Ted Kennedy, Moderate

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Ted Kennedy is a moderate.

Don't believe me? Ask the Boston Globe. Better put, have a gander at the paper's editorial cartoon of today. What does the Globe mean by saying that Mitt Romney "once worshipped at the church of moderation"? No doubt the Globe has in mind Mitt's glory days of 1994, campaigning against Ted Kennedy for his Senate seat.

As the Globe documented here, in 1994, Romney aligned himself with Kennedy on abortion, arguing that it should be safe and legal. He also voiced support for the controversial abortion pill RU-486. And when it came to gay rights, Romney portrayed himself as being an even more ardent advocate for the cause, promising "more effective leadership" than Kennedy on winning "full equality" for gays and lesbians, opposed a federal constitutional amendment banning gay marriage, and advocated gays serving openly in the military.

If Romney, version 1994, who positioned himself if anything slightly to the left of Ted Kennedy on abortion and gay rights, was a moderate, then surely Ted Kennedy is a moderate, too. QED!

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Teddys family crest here

Teddys family crest here

That's a dead link clear ...b

That's a dead link clear ...

but let me guess, his latin motto is..

in loco dementis

"Our readers don't give a rat's ass about what you think. They want facts."

Elmore Leonard, 'The Hot Kid'.

Jack...The link works for me?

Holy Cow! If Ted Kennedy i

Holy Cow! If Ted Kennedy is a "moderate", how the hell do you describe a "liberal"??????

BTW, the links don't work for me either....the site says "Forbidden".

Clear thinker- no go on the l

Clear thinker- no go on the link for me as well. Is this perhaps an onlne gallery that is recognizing your computer's access rights?

Holy Cow! If Ted Kennedy i

delete double post

To the liberal media, there i

To the liberal media, there is no such thing as a liberal. Liberals are moderates or normal people. Moderates are right wingers and conservatives are extremists. No wonder they don't see themselves as having a liberal bias. In their eyes it's not even possible.

Yes, Republican Mormon Mitt R

Yes, Republican Mormon (not a Biblical Christian) Mitt Romney also broke the law in Massachusetts when he gave his orders to "marry" homosexuals. To read up on this, go to: http://www.debrajmsm...

debra's not a biblical christian

Romney is a Mormon who has his own attachments; the Book of Mormon and connections back to false ministers, Joseph Smith and Brigham Young. Nevertheless, he's an American citizen, which gives him every right to run for public office. I believe Orrin Hatch is from the same church, and he's had a career in our GOP; nothing spectacular.

But after all, the one here who looks down her protestant nose at this man is not a "biblical" Christian either. For her to pass judgment on the Christian credentials of anybody else, is hypocritical. Nothing in Debra's background entitles her to pick holes in anyone's religious faith.

Her own faith goes back to the reformers of early 1500's, likely the heretical Henry VIII, who died in bed of syphylis. He confiscated the properties of every Catholic in Britain (he was their king) and deposed the genuine Church authorities there by threats of decapitation. Quite a nasty man, every bit as culpable as Joseph Smith and Brigham Young.

But Debra will support his heresy, or the John Knox, Jean Calvin, Swingli, Martin Luther heresies. None of whom was a sinless man. Why then is Debra aghast at Mr. Romney?

We have ONE Catholic believer --the true "biblical" Christian --in this presidential race. He is Ben Brownback. An excellent Christian despite the disgrace (IMHO) of belittling Geo W Bush during a period of WAR. That, I'm afraid, makes him a longshot candidate. A non-starter for the presidential seat. Of course, to Debra the disgrace of being a Catholic will certainly weigh against Brownback anyway; she of Bible Belt puritanism.

I can't understand why she backed off answering my direct challenge of Friday, when I asked her to show us a few pertinent Bible passages that would have boosted her own biblical credentials. But she fell apart. --WHY? How come ? She'd be in a better position to lie about the Catholic faith, if only she answers my direct questions.

Oh and tell me, old "wis

Oh and tell me, old "wise" one, what did I have for breakfast this morning?

