in absolutely nothing tangible, but I was President of the United States, by golly.”
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment
vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any
President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
Hi, shawn288, second request. Where did the list come from?
March 8, 2007 - 00:46 ET by acaiguanaHi, shawn288, second request. Where did the list come from?
ACA
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Aca,He pulled it out of Hilla
March 8, 2007 - 00:49 ET by NeoConfirmedAca,
He pulled it out of Hillary's ass.
Hi ACASome from herehtt
March 8, 2007 - 01:00 ET by shawn228Hi ACA
Some from here
http://pearlyabraham...
Some from here
http://clinton1.nara...
Some from here
http://www.perkel.co...
Some from here
http://pearlyabraham...
Have a great night all. I'm going to bed right. I will probably have more fan mail to read tomorrow.
OK, thanks shawn. ACA
March 8, 2007 - 01:05 ET by acaiguanaOK, thanks shawn. ACA
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Your welcome ACA, your
March 8, 2007 - 01:08 ET by shawn228Your welcome ACA, your the 2nd nice person I met on this site. The first is Noel Sheppard.
FYI, you will go a lot further not calling the women here 'honey
March 8, 2007 - 01:09 ET by acaiguanaFYI, you will go a lot further not calling the women here 'honey'. Just a tip.
ACA
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An eye for an eye ACA.
March 8, 2007 - 01:12 ET by shawn228An eye for an eye ACA. Blonde is not the nicest person in the world either. Troll and oblio are not flattering names either
Shawn, you're standing in a puddle of ironic self-pity
March 8, 2007 - 09:50 ET by RJHeck, Shawn, I've seen several people try to "play nice" with you, as did I. But as soon as you got into points you couldn't answer, you reverted to your default position of immature Loudmouth Troll mode. (Remember? It's how you entered this site). Then, in typical lib-speak, you whine that you have a problem finding "nice" people here. You're standing in a puddle of self-pity, dripping with unintended irony, Shawn.
"Criminal prosecution is a surrogate for (Democrat) political warfare, but in this war, Republicans are gutless appeasers." -Ann Coulter
I have posted here in t
March 8, 2007 - 10:56 ET by shawn228I have posted here in the past RJ and was attacked with personal attacks. Blonde was one of them along with Dave R and sportpolitics. Yes my first post was a little sarcastic but I believe I apologized to JAB about my sarcasm.
The truth is I actually want Bush to parden, Libby. He seems like a decent guy. The fact that the verdict exposes the clowns in the white house is good enough for me.
PS
You are 100% right about me about the China thing. I actually do not know much about it, so I cannot debate you about it. Give me chance to research it and I get back to you when I know more about it K?
Maybe one day I can write
March 8, 2007 - 11:09 ET by shawn228Maybe one day I can write as mature and eliquent as Neo confirmed lol
K Shawn
March 8, 2007 - 11:23 ET by RJ'K shawn....but several leftist types come here and talk without being "attacked" (at least not harshly..there's always a little banter). Most posters get back, broadly, the same attitude they show up with. And I can be as guilty as the next in piling on. I suppose it comes from the constant influx of drive-by, bomb-dropping poster-Trolls we get here....sort of a reflexive "protect the home turf" thing.
Hey, shawn228, that's an amazing list of Clinton's greatness.
March 8, 2007 - 00:23 ET by acaiguanaHey, shawn228, that's an amazing list of Clinton's greatness.
Where did you get it?
ACA
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Hey, shawn, my question is serious. What is the source for your
March 8, 2007 - 00:58 ET by acaiguanaHey, shawn, my question is serious. What is the source for your list?
ACA
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Guessing here, ACA.Clinton Pr
March 8, 2007 - 01:00 ET by BlondeGuessing here, ACA.
Clinton Presidential Library.
I'm out.
Wow, amazing Blonde, an
March 8, 2007 - 01:04 ET by shawn228Wow, amazing Blonde, and let me have the last word? Good night honey, sweet dreams
These Are Your Own Assertions, Shawn
March 8, 2007 - 12:11 ET by emjem24Shawn...
These are your own assertions, no one else's. Please provide EVIDENCE. This military spouse laughs at you when you mention Kosovo, a mission that we're still involved in. I see you don't mention Somalia. I wonder why that is.
