As America’s elected officials debate non-binding resolutions to rebuke President George W. Bush over his troop surge in Iraq, news comes from that country’s prime minister of “dazzling successes” in Baghdad.
Anyone care to wager whether this will get any attention from the media this evening?
As reported by Agence France-Presse (h/t Drudge, emphasis mine throughout): "Iraq's Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki told US President George W. Bush by videolink that the first few days of their countries' joint security plan in Baghdad had been a great success."
The article quoted Maliki's office directly:
"He told President Bush that the security plan had seen dazzling success during its first days and that the government will deal with every outlaw in a firm manner whatever group they belong to," according to his office.
Seems that such an announcement would be important to Americans, especially as Congress debates anti-war resolutions, dontcha think?
Regardless, the article continued: “‘He said the sheikhs of the tribes in Anbar Province play a very important role in the hunt for Al-Qaeda and that the government will supply all kinds of support to these tribes and start reconstruction efforts,’ his office said.”
My money is on "no mention this evening" by any of the broadcast networks during their nightly news programs. Anyone disagree?
Comments Policy
troop withdrawl from Iraq
February 16, 2007 - 13:49 ET by JIMMY1660if we pull the troops from Iraq without completing the mission, never ever should we send them anywhere. for no reason will ever be enough to do this again. you spend many hours tilling the garden, planting the seeds of freedom, and never let it grow,assine.
God Bless America
This is the whole point of th
February 16, 2007 - 13:57 ET by NL207This is the whole point of the left's activity. They see the American Military as the source of evil in the world. They wish to ensure that it is never used again to defend America's interests. They are more than happy to fritter it away in places lke Darfur trying to restrain local violence just as long as that is not defending some vital American interest. Is this not what Bill Clinton did as President?
Let's hope it's true... but I
February 16, 2007 - 13:49 ET by toolzLet's hope it's true... but I will wait for something a bit more quantitative and substantial.
"but I will wait for s
February 16, 2007 - 14:26 ET by dabal"but I will wait for something a bit more quantitative and substantial."
...and then, you'll do what? Throw all the lefty lies in the trash and vote Conservative?
You'll excuse me if I accuse you of being a nihilist....and then, you'll do what?S
February 16, 2007 - 14:35 ET by toolz...and then, you'll do what?
Simple, I will acknowledge that things are on the upswing. I lack the ego of a lot of partisans who know what the future holds.
I hate my cynicism, but I am just not prepared to take al-Maliki at his word on this one. We have similar claims of progress before:
"We're not in a civil war. Iraq will never be in a civil war," he said through an interpreter on CNN's "Late Edition." "The violence is in decrease and our security ability is increasing."
If it make me a nihilist to wait for tangible proof of dazzling successes, then I excuse you.
Are you kidding?! Liberals
February 16, 2007 - 14:39 ET by wiwfAre you kidding?! Liberals LOVE our military... when they come in the form of peacekeeping troops.
Perhaps it is time you lo
February 16, 2007 - 14:40 ET by dabalPerhaps it is time you looked up the word "nihilist".
Proof is somewhat of an impossibility with someone...unwilling...to accept what they do not want to believe.
You have read into my comment
February 16, 2007 - 14:47 ET by toolzYou have read into my comments that I do not believe victory is possible in Iraq. Good luck to ya.
Hey, toolz, things are on the upswing, huh?
February 16, 2007 - 14:44 ET by acaiguanaHey, toolz, things are on the upswing, huh?
That's going to kill the Democrat Party for the next 50 years.
What do you say to that?
And I agree, you need to check out nilhilist in the dictionary.
What your attitude makes you is more similar to a loser that backed the wrong horse.
ACA
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Hillary Clinton says: "I want to take those profits."
Back to topic.
February 16, 2007 - 14:55 ET by toolzBack to topic.
You asked "Will this get
February 16, 2007 - 15:33 ET by ThisnThatYou asked "Will this get any attention from the media?"
