What’s that about a consensus concerning anthropogenic global warming? Well, regardless of the assertions by such experts as Al Gore and Ellen Goodman, more and more professionals actually involved in the climate industry are speaking out against this man-made myth.
The most recent announcement by skeptics came during a panel discussion Tuesday evening in Mayfield Heights, Ohio. As reported by the Plain Dealer (emphasis mine throughout):
It's not that Mark Johnson, Dick Goddard, Mark Nolan, Jon Laufman or former Cleveland weatherman Don Webster disbelieve the data entirely.
But they're skeptical, and they don't believe that it's necessarily our fault or that we should panic over it.
The article explained why they’re skeptical:
"We have maybe 100 years of data on a rock that's 6 billion years old," said Johnson, a WEWS Channel 5 weatherman. "Mother Nature tends to even herself out, and the fact is, the Earth is cyclical."
Goddard, WJW Channel 8 meteorologist, said scientists have flip-flopped on the matter: "I have a file an inch thick from 30 years ago that says the planet was cooling," he told the crowd of several hundred.
They cautioned listeners not to put too much stock in what they said was an insufficient history of warming.
"The term global warming' strikes fear in the heart of people every time you say it, but it's simply a rise in temperature over time, and it's happened before," said Nolan, meteorologist at WKYC Channel 3. "I'm not sure which is more arrogant for humans: to say we caused it or to say we're going to fix it."
Well said. The article continued:
Laufman, who has free-lanced for WOIO Channel 19 and taught meteorology courses at several local colleges, including Case Western Reserve University, also referenced history.
"There was also a significant spike in world temperatures during the 1400s -- and that was well before the Industrial Revolution," he said "We haven't studied it long enough to know what causes global warming."
Of course, no discussion about global warming can be complete without a reference to the former vice president and the nation's chief fear-monger:
Even Webster, who now lives in Hilton Head, S.C., but flew in this week to moderate the discussion, was flippant.
"Where's Al Gore now?" he joked with the audience, referring to the former vice president and his documentary film, "An Inconvenient Truth," which argues the case for global warming. "You can bet he's not in New York, where they've got nearly 12 feet of snow right now."
No. Remember, Don, recent weather events are only important to these charlatans and fear-mongers if they support a warming trend. You should know that by now.
Update 11:34 by Matthew Sheffield. Is it just me or is this article seemingly tinged with contempt for the meterologists?
I also couldn't help but notice that it has no byline and at the end has an off-topic tribute to a late scientist who lived in Switzerland. It almost seems as if the last graf was added in to assure lefty readers that the Plain-Dealer has not strayed from the faith of global warming and environmentalism.
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Earth
February 16, 2007 - 11:29 ET by iveseenitall"the earth is cyclical" --exactly. We may actually have another Ice Age before we fry up. Just common sense, which is far from common anong the power-hungry libs.
NEVER,NEVER trust a liberal
iveseenitall - if the earth i
February 16, 2007 - 11:35 ET by florida_chadiveseenitall - if the earth is cyclical then how will the GW scienticist continue to get research dollars? Of course there is man made warming happening. Shoot, it was in the 20's here last night ;<}
Cyclical
February 16, 2007 - 11:56 ET by 10ksnookerWhat did Karl Marx call his brand
of socialism? He used the term "scientific socialism", to give it and
air of authority and precision. In the end, all these "socialism" turn
to the bayonet to enforce their will when the people no longer go along
voluntarily. History is your friend.
The Earth has spent far more time as a snowbal than as a temperate place like today. Wouldn't it be ironic if the 70s doomsayers were right? You get two choices, it's either going to get hotter, or it's going to get colder -- But it is going to change.
There seems to be some trouble proving what ended the last ice age 15,000 years ago. It sure wasn't CO2 which was in short supply then.
I would certainly rely more o
February 16, 2007 - 11:42 ET by the_red_stateI would certainly rely more on a group of working professionals in a scientific debate about global warming (particularly since their city just got slammed with 15+ inches of snow) than an arrogant blowhard like Gore whose academic credentials include flunking out of divinity school and is using an issue whose causes and effects are still unresolved to scare unsuspecting people for personal gain.
