Shocking Media Moment: Bob Woodward Says Democrats Voted for Iraq War

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By Noel Sheppard | February 18, 2007 - 14:22 ET

A sickeningly common theme asserted by media members around the country is that Iraq is “Bush’s war,” and that Democrats who voted for the resolution in October 2002 have no responsibility because they were supposedly misled by a president from a different political party.

Well, a fascinating event transpired on Sunday’s “Chris Matthews Show” as one high-ranking media member – the Washington Post’s Bob Woodward – fervently refuted this disingenuous media myth. And, maybe more shocking, CBS’s Gloria Borger agreed with him.

The panel was discussing the recent nonbinding resolutions voted on in Congress, when Bob Woodward said something that few in the media would dare utter with cameras rolling:

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One of the things that we forget as we’re caught in the heat of the current debate: this is a legal war. The Congress three to one in 2002 said, gave Bush the right to go to war. He decided to do it. So, you know what really amazes me is that Bush, and Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid don’t get together and say, “We’ve got to come up with a bipartisan strategy and consensus on this.” We’re all in to a certain extent in this war. And we owe it to the troops.

Amazing. Matthews then asked: “Do you think the Democrats are willing to be party to this war, or they’re trying to get disengaged from it?”

Woodward shockingly responded: “They are a party to this war. They voted for it.”

Borger then said something maybe equally astounding:

They don’t want ownership of this war, Chris. I mean, I think the Democrats are trying to have it both ways. If you definitely cut off funding, then you have ownership of what comes next.

Moments later, the following remarkable discussion ensued:

Woodward: If everyone’s thinking about politics and not the troops on the ground. Those people are our surrogates, and we owe them everything, and we can’t even reach political consensus in this country.

Matthews: But what happens when you have a country that is so divided if you just poll regular people about this war, so much against this war, but yet the commander-in-chief is for the war. How do you reach a consensus between a majority who don’t want the war, and a president who wants one? How do you do it?

Woodward: I think that people have to rise above politics and party here. And, think, I’ve talked to these people who have come back from Iraq, and in communication with some there, and they wonder: “What the hell is going on in America? What? You know, we’re here, they sent us here. And we’re talking about cutting off funding.”

Extraordinary, Bob. Bravo!

—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters.

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Scary, common sense on Chris Matthew's show.

Scary, common sense on Chris Matthew's show.

Did the set get hit by lightening?

or What?

ACA

...

Hillary Clinton says: "I want to take those profits."

It's all about the Dems compl

It's all about the Dems complete reluctance to recognize patriotism. Remember when, soon after 9-11, the furor was over whether "new" people could wear American flags on their lapels, or whether "news" people should say the word "Terroist"? I'm like the troops coming back from Iraq -- "What the hell is going on"?

BTW -- I picked this up from AbbaGav and I think it summarizes the Dems position very nicely regarding what they think about Republicans: Some Republicans question anti-war Democrats' patriotism just because we hope our troops are defeated by freedom-fighting Islamist insurgents in Iraq, even though we explicitly claim to support our troops in quite a few unspecified ways.

AbbaGav

That AbbaGrav really pegs the the sarcasmometer. I think he bent the needle around the stop, good stuff.

That's a good assessment of

That's a good assessment of them. IMO, the Libs only "support our troops" when they are getting beaten. They love to get misty-eyed over soldiers killed by snipers or EID's. When our guys are kicking a$$, they consider them little more than war criminals.

It's a start. It is not pol

It's a start. It is not politics, it's our future. The dems did vote for it, Bush took the time, made the efforts, and involved all.

Mayor G (beat terrorism) v. dems (hide from it)

JDW

Wounded skier. Corrections have been causing time-outs so mistakes will be made.

New pro-adoption dems, what about replacing abortions?

Bob Woodward's comments.

Bob is getting older and is trying to get into Heaven now.  :-^)

Wow, for a minute there, I thought I had fallen asleep and had awakened in an alternate universe. It does make a certain amount of sense, though, as there have to be a fair number of people out there in the liberal MSM who are no-doubt harboring a certain amount of anger toward the congressional dims who voted for the war.  Perhaps this is their subtle way of reminding them of it.