The answer is: a resounding YES!
The MSM will begin reporting human rights abuses by the Iraqi military and Government. They will say the crackdown is too tough and is indiscriminant. Innocent civilians are being rounded up, and that there is no proof that any "militants" have actually been stopped. They will also look for the next bombing and focus their reports on that, and tell us "See -- the Iraqi Government is wrong. They round up civilians and the Civil War continues".
So, oh yes -- they will report this. But they will do this by taking the standard phrases I italized above and wrap their story around those phrases. Mark my words.
Perhaps the media isn't
February 16, 2007 - 16:16 ET by kafkakaeferPerhaps
the media isn't paying attention, because the "success" is more than doubtful and merely rhetorics? Perhaps its only empty talk of a man who is afraid to lose the last support he has? Who knows. But no of course its the evil media!
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
Media
February 16, 2007 - 16:22 ET by Mulligan22Since our MSM is both judge and jury of what success and failure is, they can spin or distort and story to fit their mantra. The MSM establishment is deeply invested in the US failing in IRAQ so they can continue to portray GWB as a failure. Success is going to have to be significant for them to begin to admit anything. They can always point out others failures but never their own.
And GWB jumps on the train an
February 16, 2007 - 16:28 ET by kafkakaeferAnd GWB jumps on the train and portrays everything as a success, which later turns out to be a failure? Your premise is doubtful.
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
NO, GWB reports Iraq as the s
February 16, 2007 - 17:05 ET by NL207NO, GWB reports Iraq as the success that it is, both militarily and politically. The MSM and leftist politicians and even numbskulls like you, many of whom say they support victory, continue to portray the situation in the most negative terms. Worse than this, you and they are taking actions which actually undermine everything GWB has accomplished and most importantly, give heart to the enemy to wait us out, knowing they do not need to win militarily. They will have victory handed to them by you and others like you supporting them politically within the United States.
So GWB is in fact a journal
February 16, 2007 - 18:34 ET by kafkakaeferSo GWB is in fact a journalist? Then he surely stands on the wrong side at pressconferences. On the other hand probably he would like it very much to ask himself questions. Which politician wouldn't?
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
I think they will resort to the Erich Honecker methods
February 16, 2007 - 18:36 ET by Carl KolchakMaybe they should start using the Walter Ulbricht and Erich Honecker methods of dealing with the press. Those 2 swell leaders really gave both sides of the story didn't they?
"The Wall will be standing in 50 and even in 100 years, if the reasons for it are not removed". Erich Honecker
Yes of course. The views of
February 16, 2007 - 18:45 ET by kafkakaeferYes of course. The views of both hemisspheres of their brain.
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
Yeah that wall was a great idea by them wasn't it
February 16, 2007 - 18:51 ET by Carl KolchakYeah those 2 combined had lots of successes didn't they? What exactly were some of their success stories?
"No one has the intention of building a wall" Walter Ulbricht
Read the issues of "Ne
February 16, 2007 - 19:07 ET by kafkakaeferRead the issues of "Neues Deutschland" from 1949 to 1989. You will find plenty of them.
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
How about "Adventures in Stasiland"?
February 16, 2007 - 19:35 ET by Carl KolchakHow about the reading the book "Adventures in Stasiland"? And please let me know why they had to build a wall not for defensive purposes, but to prevent the average citizen from knowing what was happening on the other side. And why was the wall guarded and mined, and over 200 people persished trying to escape?
"No one has the intention of building a wall" Walter Ulbricht
http://www.worldpress.org/Europe/1199.cfm
hey it was build against fasc
February 16, 2007 - 19:40 ET by kafkakaeferhey it was build against fascism! didn't know that? But now it's enough with irony. Otherwise this discussion will go on in eternity.
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
built against facism in what way?
February 16, 2007 - 19:42 ET by Carl KolchakIt was built well past WWII ended, and not torn down until 1989. Yes, I don't have time to go on forever with this discussion either, but you need to elaborate your point.