Tell the same lie often enough, get the MSM to be your outlet, and enough gullible people will believe you. It worked during the Clinton administration...and it is working in the Valerie Plame case as well.
It's nice to see more and mor
February 16, 2007 - 11:47 ET by HumanEventsIt's nice to see more and more people, especially real scientists and climatoligists, speaking out against this global warming nonsense. Good to see a lot of people aren't going to just be intimidated and roll over and play dead.
It's also noteworthy how all the gw skeptics have plenty of substance and facts to back up their stance, whereas the gw proponents are devoid of that. They would rather just declare "the debate to be over" and hope the masses would just blindly accept it because they heard it in "the news". Just like the left likened opposing the Clean Air Act to opposing clean air! And just as the Clintons and MSM never had any substance for the "Clinton Health sCare 'plan' ". Rather, their method of "debating" it was to say if you oppose their "plan" you oppose people having health care!
Liberals can't debate their way out of a paper bag (They'd use the excuse that paper bags aren't environmentally friendly anyway).
Phoenix rises from the ashes? I don't think so.
February 17, 2007 - 06:30 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsIt's nice to see more and more people, especially real scientists and
climatoligists, speaking out against this global warming nonsense.
You got that right. Here we are, record cold February 2007 in most of America, record level snowfall in parts of America, record traffic foul-up due to weather in PA, etc., and we still have the alarmists saying the sky is falling. Sheesh.
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You can also send faxes to your reps for free from NumbersUSA.
I live in Cleveland and am a
February 16, 2007 - 11:51 ET by toolzI live in Cleveland and am a regular viewer of pretty much all of these guys and can say they are all pretty solid and even keeled... We have only one or two "sensationalist" local stations and these guys represent neither. Dick Goddard has been around FOREVER and is a meteorlogical God here... I am not kidding.
Al Gore is nothing but a snak
February 16, 2007 - 11:54 ET by Al CzervikAl Gore is nothing but a snake oil salesman. I'm guessing that we won't hear the MSM calling these meteorologists brave or courageous.
Don't you just love irony?
"He betrayed this country!" "He played on our fears." ~ Al Gore
Funny how this statement fits Al's approach to global climate change/warming...whatever.
Aside from the warming thing,
February 16, 2007 - 11:58 ET by AlgerHissAside from the warming thing, is it just me that thinks Gore has become uber-creepy? I mean....that hair and those growling, fist pounding speeches leave me freaked out.
But back to the warming thing, Living With Ed is a new show on HGTV and it has Al Gore written all over it. It is a show that has Ed Begley in all his frightening glory.
Rochester, Minnesota: A Fem_Leftist City!
Mr. Ed
February 16, 2007 - 13:14 ET by Junk Science SkepticAs much as Begley's personality makes one gag, at least he does "walk the walk" that 99.99999% of the enviro-cult never will. He was actually doing (not talking about) the green thing before he ever got any publicity for it. Too bad it hasn't rubbed off on others in Holly-weird.
Hunter/Giuliani 2008
The author misses the point:&
February 16, 2007 - 12:08 ET by toolzThe author misses the point:
"And, yes, the international report predicted that world temperatures will rise from 3.2 to 7.8 degrees Fahrenheit by 2100 and that sea levels could rise from 7 to 23 inches, leading to worldwide catastrophe.
OK, fine -- but don't get too worked up over it. "
What the weathermen were saying is that, yeah, the Earth may be getting warmer... only that it might very well be a natural occurence bereft of human activity.
Poorly written, editorial one-liners that one would find in a college newspaper.
ALERTthe toolz post has a m
February 16, 2007 - 13:05 ET by Jack BauerALERT
the toolz post has a margin error +/- 100%
Does it strike anyone else
February 16, 2007 - 12:26 ET by Troika37Does it strike anyone else as odd that Mars is warming at the same rate as the Earth? I wonder how man's SUV's and CO2 emmissions got all the way out there...