By letting them (congressional dims) know that this is a little more of a "you made your bed and now your are going to have to sleep in it" issue than they might be thinking (or hoping), they are thus relaying the message that not all members of the liberal MSM are prepared to let the dims off the hook as easily as the dims may have thought.

You're right, Noel. That was beyond extraordinary.

I hate newspapermen.....I regard them as spies.....If I killed them all there would be news from Hell before breakfast. -Gen. William T. Sherman

Biden wants legislation to

Biden wants legislation to rescind the declaration.

It's uncertain at this point if that would require a 2/3 majority or Bush signature.

JDW

Wounded skier. Corrections have been causing time-outs so mistakes will be made.

New pro-adoption dems, what about replacing abortions?

Biden recinded

Is that to hide the evidence postfacto? I keep having 1984 Ministry of Truth flashbacks when listening to the libs.

Biden wants legislation to

Biden wants legislation to rescind the declaration -JDW

Is that like an annulment in the Catholic Church? Are they going to say that due to circumstances at the time (they were "poor, uneducated and easily led"???) that the vote was not a valid vote, so any commitment they made was not binding?

They don't even have the stones to do what they say they want to do now: "end the war" by defunding it. They'd rather try to go back in time and make it so the vote for it never happened. Yeah, that's the ticket! LMAO!

I beleive if they get the New

I beleive if they get the New Jersey democrats involved in this, they have the capability of reversing anything -- at least, based upon past experience. And, weak-kneed Republicans will let them, with little protest and by showing no backbone.

Where is the Republican outrage on this? Good grief!

new jersey

There's too much going on in New Jersey to have enough outrage to go around.

  • Same sex marriage
  • Too many liberals
  • Superfund sites
  • Too many cars
  • etc

We use our outrage to get to work and you had better stay out of the way, trust me on this one.

I'm hoping this conservative can move to Colorado, similar politics but a better view.

From the movie "Miss C

From the movie "Miss Congeniality"....

Q: Why is New Jersey called the Garden State?

A: Because "The Oil and Petrochemical State" wouldn't fit on the license plate.

OOPS! Isn't Biden from Delaware? Did I miss something in this thread?

The good part of our history

The good part of our history with this war is that it wasn't (?) started by the Democrats.  Imagine having to talk about Al Gore and how his disagreements with military leaders would lead to his own "Bay of Pigs" as well as a complete reopening of the Pentagon Papers and JFK taking us from our "limited risk" involvement supporting the French to war and to such war it seems before even made part of public debate.  Al Gore how did being a journalist prepare you to lead foreign policy?  "Ask not what your country can do for you..."  and remember The Berlin Wall was planned and built during the Kennedy years.  

And Democrats have Andrew Jackson liking being called a "jack(arse)" that brought the Democrats their "Donkey" kind.

Read a historical hysterical in Ted Bell's ASSASIN thriller:  "How many french soldiers does it take to defend Paris?  answer:  Nobody knows, it has never been attempted."

Don't attack the messenger.

Positive Development, Still.....

This is truly an amazing event and I applaud this candor from the left.  That said Noel, still missing and what most bothers me from the self-described "compassionate" left, is how the fate of the Iraqi people are left out of the conversation.

I think it is safe to state that the majority of Iraqis are counting on us to stick with them now that things have gotten tough.  It doesn't take much thought to consider the Iraqis fate if we split.  One can just look at what happened to the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis that were butchered by these thugs when we pulled out during the Iraqi uprising against Saddam in the 1990's.  The numbers of Iraqi citizens wanting to overthrow Saddam and build a better life for themselves were impressive, they were just outgunned by Saddams militants. If the US pulls out of Iraq now they will be outgunned once again.

