Hypocrisy Update: Al Gore’s Home Uses 20 Times the Energy of Average American’s

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In another classic example of liberals telling Americans to “Do As I Say, Not As I Do,” Dr. Global Warming Himself, aka Al Gore, has been identified by the Tennessee Center for Policy Research as talking a good game about energy conservation while not walking the walk.

In a press release published Monday just hours after the conclusion of the Academy Awards, the “independent, nonprofit and nonpartisan research organization” reported (emphasis mine throughout, h/t Drudge): “Last night, Al Gore’s global-warming documentary, An Inconvenient Truth, collected an Oscar for best documentary feature, but the Tennessee Center for Policy Research has found that Gore deserves a gold statue for hypocrisy.”

The release marvelously continued:

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“Gore’s mansion, located in the posh Belle Meade area of Nashville, consumes more electricity every month than the average American household uses in an entire year, according to the Nashville Electric Service (NES)."

Lest we not forget that in his celluloid tribute to junk science, “the former Vice President calls on Americans to conserve energy by reducing electricity consumption at home.”

As a frame of reference, “[t]he average household in America consumes 10,656 kilowatt-hours (kWh) per year, according to the Department of Energy.”

By contrast, in 2006, Dr. Global Warming “devoured nearly 221,000 kWh—more than 20 times the national average.”

The release elaborated:

Last August alone, Gore burned through 22,619 kWh—guzzling more than twice the electricity in one month than an average American family uses in an entire year. As a result of his energy consumption, Gore’s average monthly electric bill topped $1,359.

Yet, the really delicious hypocrisy was still to come: “Since the release of An Inconvenient Truth, Gore’s energy consumption has increased from an average of 16,200 kWh per month in 2005, to 18,400 kWh per month in 2006.”

Isn’t that just ducky? This charlatan goes around the world telling people that they need to conserve energy to save the planet, and his consumption increased by almost 14 percent.

What a crock! As a result, the press release aptly concluded:

“As the spokesman of choice for the global warming movement, Al Gore has to be willing to walk the walk, not just talk the talk, when it comes to home energy use,” said Tennessee Center for Policy Research President Drew Johnson.

In the immortal words of Our Gang’s Farina, you said a mouthful.

UPDATE (Ken Shepherd | 2/27/2007, 09:12 EST): The Anchoress has a good critique at her site, where she notes that President Bush's Crawford ranch is and has been eco-friendlier than Gore's mansion for years, although the press rarely if ever give the president credit for that.

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Exactly how is he accomplishi

Exactly how is he accomplishing all this power consumption? I can't imagine, maybe several plasma screen TVs blazing 24 hours a day?

Large scale growing operati

Large scale cannabis growing operations using hydroponics are often detected from abnormally high electricity consumption.

Hydro

Unless he's tapping in directly into a pole nearby. As I know someone who was wont to do. ; ) (no not me!)

Wouldn't suprise me a bit.

It's those electrified fences

...around his entire fortress, er, estate.

 

"He was a would-be sharp operator who lacked for the satisfaction of his ambition only the quality of sharpness..." -Michael Chabon

He really does use a whole

He really does use a whole year's worth. My last bill shows that we used 18,600 KWH last year. That's around 1500 a month. And I must admit, we are not fanatical about conserving. I use my clothes dryer all the time, the heat-dry cycle in my diswasher, etc. And we have a comfortable 2400 sq-ft. house. I can't even imagine what you have to do to use that much energy. The house must be HUGE!

Al Gore environmental disaster

Liberalism can not survive in truth!

Al Gore’s carbon foot is ‘HUGE’ like a crater!    Just imagine if everyone was as environmentally unfriendly as Al Gore.  The hypocrisy of these liberals simply knows no bounds.    LIBERALS. . .   Do as I say, not as I do!

Hil•lar•ism (Noun)

"I want to take those profits."

 "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."

 

Rush just reported Pres. Bush' ranch is geothermal heated

Rush just reported Pres. Bush' ranch in Crawford is geothermal heated. LOL

Bush has a long ago built heat exchanger that warms and air conditions his Texas ranch. The water used (from a rain catch bin ) is recirculated to sometanks and cleaned and waters the lawn and such to "blend the house into the surroundings".

roflmao - The Al Gore lib is beaten by President Bush  - ONCE AGAIN !

lol - I guess the news has hidden Bush' enviro friendly heat and cooling at his ranch, for some time. Rush said there was one article in the USAToday or something in 2000 or 2001.

wiki : [ The house was built by members of a religious community from nearby Elm Mott, Texas and wasn't completed until after his inauguration.

The passive-solar house is positioned to absorb winter sunlight, warming the interior walkways and walls of the residence. Geothermal heat pumps circulate water through pipes buried 300 feet (100 m) deep in the ground. A 40,000 US gallon (151 m³) underground cistern collects rainwater gathered from roof urns; wastewater from sinks, toilets, and showers cascades into underground purifying tanks and is also funneled into the cistern. The water from the cistern is then used to irrigate the landscaping around the four-bedroom home. ]

AL GORE YOU'RE A HYPOCRIT.

Man it's unbelievable, again. Could youimagine how many times the news would have brought up Al Gore's geothermal energy friendly home ?

Hi Sp, I just heard the same

Hi Sp,

I just heard the same thing...

 ...and to think the media has known this since earlier 2000.... too funny. 

Bush is walking the walk, Gore is well...talkin' the talk.

I don't think it's fair for

I don't think it's fair for him, why do you people always remember about Al Gore hypocrisy? Let the man do his job, it's not easy to have such a mission. I try to keep up with new warnings and I just bought a new set of Whirlpool parts for a lower level of energy pollution. I am doing the best I can to participate actively to this campaign. Stop pointing on Al Gore, he is just trying to make a difference, so start focusing on what you can do, not on what he can't.

And that's just ONE of his

And that's just ONE of his homes...I think I've read he has at least one more. Not to mention all the air travel, limo services, entourage transportation, etc.

He really is nothing more than a hypocrite.

**Edit** Was curious about what my energy consumption is per month. Last month my household used 2437 kWh...and that was the highest I have had in the past 12 months. Since my meter was put in during the construction of my house in Feb 2003, I have used 51527 kWh or an average of 1073.5 kWh/month...so I'm a little above average for most American households...I still don't use nearly as much as he does, and I have two kids at home.

I really don't care how much energy Al Gore uses, just as long as he shuts the hell up about everyone else's energy use. He has absolutely no room to talk nor a shred of credibility until he becomes the model of energy efficiency and minimal energy use...and I'm not holding my breath for that to happen.

Gun Safety Tip #8: No matter how responsible he seems, never give your gun to a monkey. (www.imao.us)

What are the chances that GMA

What are the chances that GMA will cover this in the morning?

The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.

About as good as the chance

About as good as the chances of the NYT covering Iran's meddling in Iraq...but that's another thread...

Gun Safety Tip #8: No matter how responsible he seems, never give your gun to a monkey. (www.imao.us)

I suppose he would have the r

I suppose he would have the rest of us stop working in any smokestack industry, stop any new power plants from being built and put us all on bicycles... the socialist creedo is to enrich the few at the top of the pile at the expense of the great unwashed masses. 

That's all there is to it.

Liberalism is a convenient lie.

I suppose he would have the

I suppose he would have the rest of us stop working in any smokestack
industry, stop any new power plants from being built and put us all on
bicycles--
Andrew H

Of course he would; just don't expect HIM to change.. as one of the "priveleged few" he is exempt from sacrifice. Well, it would be interesting to see his reaction (a la Kennedy) if someone wanted to install a "wind farm" where it could be seen from his palatial mansion...

Hey, he could go "solar"....they would probably have to cover 10 square miles in solar panels just to supply his house.

Andrew, re: bicycles.  Not a

Andrew, re: bicycles.  Not an acceptable solution.  Bicycles are manufactured items.  The manufacturing process causes various types of pollution, including the emission of carbon dioxide.  We, the peasantry will have to start walking everywhere.  We will also have to start going naked, as items of apparell are either made of natural fibers, which require cultivation, which results in CO2 emissions, or they are made of synthetic fibers, which are made from petro-chemicals - evil Big Oil. (More pollution)  I suppose that we, the peasantry, will also have to revert to a hunter-gather existence.  Either that, or learn to photosynthesize.  On the other hand, Algore and his Church of Global Warming could STFU, and let us get on with our lives.

"A communist is someone who reads Marx.  An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx."  Ronald Reagan

MikeB...I'm not so sure. We h

MikeB...

I'm not so sure. We have a local coffee shop run by lefty hippies close to where I live. Outside their shop are two bicycles made completely out of Grape Vine.

The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.

Yes he does have a second hou

Yes he does have a second house, one 10k sq ft the other 4k sq ft.  Boy, I was apparently begin generous when I noted on previous threads that Al Gore used 7 to 10 times the average American based on square footage.  He uses 20 times just on one house????  Geeez Louise.  What an energy pig.  No wonder he has to go on all those speaking engagements, he's got to pay those huge electric bills. 

I now have to wonder how much water he uses on the landscaping.  What a hypocrit!  A classic case of "Projection" if there ever was one.

W has a model energy and water conservation home?  Talk about irony...

“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius

Al said last night when quest

Al said last night when questioned that he is "carbon neutral"...HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE......LOL!!!!!
What a crock of shit!!!!
He is a modern day Whimpie (see Popeye...lol) something about a cheeseburger and Tuesday...lol!!!

Al said last night when que

Al said last night when questioned that he is "carbon neutral"--nicksmith

C'mon, did he really say that with a straight face? How the heck do you offset 20,000 KWH of electricity a month? An entire state would have to stop exhaling to accomplish that! LOL!

Buying offsets

He claims to buy offsets. It's a total crock. Pollute all you want as long as you buy offsets. As pointed out in the article covered last week in here, the carbon-trading scheme is imploding, and you can now buy-off a metric ton of pollution for a couple of bucks. This man's getting more full of himself all the time...you can tell.

You're exactly right, ecnirP.

You're exactly right, ecnirP.  The rich families like the Gores are willing to pay a tax to use as much fossil-fueled energy as they please, as long as the rest of us a stuck with saving the world from Global Warming.  Private jets, giant homes, GHG-heavy automobiles ---- as long as you're 'carbon neutral,' it doesn't matter how much GHG one produces.

By the way, does anyone know how much one carbon credit costs these days?  I don't recall, but I remember reading last week either here on NB or elsewhere, that it's tied to supply (by the developing nations) and demand (of the First World nations), and since the Kyoto GHG limits were set higher than most countries produce today, there are so many carbon credits available that their purchase is relatively cheap. 

"I'd gladly pay you Tu

"I'd gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today"

...J. Wellington Wimpy

My lovely wife is watching E!

My lovely wife is watching E!News and of course, I must be in Abu Ghraib because I just watched Gore accept his Oscar on their recap.  He said "This isn't a political issue, its a moral issue." No, Al, the moral issue is how hypocritical you are. 

**************

Support the Spread of Open Society and Capitalism around the World.  Do it for the Children.

the leftist/liberal simpletons never learn

Are any of you legitimate Americans remotely surprised by this latest illustration of liberal hypocrisy?  How many of those pancaked faced "celebs" left the fawning charade (Academy Awards for the morons trying to understand the unmistakeable point herein) left in stretch limos, only to attended lavish parties, burning millions of kilowatts (not to mention equal amounts of calories and narcotics) in the process, but demanding their servants and others "beneath" them (that would be all you sniveling liberal/leftists groupies wandering around out there) hike or bike to work.

Or, perhaps in a momentary spate of reason, these elitists might allow you peasants to ride on the mass transit the middle class is forced to subsidize.

How many of those clapping and chortling at Algore's pathetic figure rode the LA mass transit to the party?

If you liberal idiots need me to answer that for you, don't be glum when you're handed what's left of your brain -- so you can see for yourself just what a waste of flesh it has been occupying that hollow space between your ears.

does anyone seriously questio

does anyone seriously question his commitment to "global warming"  ... if anything, it just seems like an effective way to gain attention and step further away from the sore loser image that has plagued him since his defeat in 2000. 

there are so many followers out there that will follow just about anyone with charismatic qualities ... regardless of how looney, extreme or "out there" they seem to be. 

"at some point people need to realize that there is more to being an american than just exercising his/her rights" - me 

Believe it or not, there are

Believe it or not, there are still a few libs in my city that refer to him as "their president."

-PJ

"I'm not a theologist. I'm not an archaeologist. I'm a documentary filmmaker." -James Cameron

Lost souls.

Lost souls.

there are so many followers

there are so many followers out there that will follow just about anyone with charismatic qualities..

A Gore? "charismatic qualities??? LMAO!

Algore

I know! I know!

He's using all of that power to make donuts in the basement... and he's eating most of them. Good thing Algore's on the TVA nuclear power grid.

Gordo

Melmac

Hmmm. So some fly-by-night ag

Hmmm. So some fly-by-night agency issues a press release and its accepted as gospel? You know why his bills are so high?

"Electric bills obtained by The Tennessean, however, showed that Gore is paying a premium on his bills to be part of the “green power” program. Gore purchased 108 blocks of “green power” for at least each of the last three months, according to a summary of bills from Nashville Electric Service. That’s a total of $432 a month spent to pay extra for solar or other renewable energy sources."

http://www.tennessea...

I'll never understand why ya'll are constantly so upset about some guy who's actually trying to make a positive difference in the world. Regardless of if you don't believe in global warming or not (no offence, but I'll take the advice of 99.9% of the world's scientists over you irrational ill-informed moutbreathers) but what's wrong with trying to conserve our use of fossil fuels? Fossil fuels are a FINITE resource AND the less we use them, the less we'll have to rely on insaniac arab sheiks who're using their profits to fuel hatred of America. But please continue living in the dark ages and go ahead hating Al Gore, hating the planet and helping the arab world hate America.

BWR

BWR,

What makes you think conservatives aren't in favor of energy conservation?

I quite imagine that my family of four uses far less energy than the average similar-sized unit in the nation probably including your own. We have all energy efficient appliances. I have a solar-powered pool. My wife takes public transportation to work. My office is three miles from my house.

Care to compare notes on this subject before you accuse me or anyone else here of supporting the Arabs and ignoring energy conservation without any evidence to support such allegations?

While you're considering your response, I further guarantee that my entire family uses significantly less energy than pompous Al or any of the Hollywoodans shedding tears of joy for him last evening at the Oscars.

Alas, I imagine that seems somewhat irrelevant to someone as holier-than-thou as you.    ns

And replacing our coal and

And replacing our coal and oil-fired power plants with nuclear energy will do more for the environment than everyone owning hybrid or electric cars.

Ironically, the Left is by and large, against nuclear power.

Gun Safety Tip #8: No matter how responsible he seems, never give your gun to a monkey. (www.imao.us)

Mean Gene

MG,

Of course. Yet, these holier-than-thou types were the same ones protesting nuclear powered facilities in the '70s and '80s. Just imagine how much less fossil fuel would be using today if the left never would have gone hysterical over Three Mile Island.

The hypocrisy is so absurd. Yet, these folks think they're the ones on the right side of this issue.  ns

I've written a couple paper

I've written a couple papers dealing with nuclear power. Off the top of my head here are some interesting things:

Three Mile Island was all hype. Studies have show that no radioactive materials escaped the plant, and there has been no affect on the environment or the surrounding population. Chernobyl was a different story, but even the predictions were more severe than reality has shown. People voluntarily live in the "exclusion zone" surrounding the Chernobyl plant without any health problems, and the environment is doing better than the experts expected. With over 12,000 years of accumulated reactor time we've had two accidents...one (Chernobyl) was a bona-fide disaster (directly killing 30 people), the other (Three Mile Island) a pretty bad scare where people took the correct actions and averted disaster. More people die in a week from the affects of coal-fired pollution than have died in over 40 years of nuclear power.

Another ironic fact is that while nuclear power plants have ZERO emissions, coal-fired plants (the U.S.A.'s biggest source of power) spew tons of uranium and thorium (both radioactive) in addition to other dangerous chemicals (many of them carcinogens) into the air we breathe every year.

People need to read Alex Gabbard and Bernard Cohen.

It is stupid for the U.S. to not convert to nuclear power as much as possible. Reactor design has come a long way. No human inputs are required to prevent accidents. Contemporary reactors shut themselves down if things go awry.

Gun Safety Tip #8: No matter how responsible he seems, never give your gun to a monkey. (www.imao.us)

I don't want to take this o

I don't want to take this off topic, but....if we decide to go nuclear power for the majority of our power, will we then stop fighting other countries for attempting the same thing? I'd hate to end up as hypocritical as Gore.

WhichWing, you and Max Cleland ought to get together...

WhichWing, you and Max Cleland ought to get together...

And play with hand grenades.

Just a thought.

ACA

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WhichWing,Do you REALLY belie

WhichWing,

Do you REALLY believe that countries like Iran solely want nuclear technology just so they can power their nation?  That they don't want it for nuclear weapons? 

Dutch

Do you REALLY believe that

Do you REALLY believe that we solely want nuclear technology just so we can power our nation? (here it comes, paint me liberal because I looked at the flip side of the coin)

Why not answer his question f

Why not answer his question first, then ask yours?

Hmmm, I smell something!

The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.

I will say that I agree tha

I will say that I agree that Iran most likely wants to use nuclear technology for more than just power. I don't know who else falls into the category "countries like Iran" so that's all I can say.

I've earned an answer from you now, correct?

Do you really believe we do

Do you really believe we don't?

Do you think the United States wants to bomb everyone into oblivion? Nuclear power does not HAVE to result in weapons-grade fissile material.

Iran is a different story. You don't set up gas centerfuge cascades on the scale that Iran has (and is continuing to do) to make reactor fuel.

Educate yourself on nuclear technology.

Gun Safety Tip #8: No matter how responsible he seems, never give your gun to a monkey. (www.imao.us)

Since you can look up at th

Since you can look up at the time of my last response, I'll assume I don't need to respond to this.

And don't be so quick to assume that someone isn't educated about a particular subject.

I had to assume because of

I had to assume because of the idiotic reasoning you used.

Gun Safety Tip #8: No matter how responsible he seems, never give your gun to a monkey. (www.imao.us)

Way to not answer the questio

Way to not answer the question.

To answer yours, we absolutely want nuclear technology for nuclear weapons.  But have we used a nuclear weapon against our enemies after having had the technology for decades?  No.  Has Iran vowed to destroy Israel and wipe it off the map.  Yes.  If you can't see the difference in our handling of the power we have versus the avowed promises of a regime out to destroy Israel and the West and see that as reason enough to not let them have the technology, I don't know what to tell you.

Oh, and your point is moot anyway.  There is no "flip side" of the coin.  The United States DOESN'T produce nuclear energy for powering our nation (like it should) so your faux argument doesn't have a leg to stand on.

Dutch

Oh, and your point is moot

Oh, and your point is moot anyway. There is no "flip side" of the
coin. The United States DOESN'T produce nuclear energy for powering
our nation (like it should) so your faux argument doesn't have a leg to
stand on.

I find that statement ironic. Considering the rampant use of the word 'hypocritical' in this thread, and that I ended my original statement with "I'd hate to end up as hypocritical as Gore."

WhichWing...dont blame us. We

WhichWing...dont blame us. We are all for nukes on every street, for lights, heat, air all of the electric needs. Thank your greenie neeines out there that we dont use nukes for power. Texas has a few, Nebraska has some, Arkansas and some others. The Al Gore types scream about alternative energy, and when it is avaliable, they scream that you cant do that cause it is nuclear.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

WhichWing...dont blame us. We

oops

One of the greatest threats t

One of the greatest threats to our security is the drawing of moral equivalence between the Islamic Theocracy governing  Iran and the representative republic that governs the United States conducted by amoral fools like yourself.   Our system of government is based on a supreme law embodied in the constitution of the Unted States of America.  Iran's system of government is based entirely on clerical interpretation of the Koran and Hadith.   This is akin to the US using the Bible as its foundational governing document.  You and others like you would not accept such a government, so why do you insist that we should treat exactly such a governmnet in a foreign country as moral equivalent to our republic?