Darned Martians and their S
February 16, 2007 - 12:38 ET by Dave RDarned Martians and their SUV's! :-)
I hate newspapermen.....I regard them as spies.....If I killed them all there would be news from Hell before breakfast. -Gen. William T. Sherman
i love this line: "I'm
February 16, 2007 - 12:58 ET by pmohbucki love this line: "I'm not sure which is more arrogant for humans: to say we caused it or to say we're going to fix it."
although i hate this frigid weather we're experiencing ... i love the way it has shut-up most of the global warming hysteria. i hesitate to say this, but i almost wish spring was delayed a little so the continued silence of the warming fanatics will expose their hypocrisy to more people.
does anyone else find it mindboggling that on one hand the MSM uses science as a means to preach global warming, but then relies on the habits of a rodent in pennsylvania to announce the arrival of spring?
"at some point people need to realize that there is more to being an american than just exercising his/her rights" - me
Typo Correction
February 16, 2007 - 13:02 ET by Junk Science SkepticNoel: Just a quick correction to your opening paragraph -
"more and more professionals actually involved in the climate industry are speaking out against this man-made myth."
That should actually be "Mann-made myth."
Hunter/Giuliani 2008
JSS
February 16, 2007 - 13:05 ET by Noel SheppardJSS,
Very good. Of course, few would get the pun. And, it ignores all the other useful idiots -- but I still like it! :-) ns
But would it make him a hocky
February 16, 2007 - 19:46 ET by FastEdBut would it make him a hocky puck?
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
Like toolz, I'm also a lifelo
February 16, 2007 - 13:20 ET by IgnatzJFahrquarLike toolz, I'm also a lifelong Cleveland area native and was mildly surprised to see these guys get together and buck the mainstream. Especially Dick Goddard. He's been around a long time and just loves tornado season and the "fear" it brings. It can be sunny and 80 with no rain in the forcast and he'll slip in the ole tornado death and destruction story.
That being said, I've gained some respect for the white-haired "Wooly Bear" forcaster and his stance on the issue.
And for those not in the know, the Plain Deceiver is a liberal rag. It surprises me that they even ran this story. I'm sure we're in store for a week's worth of front page Global Warming / Al Bore articles
Oh, and a memo to these weathermen. Your little community weather forum has assured you that the Weather Channel will not be contacting you anytime soon.
"Reader, suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself." Mark Twain
YV weather guys, huh? Pretty
February 16, 2007 - 13:46 ET byYV weather guys, huh? Pretty desperate. TV meteorology is not climatology.
Oh, and he's not even a good skeptic if he thinks the MWP was in the 1400's.
Where have these guys published their research? Oops, I forgot, they haven't done any.
Where's Al Gore published h
February 16, 2007 - 13:48 ET by Jack BauerWhere's Al Gore published his research?
Scholastic Magazine? Playboy
February 16, 2007 - 19:49 ET by FastEdScholastic Magazine? Playboy Forum? (only read the articles) how's about Climatology for Dummies? authored by algore
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
And climatology is not scienc
February 16, 2007 - 13:48 ET by NL207And climatology is not science either. It does not conform to the scientific method. Think about why this is. Something about experimental test verification? At least the junk Al Gore ad company are peddling certainly does not. For that matter, most of the rest of it, published, peer reviewed, and oherwise does not either.
Oh, and I almost forgot .... These weatherforecasters, 'meteorologists' to the intelligentsia like yourselves, actually predict the weather next week AND GET IT RIGHT more than half he time. This is something the climatologists whose feet you worship have somehow failed to do: Predict the climate and get it right. Their defective models can't even regress over 100% of the historical record and get that right.
ah, but there is a 90% that y
February 16, 2007 - 19:50 ET by FastEdah, but there is a 90% that you and me are responsible - and that's a fact, jack!
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
Hey, throaty - did you get over and correct your post?
February 16, 2007 - 14:25 ET by acaiguanaHey, throaty - did you get over and correct your post?
You know the one, the one where you thought 1/4 was a question mark (?)?
Or not?
ACA
...