"Ich bin ein Berliner" John Kennedy
Which one?"Hegel says so
February 16, 2007 - 19:46 ET by kafkakaeferWhich one?
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
Your point about why the wall was built
February 16, 2007 - 19:48 ET by Carl KolchakWhy was the wall built?
"Ich bin ein Berliner" John Kennedy
Um, to keep the goooood Germa
February 16, 2007 - 19:49 ET by BlondeUm, to keep the goooood Germans out?
As the irony-part is now
February 16, 2007 - 19:53 ET by kafkakaeferAs the irony-part is now officialy over: You said
it above. Although it was more or less to keep East-Germans from running into paradise (Ah it happened again). On the other hand: So that the Sex Pistols could jump onto it, American Presidents could practice rethorics in front of it and last but nor least: How can someone rejoice when a wall comes down, if it wasn't built before?
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
Don't forget the unemployed guards
February 16, 2007 - 20:01 ET by Carl KolchakDon't forget that many guards were unemployed after that. They must have been bummed out. The person in charge of the minefield was probably bummed out too.
I'm sure the Stasi were sad too.
"Ich bin ein Berliner" John Kennedy
PS I do give you props for the humor above. The Nueces Deutschland reference was pretty funny.
Hey kaf,I was there when it c
February 16, 2007 - 20:05 ET by BlondeHey kaf,
I was there when it came down.
All those E. Germans in their pitiful little cars on the authobahn, piled up with mattresses and all of their earthly possessions. Waving at the car with the AMERICAN plates....in the light of the full moon.
me too, blonde. me too. Per
February 16, 2007 - 20:10 ET by kafkakaeferme too, blonde. me too. Perhaps you saw me? BTW it's autobahn
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
Then indeed you are from Sach
February 16, 2007 - 21:34 ET by NL207Then indeed you are from Sachsen as I have suspected, though your IP address says you are here in the US. Perhaps Liepzig?
How does my IP adress tell
February 16, 2007 - 21:39 ET by kafkakaeferHow does my IP adress tell you I'm from the U.S.? Now I'm interested. Anyway the town is called Leipzig and I'm from Berlin. How did you suspect that I'm from Sachsen?
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
Your use of English is too fo
February 16, 2007 - 21:53 ET by NL207Your use of English is too formal to have been Western German educated. You use German dialect fragments that I recognize as a Sachsische, or Preussische dialect. I would have chose Brandenburg or Preussen as you points of origin after Leipzig -- Do not confuse poor typography with ignorance.
Don't be afraid! I know you h
February 16, 2007 - 21:58 ET by kafkakaeferDon't be afraid! I know you have no ä ö ü etc. on your computers and I just want to help, I can't spell nor write Massachuss.. either. Next question: What german dialect fragments?
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
Your usage of German ariticle
February 17, 2007 - 10:42 ET by NL207Your usage of German ariticles and short expressions. e.g., on this page you started a sentence with Na? I've only heard that from native german speakers from the eastern states or from native English speakers who translate into German. Its a regional marker much like if I were to say 'moin' to you before noon.
Now... Why is it that you Germans continue to have such problems leaving the Nazi past behind? The Hitler zeit was an aberration and nothing more. And this guilt trip is preventing you from seeing both the similarity between the Nazis and the Islamofascists and opposing them and their spread as is necesary to protect and secure a future for the old European culture. Do you really believe those bombs the Islamofascists left in Die Bahn last year are the last you will hear of them?
Ooooh, another spelling Nazi.
February 16, 2007 - 21:41 ET by BlondeOoooh, another spelling Nazi.
Thanks, Kaf!
Manometer ich dachte Sprach
February 16, 2007 - 21:44 ET by kafkakaeferManometer ich dachte Sprachnazi wäre ein deutscher Begriff.
