It's interesting how some network TV reporter blogs show more interest in examining liberals than the network news product does. In his Media Reality Check yesterday, Rich Noyes reported that the networks have yet to touch the controversy over the anti-religious bloggers John Edwards hired for his presidential campaign website, and yet ABC Nightline anchor Terry Moran really got the ball rolling in the blogosphere on the story when he asked if a Republican would be ignored with smash-mouth bloggers like that.
Moran's blog now features a post on the liberalism of Hollywood. Moran says what Jake Tapper didn't quite say in his report on the political importance of Tinseltown...as a Democratic power center: "Hollywood money is a crucial factor for any Democrat who seriously wants to be president. You simply cannot get the presidential nomination of the Democratic Party--and you cannot win the White House as a Democrat--without the money-raising muscle of Hollywood." Do the top producers snip lines like this, lines of simple common sense?
Moran said this makes the Clinton-Geffen-Obama spat important: "The whole incident demonstrates that fact once again, and it also reminds us how liberal Hollywood is. A conservative Democrat or a Republican is simply not going to find anywhere near as much money out here as a liberal--a 'real' liberal. Why is that? Why is Hollywood so liberal?"
And why won't Moran explore this on television, on Nightline?
The anchor explained that this was not always so, that studio chiefs used to be Republican Party officials, that "Irving Thalberg led the effort to defeat progressive Democrat Upton Sinclair when he ran for California governor in 1934 on a platform of ending poverty in the state. Daryl Zanuck was a staunch Cold Warrior who, like many moguls, helped enforce the notorious blacklisting of actors, writers, directors and others who might have had some association with communism. And Walt Disney was a deeply anti-union, anti-communist social conservative."
Now Sinclair was a raging socialist, not some tame New Deal Democrat, and the presence of communist directors and screenwriters in Hollywood does tend to at least rebut in part Moran's notion of a much more conservative entertainment capital back in the day.
Moran has a theory that Hollywood is liberal because sex sells:
The cash Niagara of more explicit, more sexually liberated movies has had a political consequence, it seems to me. Imagine, for a moment: If social conservatives had their way and American culture was remade in the manner they advocate--Hollywood would take a beating. Movies would change--they'd be less sexually suggestive, less "transgressive" of middle-class morality, less likely to champion lifestyles at odds with "traditional values." (They also might be a lot more boring--but that's beside the point.) And the big moguls would make less money--a lot less. (Artists would certainly and rightly rebel against the constraints on their freedom to imagine and depict the world--but I'm not talking about artists. I'm talking about businessmen and businesswomen.) So: Sex sells. And that shapes Hollywood's politics.
I'd say an easier theory is that liberals flocked to Hollywood because they (A) craved the natural human desire for fame and fortune and/or (B) realized that entertainment is a force of mass persuasion. There's one major flaw in Moran's argument here: family-friendly "middle-class morality" movies have often been box-office smashes. Moran ought to know that. He works for Disney.
—Tim Graham is Director of Media Analysis at the Media Research Center















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I read a new post earlier t
February 23, 2007 - 07:25 ET by Right2thePointI read a new post earlier this morning that was slamming and damming Fenton Communications.
Where did it go?
What really happened here?D
February 23, 2007 - 07:56 ET by Right2thePointWhat really happened here?
Did you decide if you left it there you would have to lawyer up or what?
Moran has a theory that Hol
February 23, 2007 - 07:49 ET by motherbeltMoran has a theory that Hollywood is liberal because sex sells...
Sex doesn't always sell. Brent Bozell has pointed out that many times the highest earning movies at the box office tend to be the family films, G and PG rated. Other family-oriented organizations, and Michael Medved, have published similar studies. Hollywood ignores these studies and findings, and continues to crank out films filled with violence, profanity, and sex. So apparently they are making the kind of movies they want to make.
Which would say that it isn't
February 23, 2007 - 08:35 ET by rimskyWhich would say that it isn't just about money. Hollywood chooses to project the dark side, and they are.. proud of that.
Bingo! Apparently they wou
February 23, 2007 - 09:15 ET by motherbeltBingo! Apparently they would rather lose money than make the kind of movies that those "right-wing nuts" and "evangelicals" want to see.
That's also why they make TV shows bashing Jesus, Christianity, the Catholic Church, saints, whatever... not because they are big moneymakers, but because they can use their "art" to denigrate. They cry "artistic freedom". But if anyone proposes a boycott of the TV show or its sponsors, then they howl about "censorship." Apparently they are allowed to make their point freely, but no one else is.
This has been going on for a
February 23, 2007 - 10:07 ET by DyneThis has been going on for a long time, even back when Warner Bros. Studios were producing the old Looney Toons cartoons. There's been a debate for a long time on whether they were produced for a target audience of children or adults. The answer is neither. According to Chuck Jones, the cartoons were made for the writers because those were the ideas they came up with and that was what they wanted to make.
"I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is to try to please everyone." - Bill Cosby
I believe that a major reason
February 23, 2007 - 08:44 ET by Dave659I believe that a major reason Hollywood is liberal is that actors, directors, and executives believe a liberal stance gives them an aura of virtue that compensates for the sleaze and greed that mark their careers and personal lives.
The idea that only "sexy
February 23, 2007 - 09:23 ET by SmartypantsThe idea that only "sexy" movies make money is preposterous. As pointed out above, most of the movies on the all-time earnings rankings are PG rated. The truth is that Hollywood has increasingly become a politically idealogical town, where actors and directors are no longer content to keep their politics and work separate. When Michael Moore won an Oscar for a phony documentary slamming Bush, it was made patently obvious what is going on out there. It was just a year or two ago where every Best Picture nominee for the Academy Awards was some liberally-slanted movie that nobody watched; yet the Hollywood power types did not seem to care.
Hollywood is liberal for a number of reasons. First, the intellectual capital out there is limited at best. Many of the most powerful and rich people have little education, especially in economics or finance or science. Second, there is an inbred mentality, where those who want to rise through the ranks are expected to tow the line. Third, liberalism allows the ultra rich and powerful an outlet for their guilt, to demonstrate that they really care while not having to actually give up anything personally.
Interesting phrases you use
February 23, 2007 - 14:09 ET by MidwestMama"Phony documentary", "every best picture nominee .... nobody watched", "inbred mentality", "outlet for their guilt". Let's see examples rather than just little catch phrases. "Phony documentary" means what, precisely? No one saw the movies nominated for best picture? Really? (I did.) Did they all lose money because "nobody watched" them?
Your statistics on this came from where exactly? People in the arts world having a political opinion is so shocking to you that you must label it "inbred mentality" and an "outlet for their guilt"?
If you wish to speak of outlets, what I've read on this little blog site indicates that it is purely an outlet for the usual nonsensical right-wing rage which, as usual is minus anything meaningful or particularly factual. Just the same ol' same ol', traditionally whined by right-wingers afraid of anything that upsets their status quo.
Yet another outlet for uptight conservatives to whine back and forth to each other.
Hey genius, I'm writing a lit
February 23, 2007 - 14:40 ET by SmartypantsHey genius, I'm writing a little blurb response to a web blog, not an encyclopedia entry. It is not incumbent on me to back up what is obvious hyperbole with detailed listing of facts. Liberals wrote the book on emotionally empty arguments, so be careful what you charge. I can provide specific examples of liberal blathering without the slightest support, not just on a webpage, but from actual liberal politicians.
Michael Moore's documentary was shown to be unfairly skewed towards his cause. As he always does in his movies, he intentionally took quotes out of context, left out key information and mispresented other details. It was not a "documentary" at all, given that documentaries should have some semblence of objectivity. Moore is not an objective person and he is not going to produce objective work. Even military personnel who were included in the film have since come out and stated they were taken entirely out of context. Moore is a filmmaking gypsy.
"Nobody watched" -- Again, my hyperbole. All of the Best Picture nominees in the year I references were horrible box office performers--all of them. The fact that you went to see them says more about you than it does the movies. Further, it is not relevant what you went to see.
Hollywood does have an inbred mentality. How many conservatives are there in Hollywood? How many oustpoken conservatives are there? Name some. Even the ones you can list are those who are already established in their careers. Young actors, directors, writers, etc., who may be conservative, are wise to not speak their minds too hastily.
"Nonsensical right wing rage" Yeah, as opposed to that left wing rage, which makes all the sense in the world. "Uptight conservatives" -- As opposed to those loose and fancy free liberals I always see at anti-war rallies or screeching for animal rights or agains religion. etc. Liberals are so fun-loving, aren't they?
I love when you libs think you've made a point while not making the slightest one even if judged by generous standards.
Hollywood is a liberal bastion and people like George Clooney, Susan Sarandon, Sean Penn et al, are a bunch of hypocrites who feel rules do not apply to them. They live in immense wealth while decrying "the rich" and they believe they are better simply because "they care". My points all still stand; you have been defeated. Now go away.
Smarty...I love your comment
February 23, 2007 - 14:44 ET by Clear thinkerSmarty...
I love your comment about the inbreeding of the Hollywood types. Considering these folks sleep around with each other, I'm betting DNA testing would be a hoot!
