Making up for advancing the view that soldiers in Iraq are upset by anti-war opponents at home? Exactly two weeks after the NBC Nightly News featured a report from Richard Engel about how “troops here say they are increasingly frustrated by American criticism of the war,” Friday's NBC Nightly News ran a dispatch from Engel which showcased soldiers who want the war to end. Engel ran just one soundbite, from a Staff Sergeant with the First Infantry Division, who declared: “It is pretty much almost a lost cause. I mean, nothing it seems we do is doing any good. Every country goes through a civil war. So, I mean, maybe it'd be better for them to have a civil war and hash it out and then try to help them after that." Engel added about the unit he had traveled with which narrowly escaped an IED explosion: “They all told me it's time to end this war. And, Brian [Williams], the soldiers also asked why it seems from here there are no plans to end the war, just discussions of battle tactics?" (Screen shot is of Engel inside the Army convoy vehicle)
My January 26 NewsBusters item (with video), “NBC's Engel Relays Frustrations of Soldiers Disturbed by Opposition to War Back Home,” recounted:
[The January 26] NBC Nightly News gave rare voice to soldiers in Iraq disturbed by criticism of the war back home. Embedded with the Army's Stryker Brigade's Apache Company (the Fort Lewis, Washington-based 1st Battalion of the 23rd Infantry Regiment) in Hurriya, Richard Engel relayed how “troops here say they are increasingly frustrated by American criticism of the war. Many take it personally, believing it is also criticism of what they've been fighting for. Twenty-one-year-old Specialist Tyler Johnson is on his first tour in Iraq. He thinks skeptics should come over and see what it's like firsthand before criticizing." Johnson asserted: “You may support or say we support the troops, but, so you're not supporting what they do, what they're here sweating for, what we bleed for, what we die for. It just don't make sense to me."
Staff Sergeant Manuel Sahagun directly took on the spin of war critics, complaining that “one thing I don't like is when people back home say they support the troops, but they don't support the war. If they're going to support us, support us all the way." Engel soon powerfully concluded: "Apache Company has lost two soldiers, and now worries their country may be abandoning the mission they died for.”
After the January 26 report aired, an outraged Williams Arkin, a military analyst for NBC News, posted an angry screed on his daily WashingtonPost.com blog in which he scolded the soldiers for daring to be critical of Americans back home:
....I'm all for everyone expressing their opinion, even those who wear the uniform of the United States Army. But I also hope that military commanders took the soldiers aside after the story and explained to them why it wasn't for them to disapprove of the American people....These soldiers should be grateful that the American public, which by all polls overwhelmingly disapproves of the Iraq war and the President's handling of it, do still offer their support to them, and their respect.
Through every Abu Ghraib and Haditha, through every rape and murder, the American public has indulged those in uniform, accepting that the incidents were the product of bad apples or even of some administration or command order....
We pay the soldiers a decent wage, take care of their families, provide them with housing and medical care and vast social support systems and ship obscene amenities into the war zone for them, we support them in every possible way, and their attitude is that we should in addition roll over and play dead, defer to the military and the generals and let them fight their war, and give up our rights and responsibilities to speak up because they are above society?"...
For a more extensive excerpt from Arkin's January 30 rant, check the February 2 MRC CyberAlert.
The segment on the February 9 NBC Nightly News:
Brian Williams: “We have an unusual and unexpected firsthand look tonight at just how dangerous it is on the ground in Iraq. Our veteran correspondent Richard Engel was embedded today with the U.S. First Infantry Division in a Sunni neighborhood called Adel in western Baghdad. It was billed as a routine patrol, part of this new security crackdown. What you're about to see, as Richard now reports for us, is what passes for routine in Iraq these days.”Richard Engel: “Our patrol was headed to a mosque, just a routine mission to monitor the Friday sermon. But as the convoy passed a trash dump -- soldiers call it the death field because of all the bodies they find here -- an IED exploded. It was detonated by remote control. We got lucky. It was badly timed and exploded just ten feet away. I was taping with a small camera.”
Engel to his camera: “Inside here it still smells like gun powder. Luckily we were able to drive through it and no one in this convoy was injured. But we're still assessing, checking if there are any other bombs in the area.”
Engel, back to narrating: “The soldiers call this 'gettin' blown up.'”
Copley: “It gets the adrenaline going a little bit, don't it?”
Engel, in the Humvee, responding: “I certainly does.”
Engel: “It's the second time in less than two weeks for Staff Sergeant Chris Copley.”
Voice: “How you feeling?”
Copley: “A little shook up, but I'm good.”