This split voice coming out of DC, demoralizes not just US troops but the Iraqi people as well.  Small wonder there is such infighting between the different factions now.  No Iraqi is quite sure which position to take.  If the average Iraqi citizen stands with the US now and the US bails, their vengeful enemies will not forget.  This split voice is not the message we should be sending the Iraqis that desire a western-styled government. 

It would be a true disaster if the US pulled out and left the fate of the Iraqi people to the likes of the terrorists. I would be delighted if the talking-head conversation would focus on that reality instead of what is politically beneficial to either side here.  If the talking heads persist in looking at the situation without considering the Iraqis future, at least they could explore the long-term benefit the free world/US would gain by stabalizing Iraq. Having a long-term ally grateful to the US for providing them freedom and stability in the center of the Middle East cannot be a bad thing for the US.

But as we are all too aware, despite positive events like the one in your post, Chris Matthews and his political allies have invested their own personal credibility and political future in a US defeat in Iraq.  I can only presume that is more important to them than the fate of the Iraqis, US interests or winning the war against terrorism.  It's truly a shame that the "new direction" touted by the Dems doesn't include the once well-trodden direction of compassion for the oppressed.

Who would outgun who

Correct me if I am wrong, but I understand that the Shiites now out gun the Sunnis, and if the Sunnis were not protected by American troops they would stand a chance of being wiped out. At the very least they would be ethnically cleansed from Bagdad.

The only thing that would probably save them would be intervention from Saudi Arabia.

At this point separating the combattants sounds like it would be cheaper than fixing the problem in situ, which as I understand is the current policy.

austin,Don't forget the Kurds

austin,

Don't forget the Kurds.

A premature exit would guarantee a disaster of monumental proportions in Northern Iraq.

You obviously know nothing ab

You obviously know nothing about the Kurds.  If all of Iraq had their system of security and rebuilding, we would have been out of Iraq long ago.

....please tell us more oh GR

....please tell us more oh GREAT ONE, Blarsen.(waiting with baited breath)!!!!! Tell us ALL about the Kurds, professor.

Woodward:  “So, you know w

Woodward:  “So, you know what really amazes me is that Bush, and Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid don’t get together and say, “We’ve got to come up with a bipartisan strategy and consensus on this.”

What really amazes me is that Woodward would think that Bush has the capacity to entertain ideas other than his own.  After all, Woodward has documented Bush’s intransigence on many levels.  Didn’t we just have a major national referendum in which everybody, including the American people, Bush’s daddy and friends, military leaders, and everyone else for that matter, told King George he has no clothes and that he needs to change course in Iraq?  And what was the result?  An enhanced variation of stay the course, politically named ‘Surge.’  What on God’s green earth makes Woodward think that King George would ever accept council from Nancy Pelosi and Harry Read?

Regards, Dave High

No, Dave, we didn't have a &q

No, Dave, we didn't have a "major national referendum". Wishful thinking on your part; and totally incorrect interpretation. You saying so doesn't make it so. The election resulted in very narrow majorities in both the senate and house, and the change was well within historical averages in off-year elections.

Why don't you get your facts together first, then spout off based upon the facts? It is so tiresome to have to correct you on the simple fundamentals. It's like trying to teach a child. Come back when you grow up and learn how to do this better.

TnT:I was of course referring

TnT:

I was of course referring to the national election, the conclusions of the Iraq Study Group, the opinions of dozens of active and retired military leaders, and a host of other political and non-political figures who said that a gradual pull-back was the best course of action and not an escalation.  Bush ignored them all and surged forth. 

In the future, please don’t deride me as childlike.  It doesn’t hurt me personally, but it pulls the discussion down below a point where I want to participate.

Regards, Dave High

Son, I don't see any referenc

Son, I don't see any reference to any study group in your post. Maybe it's because I can't read minds.

ThisnThat,Allow me to clarify

ThisnThat,

Allow me to clarify.

To Dave, a breakfast meeting between Rosie and Michael Moore, in which they sign a napkin vowing to end this illegal war and throw the devil Bush out of office, is a national referendum.

"Son, I don't see any re

"Son, I don't see any reference to any study group in your post."

