LATimes: Obama Not 'Black Enough'?

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By Warner Todd Huston | February 19, 2007 - 08:59 ET

(As heard on the Rush Limbaugh Show, Feb 20th, 2007)

A very interesting piece by Louis Chude-Sokei is featured in the L.A.Times today, titled Redefining 'Black' and centered upon the question of Barack Obama's relative "blackness".

Some of you may have noticed that Barack is not getting the automatic support from African American leaders that many assumed he would get since throwing his hat into the ring for the Democratic nomination for the presidency and Mr. Chude-Sokei makes an effort to inform us as to why this might be true. Unfortunately, while it has a few good points it misses the mark in too many ways.

The main point, according to Chude-Sokei, is that Obama isn't "black enough" to get the support of the standing Black American leadership because of his White/Hawaiian/African (meaning NOT African American, but real African) heritage.

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This feeling of Obama not being "black enough" for Black American leaders to warm up to is, according to this piece, because of the growing community of immigrant blacks in the US who are not really African Americans in the way that black leaders prefer. Meaning that they aren't Americans but immigrants and they are immigrants that do not kow-tow to black American prejudices and racial political demagoguery causing Black leaders to distrust them.

And also because the immigrants are often better educated, or interested in being so, than their native born American fellows.

Naturally, Chude-Sokei completely avoids the fact that natural born African Americans are less educated and less interested in education but the inference is clearly there if the reader is paying attention.

A good proportion of immigrants tend to be better educated than African Americans, don't have the "chip" of racial resentment on their shoulder and exhibit the classic immigrant optimism about assimilation into the mainstream culture.

Now, Chude-Sokei is a professor at UC Santa Cruz, so his perspective is a bit different than the average person's and his claim that whites "exploit these differences" is absurd in the general population, even as it might be true in the University setting.

Many whites, however, exploit these differences to magnify the problems of African Americans while avoiding charges of racism. And because these differences often result in greater employment and more educational opportunities for immigrants and their descendants, they also feed tensions between native and immigrant blacks.

Like I said, this may be true in the University but it isn't that much of a factor in the rest of society.

Chude-Sokei also cites the threat to the absurd field of "Black Studies" that immigrant blacks from other nations present when they attend American Universities. It seems that immigrant blacks are little interested in this foolish field of study and for good reason. Black Studies don't further anyone's education or their viability for a career and immigrants little understand the focus placed on such nonsense. Apparently, the growing number of black immigrants attending Universities threatens the standing of these Black studies departments.

Still, this is a University localized point and has little effect on why Blacks aren’t warming to Obama too quickly. Ridiculously, Chude-Sokei seems to think the University is America itself.

Chude-Sokei also makes another key mistake common to the University set. He assumes that black pathology is still all the fault of White people. He says of immigrant blacks, "They also are less responsive to American racial traumas", as if these "traumas" are ongoing and still integral to how Blacks can fit into white society. If this were true then immigrants would find themselves in agreement with the so-called Black leadership in America who continually fan the flames of race hatred to justify their places of power.

But since black immigrants seemingly do not share that point of view, it is obvious that it is a chimerical claim that Black leaders use merely as a ruse to keep the cash flowing into their pockets.

In any case, all this goes to explain why Black leaders don't seem to be warming to Obama as far as this University professor is concerned. Obama, with this line of thinking, could possibly threaten their lock on their position as the advocates of all things black in the US.

But so what if Black leaders are not interested as much in Obama as one might think, how does that necessarily affect what the general Black American population thinks of him?

Here Chude-Sokei makes another mistake by staying so focused on the University experience and the stance of Black American leadership. As Shelby Steele, John McWhorter, and even Bill Cosby have so eloquently discussed recently, Blacks in America have developed an aberrant culture in America today. So, it really isn't the immigrant community that Black Americans find to be causing distrust -- or at least fostering an indifference to -- Obama, but the low trending culture developed by the native born.

Obama isn't "black enough" not because he might have an immigrant background but because he is educated, eloquent, smooth, and associates with whites. He eschews the thug, rapper lifestyle, the discounting of education and the general downgrading of achievement that is currently accepted by popular black culture in America today.

So, Blacks do not distrust Obama because he is an immigrant and therefore not "black enough". They distrust him because he is able and successful, smart and educated so that is what makes him not "black enough".