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
Too bad, you thought wrong.Ag
February 16, 2007 - 21:50 ET by BlondeToo bad, you thought wrong.
Again.
Little troll.
Yep, Fascism was simply thriv
February 16, 2007 - 21:59 ET by Roger the ShrubberYep, Fascism was simply thriving in West Berlin in 1960-61. Yep, thriving. It was never built to keep the people IN. Nah...
Same advice to you: Read th
February 16, 2007 - 22:04 ET by kafkakaeferSame advice to you: Read the whole thread!
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
You seem to forget that Frank
February 16, 2007 - 18:59 ET by NL207You seem to forget that Franklin D. Roosevelt was famous for his weekly fireside radio chats with America. I will speculate that (1) You think FDR was a great leader and (2) You also think these radio messages were a public service to America during a time of war. and (3) You don't think Roosevelt was a journalist.
So how is it you don't see it this way with Bush as well?
What are you talking about?
February 16, 2007 - 19:10 ET by kafkakaeferWhat are you talking about? Did Roosevelt call Stalin sometime at his fireside, or what is your analogy about?
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
Did Roosevelt hold press conf
February 16, 2007 - 19:21 ET by NL207Did Roosevelt hold press conferences with Stalin, Churchill, or even DeGaulle to report progess in the war and encourage the people?
He surely did as this press photo taken after Yalta surely confirms.
You seem to think that the President is not allowed to make positive statements in conjunction with an allied leader about the progress of this war in order to promote public confidence in his strategy and the progress thereof. This is utter nonsense. That is the whole point of what a leader is.
And what do the MSM say about this war? Nothing that will encourage our side. This is a stark contrast to the conduct of the press in WWII. What is different in these two scenarios is not the President, it is this craven and dishonest media. Bush is doing many things similar to what FDR did. Today's MSM has nothing whatever in common with the media of teh WWII era.
Still your analogy is flawed.
February 16, 2007 - 19:28 ET by kafkakaeferStill your analogy is flawed. Where is your reference to my posts?
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
Sorry kafka,Nothing flawed wi
February 16, 2007 - 19:37 ET by BlondeSorry kafka,
Nothing flawed with NL's analogy.
The flaw is in your euro-think.
Aren't you glad we don't speak German?
No it would make every discus
February 16, 2007 - 19:42 ET by kafkakaeferNo it would make every discussion much easier. Euro-think, thats a nice one. Probably old-euro-think.
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
Für selbst sprechen.
February 16, 2007 - 21:08 ET by NL207Für selbst sprechen.
Nonsense. Your argument was
February 16, 2007 - 21:07 ET by NL207Nonsense. Your argument was simple. You were criticizing Bush for holding a press conference with Iraqi PM Maliki to extoll how much progress has been made in Iraq. I think your remark was something to the effect that Bush should be a journalist if he wishes to ask himself questions.
I was merely poining out to you that in the late war in which Deutschland wurde durch Hitler Unfähigkeit zerquetscht, Franklin Roosevelt frequently made press releases by radio in the form of speeches and "fireside chats" in which he in effect asked himself questions to promote his policies. There is no difference in the conduct of the two men on this point.
Please, oh gott please read
February 16, 2007 - 21:26 ET by kafkakaeferPlease, oh gott please read the whole thread. Oh man you make me laugh. There wasn't even the notion of a joined press conference until you brought it up.
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
Kafka
February 16, 2007 - 16:56 ET by Noel SheppardKafka,
So, let me understand your thinking here. Since success in Iraq appears to be doubtful in your view, the media should stop reporting news out of the region that might be positive? Is that the media's role in your view, to only report information that supports the majority view of things? Aren't a free press supposed to report all the news? Isn't it news that the prime minister of this country that we currently have about 150,000 troops risking their lives for believes that the new cooperation between Iraqi and American forces is bearing fruit? Or, is it only newsworthy when reports out of the region are negative?
