All Three Network Morning Shows Highlight NBA Player's 'I Hate Gay People' Comments

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Here's a double standard on hate. While none of the Big Three networks have mentioned the hate speech of the bloggers (now retired) of the John Edwards presidential campaign, former pro basketball star Tim Hardaway's shocking and repulsive line on a Miami radio show that "I hate gay people" made all three network morning shows on Thursday in the wake of the first former NBA player announcing he's homosexual.

NBC anchor Ann Curry tried to stifle laughs and then said "I'm sorry, America, but it was just so far across the line." ABC reporter Taina Hernandez closed her story with the scolding line "No active NBA player has ever come out of the closet and Hardaway's comments offer a troubling reminder of attitudes that apparently still linger." CBS didn't even mention former Orlando Magic center John Amaechi, whose new book revealed his long-held secret.

Hardaway's comments, first seen by many at the top of the Drudge Report, are newsworthy, although the cultural opinions of basketball stars are rarely in the headlines. But when networks announce a line has been crossed and find "troubling" reminders of lingering attitudes, is that meant just for Hardaway's now-retracted statement of hate, or for anyone who opposes homosexuality as morally wrong?

The Christian attitude of "hate the sin, love the sinner" was absent from Hardaway's comments, and stories on coming out and "homophobia" often completely exclude anyone who would attempt to rebut the politically correct point of view.

NBC carried an anchor brief at about 7:14, then followed up with giggly banter about making Curry want to laugh:

Ann Curry: "Retired Miami Heat guard Tim Hardaway has apologized for remarks he made Wednesday on a radio talk show about last week's announcement that former NBA center John Amaechi is gay. The host had asked Hardaway how he would react, interact with a gay player."

Tim Hardaway: "I hate gay people. So, you know I let it be known, I don't like gay people. I don't like to be around gay people. I don't, you know, yeah I'm, I'm homophobic. I don't, I don't, I don't like it. It shouldn't be in the world for that or in the United States. So, yeah, I don't like it."

Curry, holding back laughter: "Hardaway later apologized calling his comments a mistake."

Curry struggled for self-control through a report on the new dollar coin, and then apologized:

Curry: "I am so sorry that I'm losing it over that one. I am so sorry but I, just, it went so far across the line."

Matt Lauer: "...caught you off, caught you off guard, I know, that's...crazy comment."

Al Roker: "I don't think I've ever seen that happen to Ann."

Curry: "Well you were laughing and that was the problem!"

[Lauer, Roker, Vieira collectively: "Ooooh!"]

Lauer: "That is what we call around here being thrown under the bus."

Roker: "I'm the only one who was laughing? Yes of course."

Curry: "I apologize America but it was just so far across the line."

Roker: "Say hi to your pal Tim Hardaway."

Vieira: "I actually thought, I actually thought in the beginning he was kidding."

Roker: "Maybe it was a joke."

Lauer: "No."

Vieira: "No it was not."

Roker: "Wow that was not a joke."

Vieira: "He has since apologized."

ABC highlighted the controversy at the show's opening, then carried a report at about the same time as NBC, halfway into the first half-hour:

Chris Cuomo: "A former NBA star is backtracking this morning after making stinging comments about gay people. Taina Hernandez has more."

Tim Hardaway: "You know, I hate gay people. You know, I let it be known I don't like gay people, I don't like to be around gay people."

Hernandez: "The in-your-face comments by retired Miami Heat star Tim Hardaway come just a week after another former NBA player, John Amaechi, revealed that he is gay. Amaechi told ESPN that he lived in fear that his teammates would learn of his sexuality.

John Amaechi: "The machismo, it's an amazingly, it's a testosterone riddled group. And it's not just the NBA, it's professional sports."

Hernandez: "Though Amaechi and Hardaway never played on the same basketball team, Hardaway told a Miami sports radio show how he would react to a gay teammate.

Hardaway: "First of all, I wouldn't want him on my team. I think the majority of the players would ask him to be traded or they would want to get traded."

Radio host: "You know that what you're saying there Timmy is flatly homophobic."

Hardaway: "I am homophobic, so, yeah, I don't like it."

Hernandez: "Overall, Amaechi is getting support from, among others, Shaquille O'Neal, and late Wednesday, Hardaway did apologize, saying, yes I regret it, I'm sorry. No active NBA player has ever come out of the closet and Hardaway's comments offer a troubling reminder of attitudes that apparently still linger. For Good Morning America, Taina Hernandez, ABC News.