Hillary Clinton says: "I want to take those profits."
The Riddler??? Question Mark
February 16, 2007 - 19:53 ET by FastEdThe Riddler??? Question Mark and the Mysterions??
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
The reduction of guiltwobbler
February 16, 2007 - 20:38 ET by UnsaneOf course, if they were as religiously devoted as you are to GW, you wouldn't be able to shut up about their brilliance and genius.
Does moving goalposts give you as much exercise as shouldering that cross of guilt of yours?
(Also, it is good to see you reduced to nothing more than a whiny, drive-by poster who simply is too cowardly to face any music.)
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
Global Warming?
February 16, 2007 - 14:01 ET by serfer62Greenland was named by Leif Erickson cause it was GREEN and used as a pasture by the vikings. Now its snow and ice.
We have had at least 3 Ice Ages. So what happens inbetween Ice Ages?
Global Warming duhhhhh...
Weather
February 16, 2007 - 14:29 ET by m1xramThe weather will continue to change for a long, long time.
George Carlin
Did anyone notice the record
February 16, 2007 - 15:14 ET by ThisnThatDid anyone notice the record low temperatures reported this morning, 16 February? From the WeatherUnderground, by state, they are:
Oklahoma - 25 cities tied or broke low records
Texas - 1
Arkansas - 1
Kansas - 4
I didn't notice any sites reporting record high temperatures yesterday. Maybe I missed all the MSM reports on those high temperatures. Or, maybe Big Al can provide the URL?
The Ice Age commeth -- and I'm gonna make a killing on winter coats!
The russians think so!There i
February 16, 2007 - 19:58 ET by FastEdThe russians think so!
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
They're not alone
February 16, 2007 - 17:42 ET by nkviking75Good for the weathermen in Cleveland! They're not alone. Back in October the three meteorologists at KIMT-TV in Mason City, Iowa, submitted a letter to the editor of the Mason City Globe Gazette stating their belief that there is not enough data to say if global warming is real or not.
Gore
February 16, 2007 - 17:54 ET by pocomocoTipper should tell Al to shutup, thin down, and learn to ski.
I'd like to see Al Gore set u
February 16, 2007 - 18:29 ET by josephsamuelsonI'd like to see Al Gore set up a couple of weather bureaus ... one in the Arctic Circle and one in Antarctica.
Then he can spend the rest of his life shuttling between the two and reporting to the world on the progress of global warming.
Is it just me?Or does Al look
February 16, 2007 - 19:54 ET by BlondeIs it just me?
Or does Al look creepier than usual in this picture?
All greasy and smelly looking?
Is that a compassionate thing
February 16, 2007 - 20:01 ET by FastEdIs that a compassionate thing to say? He's trying to out-slick the absent slickster! As an aside, my daughter and wife happened to "surf" past the garmmy's the other day, and originally though that the algoe was a sikley looking Brian Wilson. Sorry, bad form al.
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
Fast Ed,You've been slacking.
February 16, 2007 - 20:08 ET by BlondeFast Ed,
You've been slacking.
You should have posted an even uglier pic by now!
Sorry about the lack of compassion.
I'm merely a conservative.
No modifiers required.
But this GW thing is a relgi
February 16, 2007 - 20:42 ET by FastEdBut this GW thing is a religious calling for the ex-bible school drop out!
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
Or does Al look creepier th
February 16, 2007 - 20:11 ET by Jack BauerOr does Al look creepier than usual in this picture?
No, it's not you. Paint on a little black mustache and der Gorereh Adolph, or Aldolph.
Bad, Jack.Bad, bad Jack.TIme
February 16, 2007 - 20:15 ET by BlondeBad, Jack.
Bad, bad Jack.
TIme for you to go to your room.
Sheesh. Laughing.
Put a mustache on him....with his hand in the air like that.
Careful....I hear Olbertard!
I'm gonna do it. I e it to
February 16, 2007 - 20:19 ET by Jack BauerI'm gonna do it. I e it to ya tomorrow.
Photoshop, baby!
