AP: US Troops Are Poor, Few Options and KIAs from rural Areas 'Disproportionate'

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Talk about creating a false dichotomy geared to discrediting a policy! The AP has generated a doosie in theirs titled "Rural America bears scars from Iraq war" and subtitled "Nearly half of U.S. soldiers killed in Iraq came from a small town".

Their main thrust is that small towns are somehow seeing their sons fall on the field of battle in "unfair" numbers.

Across the nation, small towns are quietly bearing a disproportionate burden of war. Nearly half of the more than 3,100 U.S. military fatalities in Iraq have come from towns like McKeesport, where fewer than 25,000 people live, according to an analysis by The Associated Press. One in five hailed from hometowns of less than 5,000.

At first blush this might seem to be alarming. But, when one lets that first emotive rush fade and allows a little common sense to be applied to the situation, it doesn't seem so outrageous. The fact is, youngsters from rural areas are simply far more prone to joining the military in the first place and always have been. So it is a natural matter of strict statistics that more from those areas would fall in battle. After all, there are more of them.

So, what we are left with is a naked, emotive effort to cause some sort of outrage over the perceived unfairness of this statistic, even as there is no "fair" or "unfair" component to it. It is simply a fact.

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And, in case you are thinking that it is I, rather than the AP, positing that this KIA rate is "unfair", try this paragraph from page one of the story:

There's a "basic unfairness" about the number of troops dying in Iraq who are from rural areas, said William O'Hare, senior visiting fellow at the University of New Hampshire's Carsey Institute, which examines rural issues.

A statement based on pure emotion made with no logical thought behind it. Further, it places the spotlight on the wrong issue. If we see more rural youngsters joining the military, the proper question is why aren't city kids joining in equal numbers? Why is their patriotism so lacking compared to that of rural kids?

Next the AP went on to indulge in the Left's drumbeat claim that all our soldiers are so poor that they had no choice but to join the Army.

Many of the hometowns of the war dead aren't just small, they're poor. The AP analysis found that nearly three quarters of those killed in Iraq came from towns where the per capita income was below the national average. More than half came from towns where the percentage of people living in poverty topped the national average.

This claim that our soldiers only joined the service because they were too poor to make it otherwise has been repeatedly shot down as false, but here is the AP bringing it up again.

Steve Sailer wrote in a story for UPI, for instance, that our soldiers do not hail from the poorest families on average.

Are soldiers the products of particularly poor families? In general, the enlisted ranks come from neither the top nor the bottom of society, but from working and middle class backgrounds.

And Sailer isn't the only one who has written similarly.

Yet, to the AP, it is that canard "Diminished opportunities" that are supposed to be "one factor in higher military enlistment rates in rural areas." Those poor, stupid troops that John Kerry so bemoaned are the favorite whipping boy of the anti-war left so very often.

Adding more illogic to injury, the AP quotes this William O'Hare to the effect that someone is somehow forcing our poor, desperate rural youth to go die.

Rural communities are "being asked to pay a bigger price for this military adventure, if I can use that word, than their urban counterparts," O'Hare said.

"Being asked to pay", Mr. O'Hare? By Whom? Naturally we don't get any other side of this story but that of this activist's.

It isn't until page two that we finally get some hint that it might not just be economics that drives rural enlistments.

Military tradition and patriotism run deep in rural America, and for some the drive to serve goes well beyond economics. Sometimes, the call is something even their parents don't completely understand.

No doubt the AP doesn't understand that kind of patriotism either! And it is also no wonder that this line of discussion results in little but the mention.

In any case, there is a lot of emotion spread about in this anti-Iraq war piece, but little by way of substance.

Certainly even a single soldier lost is a great burden to bear – especially for the family of that soldier -- but a discussion of this war requires some perspective that is all too often missing in such stories. We have lost some 3,000 soldiers in this war, it is true. But, by contrast we lost something like 5,000 every month during WWII. Worse, we lose over 40,000 Americans to car accidents every year! Where are the many heart rending stories about auto accident deaths? If numbers were so important we should see far, far more AP stories on deaths in auto accidents than stories about Iraq casualties.

Ah, but then the AP isn't trying to stop cars. They ARE, on the other hand, trying to stop Bush and the war in Iraq and they will use any emotional appeal to succeed in their goal, too. And this piece of junk is just another effort to destroy our president, our safety, and our efforts in the Middle East.


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McKeesport, PA is a suburb

McKeesport, PA is a suburb of Pittsburgh, and not a "small town". It is part of the greater Pittsburgh area, not isolated somewhere in Middle America. Calling it a small town is like calling one of the communities in the greater Los Angeles area "a small town" and listing its population as if it were not otherwise indistinguishable from the rest of Los Angeles.

Lefties lie; it's all they have.

I'm from Plum Boro, another s

I'm from Plum Boro, another small, poor to middle-class, section of the Greater Pittsburgh area, and I didn't enlist in the Navy because there were no other economic opportunities in the area.  I joined because I had always been interested in military aviation and the Navy provided the best opportunities for me to go flying.