Engel: “But back at the patrol base, Copley and others wondered what are they doing out here?”
Copley: “It is pretty much almost a lost cause. I mean, nothing it seems we do is doing any good. Every country goes through a civil war. So, I mean, maybe it'd be better for them to have a civil war and hash it out and then try to help them after that.”
Engel: “The soldiers eventually decided to monitor the sermon from a rooftop. They all told me it's time to end this war. And, Brian, the soldiers also asked why it seems from here there are no plans to end the war, just discussions of battle tactics. Brian?”
Williams: “And Richard, their attitude as usual is unbelievable towards all this violence. You again today got very lucky as you said. Got very fortunate. Do they at least feel as well equipped as they possibly could be against this threat, this IED threat that's been around a long time, but is getting more specific?”
Engel: “Certainly. The vehicles they travel in are much more protected than the ones used early in the war. Had this been one of the earlier modeled up-armored Humvees, there probably would have been casualties. There were no casualties in this attack today. Still, these Humvees are not impenetrable. Earlier in the week, some of the soldiers I was embedded with were hit by a larger IED. That IED tore the door off the Humvee and the soldier inside had to have both of his legs amputated.”
What are the chances Arkin will denounce Copley?
—Brent Baker is Vice President for Research and Publications at the Media Research Center





Staff Sergeant Manuel Sahagun directly took on the spin of war critics, complaining that “one thing I don't like is when people back home say they support the troops, but they don't support the war. If they're going to support us, support us all the way." Engel soon powerfully concluded: "Apache Company has lost two soldiers, and now worries their country may be abandoning the mission they died for.”
Copley: “It is pretty much almost a lost cause. I mean, nothing it seems we do is doing any good. Every country goes through a civil war. So, I mean, maybe it'd be better for them to have a civil war and hash it out and then try to help them after that.” 















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NBC memo to Richard Engel: Ge
February 9, 2007 - 21:33 ET by Mica the MagnificentNBC memo to Richard Engel: Get the 'Iraq' story right, or you'll be the one to turn out the lights in Baghdad when our troops leave.
Yes, yes. It's a tatoo. That's right, a tatoo. I will not answer how I got this thing, this tatoo. - Rosie's answer when asked why she has something on her arm that reads 'property of the double bar cow ranch.'
War
February 10, 2007 - 11:20 ET by BBallleaperCome'on friendly fire!!
The totality of what is happe
February 9, 2007 - 21:52 ET by Clear thinkerThe totality of what is happening is making me sick. The liberal ass kissing MSM has been hoping to break the spirit of our fighting men and women in Iraq using a constant drumbeat of 'we can't win' or 'Bush lied soldiers died', etc. Well, all you peices of crap, you may have finally made a difference.
If things go really bad in Iraq and our troops come home demoralized, I pray that everyone in uniform get's the chance to spit in the face of those here in our own country that was rooting for the enemy the whole time.
Please excuse my swearing, but I'm so damn mad!
You put it more than nicely C
February 9, 2007 - 21:58 ET by bigtimerYou put it more than nicely CT....Amen to your post!
I am furious too!
bt...I am so sick of liberal
February 9, 2007 - 22:04 ET by Clear thinkerbt...
I am so sick of liberal ideology I am officialy fighting mad. I only wish there was more I could do.
thinking
February 9, 2007 - 23:05 ET by the mad poleThinker, you have influenced my thinking and a ripple becomes a wave . Do not under estimate your actions.
For a start, write an angry l
February 10, 2007 - 15:08 ET by Del DolemonteFor a start, write an angry letter to NBC's owner, General Electric. Tell them you will no longer buy any of their products. To take it a step further, actually watch NBC Nightly News some night from beginning to end, and keep a log of all of their advertisers. Then write to all of them to let them know you will be boycotting their products in the future.
BT - my sentiments exactly!
February 9, 2007 - 22:12 ET by Cape ConservativeBT - my sentiments exactly!
Sick Cowards and turncoats
February 9, 2007 - 23:38 ET by pickerseniorAll Williams, NBC, and his sick autistic shill Engle, who we are to feel sorry for (previous NBC piece), want to do, is destroy our freedoms and way of life, give up on Iraq and badmouth the troops. It wouldn't surprise me if Engle slipped that Sergant a girl and booze to get him to make his traitorous remarks on National TV.
There was a time in this country, that these kind of activities could result in Firing Squads. Maybe it's time to go back to that.
I would like to see what these idiots say when the Insurgents, and the rest of their related animals follow our withdrawn troops home, and continue the carnage here.