February 16, 2007 - 20:20 ET by BlondePhotoshop, baby!
Global Warming
February 16, 2007 - 22:23 ET by pbthinkerFor the Media to print this is something. For the weather guys, who must be in fear of losing their AMS credentials, it showed an amazing amount of guts. Somehow, you get the feeling that the "scientists" are striking back on this.
Anyone that lives around the Great Lakes, are they cleaner now that we've taken the phosphorous out of detergents?
Remember when................
February 17, 2007 - 01:42 ET by trebelocIn the 80's the scare tactic was, ACID RAIN! How about this........Global Warming leads to....ACID SNOW/ICE !
Something interesting I learn
February 17, 2007 - 02:52 ET by ckc1227Something interesting I learned yesterday is termites, yes, termites, produce twice as much(maybe more?) Co2 as man. Wouldn't it be more logical, cheaper and more beneficial to eliminate these critters instead of crippling our economy?
Dear UN and Al Gore,
If you don't drop this global warming crap, we will invade your countries, kill your leaders, and convert you to Christianity.
You guys just try too hard.
February 17, 2007 - 03:02 ET by The PhoenixAttempts to try and make a controversy out of Climate change just makes conservatives look stupid. Keep it up.
A former Cleveland wertherman? A truly definitive source. Boy, that makes me want to go out and buy the biggest gas guzzeling vehicle I can find.
From NOAH:
<blockquote>World temperatures in January were the highest ever recorded for that month of the year, US government scientists said.
"The combined global land and ocean surface temperature was the
highest for any January on record," according to scientists from the
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's National Climate Data
Center in Asheville, N.C.
The combined global land and ocean surface temperature was 1.53
degrees Fahrenheit (0.85 Celsius) warmer than the 20th-century average
of 53.6 degrees F (12 C) for January based on preliminary data, NOAA
said.
The figures surpass the previous record set in 2002 at 1.28 F (0.71 C) above average.
Land surface temperature was a record 3.40 F (1.89 C) warmer than
average, while global ocean surface temperature was the fourth warmest
in 128 years, about 0.1 F (0.05 C) cooler than the record established
during the very strong El Nino climate phenomenon in 1998.
A moderate El Nino started in September and continued into January before weakening, NOAA said.
El Nino is an occasional seasonal warming of the central and eastern
Pacific Ocean that upsets normal weather patterns from the western
seaboard of Latin America to East Africa, and potentially has a global
impact on climate.
"The presence of El Nino along with the continuing global warming trend contributed to the record warm January," NOAA said.
"The unusually warm conditions contributed to the second lowest
January snow cover extent on record for the Eurasian continent," it
said.
"During the past century, global surface temperatures have increased
at a rate near 0.11 F (0.06 C) per decade, but the rate of increase has
been three times larger since 1976, or 0.32 F (0.18 C) per decade, with
some of the largest temperature increases occurring in the high
latitudes of the Northern Hemisphere," it said.
Nice straw man, you really knocked him out!
February 17, 2007 - 05:26 ET by trebelocThe fact is that conservatives don’t deny climate change; we deny that man causes climate change. Ice ages come and go on earth which means global warming comes and goes! What about all of the major hurricanes that were going to hit the US in 2006 predicted by GLOBAL WARMING? Didn’t happen! How can we have several feet of snow fall in Alaska and New York during this extreme period of GLOBAL WARMING? Are you stating that EL NINO is a part of GLOBAL WARMING, if not, what the HELL do all of the statistics mean? NOTHING!
Here is a question: If the temperature of the SUN goes up what will happen to the template of the EARTH?
Answer: Global Warming!
One last question: What happened to the Phoenix when he flew too close to the sun?
Answer: The CO2 caused GLOBAL WARMING and melted his wings!
hey treb -- Actually it was
February 17, 2007 - 05:49 ET by Jack Bauerhey treb --
Actually it wasn't the "phoenix" who flew too close to the sun, thus causing him to fall to earth after his manmade wings melted. That was some Greek dude called Icarus who crashed.
Though the general tenor of your post is correct.