Unfortunately, DutrchDutch took your bait.  I will do no such thing. 

Your analogy comparing the Nuclear programs of Iran and the United States is completely invalid in the first instance for these reasons: 

First, the US nuclear program owes its roots to WWII, when nuclear weapons and their long term effects were completely unknown and a desparate, worldwide struggle against anti-semitic fascism was underway.  The US nuclear program then fell into dormancy until it became clear that Soviet spies had stolen the secrets of their making and Stalin's brutal regime was feverishly building a nuclear weapons stockpile.  The ensuing cold war created a gobal stockpile of nuclear weapons that most of us wish did not exists.  Now we face another sruggle against another rabidly anti-semitic fascist regime, the Islamic Republic of Iran, which also harbors a world apocalyptic vision and is feversihly working to build nuclear weapons.

Second, the civilian and military nuclear programs of the United States are completely divorced from one another,  due to the nature of the technologies used.   All US military nuclear material originated in one of about 7 nuclear reactors operated by the United States government explicitly for this purpose.  Any generation of electricty by these plants is entirely incidental to their operation.  They are NOT light water moderated reactors which all of our commercial plants are.    The reactor being constructed by Iran in Arak is a heavy water reactor.  This isn't the sort of plant one uses for optimum electricity production.   The Russians have previously supplied Iran with a light water design suitable fo electricty production.  Conclusion:  Iran's statements that its program is aimed solely at domestic electricity production is a lie.

Here is the critical difference:  The United States has always conducted its nuclear weapons programs entirely in the open.  In fact, they have been too open, so open that under Bil Clinton's negligent management in the 1990's and Harry truman's negligent oversight of teh late 1940's, Chinese and Soviet spies respectively were able to steal the secrets held by these programs right out from under our noses.  Since the end of WWII, it has been stated US policy to prevent both the spread and actual use of such weapons.  Iran, on the other hand, is operating clandestine nuclear program while stating one of its national objectives as wiping Israel off the map.

It astound me that myopic liberals like yoursefl continue to equivocate with these hate ridden theocrats.

PLEASE STOP CALLING ME A LI

PLEASE STOP CALLING ME A LIBERAL. Thats my first request.

My second request is this...reread my posts. You seem to have put an awful lot of words into my mouth.

I read your posts.Your positi

I read your posts.

Your position defines you as a liberal on this issue.

The substance of your posts was the drawing of a moral equivalence with respect to nuclear progrms between the Islamic Theocracy of Iran and the Representative Republic of the United States of America.  Only liberals and other sorts of more extreme leftists and anti-Americans agree with such reasoning.  Liberal is a polite word for you.  You could be a socialist or an outright communist as well.  They all share your position.  Conservatives do not.  Therefore you are not a conservative.  Even moderates, such as Joseph Liebermann or John McCain, do not share this position. Therefore you are also not one of them.

This very loud squeal indicates to me that my post has skewered your argument.

I was thinking NL207

I was thinking NL207 fence sitter should complain to the UN,or have them rewrite some of their founding documents,which dealt with nuclear power plant sales and signing onto non-proliferration.

I suppose it's easy to claim the USA is the hypocrit, but then of course the entire whine about the Iraq war is moot. Is it what we say, or what the UN has dictated is international in the 193 nation consensus ?

Yeah, the giant consensus.

Do these complainers think the UN said Iran should go right ahead ? I guess so, and it's the USA who is saying "No! " ?

Just once I'd like to see one of these morons whine about Saudi Arabia's objections. But of course, they would never object,would they ...

lol- man it's hard to believe. There's not only BDS, but there's AmericaDS as well.

So disagreeing with someone

So disagreeing with someone on one topic then groups them into an entirely different ideology? My original post, which I requested you reread, and you insist that you did, made absolutely no mention of Iran, republics, or theocracies.

You seem to be in attack mode. Or is that the only mode you know? Can we not have a rational discussion? Or do we all have to agree on everything all the time? If that's the case, why bother posting at all? We could just start a petition instead. Just sign your name, and keep your opinion to yourself, right?

We could have a rational discussion if only you were rational.

We could have a rational discussion if only you were rational.

From what I've seen, you are neither rational nor accomodating to the site.

So, having a discussion of intellectual caliber with unarmed people is quite boring.  That's why you are having a hard time here.  You bring nothing but your natural talents to the arena.  That makes you unarmed among the posters here.  We'd like to see some cites; less use of code words; and more honesty in your appraoch.

When you start out the day spewing 4-5 posts all over the site all saying the same thing and then call that 'brilliant'.

Well...

It leaves one scratching their head.

ACA

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I get the impression that y

I get the impression that you would eat your own children if you thought it would serve your agenda.  I, on the other hand, am not willing to go that far.  If that means that I'm no longer a conservative, then so be it.

I haven't labeled you. You either are or not? I dunno.

I haven't labeled you.  You either are or not?  I dunno.

I said you were rude.  That's all.

ACA

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ACA...I am the one that calle

ACA...

I am the one that called him a liberal.

Somewhere I admitted that a couple of hours ago on one of these threads, so don't let him try and pin it on you. This is my fault, but I'm not apologizing.

The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.

Your first post is irrational

Your first post is irrational.  It wrongly asserts that American opposition to foreign nuclear programs includes or is based upon medical and utility usage of nuclear energy.  American policy explicitly opposes the proliferation of Nuclear weapons.  America has no position on the use of nuclear power except as such usage can be perverted into weapons production.   "will we then stiop fighting other countries for attempting the same thing"  This implies we are fightining [opposing] the use of nuclear power for electricity.

Your second post defined your position on the question of nuclear weapons proliferation:  We have them so why should not Iran have them?  i.e., is not opposing Iranian aquisition of nuclear weapons hypocrisy since America possesses such weapons?  Go back and reread that post for yourself.  "Do you REALLY believe ..."

No, you go back and read it

No, you go back and read it. EVERYONE, stop putting words in my mouth. Such as this gem: "We have them so why should not Iran have them." I said it before, and I'll say it again. I made no mention of IRAN.

i.e., is not opposing Iranian aquisition of nuclear weapons hypocrisy since America possesses such weapons?

I did not say that, but I will agree with it. Here we are talking about Gore being a hypocrite, yet you refuse to believe that our policy on nuclear weapons is hypocritical. Go ahead, explain to me, O Wise One, how our policy is not hypocritical. As far as I know, we are the only nation that has attacked another nation with a nuclear weapon. Now, I don't want to get into whether using those nuclear weapons was the best option, and in the end the most humane, because that arguement certainly CAN be made. You don't want Gore telling you not to use so much electricity when he himself is using an enormous amount. Just as SOME nations don't want the US telling them not to develop nuclear weapons while sitting on them themselves. Talk about double standards.

Please attempt to keep your hatred to a minumum.

"I will say that I agree

"I will say that I agree that Iran most likely wants to use nuclear technology for more than just power.  I don't know who else falls into the category "countries like Iran" so that's all I can say."

From a post by WhichWing Feb 27, 12:45 PM.

Now..... as you were saying, you did not mention Iran?

Scroll back a little farthe

Scroll back a little farther, that was in response to another post. My original post did not mention Iran. And as you can see from that quote, I conceded to the point.

A complete waste of time ....

A complete waste of time ....

Are you this intellectualy dishonest about everything you do?

This is absurd, or you are

This is absurd, or you are absurd. You are the one taking my comments and twisting them into something they aren't. I answered every post addressed to me, and as I just said, I conceded to the point about Iran. How is that dishonest???

which:

You don't have to get snippy.

No, you go back and read it

Doubled up.

WhichWing the Leftist

Okay.  I'll honor your request, Leftist.

Why aren't Leftists PROUD to be Leftists?

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

Actually, until leftists like

Actually, until leftists like yourself succeeded in shutting down the construction of nuclear plants some 30 years ago, the US was well on its way to having nuclear power supply a good chunk of its energy needs. New Jersey and South Carolina generate almost half of their energy needs via nuclear.

And even today, the ultra-liberal state of Vermont gets 72% of its energy from nuclear power, according to the Nuclear Energy Institute. 

But sadly, to the east, Public Service Company of New Hampshire was forced into bankruptcy by the ultra-left Clamshell Alliance in the 1970s. Before the loonies did their work, PSNH had been one of the most financially solid power companies for nearly a century.

The STNP

The United States does not use nuclear power for peaceful purposes?  The citizens of Bay City, TX, would be surprised to hear that, as would people in Houston, Austin, San Antonio, and other south TX cities and towns that benefit from the South Texas Nuclear Project. 

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

I was in 4th grade, living wi

I was in 4th grade, living within that 10 mile radius of TMI when the "meltdown" occurred. Of course, I had no idea what was really going on, but it was a wild day. Parents came into the classroom throughout the day yanking their kids out of class. We kids thought it was clever and funny after lunch to lie on the ground and play dead when the teacher returned. She thought it was not so much funny. Later that year, as a 5th grader I did a report on nuclear power for science class, obviously curious after the incident, and came away realizing that if its managed properly (like so many other things we have in life), it is an efficient, environmentally friendly energy source. But hype and hysteria killed it.

If Iran was a non-radical terror supporting state, I could support it's plan to explore nuclear power as an energy source. But it'd be naive to think that a leader hell-bent on wiping Israel and America off the map has limited his intentions to just this. We are correct in taking steps to keep this from happening.

*****

"Was it a millionaire who said 'Imagine no possessions?'" - Elvis Costello

cleaning coal exhaust

Mean Gene- Is there a practical way to scrub coal exhaust to the point that it is relatively clean?

JM

Carpareus - yes, they scrub coal exhaust all over the place.

Carpareus - yes, they scrub coal exhaust all over the place.

What comes out of the stacks is cleaner than the original atmosphere.

ACA

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burning coal is FUN!

Including the "tons of uranium and thorium (both radioactive) in addition to other dangerous chemicals (many of them carcinogens) into the air we breathe every year" (thanks Mean Gene)? I ask because I thought that the scrubbing technology existed, although from personal experience I know how dirty (but fun 8D) burning coal can be. It took hardly anytime at all by burning coal in my heavy duty woodstove to disolve the rebar inside (that was used to "hold" wood) back in '97 in Hoodsport, WA.