CT - you bet I'm damn mad too!
Pickersenior
Amen to that Clear Thinker.
February 10, 2007 - 00:12 ET by terrigAmen to that Clear Thinker. Engle & Williams make me sick. Now idiots like Arkin will claim they were right. However, like in any organization there are 10% of those who hate their jobs. I guess Engle stumbled upon one of the 10%. I will say my husband who arrives back in Hawaii this evening around midnight from Iraq said he's demoralized with the "support" he's seen on the MSM and in the Congress. He's fed up with it as a matter of fact. He still believes in his mission but he's tired of fools like this Copley guy who are out there. He said most everyone he knew ignored people like this Sgt. who isn't a happy camper. I mean even O'Reilly said he talked with like 200 guys and gals and found about 10 that weren't happy campers. If you look hard enough, you'll find them and I guess that's what Engel did. He should be ashamed but he's proud, as is Arkin and Williams. Hubby does feel that those types are rooting for the enemy to win. He's really, really, really, angry.
I'll be taking a few days to get reacquainted with the hubby again. I know he's much more changed this deployment. He said the first, that everyone was behind them and that made a difference. Unfortunately, the liberal lugnuts are making enroads and proudly demoralizing the military again. They make me and him sick.
Terrig please have your husband read this sight
February 10, 2007 - 03:09 ET by Carl KolchakTerrig, I grew up in military posts for the first 18 years of my life. My dad is a Vietnam Vet, and most of my friend's dads were also Vietnam Vets. I was extremly proud of these men. None of them boasted about how great they were, they were proud of the fact they were serving in the United States Army, and were ready to do what was asked of them in a moment's notice. Please let your husband know how proud we are of him, and his service to his country. He is an outstanding person, and we thank God for people like him and don't take him for granted.
"Here's to the Wall that bears their name, here's to you my little loves with blessings from above, now let the day begin" 'Let the Day Begin'
I see misery ahead.
February 10, 2007 - 09:23 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsClear thinker (and others here) You have it right and it makes me sick also. I feel we have lost not only Iraq but we have also come to the brink of losing America. I don't know what it will take to get us back on track. I am so sad to think that but it seems to me to be true. Look at what we are up against:
I see no turning back from the course we are on. The democrats want America to become like the failure that is called the European Union, and the UN and they are now in charge. I see misery ahead.
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wow, I didn't know about Will
February 9, 2007 - 22:07 ET by Conservative in the Artswow, I didn't know about William Arkin's rant. That is a big middle finger to the troops while saying "we support you."
"....I'm all for everyone expressing their opinion," except for when it's something I don't like.
what a nut job!
Here is what some of us in th
February 10, 2007 - 00:32 ET by bigtimerHere is what some of us in this country say back!
Williams: “And Richard, the
February 9, 2007 - 22:07 ET by bigtimerWilliams: “And Richard, their attitude as usual is unbelievable towards all this violence. You again today got very lucky as you said. Got very fortunate.
He got lucky?
Please, his a$$ is protected by our military.
I just wished someone would drop him off accidentally of course somewhere in the middle of a bad area and oops forget to pick him up...let him thumb it...all the way back to the US.
He is a vile piece of work, along with Williams and all their enemy of this country ilk.
You said it all, CT!!! I wi
February 9, 2007 - 22:11 ET by Cape ConservativeYou said it all, CT!!! I wish the "embeds" program had never been started. Funny how the WWII journalists had enough sense and love of America to keep sensitive material quiet - and they backed our fighting men - not trying to get them to turn on their own country!
It is incomprehensible that E
February 9, 2007 - 23:18 ET by bassndudeIt is incomprehensible that Engel would manipulate the truth like this, just to further demoralize our fighting men and women. As far as wanting to end the war, I am sure that we all wish to end the war. I know of no one that wishes to keep a war going just for the sake of war. While I was in the military, I wanted an end to the war. But I wanted to end it on my terms, not the terms of Cronkite and his ilk. I am sure the soldiers today feel the same way.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Unusual and unexpected
February 9, 2007 - 23:36 ET by SportPoliticsI see, so the unusual and unexpected report, that is billed as routine, is actually routine, but of course it's unusual and unexpected, since the news rarely has it.
LOL
Do liberals always manage to lie ?
Do liberals always manage to
February 9, 2007 - 23:44 ET by bigtimerDo liberals always manage to lie ?
SP....It's a given!
Engel ran just one soundbit
February 9, 2007 - 23:54 ET by awffp1890Engel ran just one soundbite from a Staff Sergeant. “They all told me it's time to end this war. What? They all? I have heard from many soldiers who agree with what is hapening and that we need to see this through.