Don't forget you are answering a dimwit here.
He thinks thirty years of weather represents at least 4 billion years of climate. And he's an anti-science loon who has no conception of the scientific method of falsification.
And the twit doesn't understand logical fallacies.
Don't forget some "scientists" claim the earth has "heated" up in the past few years. At the same time cell-phone usage of grown exponentially. Therefore it's obvious. Using your cell phone causes globing warming. Ditch that phone dude, and cool the planet.
Apart from that, he can't even think for himself, but just mouths garbage.
Damn. Brain cancer AND glob
February 17, 2007 - 06:30 ET by dahliatraversDamn. Brain cancer AND global warming
yeah -- brain cancer AND glob
February 17, 2007 - 06:37 ET by Jack Baueryeah -- brain cancer AND global warming AND skin cancer.
We're all doomed. And I'd planned to live forever.
Remedial reading lessons are
February 17, 2007 - 06:27 ET by dahliatraversRemedial reading lessons are in order, The. No one denies global warming. We're looking for the evidence that it is man made. We're looking for SOMEONE TO TELL US WHY THERE WERE SEVERAL PERIODS OF PRE-INDUSTRIAL GLOBAL WARMING if man was not tooling around in an SUV spritzing aerosols in his hair. And we're wondering why the scientific method (formulate a hypothesis, gather all relevant evidence, form a conclusion) is out the window when it comes to this phenomenon.
We're looking for the evide
February 17, 2007 - 06:50 ET by Jack BauerWe're looking for the evidence that it is man made.
Actually I'm looking for even the most basic steps of the scientific method.
Experiments that shed light on the hypothesis put forward that mankind is causing "global warming." You know, the basic steps "scientists" take to test any new hypothesis.
Where are the labs testing this hypothesis? Where are the controlled conditions testing the hypothesis.
Sorry, but quoting selected stats and computer models ain't science. That's what politicians and economists do. Interesting, but hardly science.
Did you know that when one third of the global "climate stations" were shut down in 1990, there was an immediate "rise" in the average temperature recorded from the remaining stations.
Hey maybe that proves closing climate stations is causing alleged global warming. That's following the classic post hoc, procter hoc logical fallacies of the Logic Deniers and the Global Dumbing cabal.
Or maybe it might make reasonable people think hey, maybe this shows that there was not longer a fair analysis because the global locations were skewed? Who knows?
Did you know that when one th
February 21, 2007 - 15:45 ET by dscottDid you know that when one third of the global "climate stations" were shut down in 1990, there was an immediate "rise" in the average temperature recorded from the remaining stations.
Do you have a website for that statement? I would like to bookmark that one to bash heads with. Books are good for something you know.
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius
Thanks to NB, I'm currently
February 17, 2007 - 08:46 ET by DyneThanks to NB, I'm currently reading Michael Crichton's State of Fear, and not only is it a great read, but the way it slams anthropogenic global warming AND the fact that the arguments mirror every one in these threads perfectly (ie: Use of scientific studies vs. "Everybody knows it!") is just hilarious.
"I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is to try to please everyone." - Bill Cosby
Dyne, State of Fear is an exc
February 17, 2007 - 13:06 ET by MikeBDyne, State of Fear is an excellent novel, and Mr. Crichten did a tremendous amount of research before he wrote it. Both his footnotes and bibliography are excellent sources of peer reviewed published papers by physicists, climatologists, meteorologists, etc., that question whether global warming is actually happening, or that acknowledge global warming but provide alternative hypotheses as to its origins.
I especially liked the charts that were used in the faux jury selection interview that showed level or decreasing temperatures over the last hundred years or more for several locations over the planet. All the data for the charts were taken from data sets such as NASA-Goddard, GISS (Columbia), CRU (East Anglia), GHCN and USHCN (Oak Ridge)
While Mr. Crichton personally believes that most of the increase in carbon dioxide is attributable to man, and that "part of the observed surface warming will ultimately be attributable to human activity. I suspect that the principle human effect will be from land use (Urban heat island effect) and that the atmospheric component will be minor."
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan