ABC Anchor Blogs: Why Is Hollywood So Liberal?

Photo of Tim Graham.

It's interesting how some network TV reporter blogs show more interest in examining liberals than the network news product does. In his Media Reality Check yesterday, Rich Noyes reported that the networks have yet to touch the controversy over the anti-religious bloggers John Edwards hired for his presidential campaign website, and yet ABC Nightline anchor Terry Moran really got the ball rolling in the blogosphere on the story when he asked if a Republican would be ignored with smash-mouth bloggers like that.

Moran's blog now features a post on the liberalism of Hollywood. Moran says what Jake Tapper didn't quite say in his report on the political importance of Tinseltown...as a Democratic power center: "Hollywood money is a crucial factor for any Democrat who seriously wants to be president. You simply cannot get the presidential nomination of the Democratic Party--and you cannot win the White House as a Democrat--without the money-raising muscle of Hollywood." Do the top producers snip lines like this, lines of simple common sense?

Moran said this makes the Clinton-Geffen-Obama spat important: "The whole incident demonstrates that fact once again, and it also reminds us how liberal Hollywood is. A conservative Democrat or a Republican is simply not going to find anywhere near as much money out here as a liberal--a 'real' liberal. Why is that? Why is Hollywood so liberal?"

And why won't Moran explore this on television, on Nightline?

The anchor explained that this was not always so, that studio chiefs used to be Republican Party officials, that "Irving Thalberg led the effort to defeat progressive Democrat Upton Sinclair when he ran for California governor in 1934 on a platform of ending poverty in the state. Daryl Zanuck was a staunch Cold Warrior who, like many moguls, helped enforce the notorious blacklisting of actors, writers, directors and others who might have had some association with communism. And Walt Disney was a deeply anti-union, anti-communist social conservative."

Now Sinclair was a raging socialist, not some tame New Deal Democrat, and the presence of communist directors and screenwriters in Hollywood does tend to at least rebut in part Moran's notion of a much more conservative entertainment capital back in the day.

Moran has a theory that Hollywood is liberal because sex sells:

The cash Niagara of more explicit, more sexually liberated movies has had a political consequence, it seems to me. Imagine, for a moment: If social conservatives had their way and American culture was remade in the manner they advocate--Hollywood would take a beating. Movies would change--they'd be less sexually suggestive, less "transgressive" of middle-class morality, less likely to champion lifestyles at odds with "traditional values." (They also might be a lot more boring--but that's beside the point.) And the big moguls would make less money--a lot less. (Artists would certainly and rightly rebel against the constraints on their freedom to imagine and depict the world--but I'm not talking about artists. I'm talking about businessmen and businesswomen.) So: Sex sells. And that shapes Hollywood's politics.

I'd say an easier theory is that liberals flocked to Hollywood because they (A) craved the natural human desire for fame and fortune and/or (B) realized that entertainment is a force of mass persuasion. There's one major flaw in Moran's argument here: family-friendly "middle-class morality" movies have often been box-office smashes. Moran ought to know that. He works for Disney.

—Tim Graham is Director of Media Analysis at the Media Research Center.


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I read a new post earlier t

I read a new post earlier this morning that was slamming and damming Fenton Communications.

Where did it go?

What really happened here?D

What really happened here?

Did you decide if you left it there you would have to lawyer up or what?

Moran has a theory that Hol

Moran has a theory that Hollywood is liberal because sex sells...

Sex doesn't always sell. Brent Bozell has pointed out that many times the highest earning movies at the box office tend to be the family films, G and PG rated. Other family-oriented organizations, and Michael Medved, have published similar studies. Hollywood ignores these studies and findings, and continues to crank out films filled with violence, profanity, and sex. So apparently they are making the kind of movies they want to make.

Which would say that it isn't

Which would say that it isn't just about money.  Hollywood chooses to project the dark side, and they are..  proud of that. 

Bingo! Apparently they wou

Bingo! Apparently they would rather lose money than make the kind of movies that those "right-wing nuts" and "evangelicals" want to see.

That's also why they make TV shows bashing Jesus, Christianity, the Catholic Church, saints, whatever... not because they are big moneymakers, but because they can use their "art" to denigrate. They cry "artistic freedom". But if anyone proposes a boycott of the TV show or its sponsors, then they howl about "censorship." Apparently they are allowed to make their point freely, but no one else is.

This has been going on for a

This has been going on for a long time, even back when Warner Bros. Studios were producing the old Looney Toons cartoons. There's been a debate for a long time on whether they were produced for a target audience of children or adults. The answer is neither. According to Chuck Jones, the cartoons were made for the writers because those were the ideas they came up with and that was what they wanted to make.

"I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is to try to please everyone." - Bill Cosby

I believe that a major reason

I believe that a major reason Hollywood is liberal is that actors, directors, and executives believe a liberal stance gives them an aura of virtue that compensates for the sleaze and greed that mark their careers and personal lives.

The idea that only "sexy

The idea that only "sexy" movies make money is preposterous.  As pointed out above, most of the movies on the all-time earnings rankings are PG rated.  The truth is that Hollywood has increasingly become a politically idealogical town, where actors and directors are no longer content to keep their politics and work separate.  When Michael Moore won an Oscar for a phony documentary slamming Bush, it was made patently obvious what is going on out there.  It was just a year or two ago where every Best Picture nominee for the Academy Awards was some liberally-slanted movie that nobody watched; yet the Hollywood power types did not seem to care. 

Hollywood is liberal for a number of reasons.  First, the intellectual capital out there is limited at best.  Many of the most powerful and rich people have little education, especially in economics or finance or science.  Second, there is an inbred mentality, where those who want to rise through the ranks are expected to tow the line.  Third, liberalism allows the ultra rich and powerful an outlet for their guilt, to demonstrate that they really care while not having to actually give up anything personally. 

Interesting phrases you use

"Phony documentary", "every best picture nominee .... nobody watched", "inbred mentality", "outlet for their guilt".  Let's see examples rather than just little catch phrases.  "Phony documentary" means what, precisely?  No one saw the movies nominated for best picture?  Really?  (I did.)   Did they all lose money because "nobody watched" them? 

Your statistics on this came from where exactly?  People in the arts world having a political opinion is so shocking to you that you must label it "inbred mentality" and an "outlet for their guilt"? 

If you wish to speak of outlets, what I've read on this little blog site indicates that it is purely an outlet for the usual nonsensical right-wing rage which, as usual is minus anything meaningful or particularly factual.  Just the same ol' same ol', traditionally whined by right-wingers afraid of anything that upsets their status quo. 

Yet another outlet for uptight conservatives to whine back and forth to each other.

Hey genius, I'm writing a lit

Hey genius, I'm writing a little blurb response to a web blog, not an encyclopedia entry.  It is not incumbent on me to back up what is obvious hyperbole with detailed listing of facts.  Liberals wrote the book on emotionally empty arguments, so be careful what you charge.  I can provide specific examples of liberal blathering without the slightest support, not just on a webpage, but from actual liberal politicians.

Michael Moore's documentary was shown to be unfairly skewed towards his cause.   As he always does in his movies, he intentionally took quotes out of context, left out key information and mispresented other details.  It was not a "documentary" at all, given that documentaries should have some semblence of objectivity.  Moore is not an objective person and he is not going to produce objective work.  Even military personnel who were included in the film have since come out and stated they were taken entirely out of context.  Moore is a filmmaking gypsy.

"Nobody watched"  -- Again, my hyperbole.  All of the Best Picture nominees in the year I references were horrible box office performers--all of them.  The fact that you went to see them says more about you than it does the movies.  Further, it is not relevant what you went to see.

Hollywood does have an inbred mentality.  How many conservatives are there in Hollywood?  How many oustpoken conservatives are there?  Name some.  Even the ones you can list are those who are already established in their careers.  Young actors, directors, writers, etc., who may be conservative, are wise to not speak their minds too hastily. 

"Nonsensical right wing rage"  Yeah, as opposed to that left wing rage, which makes all the sense in the world.  "Uptight conservatives" -- As opposed to those loose and fancy free liberals I always see at anti-war rallies or screeching for animal rights or agains religion. etc.  Liberals are so fun-loving, aren't they?

I love when you libs think you've made a point while not making the slightest one even if judged by generous standards.

Hollywood is a liberal bastion and people like George Clooney, Susan Sarandon, Sean Penn et al, are a bunch of hypocrites who feel rules do not apply to them.  They live in immense wealth while decrying "the rich" and they believe they are better simply because "they care".  My points all still stand; you have been defeated.  Now go away.

Smarty...I love your comment

Smarty...

I love your comment about the inbreeding of the Hollywood types. Considering these folks sleep around with each other, I'm betting DNA testing would be a hoot!

Well, actually, Clear I was b

Well, actually, Clear I was being mostly metaphorical when I wrote that.  I think Hollywood is "inbred," certainly in terms of its intellectual dynamics; however, you do bring up an interesting point.  Maybe they all really are genetically linked; that would explain much.

Love it when you back up an argument this way

Smartypants you sure got me! 

Supporting yourself with the usual whine of "well liberals do it too" sure did make your case.  ("I can provide specific examples of liberal blathering without the slightest support, not just on a webpage, but from actual liberal politicians.")

P.S. - Look up the word "generous" in the dictionary.  I think you'll find that you've misjudged its meaning.

NIce comeback there, Mama. 

Nice comeback there, Mama.  You're pitiful.

And, yes, I did "get you," more than you'll ever know.

Again ........ when a tighty

Again ........ when a tighty righty has no argument and yet still cannot just let something go, he/she eternally uses the "I got you more than you'll ever know" theory.  This because, of course, you have absolutely nothing to say.

Sigh.  That gets SOOO old.

Ok - now go ahead with your next line:  "no, no, it's YOU who can't let it go, it's YOU."  HAR.  Took the words right out of your little uptight wrinkled mouth, I know.

How many of you think this is

How many of you think this is hater ?

Count me as one.

No...

Ok Midwest, I believe it is either your nappy time or your meds time or both but either way, please change your depends diaper along those two and come back when you've settled down and found a way to explain why the Democrat Party Presidential candidates are shooting each other before the party has even started. Do all you libs come from the ghetto or do you just favor that kind of lifestyle?

If you claim to be a conservative, please don't disgrace yourself and conservatism by thinking and arguing like a liberal. Go Rudy!

Mama, we're all still wating

Mama, we're all still wating for YOUR arguments.  Where are they?  As Al Pacino said in "And Justice For All," you forgot to bring your case!

You make some stupid charge, that all conservatives are uptight.  I show how liberals are just as uptight.  That doesn't count, though, because I'm just saying what you said back to you.  Please.  I'd have an easier time debating my left shoe.

Our first 'Midwest' Troll.

Our first 'Midwest' Troll.

You are insulting, rude and obnoxious.

ACA

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Quoted from:  'Acaiguana Notes from the Bomb Shelter' (soon to be a movie at theaters near you)

Then Why Are You Here MidwestMama?

Look, MidwestMama, why the hell are you on this "little ol' blog" then? It speaks volumes that you're on here whining about our "whining." You liberals whine about everything from spanking one's children to whether global warming gives children fevers. Go whine on Daily K or Huff n' Puff because trolls don't last long here. I'm neither uptight nor do I whine...that's liberal classification for those who don't agree with them, isn't that right, MidwestMama? You're only on here to pretend that you're trying to get us "uptight, whining right-wingers" to know our place in your tight-fisted, narrow universe. You've said nothing of quality or even substance and I think that says a lot more about you and other liberals than it does about NB. Have fun getting smacked around.

The difficult we do immediately; the impossible takes a little longer.  Air Force Motto

emjem says: When your brain's stuck on liberalism it self-destructs.

emjem honey, you have no idea

emjem honey, you have no idea how you have made my day.  Hearing you whine even more because of a few sentences I've written (so far) is exactly the reaction anticipated.  Yes, I'm aware that you blowhards think you are tough guys who scare away people who disagree with you, when in fact I will leave this little whiner site because today I had my fun but will not waste more time on you.  Listening to the next DubyaFlub will provide enough humor without returning here.