On The Early Show, CBS anchor Russ Mitchell touched on the story at the top of the 8 am hour without ever mentioning Amaechi:

Russ Mitchell: "A retired NBA player has apologized for saying he hates gay people. Former Miami Heat guard Tim Hardaway made the initial statement to Miami radio on Wednesday."

Tim Hardaway: "I hate gay people. So, umm, umm I let it be known, I don't like gay people. I don't like being around gay people. I don't--you know I am, I'm homophobic. I don't like it, it shouldn't be <inaudible> in the world for it and in the United States for it. So, yeah, I don't like it."

Russ Mitchell: "Hardaway later apologized saying he never should have said what he did."

Only ABC had noticed Amaechi's book before today, on Sunday's Good Morning America. They carried a story on the dangers of "residual homophobia" in sports and noted that Amaechi's book is published by ESPN Books, a corporate cousin of ABC:

Bill Weir: "Well, we turn now to a pro basketball player, the first pro basketball player, to speak out about being a gay man in the NBA, the history of professional sports only a handful of gay athletes have ever ventured out of the closet. And now, Ron Claiborne has details on this particular man's choice."

Ron Claiborne: "Bill, his name is John Amaechi. And he knocked around the NBA for several seasons until his retirement just a few years ago. Amaechi, who was raised in England, has now written a book called, 'Man in the Middle,' and he's speaking out for the first time about what it was like to be a gay player in a very macho sport. John Amaechi spent six years in the NBA. At six foot 10 inches, 270 pounds, he played center for four different teams, and all the while, he lived in fear his teammates might learn his secret that he was gay."

Reporter: "What do you think it is about the NBA lifestyle that wouldn't embrace your choice in life?"

John Amaechi: "The machismo, it's an amazingly, it's a testosterone-riddled group. And it's not just the NBA, it's professional sports."

Claiborne: "Amaechi told ESPN that he was afraid of how his teammates would react if they discovered he was homosexual."

Amaechi: "It, you know, kind of knocks the deck and makes the music jump when you have to think, 'Oh, maybe the person that I really love and support is gay."

Claiborne: "In all of pro basketball, baseball, football and hockey, Amaechi is only the sixth player to publicly disclose that he's gay."

Billy Bean (Former baseball player): "I think that it's great to see images of strong people who have succeeded, like John Amaechi. And you know, this coming out wasn't shrouded in controversy. It wasn't forced. He didn't do something bad."

Claiborne: "But all of the gay athletes waited until after they've retired to come out."

Eric Anderson (sociologist): "They're still afraid of residual homophobia. They're afraid of losing contracts and sponsorships in some team sport. But the reality is is when athletes come out of the closet, in all sports, at all levels, these things don't materialize."

Claiborne: "Anderson says polls suggest the vast majority of pro and college athletes wouldn't care if a teammate revealed that he's homosexual."

Anderson: "Attitudes amongst professional athletes 10 years ago were absolutely not. We would not accept the gay athlete. It would, it would harm team cohesion. I would be uncomfortable with the gay athlete. It wouldn't be tolerated and there would be physical violence. Today, the average statement is more along the lines of, as long as he's a good player, as long as it doesn't interfere with the team, it's not a problem, it's none of my business.

Claiborne: "At least, publicly, the reaction of most NBA players asked about John Amaechi's coming out has been, 'So what?' LeBron James has been one of the few players to say anything critical. He says any player who hides his sexuality isn't trustworthy. Others expressed opinions similar to what Amaechi's former teammate, Tracy McGrady, said, 'I don't care what you are as long as you're doing what you're supposed to on the court.' Now, whether that would really be the case if an active pro athlete ever came out publicly, that has never been tested, not yet. Bill?"

Weir: "It's going to have to be somebody very confident of their abilities on the court."

Claiborne: "Yeah, exactly."

Weir: "Because just for a journeymen like this guy, any stigma may keep him from getting a job. Interesting. Thanks, Ron. And we should mention that 'Man in the Middle' is published by ESPN Books, a division of our parent company."

Update 11:10 by Matthew Sheffield. Too much off-topic posting here again. Locking this thread as well.

—Tim Graham is Director of Media Analysis at the Media Research Center


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Amechi is the new Matthew Sheppard

I was pretty amazed at the extent to which ESPN has been using the Amechi "coming out" to futher homosexual activisism. I always thought that ESPN and Sports in general were pretty "conservative" in their politics but this Amechi thing has really shown that in the end it doesn't matter, the "media" is LIBERAL and will use whatever situation they can to "promote the cause".