Did you know that under Pres. Bush, an African command was just established? Bet ya didn't. Under Clintoon, Africa became an even deeper mess. Nigeria is still being torn apart by islamists who would like to institute Sharia law.
You know jack about our military accomplishments. The military accomplishments you cite were due to the MILITARY not Clinton, who took every opportunity to laugh at and deride them. Just ask those members who worked in the White House who couldn't wear their military uniforms.
As to China...our trade deficit with them is even larger because they've undercut their monetary unit. You fail to mention that Clinton allowed that. China undecuts our labour market and competitiveness which I'm sure Big Labour just loves. Clinton allowed that. As far as human rights are concerned, no big improvement there. You can't even practice religion unless it's state supervised/approved by China's Communist government.
As to South America, something I'm fairly familiar with, Clinton didn't do much except provide lip service. It's still as messed up as ever. Chavez and his cronies are taking more control of their countrys' economies and ensuring even more poverty than prosperty in the hopes that state Socialism will work. You fail to mention that.
As to North Korea, as soon as the ink was dry on Clinton's agreement with them, North Korea went back on their word and started producing nuclear weapons again. What did Clinton do? Not much. As to their human rights record, it's abominable. Clinton did nothing either about that. Starvation of millions of people is what he continued to ensure.
I find it truly offensive that you, like other liberals, continue to use the military as yet another chess piece on your political scoreboard against Republicans and Conservatives. You don't have a clue what the military accomplished because, believe me, Clinton made sure they were ham-stringed. Clinton made sure that our Air Force provided the equipment and support for a NATO campaign in Bosnia/Serbia/Kosovo that he and Albright pushed. You selectively never mention it. Some accomplishment. We're still there peacekeeping. So much for leaving.
No, Clinton made sure there was LESS freedom, LESS prosperity, and LESS achievements than ever before. Especially for our military. He ensured that some of our bravest got slaughtered in Somalia and that we HAD to participate in an air campaign that even our Air Force thought was wasteful and unnecessary. Our Air Force also disagreed with one pinhead Wesley Clark, one of the worst NATO commanders they'd ever worked with.
As to your assertion of increased defense spending, there wasn't much. Proof please. Our military had to start replacing military equipment and planes but that was never done under Clinton's administration, now was it. I have intimate knowledge of this since many military members I'm acquainted with griped about having to recycle parts to fix planes when Clinton was president.
Please stop lying about what Clinton did with our military. This military spouse knows differently. I was there and heard the disatisfaction from military members concerning Clinton's broken promises. He promised to start funding the replacement of planes/equipment (which he never did). Only under Pres. Bush have we seen new planes like the F-22 and the F-35 being produced.
This military spouse sees through your distortions and lies about something she knows far more intimately than most on this site. For that very reason, you haven't a clue what the hell Clinton actually did for our military. I also see you don't mention that "don't ask don't tell" policy which has had disastrous effects on our military. The military is not a laboratory in which to institute new social experiments.
Just stop...your post is ridiculous and absurd. That may impress those not associated with the military or know nothing about it, but to those who serve or are married to military members and have become acquainted with what Clinton actually did, we see through your lies.
The difficult we do immediately; the impossible takes a little longer. Air Force Motto
emjem says: When your brain's stuck on liberalism it self-destructs.
Shawn...I see this Dem vs Rep
March 7, 2007 - 23:17 ET by Clear thinkerShawn...
I see this Dem vs Rep thing a little differently. I have seen Republicans get in trouble with some rather dull charges, the Dems however take it to another level. Republicans also take their punishment, Democrats, never. Here in my state we had 2 people commit suicide because they were going to testify against Democratic politicians. Two completely different issues on opposite sides of the state. One of the suicide victims was found hung in his basement with a plastic bag tied around his head, and his hands zip tied together behind him. The other was also found in his basement after shooting himself in the head 3 times. Do either of these sound suspicious? Oh, and they were both days away from testifying. I could go on with other hushed rub outs, but I will end this by asking... how many did Clinton have taken out?
The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.
"The innocent verdict
March 6, 2007 - 21:42 ET by ckc1227"The innocent verdict on the 5th count tells me the jury was paying attention and knew what they were doing."