Now go ahead, boast to everyone how you have "scared me off" and then proceed to whine about your next perceived slight by someone who couldn't care less about you.  Trust me, dear, you and your tightie rightie friends are the only ones who think you are "smacking" someone around. 

Ooooooooooohhhhhhhh.  There you go.  That was me being scared.  Will you sleep better tonight, dear?

This represents proof positiv

This represents proof positive of why one should never debate a fool.  Fools never know when they've been defeated.  Are there any intelligent liberals out there?  I'd love to meet one actually.

And also, why one shouldn't

And also, why one shouldn't feed the trolls.

Mama...A few days ago there w

Mama...

A few days ago there was an argument going on here at NB concerning the IQ's of liberals vs conservatives. The general consensus (I love this phrase now) was that liberals IQ's were lacking. Your posts so far today has backed up that consensus. Thank you.

Hey Midwest Heffer is a MENSA

Hey Midwest Heffer is a MENSA!  Rolling on floor laughing my ass off.

Did they lower the standards? I thought you had to be able to construct a coherent thought.

Proof positive you didn't mak

Proof positive you didn't make the cut, darlin'!

Riiight. You're a member of M

Riiight. You're a member of MENSA, like I'm playing center for the Lakers.

Ooops. Page Not Found.

It's possible that was a typo

It's possible that was a typo on her page, and it was really supposed to say "MENOPAUSAL"...

Save the environment. Chop down a liberal.

If your MENSA material, answe

If your MENSA material, answer this. Which came frist, the chicken or the egg? Every mensa knows this from first grade.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

So many liberals were taking

So many liberals were taking the MENSA test that they had to start grading on a curve!

wasn't emjem bragging?

Nobody gave a hoot when emjem24 bragged about her two master's degrees. Aren't they somewhat another form of elite status? I mean, she was preening as if nobody but she had ever been a teacher, etc.,

But you guys all camp on the MENSA megillah? (Same shit, haha!.)

Yet Another Attack, Eh Tumbler

The only reason I'm responding to you, Tumbler, is to set the record straight. I have one bachelor's degree and one master's degree. But then the whole point of your attack was to draw me out to attack me some more. Also, I didn't mention it for any elite status points, I mentioned it in the context of a larger debate with you, I think. I preen? Believe me, I'm not the only teacher out there but I will be the one that will call you out for outright misrepresentation. You, the biggest hypocrite on here, preens about being a hero for illegal aliens everywhere. Give me a break. Save it for La Raza.

The difficult we do immediately; the impossible takes a little longer.  Air Force Motto

emjem says: When your brain's stuck on liberalism it self-destructs.

please, emjem dear

Believe me, please. I didn't single you out. The only reason I mentioned you is that you and "clear one" (Ha!) were beat up pretty badly by that troll from the Midwest. She gave you such a paddling.

Then I scanned up to see how you two were posting to HER. Pathetic! All you did was crumble, all the while posting shitty little insults. The way kids do it in school to one another. Nya nya nyanya nya-a! Laughing about MENSA-- somebody in the thread I can't recall if you were. And the idea that "clear thinker" is upholding our conservative honor against a mudhen liberal like her-- and couldn't make a DAMN POINT. Just Nya nya nyanya-a--a! You actually had her resembling a MENSA heavyweight.

Now you spring at me; --MORE insults! Have you ever spoken intelligibly without name-calling? "Save it for La Raza?" Is that what the Masters prepared you for? You might go back and ask em for a tuition refund, Lady.

You Have No Right

Do you ever wonder, Tumbler, why so many people don't respond to you? Why they don't take you seriously? Here's a reason: you attack them. Did you really expect me not to find out what you did and what you said? Did you really think you'd get away with it? You are merely an online bully. I am going above your head.

The difficult we do immediately; the impossible takes a little longer.  Air Force Motto

emjem says: When your brain's stuck on liberalism it self-destructs.

This is hilarious.... Tumbler

This is hilarious....

Tumbler sticking up for Midwest Mama.

Tumbler must be getting desperate for companionship.

what is it, a prize fight?

Sticking up for??? Were we expecting tumbler to join ranks with the clear one and emjem? Against that Baaad Midwest yo Mama? I certainly would have been honored to support any useful remark you two made. All we see you do today is jerk off; Hey-- I think it's hater! You got your butt kicked by a liberal troll because you don't know anything to say, nothing except BS and insults. You can't win debates so you sling shit. She enjoyed locking horns with you. It ain't my fault nobody gave her a comeuppance. Maybe she'll come back. I promise you she won't go home thrilled about meeting ME.

I point out how easy it was for that troll, to walk all over you and that means I was defending her???

Sorry, Chum. What you need is somebody who loves you and thinks you walk on water because you're half vast conservative. Well, if you do it I shall definitely love you and support you. I just suspect you would sink like a rock. That has nothing to do with helping out Mae West.

Hey tumbler, I think you are a bit over the line on this.

Hey tumbler, I think you are a bit over the line on this.

You jumped in and criticized people and you had no real dog in the fight, did you?  And you skipped out on any chance to deal with the person directly, didn't you?

So, now people are feeling a bit angry with you for your unasked for attacks and you have to resort to crudity to deal with that?

I would strongly suggest you back down here, tone it down here and let it go.  In the future if you feel so strongly about someone, there is a PM system on the site.  If you think you need to publically chastise the people posting here...

Well, check out MWMommies dead end road, huh?

ACA

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Quoted from:  'Acaiguana Notes from the Bomb Shelter' (soon to be a movie at theaters near you)

ACA...This is tumblers MO. I

ACA...

This is tumblers MO.

I gave up responding to him because he is such a hateful person.

Playing with MidwestMama was fun, playing with tumbler is a complete waste of time.

I agree.

I agree.

However MidwestMomma was a pure troll.  I don't want to speculate beyond sanity here but I pretty much posted what I thought she was.  When these type of Trolls come here, it's best to ignore them and PM the Administrators.

They are here to spew junk all over the site, which makes the site look bad; it also makes the responders look bad.  I responded to her directly about her being here at all.