My faith-beliefs have their origin in the Bible. They go back to when Jesus set up His church on The Word of God (Himself, The Rock). My faith is the same faith that Mary, Paul, and Peter had in Christ. It was before Catholicism, before Mormonism, before anything. God's Word has always been and will never perish. The KJV was simply commissioned by King James to be translated into his language--he did not translate it.

The B - I - B - L - E.... Yes, that's the book for me. I stand alone on the Word of God, The B - I - B - L - E. :o) 

blessed are the bible thumpers?

You have no biblical wisdom PERIOD. All you believe in is your private interpretation of the Bible. The Bible is a SILENT witness to your folly. It alone cannot correct your misinterpretation.

The Bible in order to be inerrant and Holy needs infallible interpretation; a Guardian against human error. You have none.

He was only sent to the Catholic Church (John 16, :7 to :14) founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles. His name is the Spirit of truth. The Holy Spirit, our guarantor of inerrant teaching; biblical and Tradition. Without Him you are adrift on the seas of false Christianity and false doctrine.

Your heretical ministers threw away the baby with the bathwater trying to be reformers. They threw out the doctrines of Peter and the other apostles. Just as the Pharisees declared Jesus an outsider and a sinner, you call His Holy Church unbiblical! You might as well be Joseph Smith. (All his ancestors were Catholics as well as yours).

So sad. So lost.

So sad. So lost.

you failed to see this:

Just as the Pharisees declared Jesus an outsider and a sinner, you call His Holy Church unbiblical!

Jesus was seen as "lost," by the Pharisees of Jersalem. They were readers of scripture just as Debra is; they read but misconstrued everything. What were their words, after a finicky one suggested Jesus could really be the promised Messiah-?

"Are you also a Galilean? Search the scriptures and see; that out of Galilee arises no prophet !" ------Were they "sad? and lost?" --No, not for you. For you they were believers, because they read the scriptures! I have to feel sorry for you, Deb.

I just prayed for you. Seriou

I just prayed for you. Seriously, stop worshiping your Catholic church and call on Jesus in truth.

glad to hear that

Debra, I appreciate your prayer. I pray as well, that you'll come back to the Holy Church of your ancestors. (They did not worship the Church, they worshipped Our Saviour Jesus Christ. Your ancestors were Catholics. Peter and Paul were Catholics. Luther and Henry VIII were Catholics and then deserted the Church Jesus founded. The only One.

We worship Jesus Christ, not the Church. I've loved Christ all my life. He answers my prayers, too. I also read and understand the scriptures. I'll pray for your conversion today.

Only God is Holy. And Peter a

Only God is Holy. And Peter and Paul, as well as Mary, were not Catholic. The Catholic church did not even come to be till late into the 4th century.

immune to facts, history, and logic

Debra,

Just to warn you, Tumbler is immune to facts, history, and logic.

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"One thing that seperates liberals from conservatives is that liberals are craftier and work without the hinderance of a conscience." --Lynn Wooley

dear debra once again

I saw this only today:

"Only God is Holy. And Peter and Paul, as well as Mary, were not Catholic. The Catholic church did not even come to be till late into the 4th century."

You're no authority in any part of these truths. You're a free-lance Bible-reader. Yes; God is All-Holy. but even the space upon which he dwelt was once called "holy of holies," The mother of God is HOLY, because she is Christ's mother and He is God. The angel called Mary "Full of grace."

The Holy Catholic Church was founded in 33 A.D. by none other than Jesus Christ, which means Peter & Paul, the apostles, and the Church all are Catholic, meaning Universal. Your own ancestors were also Catholics. By the 4th century A.D., many Catholic martyrs were already entombed in the catacombs of Rome. You should read the first verses of Romans; and see where the Catholic Church was in Paul's day. He says it himeself.

You try here to contadict him, but you can't. You cannot even be ordained. Since your authority is non-existent, you shouldn't be heard, you should only listen and learn. I'll surely pray for your eyes to be opened.

debra on a roll:

Here's Debra, just like the Pharisee;

"Search the scripture and see, out of Rome is no universal Church. Debra says it all happened in 1520 when Luther broke out with faith alone. Jesus was keeping him a secret; and now she follows his gospel.