Let's see, the jury asked "what is reasonable doubt" and they also asked " is Libby on trial for lying to a reporter" during deliberation, lol. Without a doubt, they SO knew what they were doing.
"The Prosecutor explained in his initial press conference when the indictments were handed down that it was impossible to pursue the "underlying crime" - if there was one - because Mr. Libby had "thrown sand in the umpire's eyes" by lying. "
The prosecutor didn't charge anyone for the "underlying crime" because there wasn't one. That's why Armitage is walking free today.
Reminder: Don't forget to pay your taxes. 12 million illegal immigrants are counting on you.
convenient
March 6, 2007 - 21:48 ET by shawn228Hmmmm. So it was terrible how Clinton lied under oath and he should have been impeached. What was his crime except for cheating on Hilary?, but if Libby lies under oath it is okay. lol.....you GOPers make me laugh. No need to watch the half hr news hr on FOX, I can get all the laughs I want right here
Didn't it bother you a little
March 6, 2007 - 22:50 ET by Scout FinchDidn't it bother you a little that President Clinton was entertaining a young woman in the Oval Office, very likely distracted from the important business (Osama Bin Laden) the people of this country expected of him? He wasn't merely cheating on his wife, Shawn. He was cheating on every one of us. And then he lied about it. Remember that finger wagging on TV???
Cheney is the big dog in all
March 6, 2007 - 23:11 ET by joe conservativeCheney is the big dog in all this.....but he will most likely resign due to ill health soon anyway - and he'll be history.
Shawn, Clinton lied to d
March 6, 2007 - 23:12 ET by JerryShawn, Clinton lied to deny a lowly administrative assistant her due process in a court of law. Paula Jones was suing Clinton for sexual harassment, and he lied through his teeth when confronted with evidence that would establish a pattern of behavior. If you think that is irrevelant, then our entire judiciary system is rendered meaningless.
On the other hand, Libby was being tried for something that was NOT A CRIME. He recounted something by memory that conflicted with someone else's memory of the same situation. A faulty memory in a situation where there was no crime! That's like misquoting a baseball score. You libs are so desperate for anything to take a little tarnish off of the backed-up-sewer that was the Clinton administration. Congratulations.
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment
vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any
President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
A faulty memory in a situatio
March 6, 2007 - 23:21 ET by Scout FinchA faulty memory in a situation where there was no crime! That's like misquoting a baseball score.
That's a good bingo, Jerry.
Clinton lied about a great de
March 6, 2007 - 23:15 ET by NL207Clinton lied about a great deal more than you might imagine. Aren't you in the least bit curious as to what Clinton gave these two scumbags, Huang and Riady, in exchange for 8 million dollars? In fact, if you read this entire press release, it reads like a cornucopia of Democratic corruptuion, and we aren't talking about small amounts of money here.
I will feature a guess this is what he gave these bums: Huang was acting as an agent to the ChiComm government. Clinton appointed him to the Commerce Department. Might he have had anything to do with helping to arrange the sale of a top secret satellite tracking station to the ChiComms by Loral Corporation?
And then there is Riady. Could he have been using cover provided by Slick Willie to engage in money laundering and espionage? And by money laundering, we don't mean ANYTHING like the trumped up charges against Tom Delay. We are talking foreign money, real spying, and bigtime payoffs in Washington.
Spare me your phony umbrage over this Libby Kangaroo trial. This whole deal stinks of political manipulation. If, as Patrick Fitzgerald claims, this expose of Valerie Plame was so important, then why did he not prosecute the actual, self-confessed source of the leak, Richard Armitage? Maybe he was trying to shakedown Libby into implicating his boss even though Fitzgerald knew full well the leak had actually come from Armitage in the State Department? That makes Patrick Fitzgerald one of the lowest forms of life known, nothing more than a government thug abusing authority entrusted to him by the public.
This should make you downright PROUD of Clinton and the Democratic party, shouldn't it.
Shawn... Clinton was impeac
March 7, 2007 - 13:11 ET by Tim the EnchanterShawn... Clinton was impeached. The House of Representative voted on, and approved, articles of impeachment, and he was tried in the Senate. Not for fooling around and getting hummers, but for lying under oath- the same thing that Libby was tried for. However, since retention of power is far more important to the Democrats than justice and fair play, he was not convicted. Hypocrite.