But, it doesn't surprise me that the L.A. Times and a University Professor completely misses the point.

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obama

You mean he's not GHETTO enough? Funny thing I noticed when discussing this bum on the job site ,any opposition is met with accusations of my being a racist! I can't  see how we can debate this bum when the conversation is shut down. An effective tool that I am curious how Hiilary,(Carville), will handle it.

You pondered how Hillary wo

You pondered how Hillary would handle this, and it reminded me of something on a different subject:

Speaking of whether Obama is "black enough" for black people....

.....is Hillary "female" enough for women? My mother, life-long liberal democrat (yes, I still love her) CANNOT STAND Hillary. She abandoned feminist ideology by staying with Bill through countless affairs. And she doesn't possess the endearing qualities that most women do - even powerful women lend to the belief that under their gameface, they are women. Hillary, well....not so much. She's an ice-cold robot.

"A society that puts equality ahead of freedom will end up with neither" ~Milton Friedman

Let's face it...according t

Let's face it...according to today's self-appointed black "leaders", being "black" isn't really just a matter of skin color or ancestry...it's a matter of subscribing to a certain set of values and political beliefs.

blackness

Or as Cedric the Entertainer said,he has "black tendencies". 

That's it. Which is why The G

That's it. Which is why The Great Stainmaker was considered by some libs to be "the first black president".

And yes, Walter. The race card is always played when it involves a black Democrat. Back in 1988 whenever I spoke against Jesse Jackson there were sometimes ignorant replies like, "Is it because he's black you don't like him?" And of course in 1993 Bill Clinton painted it as if you vote against David Dinkins for mayor of NYCity it must be because of  his skin color.

But the Dragon Lady shouldn't be affected by the race card, since she herself is already playing the sexist card with her "It's time for a woman president" nonsense. And I think if Obama and HiLIARy ever went at it in an exchange of words and insults, she would be the one to get more sympathy because she's the woman (much like when the soccer moms considered it "bullying tactics" when her 2000 opponent Rick Lazio merely walked up to her podium and placed a piece of paper on it!)

Too bad Condoleeza Rice can't

Too bad Condoleeza Rice can't be persuaded to run on the Republican ticket.  Then sHrillary and Obama could do all her debating for her.

H: If you don't vote for me it's because you are sexist!

O: If you dont vote for me it's because you are racist!

CR: They're both right, so vote for me and you will be neither sexist or racist.

"A communist is someone who reads Marx.  An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx."  Ronald Reagan

Warner, I sorta hate to agree with a Liberal Professor.

Warner, I sorta hate to agree with a Liberal Professor.

You are right in the 'jealous' factor.  But he is right in the 'black' factor.  I have it on good authority that the American born African-American (PC huh?) doesn't identify with Barack because of the cultural differences, not so much the color issue.

But it raises an even more important question that the MSM is avoiding.  They are trying to sell Americans on the guilt trip (like this professor) that a vote for another candidate would be racism.  Yet, if this is the only appeal that Obama has to the white voter (or non-black voter) why in the world would he have so much trouble rallying the black voter community to his cause?

The elephant in the living room?

This whole approach based on white guilt and black rejection of Obama due to his 'immigrant' status is an entire red herring.  Driven by politicians who don't understand Americans in general and white Americans in particular.

Isn't it odd that most of the MSM is white?  I would contend that Americans would vote for any candidate in droves if that candidate expressed ideas that were positive; clear; and mostly conservative.  America is still a conservative country, just not radically conservative.

The Liberals play on the citizen's natural sympathy with the underdog, turning that into a lever to wedge themselves into the body politic.  Conservatives play to the common sense and need for security that Americans have always had as their foundation for work, play and politics.

The sparkle that is Obama is not going to be long lived.

ACA

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Hillary Clinton says: "I want to take those profits."

You are right in the 'jealous

You are right in the 'jealous' factor. But he is right in the 'black' factor. I have it on good authority that the American born African-American (PC huh?) doesn't identify with Barack because of the cultural differences, not so much the color issue.

I am at a loss in how you think I am wrong? I am saying that it is a cultural thing. Too many blacks see Obama as not "black enough" because he is smart and successful and not a rapper thug. THAT is the cultural difference they see.