Well, actually, Clear I was b
February 23, 2007 - 14:50 ET by SmartypantsWell, actually, Clear I was being mostly metaphorical when I wrote that. I think Hollywood is "inbred," certainly in terms of its intellectual dynamics; however, you do bring up an interesting point. Maybe they all really are genetically linked; that would explain much.
Love it when you back up an argument this way
February 23, 2007 - 14:59 ET by MidwestMamaSmartypants you sure got me!
Supporting yourself with the usual whine of "well liberals do it too" sure did make your case. ("I can provide specific examples of liberal blathering without the slightest support, not just on a webpage, but from actual liberal politicians.")
P.S. - Look up the word "generous" in the dictionary. I think you'll find that you've misjudged its meaning.
NIce comeback there, Mama.
February 23, 2007 - 15:05 ET by SmartypantsNice comeback there, Mama. You're pitiful.
And, yes, I did "get you," more than you'll ever know.
Again ........ when a tighty
February 23, 2007 - 15:20 ET by MidwestMamaAgain ........ when a tighty righty has no argument and yet still cannot just let something go, he/she eternally uses the "I got you more than you'll ever know" theory. This because, of course, you have absolutely nothing to say.
Sigh. That gets SOOO old.
Ok - now go ahead with your next line: "no, no, it's YOU who can't let it go, it's YOU." HAR. Took the words right out of your little uptight wrinkled mouth, I know.
How many of you think this is
February 23, 2007 - 15:25 ET by Clear thinkerHow many of you think this is hater ?
Count me as one.
No...
February 23, 2007 - 15:30 ET by Guy Arthur ThomasOk Midwest, I believe it is either your nappy time or your meds time or both but either way, please change your depends diaper along those two and come back when you've settled down and found a way to explain why the Democrat Party Presidential candidates are shooting each other before the party has even started. Do all you libs come from the ghetto or do you just favor that kind of lifestyle?
If you claim to be a conservative, please don't disgrace yourself and conservatism by thinking and arguing like a liberal. Go Rudy!
Mama, we're all still wating
February 23, 2007 - 15:39 ET by SmartypantsMama, we're all still wating for YOUR arguments. Where are they? As Al Pacino said in "And Justice For All," you forgot to bring your case!
You make some stupid charge, that all conservatives are uptight. I show how liberals are just as uptight. That doesn't count, though, because I'm just saying what you said back to you. Please. I'd have an easier time debating my left shoe.
Our first 'Midwest' Troll.
February 23, 2007 - 14:47 ET by acaiguanaOur first 'Midwest' Troll.
You are insulting, rude and obnoxious.
ACA
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Quoted from: 'Acaiguana Notes from the Bomb Shelter' (soon to be a movie at theaters near you)
Then Why Are You Here MidwestMama?
February 23, 2007 - 14:57 ET by emjem24Look, MidwestMama, why the hell are you on this "little ol' blog" then? It speaks volumes that you're on here whining about our "whining." You liberals whine about everything from spanking one's children to whether global warming gives children fevers. Go whine on Daily K or Huff n' Puff because trolls don't last long here. I'm neither uptight nor do I whine...that's liberal classification for those who don't agree with them, isn't that right, MidwestMama? You're only on here to pretend that you're trying to get us "uptight, whining right-wingers" to know our place in your tight-fisted, narrow universe. You've said nothing of quality or even substance and I think that says a lot more about you and other liberals than it does about NB. Have fun getting smacked around.
The difficult we do immediately; the impossible takes a little longer. Air Force Motto
emjem says: When your brain's stuck on liberalism it self-destructs.
emjem honey, you have no idea
February 23, 2007 - 15:07 ET by MidwestMamaemjem honey, you have no idea how you have made my day. Hearing you whine even more because of a few sentences I've written (so far) is exactly the reaction anticipated. Yes, I'm aware that you blowhards think you are tough guys who scare away people who disagree with you, when in fact I will leave this little whiner site because today I had my fun but will not waste more time on you. Listening to the next DubyaFlub will provide enough humor without returning here.
Now go ahead, boast to everyone how you have "scared me off" and then proceed to whine about your next perceived slight by someone who couldn't care less about you. Trust me, dear, you and your tightie rightie friends are the only ones who think you are "smacking" someone around.
Ooooooooooohhhhhhhh. There you go. That was me being scared. Will you sleep better tonight, dear?
This represents proof positiv
February 23, 2007 - 15:15 ET by SmartypantsThis represents proof positive of why one should never debate a fool. Fools never know when they've been defeated. Are there any intelligent liberals out there? I'd love to meet one actually.
And also, why one shouldn't
February 24, 2007 - 16:37 ET by RowaneAnd also, why one shouldn't feed the trolls.
Mama...A few days ago there w
February 23, 2007 - 15:19 ET by Clear thinkerMama...