Prez Awol had promised during
March 6, 2007 - 22:49 ET by joe conservativePrez Awol had promised during a news conference in June 2004 to fire any aide involved in the leak. Asked by a reporter whether he would "fire anyone" involved in leaking Plame's name, Prez AWOL replied, "Yes." Almost three years later I am still waiting for Prez AWOL to clean his house.
Uh, Joe...Maybe you didn't no
March 6, 2007 - 22:56 ET by Clear thinkerUh, Joe...
Maybe you didn't notice but Libby quit his job. Is the president supposed to refuse his resignation just so he could fire him?
Liberals...silly people!
The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.
Its common knowledge that Rov
March 6, 2007 - 23:01 ET by joe conservativeIts common knowledge that Rove was knee deep in this act of treason against Ms Wilson and America, even the spokesman for the jury pointed this out.
More common knowledge
March 6, 2007 - 23:24 ET by nkviking75It's also common knowledge that Ms. Plame does not, and did not at the time, meet the legal definition of a covert operative, so there's no crime here, let alone treason. Andrea Mitchell said Plame was well known in Washington circles. And the only reason Plame's name came to public attention was to counter her husband's lie that he went to Niger at the VP's request. Seems to me it's closer to treason to propagate lies to undermine American foreign policy. It may not meet the legal test, but it certainly is the spirit of treason.
In fact, many newsports, not
March 6, 2007 - 23:31 ET by joe conservativeIn fact, many newsports, not including Fox have indicated that the CIA believed the damage caused by the leak "was serious enough to warrant an investigation" and that the subsequent disclosure of Plame's CIA front company likely put other agents' work at risk. BTW Wilson has never claimed that he was sent to Niger at the request of VICE president.
Bush dogged by oppositon from within
March 7, 2007 - 00:07 ET by nkviking75If a CIA employee like Plame could set up this scenario to undermine the President, is it not plausible that other CIA employees would share her views and want to push this pseudo-scandal forward?
In all these years of reporting, Fox has never once reported that the CIA requested the investigation? Highly unlikely. Check out this Fox News report from 2003.
Here's Wilson's own words on how he came to be sent on the mission to Niger from the NY Times on 7/6/03:
In February 2002, I was informed by officials at the Central Intelligence Agency that Vice President Dick Cheney's office had questions about a particular intelligence report. While I never saw the report, I was told that it referred to a memorandum of agreement that documented the sale of uranium yellowcake — a form of lightly processed ore — by Niger to Iraq in the late 1990's. The agency officials asked if I would travel to Niger to check out the story so they could provide a response to the vice president's office.
So Cheney didn't call him up and ask him directly, but he implied that he was acting in response to a request for information from the VP's office.
Despite your references to &q
March 7, 2007 - 00:33 ET by GalvanicDespite your references to "common knowledge" and "many newspapers report . . ," apparently there wasn't an ounce of fact in them, because prosecutor Fitzgerald didn't seek a single indictment against anyone related to the case, including Richard Armitage, who turned himself into the Justice Department as the "leaker" 3 months before Fitzgerald's investigation even began. In other words, before he even started, Fitzgerald had the identity of the individual who allegedly "outted" Plame to Novak. And when he questioned Novak under oath, Novak told him it was Armitage. Yet, Armitage --- the man who essentiaqlly confessed to revealing Plame's employment --- wasn't charged. Even one of the jurors stated that some of the jury members couldn't understand why Libby was being prosecuted. BOTTOM LINE: Valerie Plame's CIA employment did not meet the criteria for protection under the law. There was no "leak." Nonetheless, neither Libby nor Armitage is in the Administration.
<even the spokesman for th
March 7, 2007 - 12:11 ET by Cape Conservative<even the spokesman for the jury pointed this out.>
WOW!!! That speaks volumes for the statement being the TRUTH, and nothing but the TRUTH! That juror had an agenda going in and I hope his statements are cause for a new trial.
Richard Armitage has admitted
March 6, 2007 - 23:17 ET by NL207Richard Armitage has admitted he leaked this to Robert Novak, who has also confirmed Armitage as his source. Armitage had already resigned when this became public. It is difficult to fire people who have already quit.
