CNN's Paula Zahn Connects Immigration Debate to Recruitment Increase in the KKK

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As previously reported on Newsbusters, the mainstream media overlooks fringe groups at anti-war rallies, pro-illegal immigrant rallies, or even extreme anti-American hatred at anti-Bush rallies overseas. However, when it comes to opposition against illegal immigration, the mainstream media tries to connect it to fringe hate groups where ever they can find it.

On Tuesday’s Paula Zahn Now, host Paula Zahn described the "frightening new trend" that the very small Ku Klux Klan has increased recruitment. This increased recruitment is largely, of course, to blame from alleged immigrant baiting from some Republicans. Zahn was giving free, unquestioning publicity to a new report from the Anti-Defamation League. Reporter Deborah Feyerick asserted that the increase in recruitment is "which some believe is the result of the heated debate on immigration, which at times uses hateful language."

In a comical interview with a Klan "imperial wizard" Ray Larsen, Feyerick reported that he ran out of membership applications at a recent rally. "I only took 100 of them to Russellville,"said Larsen who seemed surprise there are more than 100 people with Klan sympathies out of over 300 million Americans. Finally, she asked, "by making illegal immigration your issue, is this to ensure the survival of the KKK?"

The entire transcript is below.

ZAHN: "We are bringing a frightening new trend out in the open tonight. Today the Anti-Defamation League released a brand new report that shows that the Ku Klux Klan is on the rebound and recruiting new members at an alarming rate. So what's their new strategy? Here's Deborah Feyerick."

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "They're going to make y'all number two if you don't get them out of here."

DEBORAH FEYERICK, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): "It's the newest marketing tool for hate groups, illegal immigration, a topic so divisive the KKK has been signing new members, some say, at a rate not seen since the 1960s. Ray Larson is imperial wizard of the Ku Klux Klan in Indiana. Did a light bulb go off in your head that said, this is our new issue?"

RAY LARSEN, IMPERIAL WIZARD, Ku Klux Klan: "Absolutely. Illegal immigrants is bringing us far more members than we did when we were just totally against any ethnic group."

FEYERICK: "Larsen, a retired rail worker, says he joined the Klan in 1960 at the urging of his wife. Forty six years later he's strongly committed to the KKK's future. So illegal immigrants will become a bigger part of the message than, let's say, trying to attract people by hating blacks."

LARSEN: "That's correct."

FEYERICK: "Or by hating gays?"

LARSEN: "Right."

FEYERICK: "Or by hating Jews, for that matter."

LARSEN: "Right."

FEYERICK: "OK. All right, so you found a winning strategy?"

LARSEN: "Yes, ma'am."

FEYERICK: "A strategy that included staging this rally in Russellville, Alabama, just 24 hours after last year's national day without immigrants when racial tension in some communities ran especially high, so high, Larsen says he ran out of membership applications."

LARSEN: "I only took 100 of them to Russellville. I never dreamed that thing was going to be that big."

FEYERICK: "There's no way to verify how many rally attendees actually became Klan members. But the response supports what the Anti-Defamation League called surprising and troubling findings in its new report about the KKK. In it, the ADL warns of a, quote, 'noticeable spike in activity by Klan chapters across the country, many of them exploiting illegal immigration.' As a reformed member of the Aryan Nation, Floyd Cochran knows firsthand what fuels hate groups like the KKK. He tracks them on his website, eyeonhate.com."

FLOYD COCHRAN,WWW.EYEONHATE.COM: "A good percentage of the people who are joining hate groups today are under the age of 25. More often than not, they're young white males, which is a segment of society that more often than not feels like they are left out. Politicians don't come and talk to young white males."

FEYERICK: "The Southern Poverty Law Center which tracks hate crimes found that between 2000 and 2005, Klan chapters grew by 63 percent, a spike which some believe is the result of the heated debate on immigration, which at times uses hateful language."

CESAR PARALES, PUERTO RICAN LEGAL DEF. FUND: "When you start using terms, when you start saying, this is an invasion, these are cockroaches coming into our land, you're using obviously racist language. You're trying to make people hate others and that is your real intent."

FEYERICK: "That's Larsen's plan."

LARSEN: "I'm going to be very emotional right from the get-go, yes."

FEYERICK: "Entice new members who hate illegal immigrants, then brainwash them to hate others like blacks, Jews and gays once they're hooked. By making illegal immigration your issue, is this to ensure the survival of the KKK?"

LARSEN: "To ensure it, no. To assist us, yes."

FEYERICK: "An effective marketing tool that taps into a dangerous mindset. Deborah Feyerick, CNN, South Bend, Indiana."

—Justin McCarthy is a news analyst at Media Research Center.


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The KKK: it's not just for ha

The KKK: it's not just for hating the Black Man anymore...

I wonder if the "Religion of Peace" has had an impact on Klan membership?

A black coach winning the Super Bowl?

Where's Daniel Carver when you need him?

Just wonderin'....

Oh, Daniel's still around,

Oh, Daniel's still around, Roger. In fact, he's been railing about illegal Mexicans even more than he's been railing about blacks (he doesn't call them that, of course) whenever he can for a few years. This is natural, the KKK & Daniel sensed a political vacuum, and they wish to fill it. (Note: "natural" != "good" IMO, I'm just stating a fact.) Howard hasn't had him on in a few weeks, but he'll be back I'm sure...
JMR

Maybe Daniel has been snowed

Maybe Daniel has been snowed in the past week or so. He lives in the mountains of NC, right?

No, it's the middle of nort

No, it's the middle of northern Georgia, but that may still still get you snow these days...Wikipedia has an interesting page that explains the joke of Daniel pretty-well, but to me the interesting dynamic is the ongoing relationship between Daniel -- who must know his IQ is about 85-max -- and Stern's (black, female) sidekick Robin Quivers, who is quite intelligent and has an incredibly-good sense of humor about all of it...
JMR

Every time the left loses a p

Every time the left loses a political argument or polls don't go in their favor they trot out the KKK for a quick and dirty win. All the polls show Americans favor doing something to stop illlegal immigration which is destroying our major cities, tying up the courts, the hospitals, overcrowding schools, and endangering the safety of all law abiding cititzens, all of which the tax-payer takes a major hit. So now the  news media will use the KKK to put the nation on a collective guilt trip. Really, I'm supposed to clam up when it comes to illegal immigration?  I don't get to have a say that the nation's going to hell?  Oh, I see, but if I do have an negative opinion, I'm no different than all those low-life KKK'ers out there right?  This tactic is so old and sophomoric that I don't even flinch anymore when I see it. CNN should yet again, be ashamed of itself. It's just kinda sad to see Paula Zahn behind this obviously biased left-wing opinion piece. I've always believed that  she was one of the rare voices of reason and sanity on the liberal side. Guess I was wrong.

gimme a break, winnie/smitty

You weren't wrong, sometimes a broken clock is right; an Paula is right. Don't let it shock you.

There've been numerous incidents (in San Diego County, at least) of Mexican illegals holed up in some river bottom near the fields where they're employed, being brutally attacked by young white men armed with rebars, pipes, and even pistls. These poor Mexicans had no choice but to curl up in the fetal position and let those punks flail away; all the while yelling racial slurs at them. It was reported over around page B-22, in the San Diego Union Trib; NO BIG DEAL.

I came to Nor Cal from there; and I can say truthfully; the KKK is very active in that part of California. Paula Zhan hasn't even scratched the surface of that shameful activity; right under the noses of our citizens.

Yes, it is hard to believe th

Yes, it is hard to believe that Hillary Clinton, Ted Kennedy, John Whathisname that ran for President and served in Vietnam, and yes even Barrack Osama all stand hand in hand with a Klansman in their ranks - Sen. Robert Byrd. This list of clowns not only give proxy support to the actions you describe but may as well have been holding the rebar, pipe or pistol.

Sound extreme? Well, if the MSM can tie the Klan to the comments of Trent Lott, then what I have stated is categorical fact.

Oh boy here we go again

Oh boy here we go again. Let me get this straight. These hardworking Mexican men who traversed the desert, and work, work, work, real labor because the flabby American won't, and are "holed up" at the "river bottom" , curled up in the fetal position and tookthe beating because that is all they could do.... Well Tumbly, I almost shed a tear for the skinny( you forgot starving- but picking food means they aren't starving,huh ) chicken weasels that dove for the fetal position, even though they live in the wilderness ( or in a hole in the bottom ). Gosh, let me cry now. Now to the REAL STORY. The "river people" live there because they want to save everydollar they can fromtheir seasonal work, and because they can have a weapons stash and drugs stash and who knows what other kind of chic stash where that sort of illegal behavior catches the real locals eyes. Next thing you know word is on the streets, and the gang bangers are ready make their mark. The illegal criminals have 500 bucks a week stashed at the "river hole",not to mention the other drug running profits, the illegal arms sales, and the rape of some young local girls on the riverbanks. In comes Tumbly's "white powa!" "racists", and of course makes one good criminal take on another criminal cabal. Yes, there we have the REAL STORY, not the whiney cherry powder coated candyland imaspictoo version. Welcome to reality, Tumbly.

This is what happens when mod

This is what happens when moderate voices are stiffled at every turn by MSM. Folks tend toward extereme thinking and means in order  to get there voices heard...no matter how ridiculous they look.

Oh... and there still wearing those funny hats?, gimme a break lol.

But when it's really warrante

But when it's really warranted, as when Byrd was talking about "white  (you now whats)" in a national TV interview, I don't recall the MSM being particularly interested in reporting about the KKK.

I wonder why?

Byrd used the term white nigg

Byrd used the term white niggers.  The media hoopla over this lasted about 24-48 hours.

Tumbler...Just because some s

Tumbler...

Just because some stupid white guys beat the tar out of some hispanics, does not automatically mean that the stupid white guys are klan members. More than likely they are just stupid white guys that need to have their A** kicked or thrown in jail (or both).

The klan will use any opportunity to spread their hate and grow their ranks, Mexicans are just their latest hate group of choice. An argument could be made that by limiting illegals in our country would also limit some of the klans hatred

know what ya mean, c-t

OK; you're correct up to a point.

I wouldn't want to blame the Klan for every incident of that kind; nevertheless incidents like those are clear racial injustice.

What's more, in parts of that county, there ARE large numbers of Klansmen. I've actually MET some. To me they were friendly enough; I'm not dark-pigmented. Yet, they were openly racist. No bones about it. One Grand Wizard, Tom Metzgar, lives (or did once) in Fallbrook, a suburb of San Diego. There are pockets elsewhere, such as El Cajon, Lakeside, & other places. The Klan is a real, clandestinely active association. It persists in everyday incitement of racial injustice. (Don't ask me-- ask Senator "Sheets" Byrd, he'll tell you.) Why should we blame Paula Zhan? She isn't making it up.

The KKK, LaRaza, Hamas and a

The KKK, LaRaza, Hamas and all hate groups are to be ignored. Rascism will never go away. It will always be there for the weak minded.

There are Black and Mexican g

There are Black and Mexican gangs carrying AK47's in every big city in America ... I guess Paula Zahn doesn't have a problem with them.

you're right, but how do you know

OK, and YOU know positively Paula hasn't bothered to report them? Maybe; I would say she has, sometime or other --

I detest the Cholo element in hispanic communities. I also can't stand hip-hop or any kind of overt emphasis on racial pride. I'm an American. I have a couple of relatives who were gunned down by these fiends. That doesn't prove illegal Mexicans have brought our country to this pass. To say that is an injustice; a racial injustice, IMHO.

tumbler...So gangs like MS 13

tumbler...

So gangs like MS 13 readily take irish and swedes into their ranks?

I think the ... Clear thinker

Clear, I think the "I've had several relatives gunned down by the same" settled the issue, huh. So not only is there the childhood racism witnessed incident, we have the illegal race gangers who shot in cold blood Tumbly's relatives, same race, several of them... Just get out the crying towels, and make sure they are red white and green, or whatever color the million criminals waved before the PR queens told them this isn't Mexico ( anymore ). Added that last word for Tumbly. BTW- We should call Hussein O. a discriminated against white man. Yes, Barak Obama, a white man who has been labelled black by the MSM,now bears the discrimination and opression from people on the left, who have decided he is black, like Chris Matthews and the demcorats. I'm sure Tumbly will let me know he already said he was a white hispanic, not a non-white hispanic,and that he's an American and has no relatives in Mexico. It's just that when the attitude is what it is, the race is all the same to me. River people livin' down in the hole curl up in the fetal position when the overlord comes to beat them. LOL

when sport polluter argues

That's what's unpleasant about debates with this cretin. He never tells it right; and everything he concludes is ass-backward and bigoted. In short, he's the epitome of our home-grown American racist. Why bother to reply when at the other end is this mutant Polish sausage? I'm an excellent meat-grinder but I dislike tainted meat. It smells awful.

Whereas; if I ever noted a smidgen of respect and some common sense in his repertory, I'd devote a minute to snuffing out his loco weed. It isn't hard to do; he's what is called a FAT PITCH at the baseball park. No competition.

We are talking hate groups -

We are talking hate groups - not illegal aliens, but if you want to merge the two: http://www.altereddimensions.net/crime/MS13Gang.htm

and me and Paula, well let's just say I wouldn't drive 900 miles in a diaper for her.

We are talking hate groups -

We are talking hate groups - not illegal aliens, but if you want to merge the two: http://www.altereddimensions.net/crime/MS13Gang.htm

and me and Paula, well let's just say I wouldn't drive 900 miles in a diaper for her.

We are talking hate groups -

We are talking hate groups - not illegal aliens, but if you want to merge the two: http://www.altereddimensions.net/crime/MS13Gang.htm

and me and Paula, well let's just say I wouldn't drive 900 miles in a diaper for her.

We are talking hate groups -

We are talking hate groups - not illegal aliens, but if you want to merge the two: http://www.altereddimensions.net/crime/MS13Gang.htm

and me and Paula, well let's just say I wouldn't drive 900 miles in a diaper for her.

stumbler_2007 says: OK; yo

stumbler_2007 says: OK; you're correct up to a point.

I wouldn't want to blame the Klan for every incident of that kind;
nevertheless incidents like those are clear racial injustice.

And whom do you blame when illegals:

Smuggle drugs into America for money.

Smuggle pregnant women into America, for money, to take advantage of our lax laws.

Smuggle criminals into America, for money, who rob, rape, and murder law abiding Americans with no remorse or repercussion.

Smuggle men and women in, for money, who plan only to work illegally, send their money back to Mexico, steal services from welfare and medical organizations with no plans to pay for said services.

I blame the illegals. And rightly so.

DSG

Want your elected reps to know what you think? Go to http://www.congress.org/congressorg/home/, it's real easy.

Feeding time

Feeding time. That's the evil white man's fault. He used slaves and the stolen ancestral land of Tumbly's to make the evil beast known as the USA. Now whitey owes every border crossing oppressed back what was stolen, and besides why do you hate the hard working poor Mexican ? They have a right to live where they used to, in peace, it's theirs, not ours. Jesus said so, and so did Ellis Island, and Ted Kennedy. If it wasn't for whitey taking, we wouldn't have this problem,and it wouldn't be one if whitey would stop being a supremacist. If only it never happened,California, New Mexico, Texas and Arizona could be seething pits of crime, corruption, and a virtual wasteland. Why don't you understand, it's time they took it back ? The river people and the Federalis could settle this if you evil supremacist haters would get out of the way. Long live La Rasa !!!! Oops,I mean God Bless America, singing out, A hispanic xtian.

Here my waving flag

***** _______________

*****_______________

___________________

stumbler? who dat?

I'm tumbler, troll-bait. (But I thought I was just a troll? You're feeding me, proves I'm not.)

On the record then: those bad folks you're citing as illegals. (Not all are,)

Some drug-runners are Americans. Many pregnant illegals are NOT here to take advantage. You also know there are countless LEGAL citizen criminals running free who rob, rape, and murder law abiding Americans with no remorse or repercussion.--
Whereas the very few illegals who do those things do not fuss about all the American citizens who also do it. I say incarcerate all the lot. Don't discriminate; they're all bad.

And, if an illegal works honestly at whatever he can, and sends some of his money to Mexico, I say that's GREAT. (It's his/her money, Dude.) And your old, beat up canard about stealing services from welfare and medical organizations with no plans to pay --Is at best bullshit. Only a few illegals are ever in this country to steal. And, since you've never proved they are, you ought to shut your face. You're talking trash and it's boring. Go ahead, blame illegals. I could care less.

An illegal having a baby in t

An illegal having a baby in the USA means they are taking advantage of our laws twisting and perverting them whether they mean to or not. 

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark. -- save my gun, shoot a liberal.

dan part man

No it doesn't. Whether they mean to or not. If you dislike that law, don't blame their baby, don't dump on the mother. Just vote for another law. (I'll vote for the existing law. Thus, cancelling your racist vote DTM.) WHY? You're merely a HATER. I see your hatred glowing in the dark after I log off this puter.

I'd vote with Dan to change t

I'd vote with Dan to change the law.

We are the only country on earth that I am aware of with a law like that. It should be changed. So the vote is now 2 to 1.

Of course you will now call me a racist.

chad from boca

I was always under that impression, chad. Go ahead; change the law if you can. Don't just stand there drooling.

The law won't be changed. It

The law won't be changed. It would take too much, two thirds of the states and all that. But I think its funny that you would find the position racist, but that is par for the course with you. Have a great day T :-)

Hey Boca Boy,See you're still

Hey Boca Boy,

See you're still at it.

Off topic...but did you see Urby had the #1 recruiting class?  GO GATORS!

Back on topic....Paula Zahn's little bit of equivalency was disgusting and trite.  Typical leftist tactic.

part of me feels sorry for you

Chad;

All in all you think you see clearly; but you're fooled. Here the subject shifted to this law. A law you hadn't really worried about until our current illegals brou-haha. Now all of a sudden, you're having a cow about it.

Isn't this obviously your knee-jerk reaction to the FEAR over Mexican illegals? Your fear that "Gorsh, Mickey. They'll soon take over our country."

"Oh, well. Goofy. You know that's somewhat an improvement over our own beautiful white women who normally would re-populate this country. Remember, Goofy; all our own babies are slowly going down into the abortion mill. These might be illegals, but at least they haven't all been snuffed in favor of new SUV's; or maybe two weeks in a beachfront hotel on Waikiki. --They were BORN." Mickey was never much for knee-jerk BS.

tunbler - my reaction wasn't

tunbler - my reaction wasn't knee jerk nor was I having a cow about it. all I said was that I would vote for it. nothing else. your over reaction was not uncommon for you. If you turned it down a notch or 2 you would do better.

I don't fear the country being taking over either. I just think that we should have control of our borders. Legal immigration is fine. You are the one with knee jerk responces calling people rasicts all the time.

The law we are discussing is

The law we are discussing is the USA constitution.  The wording of goes something like all babies born in teh USA shall be citizens.  Now in the writing of the Constitution I believe it was assumed that the founders wanted to make sure that any abbies born in teh USA of legal citizens would be legal.  It was easy to become a citizen back then as there were no immigration laws.  Since we have instituted laws concerning the proce3ss for achieving citizenship the wording has been subject to debate.

he SCOTUS could rule the wording meant legal residents here having babies here would mean taht the babies are automatically citizens.  IMO that was the original intent, but like many pieces of wording in the original have been perverted so has this one. 

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark. -- save my gun, shoot a liberal.

Who's blaming Paula? All she

Who's blaming Paula? All she has done is come up with another left leaning angle as to why we should feel sorry for illegals.

The vast majority of Americans are not racist towards Hispanics, however they do have a problem with illegals.

Man, you're worse than those

Man, you're worse than those colored folk because you are harder to spot, you being light-skinned. We call your type DAYWALKERS around these here parts.

LMAO - thanks

LMAO - thanks

thank ya mighty, thank ya

I appreciate that, little guys. A real badge of honor coming from the snarling white supremes.

Daywalker!

Daywalker!

rog, old boy:

Thenk yuh vury much; then kyuh vury much, thenk ya thenk ya . . .

If they are so "clande

If they are so "clandestine" why are they bragging about increased recruitment to a major news outlet? Why would their leaders (Grand Wizards, and what not) allow their names to be known?

<insert something clever>

KKK & Paula Zahn

I'm OK with calling the KKK racist; however I want equal time.

Black panthers, Congressional black caucus, Black Entertainment Network, NAACP, Black Chamber of Commerce, Black Miss America, Black Muslims, Religion of Peace, CAIR, etc.etc.etc. 

Why don't we do away with race preferences?  If equality is the goal, then race preferences have no place.  If equality is not the goal, then say so and be honest about it.

Stuart...I never did understa

Stuart...

I never did understand the need for a congressional black caucus. If congress is to do the people's work why do they use catagories?

Equality stopped being the go

Equality stopped being the goal once they got it (in 1965).  Since then they want special preferences, immunities and treatment.  By "they" I mean the Racism Profiteers like Jesse Jackson and other demagogues like him.

Racial Ethnic groups

There is, IMHO, no need for special groups, other than for social reasons. Particularly in the halls of government. Perhaps, I am naive, but the need for these groups no longer exists. They, in turn are the biased groups of this time in America's history. Contrary to what a certain person may think on this blog, I am not, nor ever have been a white supremacist. America has come a long way from when a friend and I were separated on a ferry boat because of our different race. (1951) The same energy should be expended to either open all groups to all people of all races and ethnicity, or the groups should be deemed to be bigoted. Again,I separate social groups, but even they should be open to public enrollment, I just feel that most social groups are formed for common interests not for segregation.

Progressive

The P.C."progressives" have divided this country as never before. Programs like affirmative action and groups like the Congressional Black Caucus or Black Student Unions on college campuses have caused resentment and mistrust. "Diversity" is no longer thought of as variety; it is seen as division. Sad.

NEVER,NEVER trust a liberal 

The KKK---are those guys still around?

The KKK---are those guys still around?

Well, its nice the Liberals have a tool to bash middle-America with over race.

I'm sure glad I'm not a Liberal.  I'd hate to have to wallow along with these KKKers to make any kind of point.

Maybe she'll check out the Bloods and the Crips next?  Do ya think?

naw

That might make the Black community look like it endoresed that behavior.

ACA

...

Hillary Clinton says:  "I want to take those profits."

Admission

I have an admission I would like to make: I was once a liberal. Yes, it is true. I went to U.C. Berkeley and then to U.C. Davis for grad school. I am fully aware of how the liberal mindset works. Lucky for me, after college, I received my first real job and realized how the REAL racists and bigots in America are the left-wing liberals. Liberals actually PREFER to incite hatred toward white-people. The mainstream media will always talk about skin-heads, the Minutemen Project, the KKK, and white-power fanatics. However, they will fail to mention Islamic and Muslim hate groups, Black-Power hate groups, La Raza, Mexica Movement seditionists, Voz de Aztlan, etc.

No surprise. The lib-turds th

No surprise. The lib-turds think everyone who is against illegal immigration, or think that people should abide by our laws, are racists.

Exactly! I am just as much a

Exactly! I am just as much against illegal immigration of Swedes, English, Germans, French, Canadians, Australians, and Russians. Has nothing to do with race or ethnicity. It has EVERYTHING to do with overpopulation, destruction of resources, destroying American traditions, abusing public benefits and MORE THAN ANYTHING BREAKING THE LAW.

Laws are written for a reason. As an attorney I am full aware of that concept. If people break the law then they should suffer the punishment. Otherwise, you get OTHER people breaking the same laws with no fear of consequences. This is exactly what is happening with immigration!! Mexicans et. al. will CONTINUE to break the law until the U.S. enforces the penalties.

your knee-jerk BS

Look at that knee JERK!

No; nobody's a racist because he supports the law. I support the same law.

You are racists when you express hatred for violaters of the law; racists because you hate the other man, who comes from a different country or racial type. It's hate speech and virulent hatred that distinguish the evil ones. I choose not to hate.

Yawn

You are actually more boring than J.Frank! It's a miracle!

I also choose not to hate. 

I also choose not to hate.  I choose to despise all those who come to this country without benefit of legal backing.  True that the majority of these currently are Mexican.  This in and of itself does not make me a racist.

Racism is a red herring in this argument.  I do not want my tax dollars to go to someone who should not be here in the first place.  I also do not want my tax dollars to go to an American citizen who refuses to work.

"People everywhere confuse what they read in newspapers with news."  - A.J. Liebling

Oh? I love the idea

Yeah-- I'm so glad your punk tax dollar goes where it does good for me. I'm not bothered by the possibility an illegal may take away a fraction of your measly tax dollar. Since I also pay taxes. My taxes are better than your taxes, so there ! ! !

You are used to sending these red herrings; making it seem your PUNK dollar means something overwhelming in the whole scheme of things. Keep it ! Stick it far up in your punkish cavity where the sun never shines.

For someone who &quot;chooses

For someone who "chooses not to hate," that was a pretty hateful response.

You know Tumbler, I have never directly responded to you, and always thought you got a bad rap from some of the other posters here.  With that harsh response to my concern about where my tax dollars go (and I pay quite a bit), I am beginning to see why they refuse to debate you.

"People everywhere confuse what they read in newspapers with news."  - A.J. Liebling

STL,Kinda like your union dol

STL,

Kinda like your union dollars, yes?

An unfortunate reality.

How are you coming along with the promtotion to management?

Still in the works, should kn

Still in the works, should know by the end of May (thanks for asking).

Didn't know I would light a fuse with my comments.

"People everywhere confuse what they read in newspapers with news."  - A.J. Liebling

in point of fact

saw,

It's a fact; my response to your red herring WAS too intense, it borders on the hateful. I apologize.

To be honest, I've always had problems with purse-proud and tacky money grubbers. Not saying that's you; but I obeyed the urge to vent my irritation at a poster whose first concern is his damn money. You just picked the wrong day to whine about the perceived COSTS of an illegal alien community. I over-reacted.

Nevertheless; my own true feelings are, the costs are unimportant. We're a rich country, Mexicans who sneak over here are typically VERY poor. If it makes you detest them to see a "health or education" advantage being taken by the outsiders, then you're not a generous American. THAT'S what I hoped to express when I blew up at you. I believe in the Golden Rule: Do unto others as YOU would have them do unto you. I feel I shouldn't have to apologize for that.

--Ciao, I hope this will patch things up between us. Truly.

You should have stopped at yo

You should have stopped at your first sentence.  An apology should stand by itself, not need qualifiers.

You then said, "You picked the wrong day to whine about the perceived COSTS of an illegal alien community."  So this was not a good day for you?  So me, sitting at a computer over 1,000 miles away, should have known this?  I think you came to this thread looking to be offended and I was the most convenient target.

Truth be told, I am a very generous American.  My wife and I frequetly give financial assistance to many organizations of our choice.  Just because I want my taxes - money I earned and have little say in how its spent - to go to citizens of this country and to those here legally - does not make me any less generous.

Can we at least agree on immigration laws?  Let's adopt Mexico's.  I will stand beside you in that fight.

"People everywhere confuse what they read in newspapers with news."  - A.J. Liebling

I agree. I will, from now on,

I agree. I will, from now on, hug every child rapist I meet.

They want to stop the debate

They want to stop the debate by calling us "racist". Well guess what NBCCNNABCCNN... I'm Hispanic. Am I racist? I say whoever breaks the law knowing full well the law- needs to be thrown in the slammer and/or deported no matter WHAT they look like.

Frightening New Hypocrisies

Welcome to Frightening New Hypocrisies With Paula Zahn

White robe - out

Urban Sombrero - in

Tortilla - out

Ethanol - in

Military Posts have a great deal of diversity

I'm sure that Unsane as a former Army Brat can attest to, is that one of the great things about growing up on military posts was that all the kid's weren't White Anglo Saxon Protestant. You had kids from all over the states as well as all over the world.  Some kids were from Puerto Rico, Guam, Panama, have mothers who were Korean or Vietnamese, as well as white, black and brown.  You had to learn how to get along with many different types of kids and this has helped me in the workforce as well as my adult life.  Now I'm wondering when Zahn will have one of those cheesy left wing professors who teaches a class on the History of White People and how bad they are.  Now in world history we can find examples of white people committing atrocities, but we can also find black, brown and yellow people committing atrocities as well.  World history is pretty much made up of countries building up big armies and using their military might to conquer other people's land and inflicting their will on those they conquer.  Whites came here to the United States and conquered territory.  The Conquistadors came here and conquered territory in Central and South America.  Prior to that brown Inca, Aztecs, Mayas, etc.  built up armies and conquered other brown people to build up their empires.  In Africa, black Zulus built up a large army and conquered other black people in Africa to build the Zulu Empire.  Brown Genghis Khan built up his army and conquered the most territory in world history.  Yet somehow some left wing college professor wants you to believe that the only people in world history who have ever done anything wrong are white people.  These types of accepted classes and attitutude will be a strong recruitng tool for white racists.  We should not allow some left wing college professor to teach a class like that without a counter argument.

"I've always been crazy, but it's kept me from going insane"  Waylon Jennings

Good unbiased link

Here is a good unbiased link for the worst atrocities of the 20th Century which includes whites, brown, black and yellow people. Those stuck up left wing professors who think only white people have done bad things should teach about all of these.

http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/atrox.htm

"There's blood in the street, it's up to my ankles" 'Peace Frog'

dear carl

These are not very relevant points to make, relating to the article above. In no way are WHITE PEOPLE, or even left wingers the object of our dispute. The dispute is about Ku Klux Klansmen, and why they are coming forth in the newest climate of racial unrest.

The Klan is a sad undercurrent in our American society. We all look upon it as a deplorable association, and now it wants to exploit our fears. It wishes to influence the meanest amongst us, inciting hatred and false pride. Because the truth is, it's always been false pride that KKK inspired in our unscrupulous citizens. Not so much justice, fair play, and Christianity least of all. PRIDE is at the base. The idea you can feel superior over another group or family or individual. By demonizing them. By making others agree-- WE HATE THAT GUY. Because we're white Americans, the Good Ones. That's the hatred that always has driven Klansmen. It stirs up their pride.

Tumbler thank-you for being the hall monitor

Tumbler, thank-you for being the hall monitor and letting me know what the topic is.  Yes, I realize that I went off the subject matter, but CNN probably doesn't have any left wing college professors on who teach about how bad white people are on, and probably wouldn't grill them, so I wanted to mention that I don't believe CNN or Zahn would ever have guests like that on.  I am not a fan of the KKK or the American Nazi party, or Farrakhan or his followers.  Hate is like cancer and it will eat you up and consume your body and it is also contagious.  My point was that if there is a KKK link and they want to think they are superior, I merely tried to point out that all colors of people have done bad things, and also all colors of people have done great things.  And yes, my Christian faith teaches me not to hate.  Now, whether we all admit it or not, we all have prejudices.  At the Simon Wiesenthal museum there are 2 entrances.  One for prejudice people, and another for non-prejudice people.  Most people try to go through the non-prejudice door, but it is locked.

"I've always been crazy, but it's kept me from going insane"  Waylon Jennings

However, the left wing media

However, the left wing media is at issue. The left wing media KNOWS that most rational thinking people have contempt for the KKK. The left wing media is attempting to associate IMMIGRATION with the KKK. Therefore, if you support immigration laws that demand illegals to leave the country, you support the KKK as well.

Unfortunately, the left wing media is smarter than we give them credit.

Mexicans need to fix Mexico.

Mexicans need to fix Mexico.  I see no massive illegal immigration from Canada.  Don't blame the U.S. for Mexico's problems either, they have a very corrupt government down there that needs fixing.  Too much energy wasted on the wrong problems.  Nevermind the corrupt U.S. govt. either, that's OUR problem.

I couldn't agree more! And ab

I couldn't agree more! And absolutely NO MORE ANCHOR BABIES!

anchor babies aren't illegal

It really has nothing to do with your dislikes or even mine. Babies born to illegal entrants in the U.S. are born Americans.

If you don't like that, it's too bad. Find representation and try to ammend that law.

I'll predict just casually: You won't be able. Too many ranchers and farmers and other job sites need that labor element in order to remain profitable. They'll stop any new legislation leading to serious immigration reform. And babies born here aren't part of the problem. They haven't broken any law. (Except in your minds).

No law needed just a SCOTUS r

No law needed just a SCOTUS ruling that the wording meant babies born to legal citizens or those here legally.  If you read the wording it seems to indicate a citizen or at least a legal resident. 

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark. -- save my gun, shoot a liberal.

Nonsense, Diehard

Touching base with Diehard Dan,

I think the necessary legal change would be stalled in the Senate and never come up again. The SCOTUS is never going to worry about an issue that doesn't affect our nation adversely. Nobody can make them act on it.

There's the rub: All our ranters have that famous hard on for Mexicans; it isn't for babies. Why would an AMERICAN baby disturb someone who is able to act impartially in a racial matter? It's not because these are "anchor babies" at all, it's because they're anchor babies of an unwanted minority, Mexicans. Under the law, they aren't Mexican nationals, they're Americans. No matter the legal status of their parents. And they aren't "invading" the U.S.; which is their country of birth.