A few days ago there was an argument going on here at NB concerning the IQ's of liberals vs conservatives. The general consensus (I love this phrase now) was that liberals IQ's were lacking. Your posts so far today has backed up that consensus. Thank you.
Hey Midwest Heffer is a MENSA
February 23, 2007 - 15:24 ET by mastersofdeceitHey Midwest Heffer is a MENSA! Rolling on floor laughing my ass off.
Did they lower the standards? I thought you had to be able to construct a coherent thought.
Proof positive you didn't mak
February 23, 2007 - 15:27 ET by MidwestMamaProof positive you didn't make the cut, darlin'!
Riiight. You're a member of M
February 23, 2007 - 16:28 ET by mastersofdeceitRiiight. You're a member of MENSA, like I'm playing center for the Lakers.
Ooops. Page Not Found.
It's possible that was a typo
February 23, 2007 - 16:39 ET by Uncle JohnIt's possible that was a typo on her page, and it was really supposed to say "MENOPAUSAL"...
Save the environment. Chop down a liberal.
If your MENSA material, answe
February 23, 2007 - 16:33 ET by bassndudeIf your MENSA material, answer this. Which came frist, the chicken or the egg? Every mensa knows this from first grade.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
So many liberals were taking
February 23, 2007 - 15:28 ET by Clear thinkerSo many liberals were taking the MENSA test that they had to start grading on a curve!
wasn't emjem bragging?
February 23, 2007 - 16:44 ET by tumbler_2007Nobody gave a hoot when emjem24 bragged about her two master's degrees. Aren't they somewhat another form of elite status? I mean, she was preening as if nobody but she had ever been a teacher, etc.,
But you guys all camp on the MENSA megillah? (Same shit, haha!.)
Yet Another Attack, Eh Tumbler
February 23, 2007 - 16:54 ET by emjem24The only reason I'm responding to you, Tumbler, is to set the record straight. I have one bachelor's degree and one master's degree. But then the whole point of your attack was to draw me out to attack me some more. Also, I didn't mention it for any elite status points, I mentioned it in the context of a larger debate with you, I think. I preen? Believe me, I'm not the only teacher out there but I will be the one that will call you out for outright misrepresentation. You, the biggest hypocrite on here, preens about being a hero for illegal aliens everywhere. Give me a break. Save it for La Raza.
The difficult we do immediately; the impossible takes a little longer. Air Force Motto
emjem says: When your brain's stuck on liberalism it self-destructs.
please, emjem dear
February 23, 2007 - 17:12 ET by tumbler_2007Believe me, please. I didn't single you out. The only reason I mentioned you is that you and "clear one" (Ha!) were beat up pretty badly by that troll from the Midwest. She gave you such a paddling.
Then I scanned up to see how you two were posting to HER. Pathetic! All you did was crumble, all the while posting shitty little insults. The way kids do it in school to one another. Nya nya nyanya nya-a! Laughing about MENSA-- somebody in the thread I can't recall if you were. And the idea that "clear thinker" is upholding our conservative honor against a mudhen liberal like her-- and couldn't make a DAMN POINT. Just Nya nya nyanya-a--a! You actually had her resembling a MENSA heavyweight.
Now you spring at me; --MORE insults! Have you ever spoken intelligibly without name-calling? "Save it for La Raza?" Is that what the Masters prepared you for? You might go back and ask em for a tuition refund, Lady.
You Have No Right
February 23, 2007 - 17:38 ET by emjem24Do you ever wonder, Tumbler, why so many people don't respond to you? Why they don't take you seriously? Here's a reason: you attack them. Did you really expect me not to find out what you did and what you said? Did you really think you'd get away with it? You are merely an online bully. I am going above your head.
The difficult we do immediately; the impossible takes a little longer. Air Force Motto
emjem says: When your brain's stuck on liberalism it self-destructs.
This is hilarious.... Tumbler
February 23, 2007 - 19:08 ET by Clear thinkerThis is hilarious....
Tumbler sticking up for Midwest Mama.
Tumbler must be getting desperate for companionship.
what is it, a prize fight?
February 23, 2007 - 19:25 ET by tumbler_2007Sticking up for??? Were we expecting tumbler to join ranks with the clear one and emjem? Against that Baaad Midwest yo Mama? I certainly would have been honored to support any useful remark you two made. All we see you do today is jerk off; Hey-- I think it's hater! You got your butt kicked by a liberal troll because you don't know anything to say, nothing except BS and insults. You can't win debates so you sling shit. She enjoyed locking horns with you. It ain't my fault nobody gave her a comeuppance. Maybe she'll come back. I promise you she won't go home thrilled about meeting ME.