That is odd that AP used McKe

That is odd that AP used McKeesport as their lead, it being only about 15 minutes from the heart of downtown Pittsburgh. If the AP did better research (Hell, I just looked up Wiki), they would have discovered that McKeesport is even more poor, with 23% below the poverty line, not 12% as reported. If this story is about rural America, McKeesport would qualify... in Bizarro World.

I would have been more impressed if they actually chose a Pennsylvania town that lost more than one person out of 24,000 in the war (Mr. Carmen was the only McKeesport resident casualty). A town like Hollisdayburg, PA (pop 5,300) would have been a much better example having lost three.brave souls in an 18-month span. This is a true small-town, outside of Altoona, with almost 9% living below the poverty line. Another small town, Bridgeport, PA (pop 4,300), has lost two brave soldiers. I consider this lazy reporting, since I found this information out in a matter of minutes.

You're right, Warner.  The r

You're right, Warner.  The real story here is "Why aren't citizens of big cities enlisting in greater numbers?"   Perhaps it's because the underlying answer may have more to do with culture, and the MSM wouldn't want small town culture to appear more admirable --- more "American" --- than big city and suburban culture.   The MSM is far more comfortable with bashing small town culture as backward and hostile.

ap is lost

New York was disproportionately hit on 9-11. This is one country under God.

You can also include right-ha

You can also include right-handed people, people over 5'3" tall, and people with eyebrows have suffered a disproportionate share. Geez! It can also be said that people from the big cities aren't as patriotic as their rural counterparts. Geez again!

If only Britney claimed she shaved her head for peace! - - - any liberal agent looking to make Britney appear sane.

Heavy rural sacrifice in wa

Heavy rural sacrifice in war is nothing new. The rural town of Bedford, Va. suffered the most per capita with the D-Day invasion of Normandy. That's why the National D-Day Memorial is located there. And many of those young men who died had signed up voluntarily before the war began.

Most of them served in the 29th Infantry, one of the first to hit the beach.

The AP has the crisis wrong.

The AP has the crisis wrong.  The real crisis is:

 "Why don't liberal urban dwellers feel enough patriotism to enlist in like numbers to their rural cousins."

Unfair?  I expect Charlie Rangel et al to be quizzed regarding this with thier usual answer being a draft. 

My question to them is "Why DON"T you encourage young liberals living in Berkeley, Manhatten, San Francisco, Seatle, and especially Washington DC to join the US Army?

Better yet.... Why not allow recruiters into highschools in San Francisco, or Harvard?

Mr Rangel, will you ask the new Chancellor of Harvard to allow the return of ROTC to its campus?

That IS the right track!! Do

That IS the right track!!

Don't expect the leftist MSM and their anti-war lapdogs to go down that road, however.

It is a viable question that

It is a viable question that could use further research right?

You could expect 60 minutes to interview college kids at Harvard and ask what they think of serving in the military.  I think that would be fascinating in many cases for the adult left to see their children spouting hatred towards the US military on CBS when they preach such tolerance.

Then interview the bulk of the people who served as electors for the Democratic Party at their last national convention and ask similar questions.

Do a comparison of the electors from the conservative side and liberal side asking "Which is more likely to have a child in the military."

Boy, those would be great and illuminating stories.

I really hate it when meaning

I really hate it when meaningless numbers are used to imply things that just aren't true!

One in five hailed from hometowns of less than 5,000.

According to the 1990 census, 24.8% of the US population was "rural" vs. urban. I don't know how rural vs. urban was defined in the census, but comparing those numbers it appears the urban population is the one carrying the burden. As far as "nearly half" coming from towns of less than 25,000, that figure is meaningless too unless we know what percentage of the total population lives in towns of less than 25,000.

Once again the MSM shows why science, math and statistics really need to be taught in school.

Added in edit: I found the Urban and Rural Definitions.

The Census Bureau defines "urban" for the 1990 census as
comprising all territory, population, and housing units in
urbanized areas and in places of 2,500 or more persons outside
urbanized areas.

I think there are two reasons

I think there are two reasons why urban kids aren't showing up in the numbers that Charlie Rangel has been alledging for years that they are.  First is that many of them can't pass the minimal academic standards, particularly in regards to English language usage.  Ebonics is taking on a toll on these kids, and even back in 1979 the guys in bootcamp who came from big cities all had to go through remedial English classes in bootcamp.

The other hurdle I've seen is that these guys can't swim.  I saw more guys wash out of bootcamp because they couldn't pass the swim tests than any other issue aside from drug use.  I guess when you're growing up in the city, with few pools and an abundance of polluted rivers, learning to swim just isn't high on the list of priorities, but you aren't going to graduate any service's bootcamp if you can't swim.

Just a few more things...

Just a few more things...