Bush had nobody to fire.
Q.E.D.
Bottom LineLibby is not the r
March 6, 2007 - 22:56 ET by joe conservativeBottom Line
Libby is not the real criminal in that administration. it is War Criminal Cheney.
What war crime has Cheney com
March 6, 2007 - 23:18 ET by NL207What war crime has Cheney committed? Or are you just a petty slanderer?
Link or slink, weasel.
I know Fox News gave 24 hour
March 6, 2007 - 23:39 ET by joe conservativeI know Fox News gave 24 hour coverage of Anna Nicole Smith causing conservatives to miss coverage of Lobby trial which put Cheney directly in the middle of this cesspool. I suggest you watch Countdown.
You lose. No link. No spe
March 7, 2007 - 00:20 ET by NL207You lose. No link. No specifics. Just slander.
Actually I've been followin
March 7, 2007 - 11:02 ET by Challenger GrimActually I've been following NRO's account of it very closely. Far as I can tell, Cheney doesn't have anything to do with it.
"One thing that certainl
March 6, 2007 - 22:57 ET by NeoConfirmed"One thing that certainly came out of this trail is that Vice President Cheney would do anything to defend himself"
J Frank you never cease to amaze....
If Cheney commited suicide you'd find a way to accuse him of setting up Maher's murder conviction.
We get it Frank. Democrat/Liberal good. Republican/Conservative bad and diabolical and heartless and racist and, well, you know.
And the jury heard the evid
March 7, 2007 - 10:57 ET by Challenger GrimAnd the jury heard the evidence and agreed with him - 4 out of 5
times. The innocent verdict on the 5th count tells me the jury was
paying attention and knew what they were doing.
Really? Funny considering that that little 5th count (lying about his cooper conversation) was identical to one of the other accounts he WAS convicted of (lying about his cooper conversation). The only difference was one was to the FBI and the other was to the grand jury. Which then makes even LESS sense when the other counts are added into it. (So Libby lied to the FBI about his talk with cooper but not his coversation with russert whereas he then lied to the grand jury about BOTH coversations - yeah that's logical.) It makes me more suspicious than assured and tells me that poor Libby was presumed guilty until proven innocent.
<President Bush could have
March 7, 2007 - 12:02 ET by Cape Conservative<President Bush could have avoided this whole mess by taking it seriously to start with and telling his administration "All of you have until 5 pm today to tell me who did what. I want it on my desk." Simple as that. If no one did anything wrong they had nothing to worry about. If they did then they should come clean and face the music.>
Well, well...wonder why the former Secretary of State didn't bother to tell the President he knew it was Armitage. From what I've read, Armitage did tell his superiors at State that he was the culprit. Guess they must have wanted to watch the President, THEIR BOSS, spin in the wind. I have lost any respect I formerly had for Colin Powell after knowing he did nothing to prevent this from going forth.
As for the jury verdict, from what I can gather, the DC pool from which these jurors were selected has very few conservatives and LOTS of liberals who have a problem with the Bush administration. That alone should have moved the trial to another location..."jury of his peers", my foot!
Schieffer really is stupid if
March 6, 2007 - 21:17 ET by GalvanicSchieffer really is stupid if he thinks this is going to damage the Administration. For one thing, what Fitzgerald's inquisition failed to establish was that a crime had been committed. So, even if Cheney had ordered Libby to reveal Plame's name and employment ot reporters, Cheney COMMITTED NO CRIME. Only ommitting the fact that Armitage gave the name to Novak, Schieffer and Couric perpetuate this conspiracy fantasy.
There was no "underlying crime", J. Frank, because Plame's CIA service didn;'t meet the criteria of the law prohibiting the revelation of covert agent identities. Were that the case, he could've gotten Armitage and Libby on that charge. But he didn't even pursue it. In fact, one juror speaking after the verdict said the determination of Plame's status never came out in court, probably because the jury might sympathize with an accused.
That same juror also said that the jury couldn't understand why Libby was being prosecuted when they really wanted to go after Cheney and Rove. No bias there, eh? What crap!
The jury convicted Libby; so be it. But Libby's perjury has nothing to do with covering a crime, because Fitzgerald could find no "underlying crime."