I point out how easy it was for that troll, to walk all over you and that means I was defending her???
Sorry, Chum. What you need is somebody who loves you and thinks you walk on water because you're half vast conservative. Well, if you do it I shall definitely love you and support you. I just suspect you would sink like a rock. That has nothing to do with helping out Mae West.
Hey tumbler, I think you are a bit over the line on this.
February 23, 2007 - 19:35 ET by acaiguanaHey tumbler, I think you are a bit over the line on this.
You jumped in and criticized people and you had no real dog in the fight, did you? And you skipped out on any chance to deal with the person directly, didn't you?
So, now people are feeling a bit angry with you for your unasked for attacks and you have to resort to crudity to deal with that?
I would strongly suggest you back down here, tone it down here and let it go. In the future if you feel so strongly about someone, there is a PM system on the site. If you think you need to publically chastise the people posting here...
Well, check out MWMommies dead end road, huh?
ACA
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Quoted from: 'Acaiguana Notes from the Bomb Shelter' (soon to be a movie at theaters near you)
ACA...This is tumblers MO. I
February 23, 2007 - 19:41 ET by Clear thinkerACA...
This is tumblers MO.
I gave up responding to him because he is such a hateful person.
Playing with MidwestMama was fun, playing with tumbler is a complete waste of time.
I agree.
February 23, 2007 - 19:49 ET by acaiguanaI agree.
However MidwestMomma was a pure troll. I don't want to speculate beyond sanity here but I pretty much posted what I thought she was. When these type of Trolls come here, it's best to ignore them and PM the Administrators.
They are here to spew junk all over the site, which makes the site look bad; it also makes the responders look bad. I responded to her directly about her being here at all.
She thought she was cute; and putting all the Mensa stuff in her profile was a deliberate calculation to upset people.
I think you will find that truly intelligent people do not behave the way she was behaving and derive zero pleasure out of taking what had started out as a really nice day and dumping crap all over it.
Jim, by Hillarie Bellock <cite>
ACA
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Quoted from: 'Acaiguana Notes from the Bomb Shelter' (soon to be a movie at theaters near you)
ACA..I read more than I blog,
February 23, 2007 - 19:57 ET by ThisnThatACA..
I read more than I blog, but I noticed such a sharp contrast in her tone vs. what I read from others at NB. It's one of the reasons I can't stand to go to those other blogs, or why I couldn't take more than 2-3 minutes of Air America. No sense of balance; no attempt at common sense; no ability to reason -- just a lot of hate.
How do they stand it?
to tell you the truth, ACA
February 23, 2007 - 19:59 ET by tumbler_2007Frankly; you are about the lone post in the thread that gave more than you got out of the Midwest troll. I was about to state it, Clear, Emjem Spankypants, and ACA; total losses. Then I took a back glance. You made good points at the MooMama. So, I didn't criticize. I only saw the glaring deficiencies of our Pals. But anyway; you're still angry. My remarks are over the top. Yippeeee!
Hell, no. A liberal troll isn't supposed to crunch any of us! It shouldn't require hurling hate rhetoric to make the troll back off; it can be done on substance. It takes THINKING to rebut a slick liberal like MisMae West of recent fame here in NewsBusters. --As long as I'm on my soap box; here's another finger-wag.
It's no disgrace when you don't have adequate skills or knowledge to carry an argument. But when a person who hasn't got them substitutes Beavis & Butthead silliness, hatred in every word, disrespect for the opponent totally out of control, --that person really has no call to say ANYTHING! The old maxim is; If you can't say anything good --Don't say anything! My feelings are always this: If I can't say something that I can be proud of, I'll say Stay out of this thread (to myself.) Notice I do not contribute to very many threads, I pick the spots. You pick some yourself, and pass on most of em.
TUMBLER
February 23, 2007 - 20:06 ET by SportPoliticsYou whined and whined about how others posted to Michelle from Madison, but instead of setting an example you became her cohort.
I see aca has well pointed that out. I also see in another thread, after you hacked away here, no better than the troll M&M, you cackled and posted joyously that she "spanked everyone here".
Seriously,you didn't have a response to her according to your own standard, and you trolled like a moron at others breaking your own standard, then gloated about it in another thread.
POS bud.
the honorable sportsman
February 23, 2007 - 20:31 ET by tumbler_2007I do NOT whine. Accept it, Yokel.
I didn't troll. You are here trying to be my judge & jury. I came into the thread very late (since I have a life, I don't spend all day at the blog.) As I was arriving, Midwest Troll was wiping her cyber-feet on the conservative gang here. Excepting on acaiguana; as I've said elsewhere. She left while I was reading some of the posts; the pathetic ones.