Seems Engel is stretching the truth. I can't imagine that from someone in the msm. Oh wait....
"Not for fame or reward, not for place or rank, not lured by ambition or goaded by necessity. But in simple obedience to duty." - From the barracks at Ft. Benning
Tokyo Rose is still in busin
February 9, 2007 - 23:56 ET by Scout FinchTokyo Rose is still in business. Only this time she's gained American citizenship and is joined by many more like her.
How do these people sleep at night?
SF,....Or look in the mirror
February 9, 2007 - 23:58 ET by bigtimerSF,
....Or look in the mirror in the morning.
Very well. Counting the mo
February 9, 2007 - 23:58 ET by awffp1890Very well. Counting the money they are paid to spew forth their crap.
"Not for fame or reward, not for place or rank, not lured by ambition or goaded by necessity. But in simple obedience to duty." - From the barracks at Ft. Benning
I want to know what the troop
February 10, 2007 - 00:08 ET by GBAI want to know what the troops are really thinking, and I'm even willing to believe that they are fed up and want to pack it in and come home. However, I am going to have to hear that from a more reliable and unbiased source than NBC news. Just yesterday I attended a presentation by an Iraq war veteran who gave us two solid hours of positive info on the work they are doing to bring democracy to the country and rebuild the infrastructure. He says the Iraqis in the streets are still happy to see them, and they understand what America is doing to help them. Much like America, a vocal (and/or violent) minority with a good PR team can give the impression that things are terrible and getting worse. One of the points of the presentation yesterday was that we aren't getting this news on CNN and that "CNN is not on our side." He also commented on a Washington Post reporter who showed up, talked to the folks assigned to this particular base, and then went home and wrote a story that was exactly the opposite of true. He believes strongly in the mission, and when asked, said that if we quit now, he believes all the work that has been done so far will probably be undone. So for me right now, the score is 1 Veteran for staying, 1 Media source for leaving. That's no contest, I'm sticking with the Vet.
"They all told me it's
February 10, 2007 - 01:42 ET by truth_missile"They all told me it's time to end this war..." I don't doubt this statement (except for the use of 'all') what they mean is LET'S END IT - LET US DEFEAT THE ENEMY AND GET THE HELL OUTTA HERE. Not retreat you bastard Engel.
Again, here we have a Useful
February 10, 2007 - 01:54 ET by Chicago RepublicanAgain, here we have a Useful Idiot Media that ignores the shoes being thrown at Saddam's falling statue, ignores the stories from the average Iraqi's that are greatful that they don't live in a fear society, ignores the scores of OIF servicemen that re-enlist and go back for mulitiple tours, some giving their lives because they believe in the mission. And Dark Helmet here finds an anecdotal case and 'voila!', the troops want to shitcan the mission. That's first class reporting! See the OIF servicemen running from the NVA troops of Tet in 2007! That's what I call responsible journalism.
http://newsbusters.org/node?from=240
February 10, 2007 - 03:00 ET by Chicago RepublicanI'm sorry, I just can't help it. These little 130 lb self righteous wusses throw a combat helmet on and tell us how OIF is just falling apart. Meanwhile American Servicemen just re-enlist and get the job done.
Allow me to correct your gram
February 10, 2007 - 07:06 ET by josephsamuelsonAllow me to correct your grammar ... "these little 130 lb. self-righteous PUSSIES throw a combat helmet on ... ".
I like that quote from William Tecumseh Sherman " ... newspapermen are spies ... ". Damn right.
Thanks Chicago Republican
February 10, 2007 - 07:24 ET by SportPoliticsThanks Chicago Republican, those two posts there put the perspective on it. The media spin is something else, and I certainly don't believe that most Americans figure out or get what you said above, and they need to be told by someone. I think the news knows that, and that's why they do what they do.
They went insane over "what FoxNews viewers thought about Saddam/AQ/911 linkage in their polls."
They run the USA and the electionsby their polls.
There is no doubt they understand they can make a huge, huge influence.
4. They'ell play it for all it's worth, and pretend unto death it never happened.
Classic MSM tactic ... when y
February 10, 2007 - 06:54 ET by josephsamuelsonClassic MSM tactic ... when you can't find ANYONE to back up your liberal by-line go find that one guy who's at the end of his rope and get a soundbite for your cause.
3rd time could be the charm Engel
February 10, 2007 - 08:50 ET by CTOnce the Troops in the Army's Stryker Brigade's Apache Company get a load of Richard Engel's latest maybe they will provide their favorite embed with a better position from which to observe the action. Say as a hood ornament on a certain sergeant’s lead vehicle on the next patrol!