Paul, however, says to the Romans: "your faith is proclamed all over the world." (Rom 1, :8 // He wrote this just a few years after Jesus' ascension into heaven. Nothing there about any 4th century Church. Nothing there about Martin Luther, either; or Henry VIII. Are you sure you're in Christ's church, Debra?

Romney...

Romney will end up being a non-factor. Go Rudy! Rudy has the temperment that is needed now, more than ever. I look forward to watching Rudy answer questions and provide a vision for America that reflects a realistic understanding of what is needed and what works. It is time to tell the nut cases like Pat Robertson (I am a born again Christian who finds this man to be a theological bastard and poli-Christ opportunist without any genuine respect for social and political realities) to sit down and shut up already and discover what genuine leadership is about...not someone who answers to no one and imagines himself to be a Prophet (what a damnable joke and heresy). Naivety and mediocracy has found its end with our current President and it is time for season and mature leadership with realistic answers (forgive me for going a bit off topic).

If you claim to be a conservative, please don't disgrace yourself and conservatism by thinking and arguing like a liberal. Go Rudy!

I truly admire Giuliani

Of almost all the candidates, Rudy is the most charismatical and politically gifted.

But I can reject even him in favor of a socially conservative Republican. Giuliani is a RINO, and everybody knows it. He'll have trouble roping in any southern votes; since he's a gay pandering, pro-abortion, gun controlling liberal. I suspect he already concedes he can't win the White House, despite crowing the other night, "'Um in it to win!"

Realistically, he must be hoping for 2nd spot on the ticket. Or, more realistically, an important cabinet post in the event a Republican manages to win 2008. He knows that'll virtually fall in his lap if he plays the cards right.

Hmmm

I'm a Mormon Republican...but I'd vote for Newt over Romney. I'd say over 80% of active Mormons vote Republican.

- CABE -

CABE,I'm also a Mormon repu

CABE,

I'm also a Mormon republican, and I agree. I would definitely prefer Gingrich to Romney or Giuliani.

It seems silly to vote for someone just because of their religious beliefs. I wish some of the more anti-mormon protestants and catholics here would realize that we are on the same side. Orthodoxy and conservatism transcend religious boundaries.

Dear Sean

You're right.

I'm a Catholic who has voted for both of the Bushes and Reagan, who were not Catholics. I would surely vote for a Mormon, if he were my only alternative. We rarely have the opportunity of voting for Catholics or Mormons.

I find it strange, "Orthodoxy and conservatism transcend religious boundaries." Mormonism is far from an orthodox religion. I'm a little confused, really; how a faith of some truly good values can have strayed so far from orthodox Christianity. Seeing this, a faithful Catholic is necessarily leery. You wonder for a Mormon's sanity. Partly because of the bizarre beliefs; not only inbred communities with a larger part of the families all stemming from only a few common ancestors. Even today when polygamy is limited to a few clandestine families it's entirely possible that in the state of Utah one patriarch may be the great grandfather of 5,000 people? -- Nothing but bizarre, IMHO.

But when it comes to governing, do these facts mean anything? No.

They only cast a morbid light on the person who lives in such darkness. (Sorry to put it so harshly. I wish there were some nicer way.) The irregularity cannot be avoided.

I'm also a Mormon Republican.

I'm also a Mormon Republican. Unfortunately, for me no one Presidential front runner for the Republican ticket stands out as the obvious choice. Each has their "baggage" so to speak. It may come down to whoever has the most money.

I'm not sure exactly what SeanSt meant. The Mormon faith is a restorationist church which means that we believe that it is restored to Christianity's orthidox roots of apostles, prophets, and revelation. Perhaps this is part of what SeanSt was saying?

People shouldn't fear Romney's Mormonism. As the fourth largest denomination in the United States, people are increasingly going to need to come to terms with it and realize that it is a firm Christian faith. Already there is a sizeable number of Mormons serving in Congress, the Senate, and various other government positions.

tick, tick, tick......the cou

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Religious "discussions"

Yeah...I think...now, I'm just thinking here...but I think I'll stay out of this "discussion".  Oh, but I'd like to get into it.  Yes, I really really would.  Someone please hold me back.