A few years ago a guy named Matthew Shepperd was killed, it was said by anti-homosexuals and was the first high-profile "hate-crime" against "gays". The story was played out in the media for weeks as a reason why homosexuals had to be "protected" by the law. It turned out that the guy was NOT killed because he was "gay".

I recently had to get into what could have been an ugly discussion on a Chicago-Based Basketball Forum.

One poster had commented that "the social conservatives were waging a campaign of fear and hate" and that the side that is supporting homosexual marriage and anything else homosexual as normal and healthy was NOT an opinion but a fact. I was also called a bigot.

I tried in vain to show to them that all the "bad" things they were saying about Evangelicals; That they were dogmatic and closeminded about certain things applied to them as well. They refused to think of their position as anything other than enlightened and anyone who thought that homosexuality might be "wrong" or "not normal" was as I said above a bigoted position.

I also tried to point out that their stereo-type view of those who are against homosexuALITY, not the people, was plain wrong and a cariacture painted by the press and homosexual activists but that went nowhere as well.

What is plain to me is that the "campaign" by the press and more importantly by the school system to brainwash kids, at an earlier and earlier age is working quite well.

Well, I hate to be the one to

Well, I hate to be the one to break it to you, but yes, you are a bigot.  Not that there's anything necessarily wrong with that.  It is my belief that you were born that way.  It's something in your genetics.  Don't try to change, because you don't want to change.  Embrace the fact you're a bigot and don't be afraid to let everybody know.  Shout it from the rooftops!  There's no need to be afraid.  Nothing will happen to you. Honestly.

And, by the way...what was the real reason Matthew Sheppard was beaten to death?

20/20 Interview

There was a "20/20" interview a couple of years ago, in which the perpetrators said they killed him over drugs and money.  That whole thing got pretty insane with both sides making a big deal out of it.  Hateful Fred Phelps tried to disrupt the funeral as I recall.  BTW how about those photos of Fred Phelps and Al Gore.  Now I don't think at the time Al Gore probably knew about how hateful Phelps is, but can you imagine what the left wing MSM would do if Bush had a picture with Phelps?  They'd have a field day with that.  I think you can go to www.google.com and type in "Fred Phelps photo with Al Gore" to find the actual photo.  That might put a damper on Gore's Nobel Prize award.

"Neon lights, a nobel prize"  'Cult of Personality'

Sorry, but I think there was

Sorry, but I think there was more to Ann Curry's laughing than what she wants the liberals (especially the homosexuals) to believe.

And, we all have a right to like or dislike whoever we want to like or dislike. I won't say that I don't love the people, as they are human beings, but I strongly dislike homosexuals on a whole. They, as a people, are hurting our nation and their behavior is a slap in the face to God. They target the children. They are going after our freedom of speech. They even want to make embracing them, a prerequisite to getting a job. They are dirty and perverted and it is good to not embrace perverts. I have a right to dislike whomever I choose to dislike, and so does that retired NBA man, Hardaway.

And note: The main-stream-media never has a problem with the homosexuals not liking those who the homosexuals don't like. And the homosexuals can be quite vocal about it.

If I may speak as a man who s

If I may speak as a man who several homosexual men have told is very attractive (in fact more Gays have told me I'm attractive than women... which I don't know is good news or bad news), I agree with Debra.  I look at the reaction to Hardaway's comments and have to think about that line from the last Austin Powers movie where his father says "there are only two types of people I can't stand.  Those who are intolerant of other peoples' cultures... and the Dutch."

Hardaway's comments broached into a meeting I was in at work, by a member of our company's Diversity group, and he mentioned how we need to condemn this sort of talk.  I offered up that I thought that diversity meant that we accept all people and all points of view, not just those that we agree with.  I've always accepted that if I'm expected to accept homosexuals then I should also accept people who don't like homosexuals.  After all, isn't the point of diversity efforts to recognize and celebrate the lives of those who are different than ourselves, and if so, why are so many fans of diversity so in favor of showing preference to some and not to others?  Needless to say... I didn't get much of an answer beyond Hardaway's comments were wrong! 

Now here's this conversation.  Debra writes, very civily, that she doesn't like Gays and that she thinks that folks who dislike Gays shouldn't be punished for saying so.  And you come back and call her a "bigoted a-hole" and a "jerk".  What I take from that is you want people to understand and accept your point of view, and be tolerant of you, but you won't be anything but intolerant of anyone who disagrees with you.  And I'll bet you wonder why you're treated the way you are.