Please advise. ns
Noel, Noel, Noel. It's all ab
February 16, 2007 - 17:06 ET by Roger the ShrubberNoel, Noel, Noel. It's all about CONSENSUS, you silly goose.
Roger
February 16, 2007 - 17:12 ET by Noel SheppardRoger,
Honestly, this is some of the most ridiculous nonsense ever posted at this website. Because success seems doubtful, the press shouldn't report positive news.
Have you ever heard such a preposterous position in your life? So, the press should now only report information that bolsters the majority view of things.
Extraordinary! ns
Noel, just remember, WE'RE th
February 16, 2007 - 17:28 ET by Roger the ShrubberNoel, just remember, WE'RE the Kool-Aid drinkers, right?
So then is it positive news
February 16, 2007 - 18:31 ET by kafkakaeferSo then is it positive news if Maliki has a video conference with the GWB?
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
ns -- The dumbkopf is Germa
February 16, 2007 - 19:36 ET by Jack Bauerns -- The dumbkopf is German. What do you expect?
You'll get more sense from an Edward Lear nonsense poem.
Jackie, I waited the whole ev
February 16, 2007 - 19:44 ET by kafkakaeferJackie, I waited the whole evening for youz to show up. Finally this discussion gets to its lowest. Let's wrestle."Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
Dumbkopf is the lowest? Not
February 16, 2007 - 21:14 ET by NL207Dumbkopf is the lowest? Not by a lot. Try Alter Esel. That is more offensive, but certainly NOT the most offensive.
Geez, Jack.You've gone and do
February 16, 2007 - 19:46 ET by BlondeGeez, Jack.
You've gone and done it now.
Full tilt boogie German troll.
This ought to be interesting.
Carry on, Jack.
Hey blonde -- ain't wasting
February 16, 2007 - 19:54 ET by Jack BauerHey blonde -- ain't wasting my time on that weirdo.
I'm pretty sure he's the helmeted kraut character in the R&M's Laugh In? If anyone can remember that. He's posting gibberish.
You going to Daytona??
Jackie, now I'm truly insul
February 16, 2007 - 19:59 ET by kafkakaeferJackie, now I'm truly insulted. Love's Labours Lost.
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
Jack,Ja, verrrrrry interrress
February 16, 2007 - 20:02 ET by BlondeJack,
Ja, verrrrrry interrresssting. But schtuuupid.
No dude....going to Vegas! LOL.
Make sure to see the Elvis impersonators
February 16, 2007 - 20:04 ET by Carl KolchakBlonde, don't forget to go see a show from an Elvis impersonator.
"Viva Las Vegas" Elvis
Carl,I was thinking of the bl
February 16, 2007 - 20:12 ET by BlondeCarl,
I was thinking of the blue head people.
Cool!
February 16, 2007 - 20:17 ET by Carl KolchakDon't forget to catch a Wayne Newton show either.
"We are on our way to Las Vegas to visit our close and personal friend, Wayne Newton. Why, you collecting tickets?"
Thank God you remembered th
February 16, 2007 - 20:06 ET by Jack BauerThank God you remembered the damn catch phrase!
It's been driving me nuts trying to think of it.
But it's perfect, ja for our leaden prose komrad.
I can sleep easy now.
Jack,Well, my day is complete
February 16, 2007 - 20:10 ET by BlondeJack,
Well, my day is complete.
It's scary. I've had four out of the last six days be "year maker" days....scary, yes?
Sweet dreams, friend.
Noel, perhaps i wasn't ver
February 16, 2007 - 17:40 ET by kafkakaeferNoel,
perhaps i wasn't very clear.
If there are successes in Iraq they deserve to be reported. But content and headline of your post seem to contradict themselves a little bit. What do you want them to report? The message that Al Maliki thinks there are successes or the successes themselves. If the press is supposed to report everything a statesman thinks, when he thinks, is a little bit to much. If there is substantial progress please report it along with malikis statement. If there is no progress than please report it along with malikis statment. But to report malikis statement alone is more than an empty message its useless.
