The double standard of Leftists who are ignoring the outrage of Bill Maher -- who alluded to his wish that Vice President Dick Cheney was assassinated – while at the same time are wildly fanning themselves in mock outrage as if they had the vapors over Ann Coulter -- for calling Democrat John Edwards a bad name -- was on full display in the MSM over the weekend.
If you are a conservative who stays up on the "happenings" in conservative news, you'd have by now heard that firebrand Columnist Ann Coulter called Democratic Candidate John Edwards a "faggot" at the CPAC convention the other day. You are also probably aware of all the lefty types wading into the waters of high dudgeon over her typically button-pushing remark and you'll have seen Democrats and their supporters coming out of the woodwork to claim astonishment at Coulter's comment, demanding that conservatives distance themselves from her.
You'll also have noticed that every upstanding Conservative and GOP candidate was falling all over themselves in compliance to denounce Coulter's remarks.
Now, right here I'll probably get myself in trouble with some conservatives who are in a permanent mode of "fed-up" and who always get a thrill out of Coulter's work. I'll get tsk, tsked by them because, well, I just don't like her. Whenever I see her on TV, I stop paying attention, whenever I hear her on the radio I change stations, and I have long since stopped reading her columns. In fact, I see little difference between her and any of the hatemongers on the left like, for instance, a Bill Maher.
Of course, I am sympathetic to her core message of conservative values, but in my opinion she is no longer an effective conservative columnist having long ago diluted her message by a career that has advanced to the stage of "personality" instead of pundit. She is the H.L. Mencken of our times... minus the intellect.
Sadly, she obviously feels she has to say increasingly outrageous things to stay at the top of the news. In fact, at this point she isn't much different than Whitney Houston, Paris Hilton, or Britney Spears all of whom seem to feel a need to continuously up the ante of crazy behavior to keep getting noticed.
In other words, Coulter no longer does much to aid the cause because her own fame -- or more properly her infamy -- has become her driving force, the cause having been eclipsed by her need to stay in the news. I feel, at this point, that she is hurting us on the right more than helping us.
Alright, that being said -- and start the hate mail now -- it just cannot escape notice how the two infamies, Coulter's and Maher's, are being treated by the MSM.
First of all let's rate the relative outrages. Coulter called Edwards a derogatory name equating him to a man that likes homosexual sex, a name that is tinged with the cultural meaning of not being a "real" man, being an effete, and a weakling. OK, inappropriate in serious policy discussion, sure. But is it a hanging offense? Hardly.
Bill Maher, on the other hand, basically called for the assassination of a sitting American vice president! Of the two Maher's comments are by far the more egregious.
Coulter's comment is intemperate, childish, lowbrow, even frat house-like for its part, but it was just a derogatory name in the end. Maher wants people KILLED, for Heaven's sake. But is the left cranking up the water-works and crying for his head on a platter? The big question is, where are all the MSM talking heads calling for Democrats to immediately distance themselves from his immoral behavior? In fact, where have they ever been for denouncing Maher's ignorance? Since the 2000 election Maher has been just as caught up in the need for notice that Coulter is in the grips of with his every appearance seemingly geared to showcase an ever increasing intemperance, a wild eyed shrillness, and is filled with unstable verbiage.
If he isn't infected with BDS (Bush derangement syndrome), no one is.
Now, let's take a perusal of some of the gnashing of teeth and rending of clothes that the MSM has indulged in with Coulter over the last few days, shall we?
Outspoken U.S. conservative columnist Ann Coulter is drawing fire from Republicans and Democrats alike after publicly using a derogatory gay slur in reference to Democratic presidential hopeful John Edwards.
Ann Coulter outdoes herself - Conservative firebrand uses anti-gay slur against John Edwards
Coulter under fire for anti-gay slur
A blog on the Houston chronicle's site has this:
She's a charmer, isn't she? Here's what's I find funny: conservative friends will tell me that nobody really looks at Coulter as a serious person. With her calls for assassinations of public officials, general name-calling, and highly casual relationship with anything resembling facts, she's the court jester, a source of entertainment whom nobody really thinks of as one of the grown-ups.
So Ann Coulter called John Edwards a "faggot." All this proves is that the woman's gaydar is seriously on the fritz. Last year she diagnosed Bill Clinton as a "latent homosexual" whose "promiscuity" is "reminiscent of a bathhouse." Then on Hardball she called Al Gore a "total fag." Meanwhile, Ted Haggard and Mark Foley stage 120 Days of Sodom right under her nose, and all she can say when confronted with the goods is "who knew Congressman Foley was a closeted Democrat?"
The New York Times joined the fray, too.
These conferences (CPAC) have historically been known for displaying what its own organizers would describe as over-the-top behavior, and one of the regular speakers – Ann Coulter – offered an example of it when she used an anti-gay epithet on Friday to describe John Edwards, the former senator from North Carolina and Democratic presidential contender.
And Editor and Publisher quoted Dana Milbank:
The Post's Dana Milbank, in a column for the Saturday paper, observed: "Ann Coulter used an anti-gay slur to describe John Edwards (the line drew applause) and asked: 'Did Al Gore actually swallow Michael Moore?' When a questioner asked Coulter why she praises marriage but broke off so many engagements, she responded by calling the questioner ugly."
The Minnesota Daily, a University Paper, even tried their hand at the story:
The remark is so filled with bigotry it's surprising anyone would have the gall to say it in public, even if they believe it in private.