TnT:

From my original post, "Bush’s daddy and friends".  Everyone knows that the members of the Iraq Study Group were senior officials from George H.W. Bush's administration.  Sorry you missed the point.  Sorry also for you that that my writing style is somewhere above the sixth grade level.  You don't need to be a mind reader, just read more books and newspapers.  It couldn't hurt.

Ouch, this has been painful and non-productive.  See ya' later.  In your own vernacular (big word, I know) your mommy is warming your bottle.

Regards, Dave High

And the fact that Sandra Day

And the fact that Sandra Day O'Conner was on that ISG along with Vernon Jordan makes me feel so good knowing that they both know so much about military affairs AND foreign policy...yeah..."Bush’s daddy and friends". Please

You, and everyone else, shoul

You, and everyone else, should re-read that report. You would notice this one particular comment on page 7 of that report:

...the United States should significantly increase the number of U.S. military personnel, including combat troops, embedded in and supporting Iraq Army units. As these actions proceed, U.S. combat forces could begin to move out of Iraq.

In case you need instructions (you mentioned 6th grade level, I believe), this is also known as a surge! Exactly what's going on today. I know -- my Marine son was just deployed to Iraq to support this surge. Now, I don't know if GWB did this in response to this study or not -- but it's high time that you and others start doing what you so deparately want -- get together on this.

I really don't need any more of your crap -- you either can't understand, or refuse to understand, even the sources that you cite. What a fool, but so typical of hate-filled retorhic of the Left.

"just read more books an

"just read more books and newspapers.  It couldn't hurt."

I'll bet no one here could guess which books and newspapers Dave is refering to.

If the books you guess are written by people with names like Hannity, Coulter or O'reilly and any of the newspapers have the intitials WSJ, you'd be wrong.

How many stockholders refer

How many stockholders refer to previous CEO's for assistance with current difficulties?

Which past president besides Clinton relied on news media and polls to govern?

What are Pelosi and Reid basing their decision on?

JDW

Wounded skier. Corrections have been causing time-outs so mistakes will be made.

New pro-adoption dems, what about replacing abortions?

dave high is never childlike

Dave High childlike? Not at all; he's stupid & childish.

Big difference. It is totally childish, I think, for him to enter this site and repeat frequently the King George baa baa bleat. We HAVE NO KING, and George W Bush never was our king. He's our LEADER and president, duly elected.

It's mean-spirited LOSERS who insist on these meaningless, childish taunts and insults when we discuss our President. Bush is on a par with Abraham Lincoln, the first Republican president to be trashed by hate-filled opponents who were unable to beat him at the ballot box. LOSERS are filled with so much spite they can't reason. They'll allow our armed forces to be disparaged, unsupported and calumniated all for the sake of their political agendas. Selfish, unpatriotic bastreds.

I guess I voted on an incorre

I guess I voted on an incorrect ballot in November, because I don't remember "withdraw from Iraq" being one of the choices.

"Bush ignores them all and surged forth"

Well, he didn't quite ignore everyone, considering he's following the plan of the general now in charge that was just confirmed unanimously. Your issue is not that he didn't follow any advice given him, it's that he didn't follow the advice that YOU wanted him to follow. Opponents of the war love to quote the dozens of retired and active generals who oppose the surge while ignoring the hundreds more who are for it. The fact is, if the hairdressers of the world formed their own group that recommended surrender, they too would be quoted by the likes of High dave as yet another group of experts that Bush is ignoring.

They also love to mischaractersize the surge as nothing more than an increase in troops, when everyone knows there is more to it than that, primarily a change in the rules of engagement, which is a biggie.

And the ultimate irony of all is as recently as December, Dems were calling for an increase in troops. That is, until Bush decided to send more troops.

Speaking of generals, I heard a democrat talking head this morning say Bush should listen to the generals and put the troops where they say he should put them, which was quite interesting, since he IS listening to the general in charge who is responsible for the new plan being implemented in Iraq. Sadly, the media guy didn't call her on it.