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
The media's job is to report
February 16, 2007 - 17:46 ET by Roger the ShrubberThe media's job is to report on what statesmen think and say, and report news, both good and bad. You clearly do not understand the media.
The medias job is to provide
February 16, 2007 - 17:49 ET by kafkakaeferThe medias job is to provide context.
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
To provide information, not t
February 16, 2007 - 21:55 ET by Roger the ShrubberTo provide information, not to pick and choose what information to provide. That is where you are losing your grasp. That is why Newsbusters exists, and succeeds.
Kafka
February 16, 2007 - 17:55 ET by Noel SheppardK,
Forgive me, but you're being preposterous. America is at war, correct? Our legislators right now are debating nonbinding resolutions to rebuke the president, correct?
At the same time, the prime minister of the nation in the middle of this war had a teleconference with our president claiming that recent joint efforts between his forces and ours are producing great successes. That is newsworthy.
This isn't just some statesman. This is the embattled prime minister of the nation that is currently home to 150,000 American soldiers risking their lives. If he says things are improving or worsening, our press should report it. Period.
And, if you can't see this, I really must question your sanity.
It's not up to the press to decide not to report what this man says all because it doesn't fit into their view of what is going on. That's a bias, Kafka, and that's what we expose here.
Alas, if you'd prefer not to hear good news from this region, then maybe you ought to stick with outlets that will give you only the negatives you are clearly interested in reading or hearing about. But don't come here and tell me or anybody else that this isn't newsworthy because you question Maliki's sincerity! ns
Noel,Don't get so upset. This
February 16, 2007 - 18:17 ET by kafkakaeferNoel,
Don't get so upset. This message doesn't change the world as long as this is not backed by credible proof that there really is progress. And yes its up to the press to decide whats newsworthy, because, guess what, they are making them. There are so many things which deserve to be reported before this one is reported. And I repeat again, this message is useless without context. A waste of paper. A waste of time.
kk
By the way I think America chooses to be at war.
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
"This message doesn't
February 16, 2007 - 18:59 ET by ckc1227"This message doesn't change the world as long as this is not backed by credible proof that there really is progress.There are so many things which deserve to be reported before this one is reported."
Ahhh, yes, like stories that are negative about the war or the administration, which, not hypocritically at all, do not need credible proof, lol.
Seem's we have a self loather
February 16, 2007 - 20:30 ET by FastEdSeem's we have a self loather - anyway there is credible proof, from the people who are prtecting us, that things are going better and and the media who are present won't report it - 'cause, as they have actually said, if they report GOOD news, the people enjoying it might be attacked by the bad guys, due to the reporting - 'tis a twisted logic, but that is the media's way.
About the self loathing - 2 World Wars, both lost by the germans. One because they couldn't get the rest of the world to go along with their idea of trying to become a world power, but they did convince the Aust-Hungs to go along with them. Second loss, mostly due to following a psycho who convinced the sheep following, tired pseudo socialists, that they had a right to be world leaders.
In both cases, if it were not for the help of us upstart non-euros, there would still be rubble in the streets of Dresden, Berlin, Hamburg, Frankfurt, Munich, the Ruhr Valley, the Rhine, etc.
And yes, we do choose to be at war - against people who want to kill us, and unlike the intellectual euros, we don't want anymore building to fall in our country.
Only one man ever understood me, and he didn't understand me.
George Hegel
So you know it: because of &q
February 16, 2007 - 20:37 ET by kafkakaeferSo you know it: because of "you" there was rubble in the streets of Dresden, Berlin Hamburg etc.pp. But I don't blame "you".
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
Wrong, kafka.There was rublbe
February 16, 2007 - 20:43 ET by BlondeWrong, kafka.
There was rubble in the streets of Dresden, Berlin, Hamburg, etc.
....because of Adolf Hitler.
Don't delude yourself.
And don't be so insulting as to try to get away with it in front of an AMERICAN board.
Silly little German troll.
Count your blessings. I have two words for you.
Enola Gay.
So Adolf sat in the America
February 16, 2007 - 20:47 ET by kafkakaeferSo Adolf sat in the American airplanes dropping bombs on Germany? Hey we can discuss this one seriously but please refrain yourself from stupidity.
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
The ethno-centric Germans put Hitler in power.
February 16, 2007 - 20:52 ET by acaiguanaThe ethno-centric Germans put Hitler in power.
Hitler destroyed Germany through his egoist plan to rule Europe and the world. Hitler destroyed Germany -
Get it?
Probably not. If you are one of the remnants of Imperial Germany who think the Germans are the only people who deserve to have power.
This is an American site, kafka, we kicked your rear ends and sent your so-called 'old european' civilization back to the stone age where it belonged.
Then we stupidly rebuilt it for you.
Get it?
ACA
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Hillary Clinton says: "I want to take those profits."
Thanks, ACA,I was on the phon
February 16, 2007 - 20:57 ET by BlondeThanks, ACA,
I was on the phone w/ an old friend (boss).
Kafka is pointlessly pointless.
An anti-Seraut, si'l vous plait.
Care to back your point of
February 16, 2007 - 21:00 ET by kafkakaeferCare to back your point of view with a source not backing your point of view? Anyway you didn't kick my rear end and hopefully won't do so in the future. That Hitler destroyed Germany: No doubt! But now we come to the really interesting part: Responsibility and guilt in history. Want to elaborate on that?
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
Okay Kaf,Quit smoking crack.C
February 16, 2007 - 21:07 ET by BlondeOkay Kaf,
Quit smoking crack.
Care to back your point of view with a source not backing your point of view?
I've been to Germany and understand the unapologetic stance there. The only thing the German people are sorry about is that they lost the war. So your little diatribe about "guilt and history" is worth about as much as my dog's yesterday breakfast.
Germany lost.
LOST.
Deal with it.
It gets better and better.
February 16, 2007 - 21:11 ET by kafkakaeferIt gets better and better. Where did you get the impression I was unhappy Germany lost?
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
Gee....your defense of Adolf
February 16, 2007 - 21:16 ET by BlondeGee....your defense of Adolf (oh excuse me....Heil Hitler in the American Bombers in the skies destroying Dresden).
You must be about fifteen.
And you must have a readi
February 16, 2007 - 21:19 ET by kafkakaeferAnd you must have a reading problem.
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
How so, small one, bitte?You'
February 16, 2007 - 21:24 ET by BlondeHow so, small one, bitte?
You're the one who maintained that Hitler was in American Bombers over Dresden when I asked how Germany had destroyed herself (or do you prefer the masculine for your country?)
Why don't you expound for us, in great shining detail, how your socialistic form of government is so superior that you could possibly have changed one iota of your history.....people who were so stupid as to buy Adolf Hitler's rant deserved to be crushed for a century....or more!
The only impressive thing I saw in Germany was Mad Ludwig's castle. And he was full of syphilis....and crazy to boot.
Oh....the Black Forest was kinda cool.
My ancestors were from Baden Baden.
Very, very, very far back in my lineage.
Is this some sort of stream o
February 16, 2007 - 21:32 ET by kafkakaeferIs this some sort of stream of consciousness or is it just confusion?
"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.
No, young troll.I was trying
February 16, 2007 - 21:38 ET by BlondeNo, young troll.
I was trying to connect.
Apparently pointless.
Go back to Dresden. And think about things.
Blonde,He's a little cranky t
February 16, 2007 - 21:48 ET by NeoConfirmedBlonde,
He's a little cranky these days. No more back door oil deals with Saddam for his country. And remember, Germany's been pissed off at us for 60 plus years for removing their leader. Can't remember his name though.
Neo,They'll get over it in an
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