And that was the coverage by just a few news sources this weekend. There is a lot more where those came from. Imagine what it will be as the early part of the week rolls on and the "real" MSM pundits get a crack at this story from their weekend off work.
Naturally Democrat party spokesmen were all over the comment, too.
DNC Chairman, Howard Dean immediately released this statement: "There is no place in political discourse for this kind of hate-filled and bigoted comments. While Democrats and Republicans may disagree on the issues, we should all be able to agree that this kind of vile rhetoric is out of bounds. The American people want a serious, thoughtful debate of the issues. Republicans--including the Republican presidential candidates who shared the podium with Ann Coulter today--should denounce her hateful remarks."
Naturally, the man the comment was aimed at, John Edwards, had plenty to say, as well. Edward's campaign manager David Bonior said in an e-mail message: "John was singled out for a personal attack because the Republican establishment knows he poses the greatest threat to their power. Since they have nothing real to use against him, Coulter’s resorting to the classic right-wing strategy of riling up hate to smear a progressive champion."
Even Human Rights Campaign President Joe Solmonese got into the act with the following: "To interject this word into American political discourse is a vile and disgusting way to sink the debate to a new, all-time low. Make no doubt about it, these remarks go directly against what our Founding Fathers intended and have no place on the schoolyard, much less our country’s political arena.”
Solmonese went on to say, "It is clear that some in the Republican Party plan to run in 2008 the same way they did in 2004, by using discrimination to divide the country and rally their base. But, 2008 is not 2004, and this time the politics of fear and smear will not work. The American people are tired of those who would rather divide than unite."
(Those last three comments can be seen here: Ann Coulter’s Done It Again)
OK, we get it. Ann was a nitwit and said something inappropriate. How can anyone even be surprised any more?
Now, for the Right's part, there isn't anyone with any standing in the conservative community who is seen to be supporting Coulter's nonsense. All the GOP presidential candidates denounced her remark almost immediately (as can be seen in any of the linked stories above). Sean Hannity tried to gently distance himself from the kind of comments Coulter made and the right's favorite blogger, Michelle Malkin has also denounced the blond bomb...uh, shell.
Well, there is all the mess over Ann. It's got everyone abuzz, for sure.
Now, let's turn to Bill Maher's most recent comment.
As reported here on Newsbusters, on his HBO program "Real Time", Maher thought a "funny joke" was offered by Congressman Barney Frank who said that the bomb that recently missed vice president Cheney on an overseas visit was "wasted" because it didn't kill him (to audience laughter and applause, I might add).
The exchange went on:
Maher: But I have zero doubt that if Dick Cheney was not in power, people wouldn’t be dying needlessly tomorrow. (applause)
Scarborough: If someone on this panel said that they wished that Dick Cheney had been blown up, and you didn’t say…
Frank: I think he did.
Scarborough: Okay. Did you say…
Maher: No, no. I quoted that.
Frank: You don’t believe that?
Maher: I’m just saying if he did die, other people, more people would live. That’s a fact.
Now, here is a definitive listing of all the outrage exhibited over Bill Maher in the MSM and by GOP sources:
Bill Maher: Better If Cheney Is Dead
NewsBusters (as noted above)
Noel Sheppard's blog Bill Maher is Sorry the Assassination Attempt on Dick Cheney Failed
There you have it.
Two sources.
No Republicans finger wagging over Maher's comments. No Democrats rushing to the microphones to denounce Maher's constant over the top rhetoric. No MSM reports of Maher wishing the VP were assassinated.
Zip.
Nadda.
Nuthin'.
And, this isn’t a lone comment by Bill Maher, either. His wasn't the kind that might make people want to give him a pass because it was so unusual. Maher has been outrageous with his over the top rhetoric for some time, even losing a job over it when ABC decided not to renew his TV contract for his old show, “Politically Incorrect”. He's called America a stupid country with stupid people, said that torture is worse in Iraq now than it was under Saddam, said that Bush couldn't find his ass with two hands, was heard telling Christians to "go screw", called RNC Chairman Ken Mehlman "gay", said that Laura Bush is like Hitler's dog... well, I could go on and on and on.
Now, for her part, Coulter has said that her Edwards comment was "just a joke". I am sure Maher would have the same retort when his outrageous comments were pointed out.
But, the more salient point by contrasting these two people and their "jokes" is the way that the MSM treats them.
They ignore Maher.
They constantly and instantly pounce on Coulter.
NEITHER personality can be considered too serious a commentator on political or societal events, but only Coulter is focused upon by the MSM. Predictably, a hatemonger from the left gets a pass by the MSM, yet one coming from the right is made infamous by the very same people.
Interesting, wouldn't you say?













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Mr. Huston, you've said it
March 5, 2007 - 08:13 ET by motherbeltMr. Huston, you've said it all. No comment necessary.
Mr. Huston, I love you (in
March 5, 2007 - 10:46 ET by wiwfMr. Huston, I love you (in a non-faggoty type of way)
Coulter was very clearly atte
March 5, 2007 - 11:48 ET by JPninerCoulter was very clearly attempting a satirical joke, while Maher was very clearly serious. This combined with the difference in subject matter says it all.
Ann Coulter
March 5, 2007 - 12:53 ET by ChristianGFarleyWhy all the hand wringing over Ann Coulter's comments about the Silk Pony?
Hell, people PAY to hear stuff much, much worse on Howard Stern's XM radio show; and conservatives are supposed to feign responsiblilty from Ann's comment??
I suggest grief counseling for anyone offended by Ann's comment. There is far worse hate spewed on rap albums.
no he's NEVER GONNA GET IT
March 5, 2007 - 12:58 ET by CarpareusAnd of course Maher wants what he's never gonna git (IMO since I've never had the privelege of speaking with Ann).
You have made an important po
March 5, 2007 - 17:23 ET by kathleenirishYou have made an important point and distinction. There is even more of a disparity then; and, the contexts in which the words were uttered matters as well.
"He who has a thousand friends has not a friend to spare, and he who has one enemy will meet him everywhere" -Ali ibn-Abi-Talib, 4th Islamic Caliph
"... the H.L. Mencken
March 5, 2007 - 08:23 ET by sarcasmo"... the H.L. Mencken of our times... minus the intellect."
The second part's probably what's gonna annoy everyone-else-here, but needless to say it brought a smile to my face. Thanks for saying it.
JMR
truthfully, I'm not so sure h
March 5, 2007 - 08:36 ET by Warner Todd Hustontruthfully, I'm not so sure how many people even KNOW anything about Mencken these days! He loved Nazi Germany, ya know?
Race is one of those areas
March 5, 2007 - 08:46 ET by sarcasmoRace is one of those areas he really didn't think through, for some reason -- probably "the times" -- but my impression was he disdained other racists even as he had/expressed such feelings himself, which at least probably reflects America's torn feelings at the time on the issue. Wikipedia seems to indicate he was capable of being nice to individuals of any race, regardless of his reflexive rhetorical hostility to groups.
JMR
WTH: You've just got it wro
March 5, 2007 - 11:19 ET by robert108WTH: You've just got it wrong. Ann implied that Edwards was a "faggot", but her real target was the leftie use of "rehab" as penance for their sins, rather than real redemption through deeds. She was referring directly to an incident that happened with the cast of the TV show "Grey's Anatomy", in which one of the actors called another one a "faggot", and then immediately apologized and sought rehab for his "sin". I can accept if you don't like Ann, but please try to be accurate in your criticism. Your attempt at a Nazi slur on Ann is pathetic.
You, sir, are unhinged. No wh
March 5, 2007 - 11:25 ET by Warner Todd HustonYou, sir, are unhinged. No where in the post did I say "Nazi", allude to Ann being Nazi-like, or claim anything about Nazism. So, while you are gross enough to claim I am accusing people of being a Nazi... and you call ME "pathetic". YOU are part of the problem, pal.
Yes, you did. After descri
March 5, 2007 - 11:33 ET by robert108Yes, you did. After describing Ann as being like HL Mencken, but less intelligent, you said this:
"truthfully, I'm not so sure how many people even KNOW anything about Mencken these days! He loved Nazi Germany, ya know?"
You can deny it all you like, but you attempted to link Ann with someone whom you describe as loving Nazi Germany. Was that intended to be a joke?
IMO, what you said about Ann was far worse than anything she said about John Edwards.
BTW, I notice that you didn't deal with the main thrust of my comment.
WTH: To quote you, from you
March 5, 2007 - 11:37 ET by robert108WTH: To quote you, from your article:
"She is the H.L. Mencken of our times... minus the intellect."
Listen Robert108 - it's one thing to defend Coulter...
March 5, 2007 - 11:37 ET by acaiguanaListen Robert108 - it's one thing to defend Coulter, it is another to take a factual statement about Mencken (who was in many ways a deplorable racist and awful person) and tie it to the Editor of this page as a 'slur' against Coulter. No one reading Warner's post would make that association.
What's up with that?
ACA
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ACA: I'm sorry, but it's cl
March 5, 2007 - 11:42 ET by robert108ACA: I'm sorry, but it's clear that he slurred her with these two statements:
"She is the H.L. Mencken of our times... minus the intellect."
followed by:
"Didn't Mencken love Nazi Germany?"
Even comparing her to Mencken in the first place is a slur, IMO. It's one thing to not like her, but that sort of smear is just uncalled for, especially in this case.
OK, I'll go with you on the Mencken side in terms of Warner's po
March 5, 2007 - 11:47 ET by acaiguanaOK, I'll go with you on the Mencken side in terms of Warner's post. I'll stray on the other. For example, is it a crime to point out that Coulter is controversial? I don't think so.
Is it a crime to compare her to another controversial figure in politics and polemic political opinion? I don't think so.
Coulter is as smart as they get. Warner's point, I believe, is that she is losing her touch when she goes to the lengths of raising a point that is sure to create a firestorm of Liberal hate.
Now, I don't particularly agree that is fair, given the context of the post.
You are focusing on an item that simply takes Coulter to task. Isn't that what the exchange of ideas is about?
Or not?
ACA
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ACA: I never called anythin
March 5, 2007 - 11:54 ET by robert108ACA: I never called anything WTH wrote as "a crime". I only disagreed with his characterization of Ann being anything like HL Mencken. I also objected to his association of Ann with Mencken's sympathy with Nazi Germany, which I thought was both off-topic and incorrect. I am a bit shocked that he immediately went ad hominem on me, but maybe that is an indication of something. It seems to me that WTH did exactly the same thing with Ann that Ann did with Edwards, only much nastier. He criticizes her for doing what he does himself, at least in this instance.
robert108 - yes when Warner decided to post this thread...
March 5, 2007 - 11:58 ET by acaiguanarobert108 - yes when Warner decided to post this thread he knew he would get tremendous flak from the Annie guys out there. I know that. I was a bit surprised that he wrote the piece.
Mencken was an idiot, we can agree.
Warner is not.
So, I don't see his comment about Mencken as relating to his post about Coulter. What happened here was someone made a comment about Mencken and Warner replied to that comment. He did not conflate the comment to Ann C. I don't believe for one moment that Warner thinks Ann C. is a Nazi.
I do believe he is taking her to task. I see that as a healthy thing.
ACA
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ACA: WTH made both statemen
March 5, 2007 - 12:06 ET by robert108ACA: WTH made both statements, as you can see if you look them up. I haven't called him any names, nor have I insulted his intelligence. I simply disagree with his comparison of her with Mencken. I like Ann, but I'm not against anyone who doesn't like her; I just ask that they be honest in their criticism, instead of using smear. Frankly, I'm a bit surprised at the extreme reaction I got from WTH. I still maintain she was criticizing the leftie rush to rehab, and only incidentally questioning Edwards' manliness.
Aca.... I don't know if I c
March 5, 2007 - 12:36 ET by Tim the EnchanterAca.... I don't know if I can agree that Mencken was an idiot. He certainly was an angry person and probably the most cynical person that ever had a public audience. His takes on some aspects of government are brilliant, but at the same time, he seemed to take a "don't bother me with fact, my mind's made up" attitude towards religion.
Ann perhaps should have used a different adjective. Certainly the one she used is not accurate to the best of our knowledge. Effeminate he is, or at least he portrays himself as such. Maybe she could have said "sissy boy" and got the point across. "Metrosexual" just doesn't have the right "zing".
Tim, if Ann had used any ot
March 5, 2007 - 12:50 ET by MightyMouthTim, if Ann had used any other word than "faggot" then it would have been a direct attack on Edwards. The key to this whole controversy is two words; "faggot" and "Rehab". What is being lost in the outrage is that Ann was slamming self imposed PC "rehab", NOT "faggots".
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
I dunno Tim, I got a serious problem with racism as shown.
March 5, 2007 - 17:32 ET by acaiguanaI dunno Tim, I got a serious problem with racism as shown.
Mencken was without any doubt a racist. My premise is that one cannot be 'smart' and be a racist. So, there we have it.
ACA
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ignore this troll...
March 5, 2007 - 11:49 ET by Warner Todd HustonIt's clear this fool knows NOTHING about Mencken. Mencken was irascible and got worse as each year rolled on. He was ever on the hunt for meaner and more over the top things to say bout his enemies or perceived enemies. But, he at least, was able to keep it somewhat more "literary" than Ann.
But, YOU know that was what I meant and anyone who has any knowledge of history, literature or Mencken himself knows that is what I meant. His liking Nazi Germany had NOTHING to do with my point.
This nitwit needs to read a book or two!
"His liking Nazi Germa
March 5, 2007 - 11:57 ET by robert108"His liking Nazi Germany had NOTHING to do with my point."
Why did you mention it, then?
Why all the shouting? I'm simply disagreeing with your comparison of Ann with Mencken. Can you deal with disagreement?
I'd have to say the ad homi
March 5, 2007 - 12:01 ET by liberal_bug_zapperI'd have to say the ad hominem is making his point not yours... leave the ad hominem attacks up to me... I like them and people expect it out of me you dirty attention whore... ;-p
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I have to agree, robert
March 5, 2007 - 13:58 ET by tumbler_2007rob108 has it correct;
Warner first disparages Cool Ann with the left-handed compliment,
Then sandbags her with guilt by association, going back to H.L. Mencken.
In fact Mencken was a badly flawed American with an abounding talent for writing, especially black humor. He was coldly atheistic as well. All his hatred was expressed with gusto. And yet he's more entertaining than for instance Bertrand Russell.
Warner is guilty of nothing so abhorent or unfair. He writes much the way Ann Coulter does. He lets the chips fall where they may. Warner Todd Huston isn't writing here for prestige; he's just giving an honest opinion. Like most of us.
I understand (whether or no
March 5, 2007 - 11:43 ET by sarcasmoI understand (whether or not I always particularly-respect) the reflexive dislike from the right of Wikipedia, but occasionally a click & some reading can lead to learning...Has for me, anyway! And I think it's a bit unfair to judge all past historical figures solely by today's very-PC standards (even the figures I don't like as much as I enjoy the works of Mencken).
JMR
You are not only unhinged, bu
March 5, 2007 - 11:39 ET by Warner Todd HustonYou are not only unhinged, but unable to follow a discussion. I was talking about MENCKEN, NOT COULTER. Further and that was NOT IN THE POST it was in a reply that took us off SUBJECT!!!
Now, if I had said something like: "Mencken, like Coulter, loved Nazi Germany..." But I did NOT! I was talking ONLY about Mencken.
And the "main thrust of your comment" was empty of intelligence. So, no reply is necessary... just like this will be the last time I bother with a mental midget like yourself.
Idiot.
WTH: The fact that my calli
March 5, 2007 - 11:44 ET by robert108WTH: The fact that my calling you on your statements makes you run away tells me all I need to know about you.
Bravo Robert!!!!"Never t
March 5, 2007 - 12:11 ET by KEJ68Bravo Robert!!!!
"Never try to teach a liberal to think, It wastes your time and annoys the liberal!"
Nowhere in this thread does
March 5, 2007 - 14:54 ET by dscottNowhere in this thread does he equate Mencken with liking NAZI Germany. You are taking things out of context just like the libs taking Ann's quote out of context. Are you seriously saying Warner "meant" to equate Ann with Nazism or Mecken in this article? This is like saying the Bible tells you to go hang yourself because in one passage it says, "Judas hung himself"; in another passage it says, "Go and do likewise".
Dude, you have not distinquished yourself well by this attack on Warner and in fact made yourself look silly. That's coming from a person who likes to read what Ann has to say. In my opinion, she only said what many people were thinking. There is a time and a line that saying faggot or any other derogatory name just reflects poorly on the speaker.
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius
"Dude, you have not di
March 5, 2007 - 16:59 ET by robert108"Dude, you have not distinquished yourself well by this attack on Warner..." Dude, I have not attacked Warner; he associated Ann with Mencken, then "mentioned" that Mencken liked Nazi Germany. I'm not putting words in his mouth; he said those things in this thread, and I quoted him previously. He did attack me for calling him on it, though, which might make him look silly. Look, if he made a mistake, that's cool, but he has yet to admit that.
Dudes, you're all-wrong bec
March 5, 2007 - 17:08 ET by sarcasmoDudes, you're all-wrong because you're all apparently-ignoring (stupid cloak!) the Wikipedia-link (ok, unless it's wrong!!) And although I like his writing/cigars/etc., I'm FAR from being an expert on Mencken, but the more-complex & nuanced picture painted on the link seems -- both from his writings and from what little I know about the man -- likely to be correct. IMO.
JMR
Hold on there hoss, the first
March 5, 2007 - 17:49 ET by dscottHold on there hoss, the first person to mention the word NAZI "in this thread" was you, not Warner. Just click edit on your brouser, click find and then write Nazi in the dialog box. What he wrote on another thread/subject is not relevant to this discussion in the manner you raised it. Now had you said quoting him with a link what about what you said about Mencken elsewhere, that would be fair game. But that's not what happened here, you made a leap of logic leaving everyone behind.
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius
Hold on there hoss, the first
March 5, 2007 - 17:50 ET by dscottduplicate
"...the leftie use of 'r
March 5, 2007 - 13:47 ET by j. frank wilson"...the leftie use of 'rehab'?" You refer to Congressman Ney, who blamed alcohol for his corruption problems? Or the Rev. Haggard (indeed) who went into rehab for 3 weeks and came out straight (so to speak).
As one who knows very little
March 5, 2007 - 12:25 ET by AppyAmericanAs one who knows very little about Mencken, your subtle point about Ann Coulter flew right past me. I took it as comparing Coulter to a nazi, also. I understand your feelings about her as a pundit or what ever term should fit her, but what exactly were you trying to say when you mentioned Mencken?
As for Coulter's comment about Edwards, I took it to be a joke about her having to go to rehab if she HAD called him a faggot, not that she was calling him a faggot. Perhaps not enough coffee when reading the column, but my perception of what I read is just that, my perception. Just as with your remark about Mencken, what is implied, is not always what is inferred.
Please go back and read it ag
March 5, 2007 - 13:55 ET by j. frank wilsonPlease go back and read it again. Ann Falter said, in so many words, since she wasn't able to call Mr. Edwards a "faggot" she would have nothing to say about him.
COULTER: Oh, and I was going to have a few comments on the other Democratic presidential candidate, John Edwards. But it turns out that you have to go into rehab if you use the word "faggot," so I'm -- so I'm kind of at an impasse, can't really talk about Edwards. So I think I'll just conclude here and take your questions.
golly gee, j. frank
March 5, 2007 - 14:36 ET by tumbler_2007You said the truth,
Ann indeed meant let's not go there, he's a fag. One passing mention and she brought down the house.
Now, the word faggot is a loaded term. But has it gone off in Ann's face? Not at all. Her public has come to expect little trifles like that from her. What HAS the media in a tizzy is; the remark might yet open the public's eyes to Mr. Edwards, the All-American Boy. He's one of their own, after all; untouchable.
Thank you JFW, you saved me f
March 5, 2007 - 15:05 ET by dscottThank you JFW, you saved me from having to hunt up the context of the remarks.
Robert, you can interpret this context anyway you want. Bottom line here is if John Edwards and his Dem supporters are this thin skinned, then he has no business running for president. What is he going to do, run home to momma everytime some foreign leader or domestic critic talks him down???? As far as his supporters are concerned grow up, put on your big girl panties because now you're playing in the big leagues. Stop whinning or go home. Bunch of whinny sissies.
George W Bush has been called worse and accused of being the evil emperor, Lord Sidious. Do you see him whinning??? Do you see Cheney whinning over Maher remarks??? Grow up, all of you.
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius
Sounds like a line from the
March 5, 2007 - 17:21 ET by Tim the EnchanterSounds like a line from the movie "Ensign Pulver". To wit..."I don't want a bunch of whining sissies with table manners! I want men!"
Tim:I will research it, but t
March 5, 2007 - 17:35 ET by BDTim:
I will research it, but to my memory, an Admiral once said something along the lines of "I don't want any GOOD LOSERs, I want tough Hombres who will go out and win."
Exactly, who wants a whimp to
March 5, 2007 - 17:41 ET by dscottExactly, who wants a whimp to be president of the US??? Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton didn't do us any favors, now did they? And what did we get for playing nice???? Kidnapping of our embassy staff in Iran, attacked at least 8 times with ineffectual responses and 911 planned, funded and trained under our very noses. That's what happens when sissies run the Whitehouse. What happens when a Repub is in the Whitehouse? Saddam and OBL hiding in rat holes. In foreign policy, it is better and safer to be feared than to be liked, the world is a tough place requiring tough leaders who know when it is time to stop talking and start kicking. If the Repubs are smart and stick to that theme, the Whitehouse is ours in 2008, no question.
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius
Aw shucks Warner, she's blond, she's witty and she's the only on
March 5, 2007 - 08:29 ET by acaiguanaAw shucks Warner, she's blond, she's witty and she's the only one.
<Sounds like a line from a rock 'n' roll song, huh?>
I agree the uproar is unfair but fair. Oh well.
Coulter does make her points with sarcastic and ironic humor. And she can do stuff that is nasty.
Good Post Warner. I read it and I liked it.
ACA
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Quoted from: 'Acaiguana Notes from the Bomb Shelter' (soon to be a movie at theaters near you)
Thanks guys. I know this one
March 5, 2007 - 08:35 ET by Warner Todd HustonThanks guys. I know this one is rather long, but it had a lot of ground to cover.
Nice post, except that the
March 5, 2007 - 08:36 ET by OIFveteranNice post, except that the bandwagon left 2 days ago.
<insert something clever>
So, OIFveteran, your idea of thoughtful reflection is ... What?
March 5, 2007 - 08:38 ET by acaiguanaSo, OIFveteran, your idea of thoughtful reflection is ... What?
Translation, I don't get your point.
ACA
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Sure, my point is that this t
March 5, 2007 - 14:48 ET by OIFveteranSure, my point is that this topic has been talked to death on the blogs all over the place. Hot Air had 3 threads on Coulter vs 1 on Maher over the weekend, ace has covered both, jawa has covered both, flopping aces has covered both.
Everything that can be said about this already has been said about this. We all know the Dhimmis will never go after Maher for his vile commments, and we all know that lefties and conservatives that either a) have no spine, or b) jealous of Ann's success/power will try to eat her alive.
Like Ann says, it is Kabuki theater.
<insert something clever>
Can I be controversial here
March 5, 2007 - 09:04 ET by Jack BauerCan I be controversial here and defend both Maher and Coulter in the sense of their long established roles in a free society
Both perform a vital service in what we like to think of as our culture, which puts such a premium on free speech.
You don't have to agree with either of them (and I despise Maher's politics) to understand that they are merely the latest in a long Western tradition of tweeking the noses of the rich, famous and powerful.
I am not putting either in the same league as Jonathon Swift, but they are both clearly swimming in the same satirical waters. How you view them as big fish or minnows depends on your politics.
They are both iconoclasts. Again, I am not assigning any value to either on their talent.
The problem with today, is so many have no idea of what went before. We didn't invent partisan, vicious political discourse.
But come on. "Who knew Foley was a closet democrat..." is very witty and relevant to those with a knowledge of politics and the judicious use of the stilleto phrase.
Why hurrrumppphhh about a satirist you don't like. Just hit back twice as hard at HIM or her.
I agree, Jack, the answer t
March 5, 2007 - 09:53 ET by motherbeltI agree, Jack, the answer to offensive free speech is not censorship, it is MORE free speech. People have the right to disagree with Ann, shoot back, call her names, whatever. Name-calling may be juvenile, but in our current atmosphere, you have to push the envelope to get noticed.
With the PC crew operating at full bore, George Carlin may have to come up with a new list of "seven words you can't say on television" only they will have to be words you can't say at all.
dittos - motherbelt. Defend
March 5, 2007 - 10:16 ET by Jack Bauerdittos - motherbelt.
Defending free speech means defending the rights of OTHERS to offend you (and me). It's not nice, but that's it really.
That's why I disagree with lib***ls so much.
They seem to spend an inordiante amount of effort trying to close down the free speech of others by using the government to proscribe against conservatives or any ideas contractict their socialist worldview. Look at the misnamed Fairness Doctrine that's back on the Democrat agenda.
So I'm calling all conservatives to counter the likes of Maher by freely attacking the very foundations of their misguided opinions. Coulter does that with vicious satire.
And, he ain't that bright or funny.
I'm of the mindset that whe
March 5, 2007 - 10:21 ET by liberal_bug_zapperI'm of the mindset that when there is a big uproar over something considered Politically Incorrect and everyone is denouncing something... I tend to root for the little guy.
Like Jack said, I find what Maher said repulsive.... but I'm not at all repulsed by Coulter as I got what she was saying. You must illustrate the absurdity of the left and their idiotic runs to rehab every time they show themselves. What's next, the left will discover that most the USA is conservative, so each time they show their socialist side, they head off to rehab???
Everyone else who is jumping on the 'hate-Ann' bandwagon needs to realize that you're not gaining any friends on the left... and you will gain no credibility. They will hate you just the same, if not more. Just as Rush always says, be nice to them, they'll take what you give them and then hate you even more. You see, unlike many Republicans, the left aren't out just to win, they're out to destroy our side so we'll never challenge them again. So, I say, we destroy them first... Politically speaking.
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"It is the direction and not the magnitude which is to be taken into consideration." ~ Thomas Paine
Draft Ann Coulter for VP...An
March 5, 2007 - 12:14 ET by Senior ChiefDraft Ann Coulter for VP...Ann would be in the right position to pound the left during the campaign period. I will support Ms. Coulter for she's the only one, besides Rush, articulates the leftist delusional agenda. Political correctness will enable the enemy gain support without rebuke. Ann Coulter can counter that in a bigger stage. Her wit and hard-hitting comments will make conservative pay attention what's going on.
Also noticed that only the politicians are commenting and "distancing" themselves from Ms. Coulter. I am pretty sure, folks like me are thrilled Ann can say what some of us can't say publicly. We have to remember, politics turned to a different direction since GWB took office. So instead of scrutinizing Ann, why not allow her to exercise her freedom of speech.
tell ya what Senior Chief:
March 5, 2007 - 15:07 ET by tumbler_2007I don't believe Coulter would help the GOP ticket, so hold it.
But after we get the Republican president we know we will get;
Let him give Pretty Ann a cabinet post. OR, move Tony Snow into the Senior Advisor slot and make Cool Ann his successor in the White House press room.
I'd DIE to see her pulverize David Gregory one day & milk Helen Thomas for laughs the next!
Hypocrisy aside, which is s
March 5, 2007 - 09:07 ET by dervishHypocrisy aside, which is so commonplace as to be hardly noticeable, the leftwing reacted to this as if the President himself had said it. Get a clue, folks: she makes her living by sticking forks in you. I don't know that she's ever expressed a new idea -- she just puts a viciously humorous spin (at best) on whatever's topical. She creates no policy, leads no movement, and has about as much political clout as Dave Barry. Scorn her, but grow up already.
Would that the media paid a
March 5, 2007 - 09:13 ET by sarcasmoWould that the media paid as much attention to Dave. (Who is also running for president. Again.)
JMR
...So maybe she has even LE
March 5, 2007 - 09:35 ET by dervish...So maybe she has even LESS political clout than he does. :)
The biggest problem with all
March 5, 2007 - 10:40 ET by Tom PaineThe biggest problem with all of this is the selective outrage of the MSM depending on if the the perpetrator is a liberal or a conservative. We are fortunate in this case that the two incidents happened almost simultaneously so we can watch this hypocrisy play out in real time. I agree that what Ann did was over the top and foolish, but in the end she called Edwards a name she did not call for his assassination. It doesn't bother me that the MSM takes potshots at conservatives, but the volume control should stay at the same level when liberals trip up as well.
Why all the fuss? Rush Limba
March 5, 2007 - 09:49 ET by DilbertWhy all the fuss? Rush Limbaugh used to refer to US Rep. Barney Frank as Barney Fag and referred to Edwards as the "Breck Girl" during the 2004 elections. Rush hardly hampered the conservative cause, he is a self proclaimed entertainer, not a politician. Why should Ann's comments be taken any differently?
Rush Limbaugh never referred
March 5, 2007 - 10:09 ET by truth_missileRush Limbaugh never referred to Barney Frank as Barney Fag on his radio show - that slip of the lip goes to Rep. Dick Armey. Rush referred to Edwards as the Breck girl because of Edwards all-style no substance airhead sheen.
And sarcasmo's comment at t
March 5, 2007 - 10:23 ET by sarcasmoAnd sarcasmo's comment at the time was: "Dick Armey's sure an ideal guy to make fun of other peoples' names!" Hmmm. Still fits today...
JMR
You are correct on origin of
March 5, 2007 - 10:40 ET by DilbertYou are correct on origin of the initial remarks by Armey, but Rush used to use the "slur". I wish he wasn't so tempered now, I'd like to hear "feminazi" more. And I understand the term "Breck Girl." I'm just surprised that the term never engendered an indignant response from the MSM or the Kerry-Edwards campaign. Let it be clear that I said "engendered," not transgendered, I don't want to be dragged into this fracas.
You comments are on the mark
March 5, 2007 - 11:18 ET by truth_missileYou comments are on the mark - Rush has bought into the 'I'm just an entertainer' categorization and thus his comments have been neutralized by the media. There is no longer much outrage associated with Rush from the MSM because they have turned everything he says into a 'nudge nudge wink wink- he's just saying that for ratings' kind of thing. They have not done this this to Ann Coulter yet, that's why there is still the need to shout her down, condemn her at every turn.
I have a slightly different t
March 5, 2007 - 13:03 ET by mattmI have a slightly different take on Rush. I think the MSM ignore him because they can't refute him. They tried to derail him with false accusations, but he still pulls in 20 million listeners and is making converts to conservatism on a daily basis. The MSM gave up on him because they can't beat him.
Conservative politicians should heed his example and stick to conservatism and never back down. The GOP lost in 2006 by doing the exact opposite of this. It is a theme of Rush's that holds true everytime: when Republicans betray conservatism, they lose elections.
FAG
March 5, 2007 - 10:55 ET by BBallleaperAs far as I can discern Ms. Coulter was attempting to make a social comment on and against liberal political correctness i.e., Grey's Anatomy ( I don't watch this tripe). In attempting to criticize PC she made a decision to utilize the affect and effeminate characteristics of Edwards. But why him? Easy.
If you have seen the photo of Kerry consoling Edwards where Kerry cuddles the forlorn, effeminate Breck Girl and kisses his forehead, you would perhaps begin to understand why strong heterosexual men are repulsed by both these pretty boys!.
Additionally, you may have seen the video where this effeminate little twerp brushes his hair endlessly prior to a campaign appearance while having his coiffure hair sprayed and gazing longingly at himself in a mirror over and over and over until you want to puke!.
I'm sorry, but Ann did not directly call him a faggot. She did utilize his name indirectly to criticize liberal PC speech. Effeminate? Feminine? Girlish? Whatever. If you're liberal you can call our Marines "killers" and you can wish the Vice President "dead", you can equate our military with Hitler and Pol Pot. (Notice how libs never name Stalin!!!!!!!!!!!!), and everything is fine.
Criticize an effeminate, vacuous, vapid, pretentious pretty boy and you deserve public execution. The usual left double standard. Howard Dean should have been placed in a mental hospital years ago for the things he's called the Right.
Yet he wants Coulter's scalp! Patheitic. Go Ann Go!
I'm with you. I am glad som
March 5, 2007 - 11:00 ET by MightyMouthI'm with you. I am glad someone has the <gulp> "balls" to take the gloves off! Go Ann Go!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
"DNC Chairman, Howard Dean im
March 5, 2007 - 09:55 ET by i was just thinking"DNC Chairman, Howard Dean immediately released this statement: 'There is no place in political discourse for this kind of hate-filled and bigoted comments.' "
"I hate Republicans and everything they stand for." Howard Dean
I'm starting a list of exampl
March 5, 2007 - 10:08 ET by richflanjI'm starting a list of examples of this ongoing hypocricy. Feel free to add. So far:
1. "Air Pelosi" (no problem) vs. John Sununu (problem)
2. Catholic Priest pedophiles (HUGE problem) vs. Public School teacher pedohiles (what problem?)
3. George Bush (41) ficticious secret meeting with Iran during the Carter hostage crisis ("Oh my God we must investigate!!!!") vs. Bill Clinton' "pick a scandal" administration ("What scandal?")
4. George Bush (43) actual National Guard service ("did he get out of anything ? We must find out!!!) vs. John Kerry's questionable service record.
5. MEMOGATE ("Fake but accurate") vs. CATTLEGATE ("$100,000 into $1,000,000, no problem")
6. Florida 2000 ("recount, recount, recount, dammit......") vs. JFK's Illinois "vote early vote often" electoral victory (Camelot, etc.)
7. Malveau "I hope Clarence Thomas gets a heart attack and dies." (mediacrickets chirping) vs. "Macaca" (Off with his head!!)
8. Michael Steele having Oreos thrown at him ("How nice of the audience to give him a snack during his speech.) vs. "Macaca" (again)
And that's just off the top of my head, without my first cup of coffee.
"The right to be heard does not automatically include the right to be taken seriously." --Hubert Humphrey
Hi Rich... I just had to go
March 5, 2007 - 10:35 ET by liberal_bug_zapperHi Rich... I just had to go a tad off topic... I disagree with Hubert Humphrey's quote "The right to be heard does not automatically include the right to be taken seriously."
I don't believe we have the right to be heard. We only have the right to speak. Everyone else has the right not to listen. Even elected officials go through that realization, I mean look at what Barney Frank did to Patrick McHenry on the floor of the House. While free speech may exist, it does not mean anyone has to listen. So, there is no right to be heard, thus nullifying Mr. Humphrey's statement.
And of course, who could ever take Barney Frank seriously anyway...
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" It is necessary to the happiness of man that he be mentally faithful to himself. Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving, it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe." ~ Thomas Paine
I use that quote, at least in
March 5, 2007 - 11:44 ET by richflanjI use that quote, at least in part, to illustrate the difference between then and now. Remember, Hubert Humphery was, in his day, thought to be fairly far to the left of the political spectrum. Yet, he still believed people had a right to be heard. Compare that with today's shout-down, physically assaulting, pie-throwing leftist, who can't/won't listen to any opinion or belief that contridicts his own narrow mindset. Today's leftists don't realize, don't want, and/or don't believe, that freedom of speech must apply to everyone.
#5: I believe "Cattleg
March 5, 2007 - 12:43 ET by Tim the Enchanter#5: I believe "Cattlegate" was a $1,000 investment that "yielded" $100,000. Nice work if you can get it.
There is a problem with your
March 5, 2007 - 13:59 ET by j. frank wilsonThere is a problem with your point #6. Florida put George Bush into the White house; Illinois did not elect John F. Kennedy.
So you agree with the other 7
March 5, 2007 - 15:08 ET by dscottSo you agree with the other 7 points? LOL!!!!! You are in rare form today my friend.
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius
At least he didn't bring ou
March 5, 2007 - 17:24 ET by Tim the EnchanterAt least he didn't bring out the old discredited "selected, not elected" nonsense. TGFSF!
President George Bush got all
March 5, 2007 - 18:09 ET by j. frank wilsonPresident George Bush got all the votes he needed - they just happened to come from Justices of the US Supreme Court.
Who acted to uphold Florida
March 5, 2007 - 18:35 ET by Tim the EnchanterWho acted to uphold Florida election law- as written. Besides, in case you hadn't heard, the news media did their own count of the ballots- and found out that George W. Bush legitimately won Florida. Didn't fit with their agenda, so they smothered that story in its crib. Nice try.
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March 5, 2007 - 18:43 ET by Chicago RepublicanFor the 1000th time.
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Yes they did
March 5, 2007 - 17:31 ET by James2306Yes they did