I don't hack away. Every word I write in here is well-selected for effect and for truth. I will not post something false. You ought to know that, since I exposed your racist tendencies in the past. I did indeed; your tendencies; and you had some "cohorts" just as bad here, as I recall.
You haven't forgiven me, but that's OK. You have not rebutted me either. You just squawk a lot. And you bore people.
Tumbler, the only proven raci
February 23, 2007 - 20:40 ET by Conservative VoiceTumbler, the only proven racist on this thread is you. I can see why you thought the liberal troll won...because you think you win and prove things. To add, you very much hack away...throwing punches like a drunk in a bar.
Eugene/Tumbler/Tumbler 2007
February 23, 2007 - 20:48 ET by florida_chadEugene/Tumbler/Tumbler 2007 - how come you don't use broken english you used to use? Have you been taking english lesson lately? They seem to be working.
Hey bonehead, Tumbler, I ate
February 23, 2007 - 20:29 ET by SmartypantsHey bonehead, Tumbler, I ate the Midwest loser's lunch. She still has yet to respond to any of my points in my two long posts above. Like most libs, you know the drill, post a bunch of unrelated garbage to muddy up the works and then act like you've won a debate. This person's response to me was the equivalent of "Oh, yeah; same to you." I made points in my posts. I'm still wating for even one from your side. Loser.
Dear Smarty, help us out
February 23, 2007 - 20:41 ET by tumbler_2007Smartypants; I saw some of your stuff. It was so-so. Would you care to tell us what you said to the troll, as you ate her lunch and she failed to answer you? I must have missed it.
I know that if you show me the stuff, I'll have to confess I was wrong about you at least. Not that I really placed your neat name in the busted column; I only used two others. (They're hopping mad.) Do you really know what you said to Mama from the West, so impressived are you with it? Share it with us, Chyall.
Tumbler, You make a valid p
February 23, 2007 - 20:55 ET by florida_chadTumbler, You make a valid point about the harsh retoric some use against illegal immigration. But you are the pot calling the kettle black. You come in here, don't like some peoples language and call them racist or nazi. Maybe if you took your own advise and toned down your harsh retoric you would make some headway with your message. But you are so ful of yourself you seem to think you are the decider as to who is racist and who is not. You do exactly as those you critize. You get nowhere because of that.
nonsense, chadwick of boca
February 23, 2007 - 21:09 ET by tumbler_2007You always go off on a tangent. This is a HOLLYWOOD LIB thread.
Why start again on your lame piss and moan about having been called a racist? (I don't recall Nazi)-- Let's not belabor that point so much. We lost the November elections on account of perceived racist electioneering and all the hurt feelings and bloviating about illegal aliens.
It shouldn't have happened to us. We're good Americans. Just that some can't control their anger. It poisons all the wells of our society. You see? Like you are trying to do this minute. Believe me; I'm not your enemy.
Tumbler, wasn't it just
February 23, 2007 - 21:29 ET by florida_chadTumbler, wasn't it just yesterday that you were saying that we
republicans should ignore the racist claim the dems make about us republicans?
So I point out to you that you do the same thing (calling people racist) and
you don't even seem to understand. Please actually respond to my comments.
We may have lost the November elections in part because of what you say.
Don't you realize that you do the same thing?? I am trying to help you. You
seem to want to help the Republican Party. So I am explaining to you that your
methods are not working because of the same behavior you condemn. You are
right, some can't control their anger but you don't seem to realize that you
are guilty of this also.
If the thread topic is a concern to you I am glad to continue this in PM. If
you don't care just let me know and I will leave you alone. There is a reason
why people don’t like you here.
yeah, chad
February 23, 2007 - 21:35 ET by tumbler_2007Good idea. Private mail. After dinner, it's now that time in NorCal.
I'll probably be here. Send
February 23, 2007 - 21:42 ET by florida_chadI'll probably be here. Send me a PM and we will continue. It could be good.
I'm sure that Blonde can tell
February 23, 2007 - 21:35 ET by florida_chadI'm sure that Blonde can tell you about the nazi name calling. I am not trying to poison any well or be your enemy. You will win over no one with salt. Try using sugar.
Where is Blonde?
February 23, 2007 - 21:41 ET by emjem24Speaking of Blonde, have any of you guys seen her lately? I miss her. She really bolsters my spirits. I need some whit and wisdom only Blonde can deliver. Or a cyber hug will do.
The difficult we do immediately; the impossible takes a little longer. Air Force Motto
emjem says: When your brain's stuck on liberalism it self-destructs.
She's been around. Usually
February 23, 2007 - 21:45 ET by florida_chadShe's been around. Usually at night. She does lift one's spirits doesn't she.