"In future, don't deride me as childlike"

I agree. Deriding you as foolish is much more appropriate. So please, fellow NB'ers, treat High Dave as childish no longer. Instead, treat him as the fool he is. Seriously, can anyone who thinks by saying "stay the course", President Bush means we won't change tactics, or try new things be viewed as anything else?

Dear UN and Al Gore, 

If you don't drop this global warming crap, we will invade your countries, kill your leaders, and convert you to Christianity.

Now wait a minute -- note his

Now wait a minute -- note his comment "below a level that I would like to participate". I say take him at his word -- continue with the childish, let's see if he participates?

Bush had two options: 1. T

Bush had two options:

1. The "popular" choice.
2. The correct choice.

He chose option #2.

Merry Christmas 2007.

Afternoon Dave,I hope the fis

Afternoon Dave,

I hope the fish settled well and you had a good night sleep. I see that you're up to you're usual BS.

Woodward has documented Bush’s intransigence on many levels

Translation:

Bob Woodward, the man who courageously brought down that rat bastard Nixon has since spent the last thirty years righting every Republican wrong but thought that Carter and Clinton did a swell job. While they were in office, he was busy stroking his pen.

Didn’t we just have a major national referendum in which everybody, including the American people, Bush’s daddy and friends, military leaders, and everyone else for that matter, told King George he has no clothes and that he needs to change course in Iraq? 

Translation: We did have an election in which the Dems picked up enough seats in the house and senate to take control. But it only occured because Woodward made sure that those friggin NeoCons couldn't rig voting machines and drive through poor minority neighborhoods disenfranchising people.

Kinda funny how the Republicans blamed themselves for losing without getting their panties in a wad accusing the other side of foul play. Did you demand a recount after the Nov Elections, Dave? Or is that only required when you're side loses twice to a stupid monkey?

to disagree

I see this is headed out of control, oh well. From what I've read it is normal for a six year President to lose party seats in the Congress. Wish I could find the stats for it but I heard that this is one of the wimpiest backlashs ever to occur, i.e. not a "national referendum".

So far "King Greorge" (good sarcasm there), has had congressional approval for the war in Iraq and all related appropriations.

If by "national referendum" you are refering to votes, it should be noted that the latest vote was non-binding. On any binding vote, like the one to remove troop immediately, the Democrats vote overwhelmingly in favor of the President his right-wing Republican policies.

The only thing we find out from votes is that most Democrats in office say one thing and then do something else. The term two-faced comes to mind. Probably that would translate to patriotic in the Democrat dictionary. What would you call it?

Dave High

Dave,

Forgive me, but you need to zip up your fly -- your Democrat talking points are showing again. :-)

So, the elections were a referendum? Really? I didn't see that initiative on my ballot.

However, let's assume you're correct. Why is it that only George W. Bush is responsible for recognizing the will of the people that you claim was so clearly expressed in November? Why do you and your ilk so refuse to ignore the legislature when it fits your agenda?

After all, we didn't just vote in a new president, did we? I thought this was a midterm election only involving members of Congress, governors, and state houses. Did I miss something, or have you been asleep for four months?

With that in mind, if the will of the people was an expeditious retreat from Iraq, why don't the Democrats in Congress propose defunding the war? Furthermore, why don't you hold them responsible for not doing this? Why is it the president's responsibility to change course when the election did not remove his authority as the chief executive?

Honestly, Dave, your closed-mindedness and blind devotion to your leftist dogma shocks and annoys me. If the Democrats were voted in by the masses to get us out of Iraq, and this is indeed what you want, you should be angered by these absurd nonbinding resolutions, and disappointed with Reid, Pelosi, and every Democrat that was elected or re-elected for the expressed purpose of a troop withdrawal.

Yet, instead, you continue to carp and whine about what the president is doing. Do you ever hold members of your Party responsible for anything?

Oh. That's right. I forgot. You don't even hold members of your Party responsible for the votes they cast on important things like a war resolution.