I don't care for the Gay "in-your-face" types, but I work with a couple of openly-Gay guys, and I have two Gays living in the house next to mine.  We work together, go to lunch together, have a BBQ some weekends, etc.  I like them because they're all great guys, not because they're Gay or straight.  They treat me, and everyone, with respect, and they are treated with respect in return.  You might want to think about that before you go calling folks with a different point of view an a-hole or jerk.

Brazulla, a man after my own heart. Clearly thought out.

Brazulla, a man after my own heart.  Clearly thought out.

Good post and good point.

ACA

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Homophobia

Coming soon to a store near you, The Homophobic Translator, that will read our minds and report, to the nearest bath house, those of us having homophobic thoughts.  However, the translator has one drawback, it becomes inoperative when near a church or anyone reading the Bible.

Iconoclast,I've never seen yo

Iconoclast,

I've never seen you post this often in any thread, nor have I seen you pop with such venom, spewing your hate-filled, nasty name-calling all over everyone else like this.  You seem extremely defensive.  Are you a homosexual?

icon doesn't seem hateful in this post to me?

icon doesn't seem hateful in this post to me?

He seems to be disagreeing.  That's Ok, huh?

ACA

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Aca,I said in this thread. 

Aca,

I said in this thread.  Look a few posts up.  He's calling people bigots and a-holes, saying their hearts are rotten and their souls are black.  Pretty angry stuff.

Aca,I said in this thread. 

dp

Still don't see it. But beauty is in the eye... & stuff.

Still don't see it.  But beauty is in the eye... & stuff.

I define thread as the degeneration of comments to single words.  I guess, I see blog posts as the topic post.  Difference of sight, I suppose.

:-)

ACA

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How about if I quote it for y

How about if I quote it for you?  Will that help?  Or you could just look up about three posts.

iconoclast151 Says:February 16, 2007 - 07:44

you do have a right to "not like" homosexuals. but i also have the right to call you a bigotted a-hole for your opinion.

just because you have the right to think something doesn't mean you're exempt from being called a jerk for it.

you're awful paranoid about this "gay agenda". i think you're probably just upset that no one, not even a perverted gay, would ever find you attractive at all. cause your brain is rotten and your soul is black.

We are arguing a non-argument here.

We are arguing a non-argument here.

As I said, beauty is in the eye...

Also, I tried to explain my misunderstanding of your reference as to thread.

If you want to see these posts as hateful; go ahead.  I see them as a pretty feeble attempt to argue a poorly formed position from a pretty shallow mind.

Would you not agree?

ACA

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I think I know what the Gay A

I think I know what the Gay Agenda is, and I can sum it up in one word: Legitimacy.  Gays have been attacked, insulted, berated, killed, and otherwise abused thoughout recorded history.  Homosexuals are deviants, which I don't use in a bad way.  Sexual drive in animals (including humans) is based on the norm of reproduction.  Since homosexuals have sex that is outside the norm, meaning for reproduction, they are a deviation from the norm.  Being deviations, you've been singled out by a long history of tormentors and what Gays want is to legitimize themselves. 

Gays have become extremely legitimized and accepted in entertainment and artistic circles, which has led to wide acceptance throughout the general populace.  Gays have also been widely legitimized by the government and the courts.  But the one thing that's holding the Gays back is the churches.  That same pesky Establishment Clause that keeps nativity scenes off public lawns also keeps the government from being able to tell the churches who they can approve or disapprove of, and that's been a huge brick wall that's been unbreachable.

I think that the mammoth push for Gay marriage has nothing to do with hospital visits or insurance policies (both of which largely dropped their opposition to Gays years ago) and everything to do with forcing churches to recognize, and completely legitimize, the Gays.  I have no doubt that there are plenty of lawyers, who have legal briefs prepared, who are just waiting for the day that Gay marriage becomes legal.  They will swoop in filing lawsuits against church after church to force them to recognize Gay marriages, with the goal being to wear down the churches with endless lawsuits, and at that point you'll in effect have the government determining what religions can believe and preach, which is exactly what the Establishment Clause was written to prevent.

Gay population percentage

I have just one thing to add which puts your post in perspective:

The total percentage of the US population that is gay is...

2%.