My goodness -- a THINKER. Tha
February 23, 2007 - 20:35 ET by ThisnThatMy goodness -- a THINKER. That's what's so appealing about elites -- they know they are superior, and they don't pass up a moment to take a look in their mirror to try to prove it. I guess it's true; I haven't been able to think for years, now. I try, but I'm just too stupid, I guess. But thanks, Tumbler, I feel better already. I not only got someone to THINK for me from now on on NB, but it looks like I get, for free, old maxims thrown in for nothing, and an occasional finger-wag. So, even though I can't THINK, I feel richer already.
Oh, well ThisnThat
February 23, 2007 - 20:59 ET by tumbler_2007I wasn't patting myself on the back. I took that route only to express my disappointment at how little thought went into these characters' hate-mail today. I guess they were kind of blinded by their fury at the Midwest Diva.
Consider right now; I'm being careful of what I say, since you're already locked and loaded to start your hatred barrage. And, I only just met you. You know; I don't really HAVE any friends I can count on here. Whereas you, I wouldn't be surprised if everybody loves you! You are a regular Stuart Smalley.
tumb...I see you are having n
February 23, 2007 - 19:37 ET by bigtimertumb...
I see you are having no problem with using slang a lot here today...doesn't make you cool.
...tone it down would ya....add an e or put an asterik in or use a different word we all understand perfectly well with the same meaning....
Know what I mean?
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dear bigtimer
February 23, 2007 - 20:03 ET by tumbler_2007No; I have to confess I do not know what you mean. If it's important, explain yourself. But only if it is. Thank you.
tumb you know exactly what sh
February 23, 2007 - 20:40 ET by bigtimertumb you know exactly what shite I mean.
Simple enough for you oh wise one?
Tone It Down Tumbler
February 23, 2007 - 19:06 ET by emjem24Tumbler,
Please stop misrepresenting me and my statements. I haven't said anything to you in weeks. I only chimed in when you lied about me and what I said. When I stopped responding to you, there was a message in that.
If you respect my wishes and no longer insult me, involve me or my comments in your posts, Godspeed. If you don't, and I find these objectionable comments, I will forward them through the appropriate channels. They will make a judgement about your membership.
I think that you need to tone down how you treat me and others. I am asking you to respect my wishes and leave me, my name, and my comments out of your posts. That's it. If you're not honor-bound to do that, so be it. I will just hold you to the same standards you hold others.
The difficult we do immediately; the impossible takes a little longer. Air Force Motto
emjem says: When your brain's stuck on liberalism it self-destructs.
The liberals other "IQ
February 23, 2007 - 15:25 ET by MightyMouthThe liberals other "IQ" (idiot quotient) seems to be very healthy. :-)
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Since I stole your line you h
February 23, 2007 - 15:26 ET by MidwestMamaSince I stole your line you had to come up with something else nonsensical. It just never ends with you people. I'm sure your debates over IQ (please read my profile) are as factual as your political debates.
We sure don't need Dubya for a chuckle today here in liberal-land. You guys are plenty.
Let's see. I just had a debate the other day about liberal IQ vs. tighty righty IQ. Our general consensus was that tightys' IQs (no apostrophe, by the way) are lacking. Your posts so far have (note the plural use) backed up that consensus. Thanks much.
There you go. An argument you can understand!
so-called Midwest Mama.
February 23, 2007 - 15:29 ET by acaiguanaso-called Midwest Mama.
You sound exactly like some Left Wing Blogger who if exposed would be known to the people on this site, who came here to play with this site, anger the posters; then laugh and giggle and run away.
Why do I say this? You are too pat. You probably have been somehow or other personally exposed here and now think its cute to come here an play.
As far as IQ is concerned; it has no relevance to the level you are bringing to the site.
You are definately not here to discuss squat.
ACA
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Quoted from: 'Acaiguana Notes from the Bomb Shelter' (soon to be a movie at theaters near you)
You guys never change your tu
February 23, 2007 - 15:37 ET by MidwestMamaYou guys never change your tune. Always paranoid. Always thinking one person just MUST be another.
Amazing.
Also, I did not bring up IQ in the blogs. You and your tighty righty buddies did that. And you are correct, it certainly has little relevance to this blog site.
If you care to discuss squat some more I'm very happy to do it with you. Your favorite subject, I presume?
OK Mama...I'm gonna try a lit
February 23, 2007 - 15:42 ET by Clear thinkerOK Mama...
I'm gonna try a little logic on you. You came to this site and immediately started your insults.
In turn, a few of us have decided to give back what you started.
Is this clear now?
ClearThinker (used loosely, e
February 23, 2007 - 15:55 ET by MidwestMamaClearThinker (used loosely, evidently), you don't seem to understand that this was a wonderful chuckle for me. Yes, I got precisely what I knew I would from the tighty righty whiney blog site. Do you really think that you are enlightening ANYONE?