She thought she was cute; and putting all the Mensa stuff in her profile was a deliberate calculation to upset people.

I think you will find that truly intelligent people do not behave the way she was behaving and derive zero pleasure out of taking what had started out as a really nice day and dumping crap all over it.

Jim, by Hillarie Bellock <cite>

Now, just imagine how it feels
When first your toes and then your heels,
And then by gradual degrees,
Your shins and ankles, calves and knees,
Are slowly eaten, bit by bit.
No wonder Jim detested it!
No wonder that he shouted “Hi!”

ACA

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Quoted from:  'Acaiguana Notes from the Bomb Shelter' (soon to be a movie at theaters near you)

ACA..I read more than I blog,

ACA..

I read more than I blog, but I noticed such a sharp contrast in her tone vs. what I read from others at NB. It's one of the reasons I can't stand to go to those other blogs, or why I couldn't take more than 2-3 minutes of Air America. No sense of balance; no attempt at common sense; no ability to reason -- just a lot of hate.

How do they stand it?

to tell you the truth, ACA

Frankly; you are about the lone post in the thread that gave more than you got out of the Midwest troll. I was about to state it, Clear, Emjem Spankypants, and ACA; total losses. Then I took a back glance. You made good points at the MooMama. So, I didn't criticize. I only saw the glaring deficiencies of our Pals. But anyway; you're still angry. My remarks are over the top. Yippeeee!

Hell, no. A liberal troll isn't supposed to crunch any of us! It shouldn't require hurling hate rhetoric to make the troll back off; it can be done on substance. It takes THINKING to rebut a slick liberal like MisMae West of recent fame here in NewsBusters. --As long as I'm on my soap box; here's another finger-wag.

It's no disgrace when you don't have adequate skills or knowledge to carry an argument. But when a person who hasn't got them substitutes Beavis & Butthead silliness, hatred in every word, disrespect for the opponent totally out of control, --that person really has no call to say ANYTHING! The old maxim is; If you can't say anything good --Don't say anything! My feelings are always this: If I can't say something that I can be proud of, I'll say Stay out of this thread (to myself.) Notice I do not contribute to very many threads, I pick the spots. You pick some yourself, and pass on most of em.

TUMBLER

You whined and whined about how others posted to Michelle from Madison, but instead of setting an example you became her cohort.

I see aca has well pointed that out. I also see in another thread, after you hacked away here, no better than the troll M&M, you cackled and posted joyously that she "spanked everyone here".

 Seriously,you didn't have a response to her according to your own standard, and you trolled like a moron at others breaking your own standard, then gloated about it in another thread.

 POS bud.

the honorable sportsman

I do NOT whine. Accept it, Yokel.

I didn't troll. You are here trying to be my judge & jury. I came into the thread very late (since I have a life, I don't spend all day at the blog.) As I was arriving, Midwest Troll was wiping her cyber-feet on the conservative gang here. Excepting on acaiguana; as I've said elsewhere. She left while I was reading some of the posts; the pathetic ones.

I don't hack away. Every word I write in here is well-selected for effect and for truth. I will not post something false. You ought to know that, since I exposed your racist tendencies in the past. I did indeed; your tendencies; and you had some "cohorts" just as bad here, as I recall.

You haven't forgiven me, but that's OK. You have not rebutted me either. You just squawk a lot. And you bore people.

Tumbler, the only proven raci

Tumbler, the only proven racist on this thread is you.  I can see why you thought the liberal troll won...because you think you win and prove things.  To add, you very much hack away...throwing punches like a drunk in a bar.

Eugene/Tumbler/Tumbler 2007

Eugene/Tumbler/Tumbler 2007 - how come you don't use broken english you used to use? Have you been taking english lesson lately? They seem to be working.

Hey bonehead, Tumbler, I ate

Hey bonehead, Tumbler, I ate the Midwest loser's lunch.  She still has yet to respond to any of my points in my two long posts above.  Like most libs, you know the drill, post a bunch of unrelated garbage to muddy up the works and then act like you've won a debate.  This person's response to me was the equivalent of "Oh, yeah; same to you."  I made points in my posts.  I'm still wating for even one from your side.  Loser.

Dear Smarty, help us out

Smartypants; I saw some of your stuff. It was so-so. Would you care to tell us what you said to the troll, as you ate her lunch and she failed to answer you? I must have missed it.

I know that if you show me the stuff, I'll have to confess I was wrong about you at least. Not that I really placed your neat name in the busted column; I only used two others. (They're hopping mad.) Do you really know what you said to Mama from the West, so impressived are you with it? Share it with us, Chyall.

Tumbler, You make a valid p

Tumbler, You make a valid point about the harsh retoric some use against illegal immigration. But you are the pot calling the kettle black. You come in here, don't like some peoples language and call them racist or nazi. Maybe if you took your own advise and toned down your harsh retoric you would make some headway with your message. But you are so ful of yourself you seem to think you are the decider as to who is racist and who is not. You do exactly as those you critize. You get nowhere because of that.

nonsense, chadwick of boca

You always go off on a tangent. This is a HOLLYWOOD LIB thread.

Why start again on your lame piss and moan about having been called a racist? (I don't recall Nazi)-- Let's not belabor that point so much. We lost the November elections on account of perceived racist electioneering and all the hurt feelings and bloviating about illegal aliens.

It shouldn't have happened to us. We're good Americans. Just that some can't control their anger. It poisons all the wells of our society. You see? Like you are trying to do this minute. Believe me; I'm not your enemy.

Tumbler, wasn't it just

Tumbler, wasn't it just yesterday that you were saying that we
republicans should ignore the racist claim the dems make about us republicans?
So I point out to you that you do the same thing (calling people racist) and
you don't even seem to understand. Please actually respond to my comments.

We may have lost the November elections in part because of what you say.
Don't you realize that you do the same thing?? I am trying to help you. You
seem to want to help the Republican Party. So I am explaining to you that your
methods are not working because of the same behavior you condemn. You are
right, some can't control their anger but you don't seem to realize that you
are guilty of this also.