Fitzgerald
March 6, 2007 - 21:53 ET by iveseenitallNo crime was committed , but Fitzgerald found one. Nifong and the press tried to do the same to the Duke athletes. Is this America or Mother Russia? Watch out for who's ringing your doorbell; it may be a government prosecutor.
NEVER,NEVER trust a liberal
Watch out when you speak on t
March 6, 2007 - 22:22 ET by mostlymoderateWatch out when you speak on the telephone too! The Government might be listening. We know who started all that
Hopefully, Libby will turn on
March 6, 2007 - 22:52 ET by joe conservativeHopefully, Libby will turn on someone, hopefully Cheney, in order to not get it that bad in the sentencing phase.
And of course, if he doesn'
March 7, 2007 - 11:19 ET by Challenger GrimAnd of course, if he doesn't it'll mean that he's 'loyal' and 'protecting his superiors', no chance at all that maybe (just maybe) they are innocent of your suspicions. Apparently being a liberal means never having to admit you might (just might) be wrong/mistaken.
Or remembered something incorrectly.
The most important point brou
March 6, 2007 - 23:07 ET by joe conservativeThe most important point brought out by the trial is that whole Bush admistration is a horde of criminals. It's called gangsterism. It's the cornerstone of every fascist government.
You elected these facsists yo
March 7, 2007 - 00:15 ET by contraryYou elected these fascists you loser
Please list the person and th
March 7, 2007 - 00:25 ET by NL207Please list the person and their crime. Links please for each.
Can't do this? Just more slander.
Fascist Gov't, Yawn
March 7, 2007 - 13:30 ET by mastersofdeceitFascist government? Yawn. What's it been like a 25 year "slide" towards Fascism? You guys need to sing a new tune. Cause it's getting old.
BTW-Fascism is Leftist.
Do you REALLY think, Joe, tha
March 7, 2007 - 01:18 ET by Chicago RepublicanDo you REALLY think, Joe, that you live under a fascist government? If you do, you are more of a boogereater than libertyordeath.
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Turd muncher would be more
March 7, 2007 - 13:20 ET by Tim the EnchanterTurd muncher would be more accurate.
Umm...
March 6, 2007 - 22:03 ET by FactFiendThis does look bad for Cheney. Very bad. How can it look good? How can it not look bad?
You wrote: "If there is one fact that is undisputed, and undisputable, it is that neither Libby nor VP Cheney nor anyone in the White House first leaked Valerie Plame's identity. It was good old Richard Armitage over at the State Department."
What does it matter who first leaked her identity? Libby leaked her identity to Judith Miller and others before Novak's column was published. What would mention of Armitage add to the report?
You say that Schieffer should say certain things and not others, but you don't say why. You don't explain how they are relevant or irrelevant.
yeah, it looks really bad for
March 7, 2007 - 01:22 ET by Chicago Republicanyeah, it looks really bad for Cheney. You can tell because Fitzgerald indicted he and Rove for leaking Plame's "status".
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Witch-hunt. Beginning to end.
March 6, 2007 - 22:05 ET by jonathanandersonWitch-hunt. Beginning to end.
Katie Couric"How badly
March 6, 2007 - 22:13 ET by gopsteveKatie Couric
"How badly does this reflect on Mr. Cheney..."
Typical unbiased, non leading msm question!
Just like when they attempted
March 6, 2007 - 22:25 ET by mostlymoderateJust like when they attempted to impeach Clinton over his private affairs. Witch Hunt.
who attempted to impeach Clinton?
March 7, 2007 - 13:12 ET by tumbler_2007Nobody attempted; they DID impeach that low-life; and it wasn't over private affairs. The creep LIED to a Grand Jury under oath and to the whole nation on television. "I did not have sex with , er that woman." He was impeached and showed no shame about it; since he should've resigned. YOU continue in the same pattern of lying when confronted with your immoral status. Liars become totally shameless as a result of lying frequently.
tumb - it is depressing tha
March 7, 2007 - 13:25 ET by Jack Bauertumb - it is depressing that it's necessary to give history lessons about something which happened less than 10 years ago.
On another point.
The idea that the President of the United States can bang interns half his age in the very office that a revolution was fought to establish, and that this is a "private" matter is so absurd, you wonder about the mentality of people.