That is what's so amazing about the righty constituents. You actually seem to believe your own drivel, thinking that you are the tough intelligencia. We call you the FTI for short (that would be faux tough intelligencia, in case you were wondering). Your beliefs are called self-aggrandizement in case you want to look it up.
I must say it's been fun!
Ta-ta and toodles, tighties!
Now start your next round of self-aggrandizement. Tell everyone how you "scared" me off. ;)
See ya troll, I've had alot o
February 23, 2007 - 16:00 ET by Clear thinkerSee ya troll, I've had alot of fun at your expense.
Thanks!
"tighty righty" -
February 23, 2007 - 16:01 ET by Smartypants"tighty righty" - Typical liberal activity, always looking for that next bumper sticker slogan, because that's about as deep as their thought process is on most issues.
If I tried to pull this crap
February 23, 2007 - 16:01 ET by mastersofdeceitIf I tried to pull this crap at daily k I would have been banned after the third post. Oh and we're still waiting for something of substance.
The Liberal "Debate" Handbook.
she went away flattering herself
February 23, 2007 - 16:29 ET by tumbler_2007Midwest Mommy left here flattering herself because she cleaned clear thinkers and emjem's clocks.
They are, frankly, the kind of debators who give conservatives a bad name. Anybody can clean the clock of a venomous, mean-spirited poster. Just make him angrier; he'll end up self-destructing.
Mae West went off contented, but she didn't have much to beat. I hope she noticed how our editors did NOT give her the hook right off when she showed her liberal colors. She had plenty of freedom to speak her mind without apologies.
Not the way conservatives are treated over on the Left; where everything depends on how much you despise George Bush or Pro-Lifers and religious people. That's THEY'RE shibboleth; otherwise they ban you quick. We have a FAIR, open blog forum. We're the good Americans here, MidwestMama. You could learn something coming here more often. (All she needs do is ignore a small number of putzes who never contribute much more than non-stop insults.)
I didn't see anything at all
February 23, 2007 - 16:36 ET by gfrrmanI didn't see anything at all from her that contributed to any discussion here!!!...but she sure used the word whine excessively. Waaaaahhhhhhhhhhh!!
She provided absolutely zilch
February 23, 2007 - 20:32 ET by SmartypantsShe provided absolutely zilch. Ask tumbler to restate one point the empty head liberal provided. I bet he can't.
Whats truely amazing is the d
February 23, 2007 - 20:44 ET by Conservative VoiceWhats truely amazing is the debate turned into an insult fest, where no one really wins, yet tumbler declared her the winner. tumbler belongs to the school of thought that if you post last you win.
CV, what is amazing is the fa
February 23, 2007 - 20:58 ET by JABCV, what is amazing is the fact this never really qualified for a "debate" in the first place; before it degraded into elementary school name calling.
Quite disappointing to see the NB's crew get sucked into such a moronic exchange of non-wit by a nitwit. Disappointed does not do what I've seen any justice.
I think I'll sign off and try again at a later date when things grow-up.
"To bad Ignorance isn't painful..."
JAB, agreed. And tumbler wo
February 23, 2007 - 21:13 ET by Conservative VoiceJAB, agreed. And tumbler would have gained more respect by just stating just that...that no one wins when we act like school kids, a gentle reminder to don't feed the trolls...The problem exploded when he felt the need to take sides and declared her the winner.
We Called Her Out
February 23, 2007 - 21:20 ET by emjem24JAB, the simple fact is you're judging and not listening. Some people have a habit of that (shrug). You've declare the whole exercise useless and that there's no point in telling these people off. However, there is a point. The troll didn't have anything to discuss and it devolved into a cat fight. She attacked all of us but hey, you're okay, you weren't involved, you now feel safe. Good for you. Thanks for the judgement. I'm glad we could save you the embarrassment of being there in the first place.
The difficult we do immediately; the impossible takes a little longer. Air Force Motto
emjem says: When your brain's stuck on liberalism it self-destructs.
I have found that it is bette
February 23, 2007 - 21:34 ET by Conservative VoiceI have found that it is better to laugh at them, then to go to their level, because then they go away thinking they pushed our buttons. There are times anger and frustrations get the best of me, and I usually regret it after I cool off, because I realized I was being a fool.
emjem...Keep up the good figh
February 23, 2007 - 21:35 ET by bigtimeremjem...
Keep up the good fight.
tumbler...
February 23, 2007 - 16:38 ET by Guy Arthur Thomastumbler...you're a conservative? But you argue just like a liberal, tumbler...are you sure you just aren't very confused?
If you claim to be a conservative, please don't disgrace you