If the thread topic is a concern to you I am glad to continue this in PM. If
you don't care just let me know and I will leave you alone. There is a reason
why people don’t like you here.

yeah, chad

Good idea. Private mail. After dinner, it's now that time in NorCal.

I'll probably be here. Send

I'll probably be here. Send me a PM and we will continue. It could be good.

I'm sure that Blonde can tell

I'm sure that Blonde can tell you about the nazi name calling. I am not trying to poison any well or be your enemy. You will win over no one with salt. Try using sugar.

Where is Blonde?

Speaking of Blonde, have any of you guys seen her lately? I miss her. She really bolsters my spirits. I need some whit and wisdom only Blonde can deliver. Or a cyber hug will do.

The difficult we do immediately; the impossible takes a little longer.  Air Force Motto

emjem says: When your brain's stuck on liberalism it self-destructs.

She's been around. Usually

She's been around. Usually at night. She does lift one's spirits doesn't she.

My goodness -- a THINKER. Tha

My goodness -- a THINKER. That's what's so appealing about elites -- they know they are superior, and they don't pass up a moment to take a look in their mirror to try to prove it. I guess it's true; I haven't been able to think for years, now. I try, but I'm just too stupid, I guess. But thanks, Tumbler, I feel better already. I not only got someone to THINK for me from now on on NB, but it looks like I get, for free, old maxims thrown in for nothing, and an occasional finger-wag. So, even though I can't THINK, I feel richer already.

Oh, well ThisnThat

I wasn't patting myself on the back. I took that route only to express my disappointment at how little thought went into these characters' hate-mail today. I guess they were kind of blinded by their fury at the Midwest Diva.

Consider right now; I'm being careful of what I say, since you're already locked and loaded to start your hatred barrage. And, I only just met you. You know; I don't really HAVE any friends I can count on here. Whereas you, I wouldn't be surprised if everybody loves you! You are a regular Stuart Smalley.

tumb...I see you are having n

tumb...

I see you are having no problem with using slang a lot here today...doesn't make you cool.

...tone it down would ya....add an e or put an asterik in or use a different word we all understand perfectly well with the same meaning....

Know what I mean?

.

dear bigtimer

No; I have to confess I do not know what you mean. If it's important, explain yourself. But only if it is. Thank you.

tumb you know exactly what sh

tumb you know exactly what shite I mean.

Simple enough for you oh wise one?

Tone It Down Tumbler

Tumbler,

Please stop misrepresenting me and my statements. I haven't said anything to you in weeks. I only chimed in when you lied about me and what I said. When I stopped responding to you, there was a message in that.

If you respect my wishes and no longer insult me, involve me or my comments in your posts, Godspeed. If you don't, and I find these objectionable comments, I will forward them through the appropriate channels. They will make a judgement about your membership.

I think that you need to tone down how you treat me and others. I am asking you to respect my wishes and leave me, my name, and my comments out of your posts. That's it. If you're not honor-bound to do that, so be it. I will just hold you to the same standards you hold others.

The difficult we do immediately; the impossible takes a little longer.  Air Force Motto

emjem says: When your brain's stuck on liberalism it self-destructs.

The liberals other &quot;IQ

The liberals other "IQ" (idiot quotient) seems to be very healthy. :-)

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

Since I stole your line you h

Since I stole your line you had to come up with something else nonsensical.  It just never ends with you people.  I'm sure your debates over IQ (please read my profile) are as factual as your political debates.

We sure don't need Dubya for a chuckle today here in liberal-land.  You guys are plenty.

Let's see.  I just had a debate the other day about liberal IQ vs. tighty righty IQ.  Our general consensus was that tightys' IQs (no apostrophe, by the way) are lacking.  Your posts so far have (note the plural use) backed up that consensus.  Thanks much.

There you go.  An argument you can understand!

so-called Midwest Mama.

so-called Midwest Mama.

You sound exactly like some Left Wing Blogger who if exposed would be known to the people on this site, who came here to play with this site, anger the posters; then laugh and giggle and run away.

Why do I say this?  You are too pat.  You probably have been somehow or other personally exposed here and now think its cute to come here an play.

As far as IQ is concerned; it has no relevance to the level you are bringing to the site.

You are definately not here to discuss squat.

ACA

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Quoted from:  'Acaiguana Notes from the Bomb Shelter' (soon to be a movie at theaters near you)

You guys never change your tu

You guys never change your tune.  Always paranoid.  Always thinking one person just MUST be another.

Amazing.

Also, I did not bring up IQ in the blogs.  You and your tighty righty buddies did that.  And you are correct, it certainly has little relevance to this blog site.

If you care to discuss squat some more I'm very happy to do it with you.  Your favorite subject, I presume?

OK Mama...I'm gonna try a lit

OK Mama...

I'm gonna try a little logic on you. You came to this site and immediately started your insults.

In turn, a few of us have decided to give back what you started.

Is this clear now?

ClearThinker (used loosely, e

ClearThinker (used loosely, evidently), you don't seem to understand that this was a wonderful chuckle for me.  Yes, I got precisely what I knew I would from the tighty righty whiney blog site.  Do you really think that you are enlightening ANYONE?

That is what's so amazing about the righty constituents.  You actually seem to believe your own drivel, thinking that you are the tough intelligencia.  We call you the FTI for short (that would be faux tough intelligencia, in case you were wondering).  Your beliefs are called self-aggrandizement in case you want to look it up.

I must say it's been fun!

Ta-ta and toodles, tighties!

Now start your next round of self-aggrandizement.  Tell everyone how you "scared" me off.  ;)

See ya troll, I've had alot o

See ya troll, I've had alot of fun at your expense.

Thanks! 

&quot;tighty righty&quot;  -

"tighty righty"  - Typical liberal activity, always looking for that next bumper sticker slogan, because that's about as deep as their thought process is on most issues.

If I tried to pull this crap

If I tried to pull this crap at daily k I would have been banned after the third post. Oh and we're still waiting for something of substance.

The Liberal "Debate" Handbook.  

she went away flattering herself

Midwest Mommy left here flattering herself because she cleaned clear thinkers and emjem's clocks.

