Law Prof/Cable Legal Pundit Turley Writes, Chats Online About Liberal Angst Over Toy Guns

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Even in an age when eight-year-olds are expert video gamers, if you're a kid (or a 28-year-old blogger playing with your nephews) nothing beats an old-fashioned game of Cops and Robbers (or Jack Bauer vs. shady terrorist masterminds). But that doesn't sit well with liberal parents who abhor "gun violence." So what do you do if you're a liberal TV pundit like George Washington University's Jonathan Turley and your kids won't take the hint when you take away their toy guns and swords and other toy "weapons"?

Well, the law professor wrote yesterday about how he stopped worrying and learned to accept that little boys like to play with toy guns (in his kids' case more often with toy swords/lightsabers). He found that, surprise, surprise, little boys often act out good vs. evil dramas with their toy gun or sword play, and for some darn reason, it seems natural for them to do so:

As one of five kids (with two older brothers), I grew up in a liberal, no-guns household in Chicago in the 1960s. My mother considered it her duty to smash any squirt gun we brought into the house. In looking back, though, I'm sure that her gun-free policy made us all the more obsessed with the toys. My kids, on the other hand, show no such fixation. They rarely play gun games (sword fights are more common) and are more inclined to hunt for valuable rocks on the playground or convert our best linens into makeshift yurts in the living room.

Still, when their best friend recently invited them to his Army-themed birthday party, it didn't bother us a bit (though some parents did refuse to let their children attend). In fact, I was struck by how, more than combat fighting, the boys tended to act out scenes involving rescuing comrades or defending the wounded. What I saw was not boys experimenting with carnage and slaughter, but modeling notions of courage and sacrifice. They were trying to experience the emotions at the extremes of human conduct: facing and overcoming fear to remain faithful to their fellow soldiers.

Well, today Turley discussed his column in a live chat at the Washington Post's Web page, and his first question came from a liberal anti-toy gun mother who hates the idea of having toy guns in her house. Oh, and she just happens to be a former newspaper reporter::

...my husband and I really just didn't like the idea of having even toy guns in our house. So we followed the idea developed by the Lion and Lamb group (which since has disbanded): if our kids wanted to make a gun from Legos, okay, but once they were done using the Legos to make a gun the Legos could be back to just being Legos. Same thing with toast (which my son bit into gun shapes at times). He could always eat the toast! But toy guns are toy guns. They can't be anything else. To me, allowing kids to create their own guns from materials that could always be transformed to something else seems to provide a workable compromise on the toy gun issue. Your thoughts?

Author's Note (Ken Shepherd | 2/27/2007, 17:30 EST): References to Turley as a "Fox News contributor" that appeared in the original post were altered to more accurately reflect Turley's relationship to the network as a recurring guest who offers analysis on legal news developments. I apologize for any confusion caused by using the "contributor" label which may have incorrectly implied an official connection between Turley and the news agency.

—Ken Shepherd is Managing Editor of NewsBusters


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Yeah, gotta love those libera

Yeah, gotta love those liberal, free thinking parents who refuse to allow their childrens attendance at a military themed birthday party. 

Sure, now we know why liberals/democrats are so sparsely represented in the armed forces.  Their children obviously would have to be rebels in order to gain veteran status.  That sorta sets things on their ear for the 60's tye-dyed - liberal set who valued just such rebellion in their own ranks....

BD...I know firsthand how the

BD...

I know firsthand how the 60's tye-dyed liberal set thinks. I don't understand it, but have seen a lot of it firsthand.

My brother-in-law and sister-in-law from my first marriage were refugees from San Fransisco in the mid to late 60's. I met them when I moved to SC. They lived 300 yds up the road from us. They had a 10 year old son, we had an 11 year old son. Both boys were in the backseat while I drove them to my sons baseball practice (his cousin was not allowed to play sports because his parents thought it only encouraged aggressive behavior). While arguing about some dumb kid thing, my nephew took a small toy car and hit my son in the eye with it. My son then turned on him and punched him a few times in the face. I watched the whole thing in my rearview mirror and knew exactly who had done what. Shortly after getting home I had a Sheriff's Deputy on my porch wanting to talk to my son. My son told his side of the story and I backed him up. When his parents found out that my son would not be going to jail, they came to our house and started throwing rocks at our living room bay window. A lot went down after this which is not worth going into. However, the bottom line was this... they claimed it was all my sons fault, and of course I was blamed for not stopping my son from hitting theirs. It made absolutely no difference that their son struck first and almost put out my sons eye, they only knew that it had to be our fault because we liked sports and sports encouraged aggressive behaviour. This kind of thinking NEVER has, and NEVER will make sense to me!

