Hybrids Not So Hot After Fuel-Economy Changes

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The media adore hybrid automobiles for the gas mileage and the green factor, but changes in fuel-economy beginning in 2008 will hit hybrids hard.

“Toyota’s Prius, best-known and best-selling gas-electric car in the USA, drops to 48 miles per gallon in the city under the ’08 testing procedure, from a 60 mpg rating under the current system – a 20% decline. Its highway mileage rating falls about 12%, to 45 mpg,” USA Today reported on its front page February 23.

You can read the entire Business & Media Institute article here.


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This is Old news......but to

This is Old news......but to understand it, you have to know the "Details", and finally the USA today reported the "details"....but only because it was connected to a Global warming alternative Fuel issue. 

For the last 10 years anyone that bought a new car knew the numbers were slightly bogus, over estimated, but let the "details" spring forth.

This information should put the new California mileage standards that are on the legislative drawing boards, back in the Green Committee.....the legislation they are contemplating will just eliminate ANY car sales in California if passed.

No new Cars for Hollywood..........they can't meet mileage standards.  

At Times like these, it becomes more than just a Moral Obligation to express ones opinion, it becomes a Pleasure.

What the new hybrid gas stats mean to me.

What the new hybrid gas stats mean to me:

Some republicans got into the mix and demanded the truth be told, not some fancied up lib fantasy stretched to the theoretical limit.

Too bad that type of truth isn't demanded in other advertising, if you ask me.

" Well it's all psychology in action ", say the pros, "people will buy the product if you tell them they're saving instead of what they're actually doing, which is spending."(the pros omit the last 9 words)

I note the not so older ads say " Spend, spend spend ! "

I submit the "fun" for male shoppers immediately ended when they were told they would save money going into a store, and not only deep down inside did they know otherwise, but immediately they consciously understood it was time to be taken for a ride, and dealing with a scheister was the likely thing about to happen.

 I suppose the "pros" never considered that.

 Same thing with the gas mileage stat. I'm sure there are thousands of braindead braggers who couldn't calculate gallons/$$ spent and check it with their odometers / trip meters to verify what the auto seller told them to save their life. So, they saunter about bragging their Pruis "gets 60", for years at a time, totally unaware of what mpg it actually gets. Usually it's an educated liberal enviro green freak, of course.

 

As soon as these cars get a l

As soon as these cars get a little used it's more economical to throw them away. Example: say the transmission blows. New transmission $4,000.00, additional labor just to install it  is $3,000.  What about battery replacement?   Additional taxes for hazardous disposal.   Just a feel good waste of money.

So Much For The Hybrid

So much for the Prius. I knew the hype wouldn't last. I know a lot of liberal retirees swear by it. Boy, did they get taken for a ride. In particular, an old college history professor of mine (a liberal), swears by his. It's like people who drive these things have found nirvana. I used to get hammered by this guy for my SUV. My SUV is mid-range and gets about similar mpg that the Prius NOW gets. Wow...I guess my SUV is safe again. You can't go wrong with Saturn Vues. I love mine, they're economical, and you can go offroad in them. They now come in the hybrid version (shrug). I have to laugh about this story because these cars not only look way too small but uncomfortable to drive. They actually look like the little European cars except more weird-looking. Here today, gone tomorrow, sorry Al Whore.

The difficult we do immediately; the impossible takes a little longer.  Air Force Motto

emjem says: When your brain's stuck on liberalism it self-destructs.

Tests the government has used

Tests the government has used for mileage estimates were created in the 1970s and haven't reflected today's driving environment. They have assumed, for instance, that people don't use air conditioning and don't drive more than about 60 mph

The conservative driver ( 55 mph and no air conditioning) will still get the higher mpg.

Will a liberal driver get b

Will a liberal driver get better mileage ? Why ? :)

Hot air rises; makes the car

Hot air rises; makes the car lighter; ergo, better mileage.

nixon - No, liberals will get

nixon - No, liberals will get the newer,  lower mpg. They use the air conditioning because of global warming; conservatives know global warming is a myth (temps haven't changed since the '60's) so they don't use air conditioning. :)

Smug alert!

Will a liberal driver get better mileage ?

They may or may not, but they will create more smug.

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I have a lot of trouble keeping my speed limit anywhere near 55, does this mean I'm no longer a conservative?

Actually, I have few Mopars that I have collected over the years and no matter how slow I drive them they still gobble up the gas, and since I can afford the high-test gas for them I honestly don't care what kind of mileage they get. Does this make me a bad person? I don't think so.

Yaris

But even with the outdated testing methods the Yaris Turbo Diesel gets 50mpg. Maybe we should all go diesel to increase the mpg's and dump the complexity of the hybrid.

Hybrid Cars Endanger the Blind???

What's especially stunning is last evening's All Things Considered explaining how Nearly Silent Hybrid Cars May Endanger the Blind.

Absolute warning- stow all frangibles before listening- not that there's anything inherently wrong with the above concept???

I mean talk about being verklempt.

casino time !?!