Where are you saying I am wrong?

"according to this piece,..."

"according to this piece,..."

Sorry, Warner.  I over-read this clause in your article.

Ah, well, just gulping more and more coffee to catch up with the alphabet.

ACA

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Hillary Clinton says: "I want to take those profits."

Ah HA! You may make fun of my

Ah HA! You may make fun of my spelling, but I can gitcha for your reading comprehension!! Ha, ha.

I did get the feeling you might have missed something, though, as you seemed to be agreeing with me while saying you disagreed.

It caused my tired ol' head to spin a bit, there!

Warner, Obama's "blackness" is a big big issue.

Warner, Obama's "blackness" is a big big issue.

And I think it needs to be discussed.  I wasn't actually disagreeing with all you were saying, aside from the inane reading problem I sometimes have.

I'm a little like the guy, Ted Striker, in Airplane.  His drinking problem.  My reading problem.

But, seriously, this is a big factor in Obama's candidacy and his lack of appeal in the Black voting Democrat block.

Of course, this article also insults the Black Republican.  And there are more and more of Blacks in the Republican Party.

These issues don't seem to affect the tired old Democrat talking points, do they?

ACA

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Hillary Clinton says: "I want to take those profits."

Amusingly enough, I actually

Amusingly enough, I actually heard a lefty call Obama a "Halfrican", i.e. half African, half not. I thought that was pretty amusing.

His mother was from Wichita, Kansas...not far from my home.

His mother was from Wichita, Kansas...not far from my home.

Home of KAKE TV.

:-)

ACA

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Hillary Clinton says: "I want to take those profits."

Does that make him an Afrikan

Does that make him an Afrikansan?

There went the coffee... :-)

There went the coffee... :-)

When I said not far from my home; I was referring to my childhood.

But, if Obama had actually been raised in Kansas then we'd have problems because he would have some common sense.  You wouldn't exactly know that from the MSM protrayal of Kansas in the news (well Kansas hasn't helped much in the Board of Education stuff).

ACA

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Hillary Clinton says: "I want to take those profits."

I had someone tell me the o

I had someone tell me the other day that Obama was just a sacraficial liteweight nothing fired for effect by the media that does not support Hillary.

He was described to me as the present day equivelent of a cannon load of puffed rice.

I was asked where I could describe or assert any substance to Bill or Hill. They were just shapeshifters of the 1st degree with no depth, substance or content.

An argument that is hard to dispute.

Hey, maybe Barry isn't whit

Hey, maybe Barry isn't white enough either?

"Our readers don't give a rat's ass about what you think. They want facts."

Elmore Leonard, 'The Hot Kid'.

Otheres I know say Obama wa

Others I know say Obama was promoted to excess by those that support Hillary as the ultimate strawman she can knock down and roll over.

They point out the dems were the ones to start this early presidential run compared to other years.

They propose that the reason for that is they want to get Hill out talking early, because the more she talks the more she will not be able to keep on message.

I don't know the truth of all this, but I wish I did.

Actually, I have a post about

Actually, I have a post about this at my little blog at Townhall (http://flagwaver.townhall.com if you'd like to check it out) where I give my reasoning. I think that one of the major reasons that Obama isn't getting the support in the Black community is because we see him as foreign, as not really one of us. He knows of the struggles of Blacks in this country but has not had to go through them as we have. I am not saying that is right, I'm just saying that it is; he just doesn't seem to fit in as one of us.

Also, there is the fact that Jessie, Al, and the civil rights gang see him as a threat to them. His success would invalidate the lies that they have perpetrated in the Black community for years; you know the old saw about not being able to get ahead, about the man holding us back. His success, without leaning on the civil rights groups for support undemines them and they want to hold onto their power more than anything else.

Obama will carry the Black community if he is nominated.

Obama will carry the Black community if he is nominated.

Because as you say, "When it Suits Him/Her".

The base is that Obama, even when being 'foreign' is still part of the mo' against the man.  That's the problem with Condi.  She's joined with the 'man'.

I really wish we could get a Condi or J.C. Watts to run, on any ticket combination.

ACA

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Hillary Clinton says: "I want to take those profits."

Aca,If...if...Obama gets the

Aca,

If...if...Obama gets the Democrat nomination he will carry the Black vote; but not because he's Black. He'll carry the vote because he's a Democrat and you know that Dems always carry the Black vote in Presidential elections.

And don't believe all that you see and hear; there is a great deal of respect for Condi Rice, Colin Powell and others in the Black community. There may be problems with their politics for some, but they are respected for reaching the heights they have attained.

BTW, appreciate the visit and I hope you found what you were looking for. I didn't give the name of the post (Black Like Me) in my original post here.

Well, some of my analyst buddies think he has a shot.

Well, some of my analyst buddies think he has a shot.

I'd rather not think this early in the TWO YEAR CAMPAIGN.

Gees.  I'm already worn out.

ACA

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Hillary Clinton says: "I want to take those profits."

I don't know how to say thi

I don't know how to say this to you in a PC way which will not be interpreted in the wrong way, but I will give it a try. If I state it in a less than good manner it is my bad.

Yes he is a threat to Jessie, Al and the civil rights gang, but he is not the only one.

The Cubans have been here for a much shorter time than you have and they essentially own Miami and are nearing the same in Tampa.

They have two of the four quartet cities to control the balance of elections in my state.

The way they have done this is they have fully embraced melding in and joining the political and economic process.

I have no gripe against people of color that are not white anglo saxons and I give them all the credit for their success.

Years ago we fought the race wars and everyone thought it should have been all sorted out by now.

However despite the advances earned, some have chosen to seemingly think they are being best served by being seperate but equal, the first bit of the most offensive of the barriers struck down.

Now the illegal invasion has for many years and will into the future cause damage to your position if you choose to stay the course.

Again I mean no offense, I am just calling them as I see them.

Right2thePoint,Don't worry ab

Right2thePoint,

Don't worry about being pc with me, my skin is plenty thick. You can't say anything that I haven't heard before! I take it that your point is that Blacks have chosen to be 'seperate but equal' politically; I say that Blacks have been duped into joining and supporting a Party that cares nothing about them. By being different from the usual mold, i.e. a man that thinks before he speaks, and tries to appeal to something other than emotion Obama is a huge threat to the existing civil rights cabal. They will never support him because he is breaking away from the political stereotype that has been created in many minds.

As for comparing blacks to Cubans, I think the comparison is a bit faulty. As you state, Cubans have been here much less time than Blacks, who have been here nearly since the founding of the colonies. Because of that, Blacks have become much more spread out and have a more diverse political spectrum than the Cubans in Florida. Because they are so localized, they are able to have a much greater impact on local and state politics. Blacks, OTOH are more spread out and cannot be counted on to bloc vote as the Cubans in Florida can. I mean, just in my house there is a staunch conservative (me) and a loyal Democrat ( my wife). If we don't have the same political persuasion and views in just my house, then you can imagine what the situation is like in the broader community.

As to my take why we had th

As to my take why we had the oh so early premptive strike by the little men is that they wanted to have an outside chance to grab the brass ring of the dollars of donors before Hill sucked up all the low hanging fruit and all above that level.

I don't know if they will have any success.

The financial reports will tell even in the early going.

  Wouldn't it be interesting

  Wouldn't it be interesting to see Obama debate JC Watts? (JC is also clean and articulate)  How would the MSM, the white leftists, and 'black leaders' respond to this?  Both of these guys are the wrong sort of blacks.

"How would the MSM, the

"How would the MSM, the white leftists and 'black leaders' respond to this?"  That's easy, MidAmerica.  Obama would get to say his piece, then when it was JC's turn you would hear nothing but the above mentioned groups screaming, "OREO!!!"

"A communist is someone who reads Marx.  An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx."  Ronald Reagan

Obama is black enough for the

Obama is black enough for the media to swoon, that's all that matters.  If Obama was a white Democrat (I know I've said this before) the media would barely be interested in him.  He'd be John Edwards with big ears, nothing more.

Obama

If Hussein gets nominated ( because of the media), I believe he will get almost all the black vote and the vote in the cities. He will not win the election. If Republicans nominate anyone of stature, he'll whip Osama.