The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.

Your in-laws must be my aunt/

Your in-laws must be my aunt/uncle as I saw similar bizarreness from them.

In the mid 1970's they used to coach my cousin to reply to the question of "What do you do if there is a war" with "I go to Canada."

Oh my God, we may be related!

Oh my God, we may be related!

The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.

CT:Spend much time in Minneso

CT:

Spend much time in Minnesota in the 1970's?

Nope. Spent it in NJ, unfortu

Nope. Spent it in NJ, unfortunately!

The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.

'course the best follow-up

'course the best follow-up question to that is, "What if the war is taken to Canada?"

"I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is to try to please everyone." - Bill Cosby

For those that have some mone

For those that have some money the answer would be... go to New Zealand.

NZ is the latest refugee state for liberals to run to.

The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.

I had a roommate in college

I had a roommate in college who grew up in a house that didn't allow toy guns. I grew up in a house that didn't allow us to trick-or-treat. He was pretty liberal, I conservative. It was a fun odd couple roommate matching.

Anyway, back to Turley, I think it's instructive how liberals try to create this utopian, politically correct realm within their home and expect it to comport to their ideological expectations, but it just doesn't work out when it slams up against reality.

Turley's op-ed is a nice window into how liberalism doesn't square with reality, even if he doesn't realize it.

My money is on your son growi

My money is on your son growing into a happier adult--one who competes and prospers, defends his home and family.  I don't know--maybe the other child came to learn about life after leaving that environment (I hope so) or maybe he's waiting for the government to ease his pain of living. 

Liberalism is a convenient lie.

Check out this cool toy gun I

Check out this cool toy gun I bought!

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/images/products/out/large/TAK10668.jpg

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/images/products/aux1/large/TAK10668.jpg

I wonder what the "Anti-Gun" Nut Rosie O'Donnell would think of this toy?

One of my favorite toys as

One of my favorite toys as a young kid was my Johnny Seven OMA (One Man Army) Gun

must explain why I have grown up to be such a violent, aggressive psychopath.


Give a Democrat Party free America a chance!

When playing DOOM on my compu

When playing DOOM on my computer, I always loved to get my hands on the BFG 9000.  Yeah, boys, peace through superior firepower!

"A communist is someone who reads Marx.  An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx."  Ronald Reagan

"...your thoughts?...&

"...your thoughts?..."

Sure...you're an f***ing lunatic!

I was thinking more "g

I was thinking more "get off the computer, you big dope" a la Mark Levin, but yeah.

The only thing missing was &q

The only thing missing was "I support the children, but I don't support their role playing."

That's why we as parents (o

That's why we as parents (or prospective parents) have a duty to teach our children proper gun safety and the difference between toy guns and real guns. Just because a person may choose to not keep guns (or any other weapons) in their home does not remove the responsibility to teach their kids about them. Their kids will be in a home at one time or another where there are guns (or other weapons) kept. What if that household doesn't keep their weapons secured, and the kids have access to them? What are the kids going to do if they haven't been taught by their parents? The NRA has the Eddie Eagle program to help kids know what to do if they find themselves in the presence of a gun if an adult is not around and it's a great starter program. But, the anti-gun types that avoid any contact with guns are putting their children and themselves at greater risk through their chosen ignorance. Everyone--whether they want to keep guns in their home or not--should be able to determine whether a firearm is safe to handle or not (unloaded, chamber empty, safety on).

ALL gun accidents are due to ignorance or carelessness but, the majority are because of ignorance. If you don't want to own a gun, fine but, you owe it to your children to teach them gun safety anyway.

BTW, a 4-year-old isn't too young to teach, mine is doing quite well in her learning about guns and gun safety. She should be ready to take her first trip to the range in a few more months.

Gun Safety Tip #8: No matter how responsible he seems, never give your gun to a monkey. (www.imao.us)

Still, when their best frie

Still, when their best friend recently invited them to his Army-themed
birthday party, it didn't bother us a bit (though some parents did
refuse to let their children attend).

See, your kid's friend's parents had it all wrong. If they had just thrown a gay-themed birthday party, everyone could have come, errr, I mean shown up.

D

Want your elected reps to know what you think? Go to Congress.org, it's real easy.

OMG! I must be a horrible par

OMG! I must be a horrible parent! I gave my son his first REAL Gun when he was only 11 or 12. Now he has venison in his freezer! OHHHHHH Woe is me! He turned to be things like an Eagle Scout! Now he is a degreed engineer, pays taxes, donates time & money to the poor, is a self sufficient citizen, and won't vote for a dedmocrat!!!!

Where, oh where did I go wrong!!!

"A wise man's heart inclines him toward the right, but a fool's heart toward the left"- Ecclesiastes 10:2

DG...Do not give out your add

DG...

Do not give out your address. If a liberal reads your post they will report you to Child Services.

The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.

Yeah, CT, I thought of that.

Yeah, CT, I thought of that. They'd like to shoot me, wouldn't they?

"A wise man's heart inclines him toward the right, but a fool's heart toward the left"- Ecclesiastes 10:2

I spent the better part of a

I spent the better part of a year carrying a rifle everywhere, and still I feel naked at times without it.  My daughter is going to learn gun safety (before she gets a gun of her own, I might add), and by God, if she wants an Army themed birthday party, I'll invite a Sergeant Major to come.

Nebraskans for War: Peace through strength

  Aggression and competition

  Aggression and competition are as natural as breathing.  Boys play acting 'warrior' roles is a healthy way to come to terms with and understand the urge to physically compete.  When a stong biological urge is repressed it comes out anyway as subconscious actions.  This is one reason liberals have a strong tendancy for being passive-aggressive.

Some traits of passive-aggressive:

*FEAR OF DEPENDENCY  - Unsure of his autonomy & afraid of being alone, he fights his dependency needs - usually by trying to control you.

*FEAR OF COMPETITION - Feeling inadequate, he is unable to compete with other men in work and love.  He may operate either as a self-sabotaging wimp with a pattern of failure, or he'll be the tyrant, setting himself up as unassailable and perfect, needing to eliminate any threat to his power.

*FEELING VICTIMIZED - The p/a man protests that others unfairly accuse him rather than owning up to his own misdeeds.  To remain above reporach, he sets himself up as the apparently hapless, innocent victim of your excessive demands and tirades.

*AMBIGUITY - He is master of mixed messages and sitting on fences.  When he tells you something, you may still walk away wondering if he actually said yes or no.

*SULKING - Feeling put upon when he is unable to live up to his promises or obligations, the p/a man retreats from pressures around him and sulks, pouts and withdraws.

MidAmerica,sounds alot like B

MidAmerica,sounds alot like Bill Clinton ,don't you think? Seriously though,nice work on the liberal psycho-analysis.

MidAmerica,sounds alot like

MidAmerica,sounds alot like Bill Clinton ,don't you think? Seriously though,nice work on the liberal psycho-analysis.

ArmedDad, that was the first name I thought of as I read the list.

Give a Democrat Party free America a chance!

Gun Control For Kids

When reading this, I just felt utterly sad. Very sad. Why are adults so fixated on sucking the joy and spontaneity out of kids' lives? I'm a gun owner and my husband and I are responsible when it comes to gun posession. When and if we have children we will teach them how to respect and use guns, but always keep them locked up. This liberal, anti-gun mom sounds a lot like one of my liberal sisters-in-law. You know the type...the type of liberal woman who is a one-issue voter whether it be abortion or gun control. I find that a lot of people who are so pro gun control typically have never had contact with guns, only listen to what the media says about the "evils" of guns, and therefore make judgements based on that. However, at what price to our boys in America? Why do they have to suffer?

The difficult we do immediately; the impossible takes a little longer.  Air Force Motto

emjem says: When your brain's stuck on liberalism it self-destructs.