If Shrillary wins the Presidency I shall call him the First Scumbag.
You need to remember that Bil
March 7, 2007 - 23:57 ET by UnsaneYou need to remember that Bill Clinton PERSONALLY FED, CLOTHED and SHELTERED mostlyLeftist and 250 million+ other Americans, and that because we didn't make him PFL, the United States will burn in the hottest region of Hell forever...
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
"how badly does this ref
March 6, 2007 - 22:27 ET by HumanEvents"how badly does this reflect on Mr. Cheney in your view?"
"Very badly, and it's hard to conclude otherwise."
Sure it is, Bob. Because your "view" is whatever puts Republicans down (other than your favorite RINO's like Hagel that keep coming on your "Face the Nation" for supposed "balance") and lifts Democrats up.
"I think this is not only going to hurt the Vice-President, Katie, I think it's going to hurt the administration because it's going to raise new questions about their credibility when they already have more questions on their plate than they can really handle right now."
No, it is not going to hurt them nor raise questions about their credibility; you and the rest of the liberal news media are going to hurt them and raise new questions about their credibility through your distortions and biased "reporting". And it makes me want to yell like crazy every time a Democrat or media personality like Bob Scheiffer (which is the same thing) dares mention "credibility" regarding the Bush administration when the Clinton administration was by far the most corrupt and least credible one in history (and with the Dragon Lady currently running for President and making outrageous statements every day, how very asinine for Scheiffer to mention credibility and ignoring her current frauds, and her and her "husband's" numerous past corruption).
And hey Bob and Katie, how much credibility does Barrack Obama have after having just said the Selma march in 1965 led to his birth, which was in 1961? Well I guess since you two said nothing about it the answer is Obama is 100% credible and always will be.
The CBS Evening News = The Democrat National Committee.
Idiot and the B!tch
March 6, 2007 - 23:06 ET by ChasvsSo if these two morons are talking trash like this, what are Americans who believe these two going to think? How sad the MSM has no brains.
Mark, The good news is that M
March 6, 2007 - 23:12 ET by NeoConfirmedMark, The good news is that Mary Tyler Moore (oops, I mean Katie) managed a botoxed smile of sorts. I wonder why she's in such a good mood?
Cheney is a Vampire!
March 6, 2007 - 23:17 ET by Conservative in the ArtsKatie Couric asked Schieffer "how badly does this reflect on Mr. Cheney in your view?"
Schieffer: "It won't reflect at all. Mr. Cheney hasn't had a reflection for decades."
I'm starting to get the sen
March 7, 2007 - 00:12 ET by JPninerI'm starting to get the sense the left is asking for another civil war, this will thrill the islamist.
Bring it on!
March 7, 2007 - 13:17 ET by Tim the EnchanterBring it on!
Should we meet up at Manassas?
March 7, 2007 - 15:19 ET by Carl KolchakShould we all choose sides and meet up at Manassas? Maybe onlookers can come and have a picnic and watch the melee. Be careful though Tim, because Bill Clinton will be on the other side. You know all US History books will probably be rewritten and he will be made the hero of every US story. In fact did you know that General Lee didn't surrender to General Grant at Appomattox Courthouse? No that was Bill Clinton he surrendered to. Did you know Bill Clinton single handidly won the Battle of Gettysburg, and then gave the Gettsyburg Address? That's right it wasn't Abraham Lincoln. In fact Bill Clinton gave it and was praising himself, because he was every soldier that fought for the North at the Battle of Gettysburg. So Tim, be very careful about another Civil War, because Bill Clinton will always be the hero.
"Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.
But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth. " Abraham Lincoln
What fails to be brought forw
March 7, 2007 - 01:27 ET by KalihiwaiBeachWhat fails to be brought forward in all this facade is that during a time of war some information is deemed highly classified and certain questions to high officials by both the media and any grand jury can be interpreted as moot and answers given may be to protect the security of the United States. I do not know the specifics of questions to Mr. Libby that he replied to that were deemed as lies and would appreciate any info to those specifics. Something tells me a travesty of Justice has been done and I would like to be one amongst the People to be represented in an investigation to these specifics.
JMA
Kauai