The AP analysis found that nearly three quarters of those killed in Iraq came from towns where the per capita income was below the national average.

And how does the cost of living in those areas compare with the national average?

More than half came from towns where the percentage of people living in poverty topped the national average.

Interesting. But the ones living in poverty aren't necessaryily the ones who enlisted, as the article later points out.

On a per capita basis, states with mostly rural populations have suffered the highest casualties in Iraq. Vermont, South Dakota, Alaska, North Dakota, Nebraska, Wyoming, Delaware, Montana, Louisiana and Oregon top the list, the AP found.

Again, generalizations. Are there other confounding factors? Correlation and causation are two different things.

The article offers some interesting hypotheses, but the data, though consistant with the hypotheses, does not prove or disprove them.

 Rural areas have also produ

 Rural areas have also produced a large number of presidents.

  The heart of Ronald Reagan was formed by small town values of kindness, self-reliance and personal responsibility.

Some presidential campaign tr

Some presidential campaign trivia for you all about a candidate that willfully is responsible for anti-war stance in one area and a pro-war stance in another area.  Clue:  though it sounds just like someone you know it isn't:

"Clinton's campaign tailored their pamphlets and speaches by region. In the Northeast, Clinton was portrayed as the anti-war candidate.  Meanwhile, in the South and West, where there were few people opposed to the war,  Clinton ran on the basis of a more vigorous prosecution of the war."  See www/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_elections,_1812

Clinton lost that year and that was before the internet could immediately post such hypocracies.

Be careful whom you even think about voting for.

He/She that doesn't learn from Clinton history is doomed to repeat it.

About Clinton history repeati

About Clinton history repeating itself >> This is not the first time America has had to publish many articles to convince a Clinton and New York of the merits and intent of our constitution.   The Federalist Papers 85 articles were largely written to convince New York to side against then Governor Clinton and join the Union we still now defend.

Makes me wonder about the Iraq Study group stopping at 79 suggestions what with 80 being both the congress that passed the 22 Amendment and that 80 is a great number for idea that conservatives should buy up and out many of the MSM houses. 

Hillary and Barrack do certainly though seem to be old American Whig party members these days.  It also seems likely that both these have ties to those that then defected to the "nativist Know Nothing" party.   History via Wiki.

Clinton peacetime military

Clinton peacetime military deaths:
1,245 in 1993
1,109 in 1994
1,055 in 1995
1,008 in 1996

4,417 Total

JDW

Wounded skier. Corrections have been causing time-outs so mistakes will be made.

New pro-adoption dems, what about replacing abortions?

4,417 TotalRemember all the

4,417 Total

Remember all the protests and headlines day after day about that back then?

No?

Me neither.

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"Clinton peacetime mil

"Clinton peacetime military deaths:
1,245 in 1993
1,109 in 1994
1,055 in 1995
1,008 in 1996

4,417 Total"

How did these military folks die? Was it natural causes, military actions, etc? I'm asking because I truly don't know.

Dear UN and Al Gore,

If you don't drop this global warming crap, we will invade your countries, kill your leaders, and convert you to Christianity.

I found it hereIBD is one o

I found it here

IBD is one of my favorite sites

JDW

Wounded skier. Corrections have been causing time-outs so mistakes will be made.

New pro-adoption dems, what about replacing abortions?

Military operations and train

Military operations and training are inherently risky. 

 It is an extremely rare NTC rotation at Fort Irwin California in my experience that does not have a fatality from a vehicle roll-over or a soldier run over in the dark.  During one particulalry bad week in the 1980's the 49th Armored Division at Fort Hood (Texas Guard) lost 17 of its member in several seperate accidents involving tank live-fires, aircraft crashes, falls, etc.

The key thing to note is that accidental deaths make up a large portion of the 3000+ casulties being reported in Iraq, yet the impression the media attempts to impart is that all of the deaths come from hostile fire.  Cold comfort that many deaths come from accidents that occur in the US-- I know well.

I think the key thing to note is that accidental deaths in the US forces are down due to increased emphasis on safety and a decrease in more hazarodous training while deaths due to hostile fire are up. 

deaths due to hostile fire

deaths due to hostile fire are up

From an enemy willing to sacrifice his life.

JDW

Wounded skier. Corrections have been causing time-outs so mistakes will be made.

New pro-adoption dems, what about replacing abortions?

I see this as an attempt by t

I see this as an attempt by the Associated Press to try and turn Middle America (red-staters) against this war by suggesting it is bearing a lop-sided proportion of the casualties and by continuing to promote the idea that people only join the military because they have no other options.

I view this as contemptable arrogance on the part of the AP, but in no way is it surprising.

I hate newspapermen.....I regard them as spies.....If I killed them all there would be news from Hell before breakfast. -Gen. William T. Sherman

The only thing that this fact

The only thing that this factors into is middle americas increasing disgust with our supposed "Betters" from Harvard, Yale, Manhatten etc.