NEVER,NEVER trust

Seen, Once again, I'll reiter

Seen,

Once again, I'll reiterate for the record.  The Media is going to cover the Obama Candidacy like he's feeding 5000 with a few loaves and fishes, like you could touch the hem of his Armani and be cured of disease, on and on.  I'm telling you, if the Useful Idiots covering of Clinton in 1992 nauseated you, have the Pepcid AC on standby next year.

He does though like to speak

He does though like to speak specifically to this block of voters and did so last fall with language far from worldly >>actually---he took worldly inspirational speaches from even MLK Jr. and made them strictly an urban one race political ploy.  He also is no William Stringfellow. 

Honest possible Obama add:  "De-evolve with Barack Hussein Obama."  Why didn't Biden describe him as a straight talker?

Ain't 'Identity Politics' won

Ain't 'Identity Politics' wonderful!  Just another lovely gift from the Liberal-Left.  Just imagine what's going to happen when 'the well runs dry'.  [I say while doubling my contribution to the NRA]

Many whites, however, exp


Many whites, however, exploit these differences to magnify the problems of African Americans...

Actually, professor, I believe this is what the professional race hustlers are doing, and continue to do. Think of it as job security.

Warner, someday down the road, when black studies and race hustling has (hopefully) ceased being a secure career choice, perhaps those who come after us really will live in a color-blind society.

I hate newspapermen.....I regard them as spies.....If I killed them all there would be news from Hell before breakfast. -Gen. William T. Sherman

Many whites, however, explo

Many whites, however, exploit these differences to magnify the problems of African Americans while avoiding charges of racism. And because these differences often result in greater employment and more educational opportunities for immigrants and their descendants, they also feed tensions between native and immigrant blacks.

Professor Chude-Sokei, UC Santa Cruz

You have to do a double take on this quote to fully understand the true mendacity and evil intent of people like him.

I say evil intent because how else could you describe the motives of someone who seeks to create an never-ending racial hatred and emnity for monetary and self-aggrandizement purposes?

So... apparently, people of pallor (or "whitey") actually know when they meet a "black" person who this person's ancestors were. Whether this is genetic, smell, touch, and just instinct is not elucidated.

Whatever -- whitey can immediatelty discern whether the person is of African immigrant stock; or whether they are of "slave" stock.

Based on that knowledge, they can then discriminate accordingly against the African-American.

And that explains to the race-baiting industry exactly why African immigrants do so much better than native blacks. Cunning RACISM!!

Gosh, it's all so simple when your a lib***l.

A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.

Sir Winston Churchill

Professor Chude-Sokei, UC Santa Cruz - Jack no problem.

Professor Chude-Sokei, UC Santa Cruz - Jack no problem.

He's from Santa Cruz.  That little piece of real estate is literally filled to the brim with 45-65 year old hippies with long flowing grey hair and beards, still driving VW microbuses held together with bumper stickers.  Sort of like Dave High's skull.

Get my point?

ACA

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Hillary Clinton says: "I want to take those profits."

So is Louis C-S one of them, or one of them ?

So is Louis C-S one of them, or one of them,or one of them that doesn't exist according to him or her because it's a real reparations candidate ? Maybe it's a hispanic with an agenda of spic promotion, that's need to emphasize black problems, to divert attention. LOL I guess the "Pallory" do the admissions the UCSC, and the faculty hiring...

[LOUIS CHUDE-SOKEI, an associate professor of literature at UC Santa Cruz, is the author of "The Last 'Darky': Bert Williams, Black-on-Black Minstrelsy and the African Diaspora."]

[Previously an assistant professor at Bowdoin College, Louis Chude-Sokei studies African American, Caribbean, and West African literature, music, and culture. His book, The Incomprehensible Rain of Stars: Black Modernism, Black Diaspora, is forthcoming from Duke University Press. In 1997, Chude-Sokei was a distinguished lecturer at the University of the West Indies, presiding over the opening of the Bob Marley Center for Jamaican Cultural Studies. He earned a B.A. and Ph.D. in English from UCLA. ]

Yeah, that's a race baiter all the way. It's all about race.

Congrats Warner, Rush Limbaugh just read your column here.

Congrats Warner, Rush Limbaugh just read your column here.

The whole thing.

Good work.

ACA

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Hillary Clinton says: "I want to take those profits."

Fantastic. I just wish I wasn

Fantastic. I just wish I wasn't a night worker and asleep during it!!!