Having finished my evening by assisting, logistically and physically, in moving too- big reefer panels through a too- small door for a retail/ wholesale seafood company I'm developing additional marketing methods for I would like to believe I have enough steam left to head to a local Rez casino to play $10 worth of video poker for a few hours and still walk out with at least $10. I'm 4 for 4 so far.

Now if the hybrids have gon

Now if the hybrids have gone from 60 mpg to 48, what does that do to the typical gasoline car? Does everything basically take a 20% hit?

I don't understand the excitement over this story. Even with the new standards, don't the hybrids still offer better mileage? And don't get me wrong, I'm no tree hugger, I'm just cheap. And with gas at about $2.25/gallon around here, I want as much as I can get out of my buck. (Although, right now, hybrids are priced too high to make it worthwhile for me.)

I seem to recall reading th

I seem to recall reading that the old EPA test was based on a 0-60 time of 16 seconds. That's not reality where most of us drive, so this was a welcome change.

I agree that the fawning over hybrids by the media is agenda-driven, but I think that those of us on the 'other side' should avoid a knee-jerk reaction to these cars. If you take a look around, there is some spectacular technology out there right now. When people think of a hybrid, they seem to always think of the Prius, which is designed for fuel economy to the extreme, but there is so much more out there. Several of the manufacturers (Honda, Lexus) have taken the standard, high-output V6, added variable cylinder management, added a battery and an electric motor, and the result is a car with noticably better gas mileage that's quicker off the line. That's cool, in my opinion.

Electric motors provide instantaneous torque. Imagine, in the future, a car with a battery no bigger than the one in an ordinary car, with a powerful electric motor, and a gasoline engine serving no other purpose than to operate the AC and heat, and provide the exhaust note. Add gas as frequently as you change the oil. That's the direction we're headed in, and I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

By the way, lest you think I'm some Insight-driving enviroNazi, I am a conservative Republican who drives a 300-hp Subaru STi and a Mazda RX-8 (with the RX-8 being by far, the worst fuel economy per liter of any production vehicle made) and I smoke the tires with a smile. I just love the new technology.

Giving it a chance doesn't make you a liberal! You can still heap scorn upon the environmental regulations that don't make any sense, while accepting that no matter how much oil is left on Earth, we can be pretty sure that we're burning it up faster than the planet makes it. And unfortunately, some of the intermediaries who get it to us are hell-bent on our destruction. So keep an eye on the technology.

Sometime soon, the fastest, most loaded vehicles will also get the best gas mileage, and once the market forces get the prices down, go get one, and feel free to flip 'ol Hugo the bird whenever you pass a Chevron station.

OK, um ... where's all that power coming from?

OK, um ... where's all that power coming from?

I haven't heard 'all-electric' homes being advertised much anymore.  My electric bill for my property which doesn't go anywhere from 0-60 is pretty high; adding a standard car charger to the meter(s) would drive me further into the 'maximum' rate scale.

Maybe even up to an additional $300 a month.  I'm budgeting about $150 a month currently for gasoline.

Query?

ACA

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Quoted from:  'Acaiguana Notes from the Bomb Shelter' (soon to be a movie at theaters near you)

"OK, um ... where's al

"OK, um ... where's all that power coming from?"

The power comes from the gas engine, and the brakes, which recharge the battery. My point is simply that it's reasonable to expect that the amount of gas needed to charge the battery will decrease over time.

Think about cell phones, for example. The bag phones from the early 90s were heavy, with long charge times and short talk times. However, because of market demand, less than 20 years later you can get a disposable phone that fits in your shirt pocket.

If you're trying to save money on gas right now, there are lots of all-gas fuel-efficient cars out there, and they are often reasonably priced... they are just typically not very luxurious or fun to drive. I'm hoping that hybrid technology will change that.

That's a good answer, Reality Check. However...

That's a good answer, Reality Check.  However where I live I am shopping for a used tank.  :-)

ACA

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Quoted from:  'Acaiguana Notes from the Bomb Shelter' (soon to be a movie at theaters near you)

Cell phones have gotten small

Cell phones have gotten smaller, because they use WAY less energy, (conversion from analog to digital; big savor) and other energy saving technology.

Cars on the other hand, same mass traveling same distance over the same pot holed roads.

Battery technology hasn't changed much for 100 years.

So Hybrids will ALWAYS have batteries that weigh 1,000 lbs. for ever. sorry

Hmmm...why does NB not mentio

Hmmm...why does NB not mention that ALL cars take MPG hits under the EPA's new testing regimen?

throatwob - that goes witho

throatwob - that goes without saying - do you think we don't know that? What is your point?

That's a good question throaty.

That's a good question throaty.

For once, I'll treat your question as valid.  The answer would be that if you read the linked article it doesn't mention this.  And the NB site is pointing to a particular article.

The second answer is that the 'other' cars aren't holding themselves up to be the 'savior' of the human race.

ACA

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Quoted from:  'Acaiguana Notes from the Bomb Shelter' (soon to be a movie at theaters near you)

So what?  I'll stick to my t

So what?  I'll stick to my trusty Ram, thanks.

Your selective literacy is showing itself yet again...oh well, off I go on my quest to form a consensus on how many M&Ms I have left when I am left with two red ones and two green ones...

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)