"Those Whoe Know History are Doomed to Repeat it" Henry Kaiser

Read Alex Gabbard's article

Read Alex Gabbard's article on coal combustion.

A good resource on nuclear energy is Bernard Cohen's book full text here.

Gun Safety Tip #8: No matter how responsible he seems, never give your gun to a monkey. (www.imao.us)

The majority of the "f

The majority of the "fly ash" is collected in scrubbers and never gets into the air. It makes burning coal much cleaner than without scrubbers. However, the fly ash has to be stored somewhere, usually it is in piles. I'm not certain if there is anything the fly ash can be processed into. I know that a big make-up of fly ash is glass, but other than that, I'm not sure if there is any other commercial benefits to processing fly ash. There could possibly be several products derived from fly ash, but is it economically feasable? Scrubbers are expensive, and anything that comes out in the future that does a better job than modern scrubbers will be even more expensive.

A single coal plant can produce hundreds of tons of waste each year, where as modern nuclear reactors produce somewhere around a cubic meter of waste in a year. We have Yucca Mountain in Nevada which has been proven to be suitable for long term storage of nuclear waste...ironically France which has around 80% of their power provided by nuclear power has no long-term storage for their nuclear waste.

Gun Safety Tip #8: No matter how responsible he seems, never give your gun to a monkey. (www.imao.us)

Yucca mountain track record

Has Yucca mountain been in operation long enough to truly be known to be safe? Otherwise with proper reactor design as well as security concerns (on site, spent fuel transfer, etc.) I have no problem with nuclear.

"Those Who Know History are Doomed to Repeat It" Henry Kaiser

Carpareus...The proof is in t

Carpareus...

The proof is in the geology of the rock in the mountain and the surrounding area. They look at how stable the rock is itself, and how stable the area is in case of earthquakes. Yucca is very, very stable.

The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.

"Those Who Know History are Doomed to Repeat It"

Please re- read the post to which you are reponding.

"Those Who Know History are Doomed to Repeat It" Henry Kaiser

Yucca would only store spent

Yucca would only store spent fuel, so security would be fairly straightforward.

Does that help?

The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.

The only 100% safe storage ar

The only 100% safe storage area I can conceive of would be on or within the Sun. Transportation might prove to be an interesting challenge.

"Those Who Know History are Doomed to Repeat It" Henry Kaiser

P.S. Just heard that a space shuttle was damaged and may not launch on schedule in (was it) March?

Carp...You know damn well tha

Carp...

You know damn well that there is nothing on earth 100% safe, and shipping to the sun is out of the equation. The safety history of Nuke plants in the USA are excellent.

The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.

I believe I said that. "Th

I believe I said that.

"Those Who Know History are Doomed to Repeat It" Henry Kaiser

P.S. This PC is within a hair's breath of being totally FUBAR so I'm about out of here to go look at Macs.

Don't buy a Mac!!! Gun Saf

Don't buy a Mac!!!

Gun Safety Tip #8: No matter how responsible he seems, never give your gun to a monkey. (www.imao.us)

Why not buy a Mac?

Why not buy a Mac?

More bang for the buck with

More bang for the buck with a PC and you won't have to re-learn how to operate your computer.

But, the real reason is you'll start being more and more liberal. ;-)

Gun Safety Tip #8: No matter how responsible he seems, never give your gun to a monkey. (www.imao.us)

I beg to differ. Macs are wa

I beg to differ. Macs are way more user friendly and I DAMN sure ain't no stinkin' liberal!!

User friendly doesn't equat

User friendly doesn't equate with bang-for-the-buck.

Anywhooooo....we are veering off topic.

I'll gladly debate the virtues of the PC over a Mac all day, but only in an appropriate venue (thread).

Gun Safety Tip #8: No matter how responsible he seems, never give your gun to a monkey. (www.imao.us)

derailing the thread

Whoops- wasn't my purpose or desire to derail the thread- my apologies- later.

Fine. You keep your PC and I

Fine. You keep your PC and I'll gladly stay with my MAC anyday. I promise NOT to veer left!!

I disagree with bang versus b

I disagree with bang versus buck analysis and Macs are what I re- began with in '96 after a near thirty year absence from back when we wrote line code only. Its either a Mac or Linux as I weary of all the security crappe that WIN requires, and before you say it, Bill is entitled to make all the $ he can

Maybe some- not me 8>D.

If you're good at programmi

If you're good at programming and the command-line, go LINUX!!

Gun Safety Tip #8: No matter how responsible he seems, never give your gun to a monkey. (www.imao.us)

It will probably be one of th

It will probably be one of the end results of several of this afternoon's projects much as I think I might like the new Mac.

FYI I'm above average at programming- it's my typing that sucks. On my very best day ever I hit 30 wpm for the test for the radio room at RCA Alascom (still had the U.S. Gov't Air Force pens in stock after the long lines system buyout when I started in 1971 Gene). Never did end up in the radio room though unfortunately. And with that I REALLY AM OUTA HERE for several hours; c'yah'll.

JM

I'm using a Mac right now and

I'm using a Mac right now and wouldn't have anything other than!!! They ain't cheap though.

...more venison and wild boar.

Here here! I'm sorta thinking about a used G3 however I like the looks of the new 4s at C***co. Seriously yah'll, thanks and I'm outa here for several hours. Also need to pick up some more venison and wild boar- yum yum!

JM

I do my stuff here

Here I a yam doing my stuff;

This is my Mac Mini operating like a charm, a terrific little package about the same size as the Douay-Rheims Bible right there next to it. My wife got this for me last year.

I've hooked it up to a HANNS-G 19 in. flatscreen, and an older set of powered speakers by Altec Lansing. Va-voom; this AM was playing the Shostakovich 7th symphomy on the built-in CD-DVD player.

Have youz folks ever heard Shosty's Leningrad Symphony? Very powerful work. Ironically this CD is by the New York Phil conducted by Kurt Mazur; a German who likely was about 5 years old when the Nazis attacked Leningrad (where Shostakovich lived and wrote this.) In between pages Shostakovich worked in a fire-fighting team putting out fires which Nazi bombardiers were inflicting on the Russians. Say what we like about the Soviets. But they were unflappable and brave at Leningrad. And Dmitri Shostakovich the #1 symphonist of the 20th century, IMHO.

H Kaiser

That's a great album!! Especially the Andy Griffith Show Theme w/ vocals.

You can still order the CD from SST.

Henry Kaiser

Absolutely. Is it true that he's related to the Kaiser family?

Carp, Interesting. I've never

Carp,

Interesting. I've never heard that. His Allmusic bio doesn't say anything about it.

Unless I'm wrong (that kinda

Unless I'm wrong (that kinda goes without saying, eh?) I saw a blurb somewhere about his connection to them. And with that I'm outa here for a few hours especially as my alarm is sounding telling that it's time to go.

I don't have time now to sp

I don't have time now to spell it all out for you. Do some reading...that's how I learned. Search the internet, but remember to take everything with a grain of salt. There are a lot of organizations that are so against nuclear power they will use whatever tactics they can to scare everyone from using it.

Look at France's nuclear program too.

Gun Safety Tip #8: No matter how responsible he seems, never give your gun to a monkey. (www.imao.us)

Wotaba's attorney breaks down?

10-4...I'll read more. And I need to be out of here in about 15 or so.

Did you hear Wotaba's attorney practically break down and cry yesterday as he addressed his client's being charged again?

JM

"Those Who Know History are Doomed to Repeat It" Henry Kaiser

Carpareus, According to wiki

Carpareus,

According to wiki he is the Grandson of Henry J. Kaiser

His bio is really interesting.

henrykaiser.net

I've been a HUGE proponent of

I've been a HUGE proponent of nuclear energy for years.  It truly is the only electrical generation method that makes sense to me.  I used to live near San Onofre Nuclear Power Facility in SoCal.

I recently saw on the Discovery Channel (I think) about a process to take spent nuclear fuel and "bake" it with sand or an equivalent material in a container.  This process makes the nuclear waste less volatile and impossible to retrieve, since it is now permanently fused in the glass residue.  The whole process looked quite fascinating and certainly would help solve the sticky issue of nuclear power plant waste.

I like the idea of reprocessi

I like the idea of reprocessing the waste products as France does as well.  Reprocess the material until it is entirely used up, and then use the baking process you describe for the rest.  Did you know that the United States (Yucca Mountain) and Finland (an island off the southern coast) are the only two countries with sites selected for the permanent disposal of nuclear waste?

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

Not only is the Left against

Not only is the Left against nuclear power; they're against hydro-electric power, because dams can inhibit the breeding and spawning of fish.  The Greens even kept nuclear and hydro-electric power out of the Kyoto formula for carbon-neutralization.

And fearing the US would undertake a reforestation program to offset GHC-production (Photosynthesis consumes CO2 and produces oxygen), thus averting the whole transer-of-ealth scheme at Kyoto's roots, the Kyoto authors banned trees as carbon-neutral offsets, too.  Go figger.

But it's curious that France --- where 80% of the nation's electricity is produced by her nuclear plants --- is never held up by the Left as a pariah.

You're right about France. An

You're right about France. And interestingly enough, according to the Nuclear Energy Institute, the ultra-left US state of Vermont gets most of their power from a nuclear plant.

But there is one possible light at the end of the tunnel: a co-founder of Greenpeace last year actually came out and endorsed nuclear power!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/14/AR2006041401209.html

Noel Sheppard - In addition t

Noel Sheppard - In addition to their home, the Gores own a small farm in Carthage, TN.   How many kilowatt-hrs does a small farm use? 

Modern farms use a great deal

Modern farms use a great deal of electricity, especially if they are being actively worked in animal husbandry.  I doubt Gore is breeding any dairy cattle or food animals and you can be sure that as a card-carrying liberal, he isn't breeding any fur animals either, but I would not be surprised to learn that Gore is keeping riding horses.  Stables can also consume a lot of power.  This link gives a clue of what farm electricity usage is like.

I didn't consider irrigated cash copping becuse this isn't common in Carthage, Tennessee.  Irrigation is an outrageous consumer of electricity for pumping water.

Ouch. Ding gets smacked on th

Ouch. Ding gets smacked on the nose twice in a row.