"...time to end this war
February 10, 2007 - 14:13 ET by Rackie"...time to end this war..." as in pounding these murderous, inbred, 7th century, stone worshiping troglodytes into dust so we can come the hell home.
LET THE DOGS LOOSE!
Embedded journalists
February 10, 2007 - 14:16 ET by misterbillEmbedded journalists. Forgive me Lord for my unkind thoughts. I would like to embed Engels face into the dirt under my boot.
"Truth exists, only falsehoods must be invented."
Mr. Bill...I second your wish
February 10, 2007 - 18:13 ET by Clear thinkerMr. Bill...
I second your wishes. However, I will replace my boots for golfing shoes... you know, the ones with the spikes!
Excellent thought!
February 10, 2007 - 18:21 ET by misterbillExcellent thought! In his case, the holes may let some light (knowledge) in!
PS I knew there was a reason I never threw thos old golf shoes away.
"Truth exists, only falsehoods must be invented."
For those of you that don't h
February 10, 2007 - 21:12 ET by mostlymoderateFor those of you that don't have children fighting in Iraq. Imagine your son or daughter getting picked on by a bully at school. Then, imagine yourself rooting for the bully. That is how I see the far-left treating America. How can anybody do that?
One more rant: I never liked George W. as a president. He definitely is no Ronald Reagan. I also think he could have handled things a little better in this war. HOWEVER, that gives me NO logical reason NOT to support a war that we are already in and the troops that are fighting for me. NBC needs to change their name. They are NOT the "national" broadcasting company anymore. They are something MUCH different...
My son-in-law just got back from Afghanistan.
February 10, 2007 - 21:17 ET by acaiguanaMy son-in-law just got back from Afghanistan.
He is thoroughly pissed. About the entire Democrat War on the War.
ACA
...
Hillary Clinton says: "I want to take those profits."
Bless your son-in-law. There
February 10, 2007 - 21:45 ET by mostlymoderateBless your son-in-law. There are STILL those of us out here that appreciate them 110%
ACA - I echo what MM says.
February 10, 2007 - 21:48 ET by Chicago RepublicanACA - I echo what MM says. Freedom is not a given in this world, it is a gift of God handed down through the blood of our ancestors to be preserved by those who understand it precariousness.
Couldn't agree more! War is
February 11, 2007 - 03:22 ET by mostlymoderateCouldn't agree more! War is hell. War sucks. War is a horrible, horrible thing. HOWEVER, this great nation of ours never obtained liberty or freedom without a fight. It ALSO will never hold on to liberty or freedom without fighting.
Not to be cliche, but you are either WITH us or AGAINST us. The MSM has made up their mind. So be it.
If I were a seer---
February 12, 2007 - 13:33 ET by misterbillIf I were a seer---and foresaw the current state of affairs in Iraq, I MIGHT hold a different position. Since I am not a seer and no one else I know of is a seer, then everyone should feel as you do. I certainly do. You may be modest about it, but you are displaying traits that I look at as patriotic and loyal.
The only way to win is to do what is necessary to win.
"Truth exists, only falsehoods must be invented."
Ask the liberals!!!!!!!!!
February 11, 2007 - 21:39 ET by GregEI'm waiting for an interviewer (yes, I realize I'm dreaming) to ask an outspoken liberal Senator or House member, or another reporter, or anyone who's voice is heard by anyone who has access to a TV anywhere in the world......
"Over 3000 American men and women have died in Iraq. You say that it's too many, that they need to come home. From the start you've criticized everything you could. Tell me, our enemies have access to TV, they see all the division in America, they see the politicians, they see our news coverage....tell me, how many of the 3000 do you feel died as a direct result of your emboldening of an enemy that may otherwise have had his will broken long ago? And in a war that you supposedly want to end, how long ago do you think it may have ended, had you not kept the moral and hopes of our enemy high, emoldening them, and continueing to do so, to continue to fight knowing that in time it would begin to get to be too much for Americans to take? Can you answer those two questions please?"
Liberalism sucks.
they stink too!
February 11, 2007 - 21:56 ET by oorampNow thats a question I would like them to answer, but instead you will see why they have been successful at the poles by dodging the question, giving a load of double talk, or really lieing like dirty rug on the floor under a sitting dogs rear end!
All journalists and reporters
February 12, 2007 - 13:21 ET by sembyAll journalists and reporters and news crew need to leave Iraq if we want to win this one; NBC typical liberal crap!