They are, frankly, the kind of debators who give conservatives a bad name. Anybody can clean the clock of a venomous, mean-spirited poster. Just make him angrier; he'll end up self-destructing.

Mae West went off contented, but she didn't have much to beat. I hope she noticed how our editors did NOT give her the hook right off when she showed her liberal colors. She had plenty of freedom to speak her mind without apologies.

Not the way conservatives are treated over on the Left; where everything depends on how much you despise George Bush or Pro-Lifers and religious people. That's THEY'RE shibboleth; otherwise they ban you quick. We have a FAIR, open blog forum. We're the good Americans here, MidwestMama. You could learn something coming here more often. (All she needs do is ignore a small number of putzes who never contribute much more than non-stop insults.)

I didn't see anything at all

I didn't see anything at all from her that contributed to any discussion here!!!...but she sure used the word whine excessively. Waaaaahhhhhhhhhhh!!

She provided absolutely zilch

She provided absolutely zilch.  Ask tumbler to restate one point the empty head liberal provided.  I bet he can't.

Whats truely amazing is the d

Whats truely amazing is the debate turned into an insult fest, where no one really wins, yet tumbler declared her the winner.  tumbler belongs to the school of thought that if you post last you win.

CV, what is amazing is the fa

CV, what is amazing is the fact this never really qualified for a "debate" in the first place; before it degraded into elementary school name calling.

Quite disappointing to see the NB's crew get sucked into such a moronic exchange of non-wit by a nitwit. Disappointed does not do what I've seen any justice.

I think I'll sign off and try again at a later date when things grow-up.

"To bad Ignorance isn't painful..."

JAB, agreed.  And tumbler wo

JAB, agreed.  And tumbler would have gained more respect by just stating just that...that no one wins when we act like school kids, a gentle reminder to don't feed the trolls...The problem exploded when he felt the need to take sides and declared her the winner.

We Called Her Out

JAB, the simple fact is you're judging and not listening. Some people have a habit of that (shrug). You've declare the whole exercise useless and that there's no point in telling these people off. However, there is a point. The troll didn't have anything to discuss and it devolved into a cat fight. She attacked all of us but hey, you're okay, you weren't involved, you now feel safe. Good for you. Thanks for the judgement. I'm glad we could save you the embarrassment of being there in the first place.

The difficult we do immediately; the impossible takes a little longer.  Air Force Motto

emjem says: When your brain's stuck on liberalism it self-destructs.

I have found that it is bette

I have found that it is better to laugh at them, then to go to their level, because then they go away thinking they pushed our buttons.  There are times anger and frustrations get the best of me, and I usually regret it after I cool off, because I realized I was being a fool. 

emjem...Keep up the good figh

emjem...

Keep up the good fight.

tumbler...

tumbler...you're a conservative? But you argue just like a liberal, tumbler...are you sure you just aren't very confused?

If you claim to be a conservative, please don't disgrace yourself and conservatism by thinking and arguing like a liberal. Go Rudy!

Gee, guy

GEE. Maybe I am. Why don't you clue me; how does a liberal argue? I don't stand on my head, so it can't be that way. I argue in short posts instead of anthologies. My words are spoken from conviction. Liberals have none. Tell me what I'm doing wrong by your standards. Please; I mean it.

Go back and reread your first

Go back and reread your first paragrah tumbster...

You will understand...

Hey btw...have you had your friends apply to the BankofAmigo card?

LMAO....

LMAO, a real Zinger!

Your awesome cyber vocabulary, bigimer. Wow; LMAO!

Why can't you let Guy Arthur Thomas answer for himself (or theirselves) --? Are you their tortilla flipper?

I do NOT like what B of A is doing. For the record. My friends are Americans. You ought to be one of my friends, but you persist in being an ass whooole. That disqualifies you.

I am quite sure GAT will tubs

I am quite sure GAT will tubster...

LMAO!

Btw...I wil say whatever whenever I please to you, and you are no amigo of mine.

Never will be.

Adios...for now.

But remember tumbler...

But do remember tumbler, you are in good company because even Sean Hannity argues like a liberal on many nights. Begging your pardon on your request to me about the topic of arguing like a liberal, I believe that instead of answering you without some considerable thought I will instead, devote some time to my own private formula of the arguing style of a liberal and present it in a satisfying fashion at a later date. And please hold me to it. And if the shoe fits, well then 'nuff said and if you protest and swear your foot isn't that wide...well that's your decision and everyone else's to determine what they see. I have been known to be wrong at least once a year so this might be your lucky day. : )

If you claim to be a conservative, please don't disgrace yourself and conservatism by thinking and arguing like a liberal. Go Rudy!

that's wonderful, guy!

Just when I'd given up hope you might reply to my question. OK!

That's a wise step. Meditate on the idea; HOW does a liberal argue? (Disgrace himself)-- I know I'm staunchly conservative; but why you should think I argue like a liberal, frankly it worries me. Liberals like to distort the facts. They spread false rumors (Newt will take away your SS benefits), and such things. I've done some reckless things around here. But I speak the truth. What else can a conservative do? No problem, answer later on.

midm... you sound so familiar

midm...

you sound so familiar... how ya been?

...hmmm... 

... LMAO!

Wow, you use such big words.

Wow, you use such big words. I must bow at your feet oh great MENSA one. Seems that you are the only one using the whine tactic around here. How childishly pathetic and typical of a lib. ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz.........

Only those who are intelligen

Only those who are intelligent enough to be enlightened. The others we dont worry about.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

So mama..always the victim. T

So mama..always the victim. Typical liberal. All mouth no substance.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

bassndude (perhaps you should

bassndude (perhaps you should go back to fishing) - How exactly am I a victim?  That's your role, "dude", not mine.  Now get back in your dudemobile and turn the bass way up.  Then come back and show us your substance, because I am just lovin' this.

I swear this has got to be ha

I swear this has got to be hater!

Clear Thinker

Hater was a guy. This is a gal.

Try MICHELLE from MADISON.

She has a negress inflection. LOL

It's Mishy from the Maddhouse.

How do you turn up a bass? It

How do you turn up a bass? It swims in the water brilliance...

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

OMG dude.  Ok, hon, let me e

OMG dude.  Ok, hon, let me explain this to you.

Do you listen to music?  Do you own a stereo?  You see, stereos and radios have these little dials on them.  One is often called "treble", the other is called "bass".  The cute little dial can make them louder or softer.  Isn't that a wonderful ivnention?  If you need more info just ask, I'm here for you, honey.

Lordy, lordy, I do hope you are clubbing yourself right now, raising the IQ of this blog site considerably.

OMG mama! Your knuckle draggi

OMG mama! Your knuckle dragging hickness is showing. No, I dont own a stereo, but I do sometimes listen to music. But only classical. We dont turn up bass and treble on Bach or Strauss or Scott. Their music is not that crude. You should try listening sometime. Perhaps your disdain level would drop and your IQ would go up. And yes, "...club a liberal" is promoting knocking some sence into one. 

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

Midwest

Listen Honey (that would be you Midwest)...here or at any messageboard forum...SPELLING NAZIS are outlawed. You corrected someone on your and you're and now you have ivnention...should I play SS and call attention to your "ivnention" or should we be about ideas and overlook such petty shortcomings in ALL humanity.

No deary, between both ends, conservative and liberal, SPELLING NAZIS are left behind in junior high. No one here is in a spelling bee nor is anyone interested. So get off your STUPID stick and stick with ideas...we are grown-ups and overlook such minor foibles of humanity.

If you claim to be a conservative, please don't disgrace yourself and conservatism by thinking and arguing like a liberal. Go Rudy!

Yes, of course, dearie.  You

Yes, of course, dearie.  You "overlook such minor foibles of humanity" in your generous and open minded little blog site such as Joy Behar misspeaking.  Far from you tighty righty types to hatefully harass anyone for such a "minor foible" as saying the wrong name.  FAR FAR from it.  After all, YOU are all grown ups here.

Puhleeeeeease.  Your stick is so far up I doubt you can GET it out, dahling.

Typical liberal crap!!! Yo

Typical liberal crap!!! You show us the great wall of your Mensa-esque wisdom yet upon further inspection we can find it's made of paper. Joy's misquote IS NOT THE ISSUE. Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity were both crucified for making fun of Sen. Kennedy's Osama/Obama misquote. That is why it's NB worthy. If a conservative did that there would be calls for a hanging. Joy and her hatred get a free pass because she's consumed by the vile hatred called liberalism. Oh I'm sorry. You prefer "Moderate" now.

Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realizes that it bears a very close resemblence to the first.

- Ronald Reagan

Complain as you must Midwest...just drop the Spelling Nazi...

Complain and object...obviously all are invited...but please drop the Spelling Nazi, you've already failed your own test on that. As far as Behar...the problem isn't misspeaking it is her constant and deliberate misrepresentations that make her a legitimate target for criticisms. Certainly if truthfulness where one of her outstanding characteristics one could easily see an article like that as petty but in this case it is par for the course with this broom wielding View Klux Klan member. Now...on with the show and the challenge of ideas. For the record...dearie...I am a moderate so at least insult me with an appropriate name. But at least you have a little edge to you. ; )

If you claim to be a conservative, please don't disgrace yourself and conservatism by thinking and arguing like a liberal. Go Rudy!

She's dead, Jim, er, Guy. Cu

She's dead, Jim, er, Guy. Cut down in the prime of her trollish little life. What a shame.

Save the environment. Chop down a liberal.

Nancy Grace is doing a wonderful job

Nancy Grace is doing a wonderful job of late. She really brings out the self loathing in the liberal criminals she goes after. Word is some kill themselves after a good lashing.

How do you turn up a bass? It

How do you turn up a bass? It swims in the water brilliance...As for being a victim, read your posts. They are littered with little complaints about the way things are. You need to come to terms with that. Nobody is going to change the world just for you, your not worth it.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

Ok dude.  Not only are you r

Ok dude.  Not only are you redundant and vacuous, you are illiterate.  It's "you're", honey, not "your".

Lordy, lordy.

Oh no, an English Nazi.Usuall

Oh no, an English Nazi.

Usually it's the Spelling Nazi's that come here, so maybe this is haters mom.

bass...I'm afraid she knows n

bass...

I'm afraid she knows nothing about fishing. I know I have never thrown a stereo into the water expecting to catch any fish, and I doubt anyone else ever has. Well, I take that back, mama may fish that way.

LOL Ct....You know they are o

LOL Ct....You know they are on thin ice when they start with the english and spelling thing. A sure sign they have no argument for what your saying.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

CT, bass, for her to have gon

CT, bass, for her to have gone fishing, she might have actually have had to put one of those icky, slimy worms on a hook.  Then, if she actually caught a fish, she'd have to take one of those cold, icky, slimy fish off the hook.  Perhaps her advice to turn up the bass was an indication she uses an infrasonic generator in some manner to stun the fish to the surface.  Would that work?

"A communist is someone who reads Marx.  An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx."  Ronald Reagan

It Didn't Take Much Did It Midwest B#$%@?

OHHHHHHHHHHHH, I'm so shocked that this was just a brief foray for you, MidwestMama. Shocked, I say. Listening to you really has done a body good except you're so full of yourself you're just a bunch of empty calories. I guess word must be getting around at Daily K or Huff n' Puff that this is the site to come to for "real" entertainment. And my you're entertaining aren't you?

I couldn't care less about petty, dumba#$, intelectually empty liberals like you. As a military spouse, I have to suffer you and your "rights" to protest anything that you don't agree with. I'm just amazed you've stuck around so long, here in the United States, when you obviously can't stand Pres. Bush. Gosh, I hear that Australia needs a few more loons for a good old anti-war howdown.

To come on a blog site and pick a fight is just really an odd choice of daily pursuits. Shouldn't you be taking care of your kids and your family? Perhaps being monogomous and a responsible parent is just getting a little too old for you, sweety.

Please don't call me honey, that right is reserved for my FRIENDS and my HUSBAND. I never gave you that right and you take far too many liberities.

Oh, and dearie, you wouldn't know what tough guys are because it's obvious that it's too much work to develop your own personality and belief systems far apart from the hollyweird, liberal, Daily K crowd. You'll never know what tough is...being a military spouse and going through multiple moves and deaths of friends in the miltiary has taught me what class and a spine truly are. Believe me, sweetheart, you don't possess them, and perhaps watching documentaries that no one cares about gives you a sense of importance and relevance you truly don't feel in the real world.

Believe me, you are a waste of time to all of us and probably those who suffer you in real life. Tah, tah, troll, never missed ya. Say hi to hater and the rest. I'll be sleeping easy. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

The difficult we do immediately; the impossible takes a little longer.  Air Force Motto

emjem says: When your brain's stuck on liberalism it self-destructs.

Oh my, sweetie, you just know

Oh my, sweetie, you just know me so well.  Hateful trash that you are. 

Now go back to sleep.  Got a feeling that's how you spend most of your time, dear.

You First, Old Biddie

Wow, a troll calling ME hateful trash. What happened to the caring, grandmama, Mensa crap? I think the only trash in the room is that which greets you in the mirror each and every morning. Where's the debate? Where's the substance? We're all waiting for you to impress us with your great intellectual capabilities (if there are any).

The difficult we do immediately; the impossible takes a little longer.  Air Force Motto

emjem says: When your brain's stuck on liberalism it self-destructs.

emjem...I'm convinced that ma

emjem...

I'm convinced that mama is really hater in drag.

emjem24, she's not here to debate. She's here to pick a fight.

emjem24, she's not here to debate.  She's here to pick a fight.

There is a big difference and she's not moving the conversation along.  She's got an agenda and that is to spew anti-conservative crap all over the NB site.

ACA

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Quoted from:  'Acaiguana Notes from the Bomb Shelter' (soon to be a movie at theaters near you)

It's just like a liberal to c

It's just like a liberal to charge conservatives with what he or she is doing.  This person spouts nothing but empty drivel and then demands that I support my points with details.  Go figure.

And it is interesting how these libs come here and express anger over the fact that conservatives are expressing their opinions.   This is that "open mindedness" that we uptight conservatives can only wish we possessed.  Aw shucks!

Smartypants...I demand tolera

Smartypants...

I demand tolerance!

Boy, for a minute there I was

Boy, for a minute there I was concerned you were going to make wild, sweeping generalizations about an industry...

Liberalism in Hollywood

Hollywood is liberal for obvious reasons. Hollywood presumes to be about art, and therefore about expression. But it's also about making lots of money, and the public would be bored (and wouldn't pay for) repetitive expressions of well-established truths. Naturally, then, the only way to attract attention is to offer the unusual or anything controversial. That suits liberalism just fine, because liberals define themselves by challenging the conventional. A healthy and sane society needs people to challenge conventions.

Sadly, money corrupts art. When artists challenge conventions to make money, it no longer matters whether the challenge is real or fair. All that matters is that it makes money, even if sacred truths are trashed in the process. That's what happens when art is merely a method to make money.

Sexual conventions are the easiest to challenge, because consensual sex doesn't seem to hurt anyone. It doesn't have any immediate consequences. That's why sex is a Hollywood staple. It's easy and cheap.

Conventions are necessary. Society cannot function without them. The problem is that conventions, by definition, only work when they're supported by society. When Hollywood makes a lot of money by subjecting conventions to constant attack, it can only erode conventions. That's why conservatives get so agitated about the overall effect of Hollywood; and why Hollywood thinks they're performing a valuable function.

I hope Sandra Bullock isn't

I hope Sandra Bullock isn't the only Hollywood Actor who dislikes doing sex scenes. According to her, there's no romance, only timing, and the partner tries to get more than is scripted (this is based on one of her personal quotes in her imdb profile). Too bad we won't likely see actors refusing to do such scenes because of their absolute tastelessness when compared to reality.

"I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is to try to please everyone." - Bill Cosby

Hollywood

I believe the reason  Hollywood is liberal is due to the fact that they are listening to the MSM, which is totally negative in their portrayal of America.

It was the MSM that caused our loss in Viet Nam, and, today, they still shout about it from their ivory towers.

During WWII, the media was entirely different in that they supported the war. This, in turn, saw Hollywood support it to the point of being legendary.

What changed Hollywood? The 1960s. The TURN ON, TUNE OUT, SEX, DRUGS AND ROCK AND ROLL hippies are now running  the MSM, our schools, our government - and Hollywood.

Until they can be ridded of, Hollywood will not change, and America will be perceived a pariah around the world.

Cons vs Libs

Conservatives tend to be realists with good ideology and liberals tend to be idealist with bad reality...therefore they are far more eager to dominate the microphone. Such scribbles of humanity (the libs, particularly the Hollywood super-lib type) desire to and attempt to make the world adjust to and for them instead of them adjusting to the realities of the world and Hollywood is a very large MICROPHONE to which they are attracted...says this moderate.

If you claim to be a conservative, please don't disgrace yourself and conservatism by thinking and arguing like a liberal. Go Rudy!

Jumping around the Midwest s

Jumping around the Midwest speed bumps above... The point is.....Hollywood is Liberal....Why ?

Actors have Jobs that create Illusions, none of which relate to Real life...They get shot, but live to make another movie, even the Sex scenes are Fake (xcluding xxx movies), and the "I love you" are fakes.  And to prop up the Illuision they get overpaid to act out our fantasies, while trying to live their own. 

It's a wonder that maybe 10% of the Hollywood types have ANY mental connections to Reality. 

Actors use Blanks, Conservatives use REAL bullets.  The blanks don't work on Conservatives, real bullets make Libeals bleed.   

At Times like these, it becomes more than just a Moral Obligation to express ones opinion, it becomes a Pleasure.

Hollywood

As we are seeing on a daily basis, fame corrupts a person’s ability to think and act rationally. Due to public adoration, a giant ego is formed making one believe that their pronouncements are akin to the Sermon On The Mount and should be followed un-erringly.

We see these egoists, with no belief system of their own, strutting around, thinking they are accomplishing something in the world, while, in reality, they are only making fools of themselves.

Next patient, please!