Why do you think so? I susp

Why do you think so? I suspect that stat has been ginned-up by advocates, just as I suspect the "10% of people are gay" stat is also ginned up by advocates. I suspect the real figure in humans is around or perhaps a bit less-than 8%. Why? Because rams have nothing to hide, and apparently about 8% of rams are homosexual, and like us, rams are mammals, so I strongly suspect the numbers are similar.
JMR

I disagree with the 2% and 10

I disagree with the 2% and 10% numbers, and I think 100% of human beings are homosexual to one degree or another.  Think I'm nuts right?  Here's my basis for thinking that.  When you go home tonight, stop by a store that sells magazines that focus on Hollywood, actors, singers, etc., and take a look at the current crop of sex symbols (besides me) that hold so much attention.  Take a close look at the facial features... notice anything?  Like maybe all the girls/women have some degree of masculine facial features, while the guys have some degree of feminine features?  I mean shave Brad Pitt's face and give him a wig and he'ld make a pretty nice looking woman, and shave Angelina Jolie's head and strip the make-up and you've got a guy!  Justin Timberlake... I don't think that guy could get anymore feminine looking if he got a boob job, and I'm sorry Arnold, but Maria Shriver has GOT to be a guy!

Pretty much everything that a human being does, from crying to puking to breathing to yawning is a response to an internal stimulus that's as much a part of us as our skin.  What we consider to be emotions are mostly chemical reactions.  That's why two guys walking down a street can look at the same woman and one will say "she's hot!" and the other might say "she's a dog!"... not that guys really talk that way. ;)

I view homosexual drive as being a survival trait that's just as ingrained in us as any other trait.  Just as we have a survival trait that's geared towards reproduction to continue the species, we also have a reverse trait that's engaged when the population gets too large.  I think we're seeing more and more homosexuality because we've defeated most of the threats to our existence - most diseases, most parasetic infestations, lions, tigers & bears, famine, Steve Guttenberg movies, etc., so our biology is changing to help reduce the rate of population growth.  I know this sounds far-fetched to some, but think of how our bodies are designed to supress hunger pangs at some times but not others, or how many of us are usually attracted to people who are very different from ourselves biologically.  There's a reason for that and it has nothing to do with a God, or a devil, or our inner child... it's just our body doing what it does.  And just as clownfish and many other animals can change sex in same sex environments in order to reproduce, I believe that humans have a trait that's triggered by population density to become attracted to someone they can't reproduce with.

I'm unsure about the exact

I'm unsure about the exact number in humans, but I'm sure that homosexuality isn't a choice because by now I'd have chosen it myself, out of intense frustration with the female sex...
JMR

Context (courtesy of Howard

Context (courtesy of Howard 100 News) is that he used to play in San Francisco. THAT must have been interesting....
JMR

What's more important.The &

What's more important.

The "rights" of homosexuals not to have to hear, or read of a citizen proclaiming an opinion that may "offend" their sensibilities.

The "rights" of a citizen to say anything no matter how dumb, intolerant or crazy it may sound to others.

Always remembering that one man's "crazy" is another man's "so what."

Which path is more detrimental to free speech and more condusive to the government proscribing against free speech and free expression?

"Our readers don't give a rat's ass about what you think. They want facts."

Elmore Leonard, 'The Hot Kid'.

Here is a list of emotions an

Here is a list of emotions and reactions you are allowed to have towards rectosexuality : disgust, repulsion, anger [towards the sin, the impenitent, and ESPECIALLY those who preach and teach it], mercy [towards those who want out of that lifestyle], and love [towards those who are actively trying to change their behavior].

Leviticus 18:22

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination [disgusting, abhorrent, and idolatrous].

Leviticus 20:13

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination [something that is disgusting, abhorrent, treasonous, and worthy of death] : they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Romans 1:26-32

(26) For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections : for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

(27) And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.

(28) And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

(29) Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

(30) Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

(31) Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

(32) Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things [like homosexuality] are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them [in others who practice homosexuality].

Hosea 6:9

And as troops of robbers wait for a man, so the company of priests murder in the way by consent: for they commit lewdness.

Hosea 5:4

They will not frame their doings to turn unto their God: for the spirit of whoredoms is in the midst of them, and they have not known the Lord.

johnathananderson...I'd appreciate less prosthelyzing. ACA

johnathananderson...I'd appreciate less prosthelyzing.  ACA

Really, coming here and quoting long posts of Biblical quotes doesn't really make for an argument.  You can believe what you wish; I respect all of that.  But I'm not here for Bible Study class and in fact, not being a Christian, am a little taken aback by these posts of yours on a site that deals with Liberal Bias in the MSM.

I'm sure I do not speak for everyone here, but this is sort of like me bringing Kant or Hume or Thoreau or some Buddhist Monk's tomb to the site.  If you must continue to do this I'd probably have to complain to the Administrator.

I see this as spam and an abuse of the site.

ACA

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I laid the truth out for you

I laid the truth out for you in minute detail and you call it spam?

This is the first post from you that I find myself disagreeing with.

Jonathan - I am quite serious. This is an abuse of the site.

Jonathan - I am quite serious.  This is an abuse of the site.

You might be happier posting on a more religously oriented site.  This site is to combat Liberal Media Bias.  I'm not attacking your belief system, but I am telling you that this type of posting which you have indulged in prior to this is over the top.

ACA

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dittos aca!!There's nothing

dittos aca!!

There's nothing wrong with one's Christian faith informing ones comments here about lib***l bias. That's a given

But posts based solely on quotes from the bible, and nothing else, are becoming a bit tedious, and off the point.

I have used the occasional verse to emphaisize a point I'm making, but arcane arguments on literal interpretations as debating points? I don't see the relevance to NB.

"Our readers don't give a rat's ass about what you think. They want facts."

Elmore Leonard, 'The Hot Kid'.

Thanks for trying to silence

Thanks for trying to silence me and for attacking my freedom of speech, I really appreciate that.

If one can quote from Plato, Aristotle, Abraham Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, or Ronald Reagan why can I not quote from Paul, Moses, David, or Jesus Christ?

No one is trying to silence you jonathan.

No one is trying to silence you jonathan.  I'm trying to point out that if you want to reference the bible, use the references that are standard.  Filling out long quotes and such don't make an argument.

This site does tolerate a lot of references.  But I dislike being preached to.

Thank you very much.

ACA

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Maybe I used 1 or 2 too many

Maybe I used 1 or 2 too many verses ... but, man, they were on point ... they precisely illustrate the root of homosexuals' problem ...

1 - they ignore what God has to say about it,

2 - they don't like to retain God in their knowledge,

3 - Amaechi and others "murder in the way by consent" ... they destroy others' lives by trapping them in the homosexual lifestyle instead of trying to get them out, and

4 - they destroy themselves because they will not frame their doings to turn to God

If one can quote from Plato,

If one can quote from Plato, Aristotle, Abraham Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, or Ronald Reagan why can another not quote from Paul, Moses, David, or Jesus Christ?

John 8:31-32

(31) Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, "If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;

(32) And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

How can you set people free if you are restricted from posting from the source of all truth, the Bible?

Jonathan, prosthelyzing is not the aim of this site.

Jonathan, prosthelyzing is not the aim of this site.

"Set people free" is not the aim of this site.  "Set people free" is what preachers do in church and in their missions.  This is not a mission.  That is my point and you are abusing the site to think that it is your mission to bring your religion to the site and convert people to your beliefs in the way you are approaching the site.

If you want to quote the bible, again, use standard references and stop preaching to us.

ACA

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Hillary Clinton says: "I want to take those profits."

Maybe I used 1 or 2 too many

Maybe I used 1 or 2 too many verses ... but, man, they were on point ... they precisely illustrate the root of homosexuals' problem ...

1 - they ignore what God has to say about it,

2 - they don't like to retain God in their knowledge,

3 - Amaechi and others "murder in the way by consent" ... they destroy others' lives by trapping them in the homosexual lifestyle instead of trying to get them out, and

4 - they destroy themselves because they will not frame their doings to turn to God

Here is the root of homosexua

Here is the root of homosexuals' problem ...

1 - they ignore what God has to say about it,

2 - they don't like to retain God in their knowledge,

3 - Amaechi and others "murder in the way by consent" ... they destroy others' lives by trapping them in the homosexual lifestyle instead of trying to get them out

4 - they destroy themselves because they will not frame their doings to turn to God, and

5 - the preachers, teachers, and messiahs of homosexuality are absolutely impenitent to the cause of SAVING people from this lifestyle

Hardaway is just as likely to

Hardaway is just as likely to be a liberal - in fact probably more likely to be a liberal. I never hear any Christians say they hate gay people. They seem to want to help them and lead them on the right path.

In my experience Liberals are much more likely to make fun of Gay people. Like everything else, they can support them in the abstract as a group, but they have no respect for them as individuals.