LOL! ding abviously got his i

LOL! ding abviously got his info about Al's Carthage place right off a Gore website, which also uses the phrase "small farm" to describe an estate that looks like it would be right at home in Bluegrass Country in Kentucky.

Here's a link to a picture of Al's "small farm"

http://www.tn52.com/AGHouse.JPG

Note the immaculately mowed horse pastures on either side of the long driveway.

I don't see any windmills o

I don't see any windmills or solar panels in the picture. What's up with that Mr. Gore?

Gun Safety Tip #8: No matter how responsible he seems, never give your gun to a monkey. (www.imao.us)

The history of Al's Carthage

The history of Al's Carthage "farm" is rich, too. He bought it from Occidental Petroleum's Armand Hammer in the 1970s. The land had rich zinc deposits, the mineral rights for which Gore leased back to Occidental.

Like Mean Gene said, no solar

Like Mean Gene said, no solar panels, no windmills, and it doesn't look like the pastures on each side of the driveway are being grazed (no manure in sight) or mowed with horse-drawn implements.

"A communist is someone who reads Marx.  An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx."  Ronald Reagan

"no offence, but I'll take th

"no offence, but I'll take the advice of 99.9% of the world's scientists". Care to back that up with some facts? LMAO!! I guess that tidbit is compliments of another "fly-by-night" agency. The point you seem to completely miss is that Al Whore rants about saving the planet and all that WE can do to save it and here his ass is wasting power hand over foot. It's total hypocrisy! Do as I say, not as I do. I DON'T see Algore conserving a single thing. He's going in the opposite direction. I'm sure "we" is used to include Al Whore in the occasion too, huh?......not in his lifetime. Go ahead a jump off the cliff with all of your other mymidons.

"Fossil fuels are a FI

"Fossil fuels are a FINITE resource"

Oh really? So, over the course of billions of years, all the fossil fuels have been produced by the earth, and the earth then just stopped making them?

Ever hear of Thermal Depolymerization? No? Well, it is a process similar to what the earth does naturally...only it is man-made and doesn't take nearly as long.

Don't ever believe for a moment that fossil fuels are a finite resource.

Remember that years ago 100% of the brightest minds in the world believed the earth was flat. Guess what? After further research and experimentation, they found out they were wrong...not just slightly wrong--completely wrong.

We are upset at Al Gore because of his hypocrisy. Yeah, he can buy his "carbon credits" or whatever he does to "offset" his energy use, but the fact is he still uses way more energy than the average person. The fact is that if everyone followed his example, we would all increase our energy usage and have a load of useless (and worthless) "carbon credits." Al Gore, flat out is not trying to conserve energy. If he was he would travel less and live in more humble accomodations. Until he lives up to the standards he is trying to push on the rest of the world, he can just keep his hot air to himself.

I really don't care how much energy he uses, just so long as he leaves the rest of us alone about how much we use.

Gun Safety Tip #8: No matter how responsible he seems, never give your gun to a monkey. (www.imao.us)

No, I've never heard of this

No, I've never heard of this Thermal Depolymerization process, but after reading up on it, it sounds like a darn good idea. You better watch out though. Progressive ideas like that to get us off the teet of big oil might upset the EXXON and be labeled as being liberal. I really think that this in addition to many other alternative energy ideas are all part of the big picture we should be looking at. Also I think everyone is missing the point of this story with respect to two things. He's not using 20x the energy of the average American. Yes he has a big house, but he's actually paying a higher rate (yes EXTRA) for his electricity so that it can supplied via renewable energy sources (wind most likely), because unfortunately at the current time, it is more expensive to produce this way due to the lack of wind generators in the US.

Thermal Depolymerization is

Thermal Depolymerization (TDP) is a good idea. However, it is too expensive and it will never compare to the earth's natural ability to produce fuel on the same scale. It is also a young technology. Face the facts: The earth does a great job producing fuel...it is cheap and it works. Plus, you'd have to either have the equipment to refine the products from TDP into usable commodities (gasoline, heating oil, etc.) or pay someone else to do it. Exxon already does a great job doing this for us at a relatively inexpensive price.

Wind and solar are nice for individual households to supplement (or even to provide all) electricity used in a home but, for providing power for the power grid, it is just too expensive, inefficient, and unreliable (no wind? no sun?). Even for a single household, wind and solar have very high initial costs, and wind has rather expensive maintenance costs, at the same time solar requires constant cleaning (which costs the owner either time or money or both depending on whether they clean it themselves or pay someone else).

The biggest thing we can do to "save the environment" is to switch from coal and oil-fired power plants to nuclear power (see my other posts in this thread).

In the end it should all boil down to economics (which BTW, isn't just concerning money). If it was affordable I would have a TDP contraption to take care of my garbage, I would have a windmill or two (depending on my acreage) and I would have a solar array. I would love to be self-sufficient for my energy needs. Unfortunately, it is less expensive for me to be plugged into the residential power grid and to fill up my car at a gas station. The likes of Al Gore has pushed the political-environmental crap for too long...if they teach the facts and quit trying to demonize "big oil" and realize that the oil companies are not suppressing other technologies, maybe we could get some people thinking straight and make the wise decision to go nuclear.

Gun Safety Tip #8: No matter how responsible he seems, never give your gun to a monkey. (www.imao.us)

"Also I think everyone i

"Also I think everyone is missing the point of this story with respect to two things. He's not using 20x the energy of the average American."

Yes, he IS using "20x the energy of the average American." The comparison is in kilowatt hours, not dollars and cents. Kilowatt hours is how electrical usage is measured. Don't take my word for it, look at your own electric bill.

The point you're missing is the total hypocrisy of his public pronouncements versus his personal actions. He can pay "extra" and buy all the "carbon credits" he wants. He's still playing the "do as I say, not as I do" game.

I understand where you're c

I understand where you're comming from, but for me I see the debate a little differently. Do we pollute, and do we need to work on that issue? Sure no arguement what so ever - man is the most destructive animal on the planet, we need to clean up our planet and keep it in shape, it's the only planet we got.

Is man globally heating the planet because we have these scientist (where's my next grant coming from?) that say so? That's a litltle harder for me to grasp, but a degree over a hundred years seems to me to be pretty damn constant if you ask me - hell tell you what, you keep my house a constant temp for a 100 years (less or minus a degree) I dont think I'm gonna freak.

From what most of the posters have written, it's about the hypocracy:

"Gore is paying a premium on his bills to be part of the “green power”
program. Gore purchased 108 blocks of “green power” for at least each
of the last three months"

Well uhm duh? If you're the "president" of global warming, you better damn be putting some money where your mouth is. And it was only for three months?  Hasnt his movie been out for much longer then that?  Hell screw the green power program, where are your damn windmills, and solar panels dammit, DO what you're preaching, you know LEAD by example. Not do as I say not as I do. 

The limo's, the private planes, etc, etc.. do nothing more then fan the flames for the skeptics.


You are factuallly incorrect.

You are factually incorrect.

99.9% of the world's scientists do not accept Anthropogenic Global Warming as fact, so you cannot 'take' them.

A more reasonable explanation as to why Al Gore's home(s) might be using 20 times as much energy as the average househould is that his principal residence is 10,000 square feet.  He also has two secondary residences.    I don't know how large YOUR princpal residence is, but Gore's is many times larger than MY principal residence!

If that fat ass child of privilege wasn't living so large, he might be using less resources.  And you want to praise him for trying to 'make a difference' by buying 'green power units' and greater than market rates?    If he realy wants to make a difference, he should try flying commercial like the rest of us oinstad of making silly ass symbolic gestures that actually distort the energy markets..  Can't you recognize rank hypocrisyn when you see it?

NL

NL,

Obviously not. :-)   ns

...and then move his family i

...and then move his family into a nice, cozy 2,000 square foot Cape Cod-style home. For most American empty nester couples, that's more space than is necessary. He could even get a roaring fire going in the fireplace from time to time (instead of just using the Yule Log video) and still impact the environment less than his current energy guzzling abode does, green credits or not.

*****

"Was it a millionaire who said 'Imagine no possessions?'" - Elvis Costello

Al Gore's kids are long gone,

Al Gore's kids are long gone, so it's just him and Tripper in an "empty nest". Who the heck needs a 10,000 square foot empty nest? That's 5 times the size of the typical home. One word explanation: EGO. 

They are obsessed with Al Gor

They are obsessed with Al Gore. They can't figure out how a guy that was cheated out of an election can still get so many democrats, independants, and moderate republicans to like and adore him! They say they don't care about Al Gore, but just LOOK at all the columns at this website just today about Al Gore. Obsession. Let's talk about Al Gore!! Let's NOT talk about the Walter Reed scandal!!!

"They are obsessed wit

"They are obsessed with Al Gore. They can't figure out how a guy that was cheated out of an election "

Ahhh, yes, it's that damn supreme court. How dare they not create new law to put Gore into power. Those evil, law-abiding, Constitution-reading justices will get you every time.

"can still get so many democrats, independants, and moderate republicans to like and adore him!"

On the contrary, we know all too well how it happens. Some people will buy into anything. It's why his global warming crusade bothers us so much.


Reminder: Don't forget to pay your taxes. 12 million illegal immigrants are counting on you.

Fair enough. I will admit th

Fair enough. I will admit that the Supreme Court made the right decision in regards to Al Gore and George Bush if YOU will admit they made the right decision on Roe v. Wade :-) Cool?

Not really. Even many suppo

Not really.

Even many supporters of abortion, who also happen to be legal scholars, admit that the SCOTUS decision on Roe v Wade was made up out of thin air, and is constitutionally unsupportable.

And will eventually be overturned as such, possibly by the court as presently constituted

Nice illogic on your part though.

A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.

Sir Winston Churchill

Good attempt. But wrong on yo

Good attempt. But wrong on your part. First, Roe v. Wade will never be overturned. Even with Roberts in the court now, not going to happen. Second, it's funny how an extreme "conservative" will point to the court when it serves their interest; however, when it doesn't, the conservative will cry "activist judges!!"

Gimme a break. And who knows in this wonderful country of ours. In 30 years, congress might even pursuade the court to admit its error in choosing G.W. Bush. We know they already "feel" that way. Maybe they will make it official!

Abortion overturned....ha

MostlyModerate - Good Gosh, Man - Get A Grip.

MostlyModerate - Good Gosh, Man - Get A Grip.

2000 was 7 years ago.  Gore lost.  Heh Heh Heh.

ACA

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Shhh! You don't want him to

Shhh! You don't want him to stop. This is the funny part! (See his moniker for why!) And for the record, I doubt either decision will be explicitly overturned, but Gore's case won't even be reviewed by the court, despite endless review on the 'net by those one might term, er...mostlyleft! ;) Sadly, if the court modifies Roe, recent history suggests that they're likely to impose yet-another "one size fits all" big government hyperpolitical "solution" in place of the one they imposed before, because they don't tend to pay any attention to the 9th & 10th amendments anymore. IMO.
JMR

mostlyLeftistbuttooashamedtoadmitheisLeftist

And what makes you think, mostlyLeftist (but too ashamed of his own philosophy to admit it) that it won't be overturned?  Even the concept of stare decisis has its limits.

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

Are you just playing dumb?

Are you just playing dumb? Or are you really incapable of absorbing what I wrote very clearly.

I never said "abortion" would be banned or overturned. That depends upon each individual State to enact it's own laws. Clearly Massachusetts would become the abortion capital of the US. Are you following me so far?

I'll repeat it for you...it is quite possible (not "probable") that Federal law as epitomized by the case Roe v Wade will be overturned by the Supreme Court. And you cannot see into the future, no matter how much you seem to think you can.

If you don't believe me, try checking on NARAL. They're pretty convinced of the possibility.

The fact that you cannot even wrap your tiny mind around that possibility shows me that you have a closed mind incapable of absorbing information that conflicts with your prejudices.

The fact you don't even seem to know that some of the leading legal scholars who are "liberals" and not "conservatives" are convinced that Roe v Wade is bad law that is eventually unsustainable. You wishing that fact away doesn't make it so.

A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.

Sir Winston Churchill

Riddle me this Jack Bauer...

Riddle me this Jack Bauer...

If a leftist nut opens his mind, does anything fall out?

ACA

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Last time that happened I w

Last time that happened I was watching: a cuckoo clock, three bats and a subscription to Marxist Daily tumbled out.

And just for the record:

Chances of SCOTUS revisiting Gore v Bush 2000? ABSOLUTE ZERO.

Chances of SCOTUS revisiting Roe v Wade? Eminently possible.

A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.

Sir Winston Churchill

TotallyImmoderate, the whole

TotallyImmoderate, the whole Florida fiasco would have been rendered moot if Al Whore had carried his own home state.

"A communist is someone who reads Marx.  An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx."  Ronald Reagan

Mike

Mike,

It is further made moot by the fact that no media outlet was able to determine that a recount of votes would have given Florida to Gore. This is a fact that all these people who still whine about SCOTUS giving Bush the presidency completely and disingenuously ignore. 

Hey! I'm a poet, and I don't even know it!  :-)   ns

Noel, you and I both know tha

Noel, you and I both know that Florida is populated by senile old coots from the north, and in every case, when they cast a vote for Bush, they really meant to cast a vote for Gore.  Therefore, Gore won Florida by a landslide, and it took the SCOTUS to rip this victory away from the Lord and Savior of the World and his Church of Man-made Global Climate Change.

"A communist is someone who reads Marx.  An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx."  Ronald Reagan

Yeah, tell us again how Gore

Yeah, tell us again how Gore was "cheated" out of that 2000 election by 7 out of 9 Supreme Court Justices.

insaniac arab sheiks

insaniac (sic) arab sheiks

Talking about insaniacs. Did the voices in your head tell you to write that unadulterated shite.

99.99% of the world's conservatives think you are a typical illeducated lib***l. So I guess that makes it true.

And before you give us your illeducated crap-trap about science, I'd love to hear your thoughts on the true scientific method of refutation and falsification, as expounded by Sir Karl Popper. One of the twentieth century's leading scientific philosphers.

A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.

Sir Winston Churchill

Better late than never BushWasRight

Better late than never BushWasRight.

"But please continue living in the dark ages and go ahead hating Al Gore, hating the planet and helping the arab world hate America."

This is what it really is all about itsn't it?  In your brain?  America is causing the Arab world to 'hate' it.  Conservatives 'hate' the planet.  Conservatives hate Al Gore.

It has nothing to do with energy in your mind or the scientific realities of Global Warming or Climate Change - I wish someone would please tell me why they started calling it that.

You are funny.  "...99.9% of the world's scientists over you irrational ill-informed moutbreathers)"

Now, I make a lot of typing mistakes in my posts and actually can't spell for crap.  But even giving you a million feet of lattitude here; I can't for the life of me figure out what you mean when you call me a 'moutbreathers'.  And I've been called a lot of things by the best of them.

But since you are insistent that I hate the planet I have to disagree.

Instead of hating the planet I actually like the planet and even more disgusting I like people.  I think people are a natural species on the planet and I think that people should use energy responsibly and work to prevent pollution.  I also think the United States has the best track record in cleaning up its messes than any other country on the planet.

But, the Arabs hate the United States, not for its pollution.  They hate the United States because we don't live in mud huts with zero running water; zero solid waste disposal infrastructure; zero sewage infrastructure; zero interstate highways; zero heating and cooling; zero transportation infrastructure; zero technological infrastructure and zero standard of living including enough food to eat.

They are also a little miffed that we let our women go to school; leave the house unattended; wear skimpy or silly clothes; put paint on their faces and in some cases, actually work and boss men in their jobs.

Plus we don't have a theocratic state that cuts peoples hands and heads off for inane crimes dictated by some religous writing by some nut that we argue over his 'legacy' like the Sunnis and the Shiites.

Hell of a thing, freedom.  Wouldn't you agree.

You are past boring to me BushWasRight.  You are a Space Cadet.

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"This is what it really is al

"This is what it really is all about itsn't it? In your brain? America is causing the Arab world to 'hate' it." Wrong dipstick. I was making the point that our reliance on foreign oil means we are paying billions of dollars to arab countries that in turn spend it on funding radical islamic nuts (either directly or indirectly through extremist schools). I guess I should know better than to make a point that actually requires reading comprehension, but I’ll know better for next time and try to use emoticons and “LOL’s” so that slow people with limited intelligence like you can understand.

Oh, dipstick, huh blarson. Dipstick? You called me a dipstick

Oh, dipstick, huh blarson.  Dipstick?  You called me a dipstick.

Forgive me if I have trouble with understanding the depth of such a profound argument.  Let's see you accused me of living in a 'Dark Ages'.  Did you not?

So, if you don't mind (I do appreciate your reverence for the Internal Combustion Engine - dipstick) I'll try to break this down for ya.

Your counter argument to my pointing out your obviously ill-conceived concept of the number of scientists in agreement with our heroic twit, Al Gore as 99.9 percent was that I am a dipstick.

Your counter argument to my saying that you think America is responsible to Arabs hating us is that we continue to buy oil from them; is that I am a dipstick.

Your counter argument to my annoyance at being labled as living in the Dark Ages was to call me a dipstick.

Your counter argument to my objection to you saying I hate the planet was to call me a dipstick.

Did I get all this nuance correct?

HAHAHAHAHAHA

You keep on posting there blarson.  You'll figure out how to make a logical connection some day between a statement and fact without...

running around calling people dipsticks.

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I was making the point that o

I was making the point that our reliance on foreign oil...

And just WHO is responsible for OUR dependence on foreign oil?  C'mon..., you can say it...be HONEST now...

our reliance on foreign oil means we are paying billions of dollars to arab countries that in turn spend it on funding radical islamic nuts (either directly or indirectly through extremist schools).

Whoa!  Those who ARE responsible for our dependence on foreign oil have created quite the mess now, haven't they?

You seem to think the fact

You seem to think the fact that Gore anticipated this scandal & purchased 108 blocks of expensive "green power" is a good thing. If a conservative hypocrite of any sort were to try buying some lame anticipatory response to a foreseeable scandal, would you feel the same way? Somehow, I doubt it...
JMR

This "carbon offset&qu

This "carbon offset" baloney is just the left's version of their false accusation against fundamentalist Christians: that we can just ask for forgiveness and can continue to go on sinning as much as we want. The leftists can just claim to be using some method that allegedly makes them "carbon neutral" and they can go on polluting as much as they want. They can even increase the amount of pollution they produce. No need for actual, meaningful behavior modification.

Out here, (Southern Idaho),

Out here, (Southern Idaho), the libs are bitching about nuclear power and the wind turbines chopping up birds....sheesh

I always wanted to get into politics, but I was never light enough to
make team

owlpellets - I don't see how anyone can live in Idaho anymore.

owlpellets - I don't see how anyone can live in Idaho anymore.

When I was growing up we used to get 'City Slickers' on our ranch every year during hunting season.  It was a big ranch, 10,000 acres.  We had cattle and some other livestock.

In spite of thousands of posters all over the place declaring that it was 'private' property, 'no hunting or fishing (without permission), and that it was a 'private reserve' (and had been since 1950); these idiots would open a gate, drive across the fields and start shooting at just about anything that moved.

From about 1960 forward we have had to hire two full time people to drive around the section lines 24/7 (campers) to run them off.

Talk about a waste of energy.  And their main comment was, "But its open prairie, it looks like a park."  And, "You people have too much land."  Since then the ranch has doubled in size; I think we are hiring 3 people now.

I can just imagine what it is like in Idaho.

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"but what's wrong with

"but what's wrong with trying to conserve our use of fossil fuels? Fossil fuels are a FINITE resource "

Oil IS a finite resource. So finite in fact, it was supposed to run out completely about 15 years ago, lol. I think this was about the same time the new ice age was supposed to begin. It was also about this time that the world would be out of room because of all the people.

Naaa, can't see why ANYONE would disagree with the gloom and doom predictions made by scientists when you consider they've been so accurate in the past, lol.


Reminder: Don't forget to pay your taxes. 12 million illegal immigrants are counting on you.

Its All An Act

Another rich Democrat who tries to make us live lower while living high off the hog.  In the Soviet Union everyone was equal, but some were more equal than others.

Capitalists are no more capable of self-sacrifice than a man is capable of lifting himself up by his own bootstraps.
Vladimir Lenin

AL GORE -- Carbon neutral

AL GORE -- Carbon neutral. Moron positive.

A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.

Sir Winston Churchill

gorehog IS a walking Global

gorehog IS a walking Global Warming Event......What a phony this asshead is...how can he actually walk around like a bloated robot bleating about 'global warming', when he is fricking burning the world down? I mean Jesus Christ, what is he doing on his sprawling estate to burn so much power.....

I bet he and Tipper get hammered, crank on the Twisted Sister, throw off the clothes, and dance naked while shining 50, 1000 watt halides into the night sky.....Someone shoot this fatass moron with a blow dart before he hurts someone....

politicalwarzone.blogspot

Can you say hit job?I know

Can you say hit job?

I know facts aren't important to you guys when you're swift boating the "liberal enemy", but you might want to consider the fact that the source of the "press release" is not a legitimate organization. Or, the fact that despite claiming to be "non-partisan", they're part of the State Policy Network, who describes themselves as the following.

"SPN is a national network of state-based right-wing organizations in 37 states as well as prominent nationwide
right-wing organizations. Through its network SPN advances the public policy ideas of the expansive right-wing political movement on the
state and local level."

Dept. of Revenue says conservative think tank ‘not a legitimate group’

By John Rodgers, jrodgers@nashvillecitypaper.com
February 16, 2007

The
state’s Department of Revenue is refusing to respond to inquiries from
a conservative watchdog organization over a controversial tax, labeling
them “not a legitimate group.”

The Tennessee Center for Policy
Research (TCPR), who bills themselves as an “independent, nonprofit and
nonpartisan research and educational institute,” made the inquiries to
different employees of the Department of Revenue in early January
regarding the unauthorized substances tax’s budget.

A City Paper
public records request revealed inner-department e-mails about the
decision not to respond to the Tennessee Center for Policy Research or
its executive director, Drew Johnson.

The conservative
watchdog group has been very critical of the unauthorized substances
tax, or the “crack tax,” which requires drug dealers to buy stamps from
the state showing that they have paid taxes on the illicit drugs.

Another pointless post from

Another pointless post from an illeducated lib***l.

It appears you're not a "legitimate" source on Newsbusters.

A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.

Sir Winston Churchill

Geez SomerTeeth, why do you do this silly stuff. Hypocrisy

Geez SomerTeeth, why do you do this silly stuff.  Hypocrisy at its best I suppose.

I scrounged their self-descriptions for all of your words here:

SomerTeeth:  "they're part of the State Policy Network, who describes themselves as the following.

"SPN is a national network of state-based right-wing organizations in 37 states as well as prominent nationwide right-wing organizations. Through its network SPN advances the public policy ideas of the expansive right-wing political movement on the state and local level."

Of course this is a cut and paste with absolutely no attribution.  I have come to understand that you cannot possibly bring yourself to cite the sources for your crap.   So what you have done here is ...

Hypocrisy.

Actually, this is how both organizations describe themselves.

"State Policy Network is the professional service organization for America’s state-based, free market think tank community. Our work advances a free society by providing leadership development, management training, and networking opportunities for think tank professionals and promoting strategic partnerships among market-oriented organizations.

"Founded in 1992, SPN is the only group in the country dedicated solely to improving the practical effectiveness of independent, non-profit, market-oriented, state-based think tanks. State Policy Network’s programs enable these organizations to better educate local citizens, policy makers, and opinion leaders about market-oriented alternatives to state and local policy challenges.

"State Policy Network’s vision is to bolster the infrastructure of liberty by serving as a leadership training center and resource clearinghouse for the state-based, free market think tank industry. SPN helps identify and develop the leadership and management talent needed to equip state-based, market-oriented think tanks to be more effective, widely respected, and successful champions of personal and economic freedom in their respective states. In short, State Policy Network works to build the institutional capacity of state groups necessary for translating sound policy prescriptions into popularly supported policy solutions. This strategy is based upon the premise that the war of ideas has largely been captured by free market proponents and that the remaining challenge centers on the implementation of sound policy.

"In sum, free market think tanks possess the brains (i.e. the right ideas), but often lack the “institutional muscle” essential to grassroots policy success. SPN’s professional services aim to help bridge this divide by strengthening the institutional capacity of state groups with training programs in the critical areas of organizational and leadership development, marketing, resource development and grassroots mobilization."

"The Tennessee Center for Policy Research is an independent, nonprofit and nonpartisan research and educational institute dedicated to providing concerned citizens, the media and public leaders with expert research and timely free market policy solutions to public policy issues in Tennessee.

"The Tennessee Center for Policy Research promotes personal freedom and limited government through policy solutions that:

  • Generate economic growth through reduced tax and regulatory burdens on individuals and businesses
  • Create unmatched educational opportunity by empowering parents, students and teachers with choices and opportunities
  • Advance healthcare solutions that restore dignity and encourage personal responsibility
  • Identify opportunities to reduce cost and increase efficiency in all levels of government
  • Reflect the Founding Fathers’ vision of a free society grounded in property rights and individual liberty based in personal responsibility

"The Tennessee Center for Policy Research generates and encourages public policy remedies grounded in the ideas of liberty to achieve a freer, more prosperous Tennessee."

Just clearing up your lies.

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You don't think that they'r

You don't think that they're actually going to say they're right wing, do you? Not saying it's not true. Just saying I'd like someone else to back it up.

And where in that piece doe

And where in that piece does it say that Al Gore uses any less energy?

I'd rather they label themselves as "conservative" too. That would put them one step ahead of the ABCCNNCBSNBCNYT group.

Newsbusters infatuation wit

Newsbusters infatuation with Al Gore is amusing.

Of the 29 threads I counted

Of the 29 threads I counted on the front page, 9 of them were about Al Gore. 9 of 29! Now I really like this site, and really dislike Al Gore, but come on. Is there nothing else to talk about? Are we afraid of Al Gore? Please, slow down on the Al Gore postings, or perhaps you could start a seperate website dedicated to your love of hatred of Al Gore. (Now I'm even more disgusted, you've made me type Al Gore 5 times.) ((NOW 6!))

WhichWing - you could have made this point with one post.

WhichWing - you could have made this point with one post.

If you have a problem with the site Administrators on their choice of subject matter, why not just write them with a PM.  Spewing twenty posts around the site is abusive.

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I think posting that on eve

I think posting that on every Al Gore post on the front page was a rather brilliant way to make my point. But you are free to disagree.

I do disagree. It is protocol here to not abuse the site.

I do disagree.  It is protocol here to not abuse the site.

And you were being abusive, not brilliant.  Brilliant, WhichWing, is something I have yet to see from you.

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Hi Hater!

Hi Hater!

Why is it that liberals alway

Why is it that liberals always think they are brilliant?

My experience with them has shown the opposite to be true, so why do they have this high and mighty opinion of themselves?

The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.

Hi Hater!

Hi Hater!

WW

WW,

Have you noticed that Al Gore has been in the news a lot lately? With that in mind, as we are a media analysis website, given that he has dominated the air and printwaves recently, can you see a correlation between the amount of coverage that NB has given to the former vice president and the amount of coverage given by traditional media outlets?

I await your learned response with great eagerness.  ns

(sound of crickets)I just did

(sound of crickets)

I just did a Google News Search on "Al Gore", and found almost 2,400 news articles fawning over his Oscar. Yet I only found a fraction as many articles about his energy use.

Of the 29 threads I counted

Of the 29 threads I counted on the front page, 9 of them were about Al
Gore. 9 of 29! Now I really like this site, and really dislike Al Gore,
but come on. Is there nothing else to talk about? Are we afraid of Al
Gore? Please, slow down on the Al Gore postings, or perhaps you could
start a seperate website dedicated to your love of hatred of Al Gore.
(Now I'm even more disgusted, you've made me type Al Gore 5 times.)
((NOW 6!))

I stand by that comment. I would also like to know why I'm suddenly a liberal because I think the Al Gore postings are out of control. I haven't disagreed with the ideology here, just think there are bigger and better things that we could discuss here. That's, again, just my opinion. And apperently, if one has an opinion that differs from yours, you are now a liberal.  And no, I have not noticed that 30% of the news coverage has been about Al Gore.

Ok WW....I am guilty of label

Ok WW....

I am guilty of labeling you a liberal. I could be wrong, but I have taken chances my whole life, and today is no exception.

If you don't like the Al Gore subject, feel free to go to open forum and start a new subject.

The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.

The media is going about maki

The media is going about making Al Gore into a prophet or saint or some sort of divine person over his factually vacuous slideshow film in spite of his obvious hypocrisy by doing the exact opposite what he is DEMANDING the rest of the world must do in order to save this "fragile" planet. What he is preaching is that we destroy our economy and our standard of living (and in turn worsen the economy and standard of living for the entire earth) chasing after these claims he thinks are true. It is scary to most of us because we understand the unintended consequences that will happen an millions (if not billions) of people world wide will die because of the lack of technology/medicine/food production we currently enjoy.

If that doesn't matter to you, then ignore it...that's what I do with the stories I don't care about.

Gun Safety Tip #8: No matter how responsible he seems, never give your gun to a monkey. (www.imao.us)

Just curious-how many threads

Just curious-how many threads not on the first page on Newsbusters are about Gore?

As for the news coverage on Gore, as I have noted elsewhere, a Google News search shows some 2400 news stories about him and his Oscar in the day and a half since he won it. That's more news stories than there are about the attempted assassination of Vice President Cheney today. And many times more than there are stories about the Scooter Libby trial.

Just curious-how many threads

Just curious-how many threads not on the first page on Newsbusters are about Gore?

As for the news coverage on Gore, as I have noted elsewhere, a Google News search shows some 2400 news stories about him and his Oscar in the day and a half since he won it. That's more news stories than there are about the attempted assassination of Vice President Cheney today. And many times more than there are stories about the Scooter Libby trial.

More stories about Gore tha

More stories about Gore than the Libby trial, that is indeed ridiculous. But the Cheney assisnation attempt did just happen today, so I wouldn't really count that as a reasonable comparison.

EDIT: I didn't notice that you said "in the day and half since he won it." So I guess it is a valid comparison.

WW,We really like cheeseburge

WW,

We really like cheeseburger Al.

Who else could blow an election because he can't carry his own state?

We just don't like it when he 'PLAYS ON OUR FEARS'!!!

Hi Hater!

Hi Hater!

CONVERT TO WASTE

Appears he could save at least 10 months of that by changing to HUMAN WASTE fuel, since he seems to be full of it!

Where's Tipper?  Oh my God,

Where's Tipper?  Oh my God, he ate Tipper!

Tipper

Oh, Tipper is there.  Hear she finally took up rap music and loves it.  She's now calls herself Al's B.....!  How in the world could Meredith V of Today show state that this man is "COOL"  In his tux he looks more stuffed than a penquin.  Is it just me or is he really the most boring individual, next to Larry David! 

What a Red Herring!!!!

Don’t you all know by now that you should check any Drudge story? Gore buys all (100% for those who parse words) his utilities from renewable energy through a green program from his utility company. He might use a lot more compared to us who don’t live in mansions, but he’s put his money where his renewable utilities are.

If we took Al's hysteria at f

If we took Al's hysteria at face value, we should invade China and India and force them to decist in the diabolic economic growth. Then plunge the world into a new dark ages to save the planet.

Instead the elitist pat themselves on the back for buying green. Still producing CO2 and living high on the hog while lecturing the rest of the world.

Sorry if we interupted your Goregasm.

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.”   H.L. Mencken

A glutton is a glutton. Pretty hard to fight that one.

A glutton is a glutton.  Pretty hard to fight that one.

I myself, practice sloth.  As often and frequently as possible.

:-)

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Gore is welcome to spend his

Gore is welcome to spend his money how he pleases. 

You, on the other hand, have no reason whatsoever to believe that these renewable energy resources Gore is buying reduce overall pollution or CO2 emissions in any way.  In fact, every one of these 'renewable' enegy resources comes at some environmental cost and none of them is as efficient as the standard market sources, which are by definition, the least costly of scarce resources in aggregate terms.  If they were not the least costly, they would COST MORE than what Gore is buying at premium prices.

Gore's purchase of these absurd resources at greater than market rates is a symbolic gesture that is contributing not one iota to pollution or global warming reduction.   Your are entirely decieved if you believe otherwise.

Well said, NL207. Would love

Well said, NL207. Would love to see someone challenge alGore on this issue, one on one.

I'd be happy to have a battle

I'd be happy to have a battle of wits with Gore.  Unfortunately, I'd be arrested afterwards for assaulting an unarmed man.

NL don't you know. If you use

NL don't you know. If you use green jet fuel in your private jet. And renewable sources for energy. And pay the sin tax. you're absolved of sin. (So long as you're a liberal.) Your jet, or limo produces no CO2.

You're free to pollute as much as you want. It's up to everyone else to lower the CO2 level.

The arrogance and hypocracy never ceases to amaze me.

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.”   H.L. Mencken

JP, Do you really believe th

JP,

 Do you really believe that algore A/C, hot tubs and yard lighting  will switch off when the wind quits, just after the sun is off those solar panels? 

No he will be sucking off the  grid like the rest of us.

Suggested reading "Do as I say, Not as i do"

Why not nuclear power?Inciden

Why not nuclear power?

Incidentally, I recently went "shopping" for electricity.  To "feel good" about using "renewable" energy resources exclusively, my utility company wanted to charge me extra for the privilege.  (If I had my way, I would see to it that my soon-to-be residence was powered exclusively by the South Texas Nuclear Project, but we'll leave that for now.)  With my sense of economics much more attuned than my environmental sense, I skipped this "renewable" nonsense.  Why should I pay more money just to "feel good"?  Paying more money for something I can get for less does NOT make me feel good, but then, my economic sense is more attuned.

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

Gore uses even more energy

In addition to the electric bill, the natural gas bill for Gore's home and guesthouse ran $1,080 per month last year, Johnson said.  - This comes from another article linked on the DrudgeReport.

The operative phrase here: l

The operative phrase here: liberal hypocrisy.

To counter their endless and undisputed hypocritical public demonstrations, they trot out a handful of complete idiots (see the offerings of liberals in this discussion) assigned to toss out liberal catch words, i.e., "hate", "Supreme Court", "George W. Bush". 

In truth, every liberal enclave on the planet is the embodiment of hypocrisy.  The rich have what they want -- their maids, servants, and other peasant class underlings must heed their sniffing pontifications.  Yet, they wonder why legitimate Americans and freedom seekers/lovers everywhere so despise them.  

Genuine leaders don't lead by

Genuine leaders don't lead by proclamation.  They inspire followers by leading by example.

Most of our major Dem and Rep politicians never graps this.  Too many were born with silver spoons in their mouths, accustomed to comfort and privilege. 

AlGore Responds.....http://ww

AlGore Responds.....http://www.myfoxdc.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=2511217&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.11.1

Drudgereport.com

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

Would these measures to reduc

Would these measures to reduce the carbon footprint be an affordable option for an average family of four?

*****

"Was it a millionaire who said 'Imagine no possessions?'" - Elvis Costello

Hero....anyway you go about e

Hero....anyway you go about explaining about all the solar options and what nots Al has done, it still dosent off set the amount of power he used. What I find amusing about that whole article is, even after all his green improvements, he still is using that much electric power from the provider. How much would he be using without the green gagets? 

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

I can't afford to install sol

I can't afford to install solar panels on my home. And since I live in a part of the country where sunshine is not exactly abundant throughout the year, it doesn't seem a reliable alternative to me. Ann Coulter put it quite well last night on H&C. We need energy and will continue to need more energy unless we decide to return to the days of lighting our homes with candles. Darryl Hannah had no answer about why the greenies shot down the nuclear power industry.

alGore and his chums live in a fantasyland where they're the most important people. They haven't a clue about the consequences of their utopian fantasies for the average American. Talk is cheap. The best I can do is to cut back on eating pork and beans.

Carbon offsets

Gore claims that he buys carbon offsets. I don't understand how this lowers carbon emmissions. I worked for the power company for many years. If we produced 22,000 kilowatts of juice then it put  X tons of carbon dioxide into the air. How are you going to buy that? As far as his buying so called green power, how does that particualr juice get to his house when the rest of his neighbors get their power from fossil plants? It all comes over the same transmission/distrubtion lines. This all sounds to me like a feel good approach that does not really do anything.

The best analogy to "c

The best analogy to "carbon credits" that I can think of is "robbing Peter to pay Paul".

Is Al doing the "robot

Is Al doing the "robot" in that picture??

You try walking around with a

You try walking around with a piece of wood up your arse.

What I'd love to see? Some

What I'd love to see? Some high profile conservative group needs to get some experts to run an analysis on Al Gore's home and make a list of recommendations that he could undertake that would drastically reduce his energy consumption. Then go on O'Reilly or Cavuto and present it for the whole world to see and challange Al to undertake their recommendations.

I mean for crying out loud, 221,000 kWh a year!?!? And that's with all his energy saving light bulbs and whatever else he's using to save the planet. I could probably take a one hour tour of his home and come up with a quick list that would cut his electricity consumption in half.

My guess is that Al's mansion

My guess is that Al's mansion is literally that, which means it was built a long, long time ago. Old "big" houses like that had to be built with extremely high ceilings (usually 10 feet to 16 feet or more), as they were heated by fireplaces and the high ceilings kept residual smoke out of the living space. Houses like this are an absolute bear to heat.

Further research finds that Gore's mansion has 20 rooms and 8 bathrooms. Not only is Gore wasting energy, but those 8 bathrooms must use a ton of water! Imagine flushing all 8 toilets at once?

Heh, this story of Algore usi

Heh, this story of Algore using 20 times as much electricity as the average American and yet imploring us to "conserve" is indeed more delicious than hot apple pie. Yep, another "do as I say, not as I do" moment. (Although more accurately, "do as I currently say, not as I do", because liberals will contradict themsleves and flip flop on a dime when it suits their political expediency of the moment (for instance, Algore, Bill Clinton, John Kerry all used to talk against abortion, and Algore bragged in 1988 about all he did for promoting tobacco and then revised the history in 1996 by saying he opposed it with all his might after his sister died of cancer in 1984).

The fact that liberals conveniently exempt themselves from their own legislation against our freedoms gives them all the more motivation to aggressively try to push it through (for example, you know darn well that the Clintons would never have to endure any delays from rationed health care if their own plan ever becomes the law of the land, but rather would always get instant and the best health care treatment available).

Hay algore,Tell me when the w

Hay algore,

Tell me when the winds quits blowing, the sun sets on those solar panels. Do you shut down your 50 TON air conditioner, hot tubs, and out door lighting?

Quit tracking your filthy carbon foot prints, all over the place will ya!

I don't know that the Tenness

I don't know that the Tennessee Center for Policy Research is a group I'm going to start taking facts from.

If you carefully read thru th

If you carefully read thru the entire thread, there's some info on their credibility, or lack thereof. It's probably on page 2 by now

But ABCNBCCBSCNNMSNBC and KO

But ABCNBCCBSCNNMSNBC and KO are perfectly ligit? You never quit do you. As always you are good for a laugh.

It was obvious Big Al was a h

It was obvious Big Al was a hypocrite from the start.
I mean the guy jets all over the planet to enlighten the world about "Global Warming".
Couldn't Big Al just set up a satellite dish on the ranch to speak to the masses. Just think of all the money he could have saved on Carbon Offsets.....lol.

Carbon Offsets

This is the bigest scam I have ever heard of....

Here is a news flash, we had an ice age a few thousand years ago. The climate warmed up and it is getting warmer.

Guess what? after that it will get colder again!!!

This is how the planet works. It is cyclical and there is little we can do do influence it.

If we do everything that we can to stop or slow down global warming, it will only delay things by a few years.

Of corse we should not trash the planet and we should try to clean up the air but this hysterical frenzy that Al Gore and his ilk are stirring up is just a way to line someones pockets and will have a very small if any net effect on climate change.

I live in Chicago. Frome here global warming sounds pretty good...... Shorter winters, warmer summers, whats not to like.....