As such, let's forget the whole thing, and pretend I didn't bring this up. Have a nice Sunday.     ns

Hi Noel. I am really sure now, if it doesn't fit on a bumper

Hi Noel.  I am really sure now, if it doesn't fit on a bumper sticker, Dave High can't understand it.

I've dealt with him regularly now for about two weeks and he 1) misrepresents the facts and reality with regularity 2) can't read an article through to the end 3) is reduced to name calling on various occasions.

So, he is basically a Troll using flowerly language and false graciousness.

I am not quite sure which is worse.  A man who lies behind a mask of politeness or a man who degenerates into name calling and twisting of facts to get his point across.

Either way, that's not what I call a man.

With warmest regards and sincerity, your poster, Acaiguana

:-)

ACA

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Hillary Clinton says: "I want to take those profits."

Noel, I think you're giving

Noel, I think you're giving him more credit than he deserves. This man cannot think. It is beyond his grasp to understand even what form of government we have. I mean, elections and popular votes do not determine the policy of the President, especially if it wasn't a vote FOR the president.

Dave High... do you understand what it means to be a Democratic Republic? First, you need to understand we are not a country ruled by populism... so it does not matter one whit what the unwashed massed think. Let them vote for whatever, but the President does not have to listen to them. He has to rule as he sees fit. Most Americans (like yourself) are very ignorant of world affairs and react to the most inane sound bites and shoddy news reporting that there is no way they have any clue as to what is needed for this country. We hold no referendums in this country... or we should not. This is not a majority rule country... this is a Republic.... a country founded on, and ruled by LAWS. The lawmakers are elected via a democratic process.... no referendum, no massive changes usually happen... and as Noel said.... your liberal talking points are getting tired.

Get an education and stop posting that crap.... learn a little about the government that exists in this country. And remember, it does not matter what you think... or I think as long as the President is there... he does not have to listen to anyone if he does not choose to.

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"These are the times that try men's souls." ~ Thomas Paine

Short conversation Dave

Bush: Hi guys. We've got to come to a bi-partisan consensus on this war. Maybe we can form a bi-partisan Iraq War council?

Speaker Pelosi: Mr. President, the consensus is that the American people want a new direction in Iraq. That's what they voted for in Nov

Bush: Ok, what's the direction?

Reid: out

Bush: not gonna happen. How bout at least that bi-partisan council so we can find some common ground?

Pelosi: Sure, as long as I pick the people.

Bush: doesn't sound too bi-partisan then

Reid: Doesn't matter. Does it?

btw, this basically already happened.

I'd love to see video of that

Chris Matthews had to have the deer in the headlights look about his face. The man is in uber-denial, and here comes Bob Woodward saying, "Wake up and smell reality Chris"

LOL!!!!

Rehab

After hearing from these 2 reporters Chriss will try to send them to rehab.

Prediction: Chris Matthews in rehab before 11/08

There's no way he's gonna stay sober through Dean's election night confession re the "never was a New Direction in Iraq Plan, but we''ll get to work in a month or two", AND the failure of Dems to cut funding, AND the collapse of the Hillary annointment in favor of a Nader 08 race. No way. Memos to DC and Georgetown bars and liquor stores, Chris is gonna go through a tough time, and should be watched closely. Keep cab fare close at hand, and no more than 3 an hour. This boy's gonna be poundin the sauce before it's all over.

Matthews Reax

Or, he could simply shave his head and get a tatoo.

Well, that was fabulous. And

Well, that was fabulous. And it is fabulous that these two men are being recognized on NewsBusters for their "rise above party and politics."

Today there was a wonderful display of great reporting on both sides of the coin. THIS is what America is supposed to be.

We are a Republic, not a Democracy. We need Statesmen running our country, not puppets. We want Statesmen who honor the fact that we are a Constitutional Republic.

On Matthews show. Time for

On Matthews show. Time for news media to open their eyes and go back to sleep.

JDW

Wounded skier. Corrections have been causing time-outs so mistakes will be made.

New pro-adoption dems, what about replacing abortions?