Zogby Poll: Bad Movies Keep People From Theaters

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Despite some notable blockbusters, it’s been a pretty bad twelve months for movie studios.

To find some answers, Zogby International recently did a poll of viewing habits (h/t Instapundit). Here are some of the more interesting results:

Theaters may offer massive screens and superior surround sound systems to movie-goers, but most would rather stay in their comfy confines home and watch DVDs, the survey showed. The majority (63%) said they would rather have free unlimited DVD rentals with no late fees for a year than a year’s worth of free unlimited movie passes (30%).

You can certainly count me in on that. Why might this be? You’ll never guess:

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High ticket prices (30%) and a dislike for the movie selections (30%) are the top reasons given for falling movie attendance – 13% said they don’t like the crowds in the theater. Those age 18-24 are most likely to complain about costly tickets – nearly half (46%) said high ticket prices have kept them away from the theater. Among older adults, dissatisfaction with the film selections is the main deterrent – 46% of those age 65 or older said this.

Here are some other results that should concern movie studios:

Nearly half (45%) said that, while they still go to the movies, their movie attendance has decreased from five years ago – 27% said it is much less, and 9% said they never go to the movies anymore, a recent Zogby Interactive poll shows.

Finally, with a graying population, this has to worry Hollywood: “[A]nd the oldest respondents (age 70 or older) are most likely to say they no longer go to the movies at all (23%).”

With the baby boomers about to retire, that’s certainly not what any industry wants to hear. The question is whether the elites in Hollywood are going to listen to what the population is clearly saying about their product, or continue to become less and less relevant in a world with more and more entertainment options.

—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters.


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I'll tell you one reason th

I'll tell you one reason that might cause me to watch a movie at home than in the theater: People don't know how to behave in theaters, especially in big cities. From talking, to kids running around, to continually crinkling wrappers, to texting people...I always want to walk up and say "This isn't your living room; go home."

So YOU'RE the guy who got arr

So YOU'RE the guy who got arrested at the theatre during the showing of "Under the Tuscan Sun" that I read about a couple years ago?

:p

That was me. Diane Lane doe

That was me. Diane Lane does it to me every time...(hubba hubba)

You got me there, Bal, my fri

You got me there, Bal, my friend. I cannot argue that!

Bad movies do keep people from theatres

Garbage on the screen equals garbage in the seats.

I'm not sure why a community of people would want to gather together to view the crap, cussing, vile, dark puke Hollywood produces nowadays.

 I understand there's a sort of being in the cool if you said at the time you went and saw Pulp Fiction, and apparently the masses in their hysteria loved low as you can go.

 Why would anyone expect the audience to behave when the screen is so far from behaving that only a jerk or the curious would subject themselves to such a thing in the company of their peers ? 

 Forget it.

The reason Hollywood is losing, is because it's too degrading to go see their crap in public. Public behavior isn't about the lowest of the low almost any other time. When you're sitting in the theatre, as Balboa ( of course he is the first poster in a movie thread, it's his life, duhhh ) pointed out, there is a certain expectation of public behavior, just like there is any place else open to paid public attendance. Then what comes over the screen fails all expectations of public decency and reasonable portrayal of right and wrong and all the rest.

 The result is the shoddy behavior in public. It's a natural result for the filthy crap on the screen.

 I understand why there was an uproar over SBSunday's JJ clothing malfunction. Sports seems to be nearly the only channel one can watch with their parents in the room anymore. The rest of TV is all too entirely vulgar and dirty, as are most of the commercials.

 Maybe it's lost on Hollywooders, whom I'm sure pride themselves on discussing the darkest of veins openly with strangers and subjecting their personal friends and families to the filthiest jokes and perversions their minds can imagine, it's all "art" to  them. Then they laugh and are hip and no longer considered naive, right ?

 Well whatever it is, it's disgusting, and I do admit I find myself at a loss as to how it is there are so many people that seemingly enjoy disgusting and want everyone to sit around and share it, and even after that, somehow expect others to behave.

politico, don't be hasty

I'm not sure why a community of people would want to gather together to view the crap, cussing, vile, dark puke (Caution, sporty; Roger the Shrubber could hear you.)

Hollywood produces nowadays.

Leave "Pulp Fiction&quot

Leave "Pulp Fiction" out of it. Blasphemers!

Pulp Fiction. One of the be

Pulp Fiction. One of the best movies I've ever seen.

Dammit, Bal, I hate it when w

Dammit, Bal, I hate it when we agree.... :p

Rog and Bal - did you guys

Rog and Bal - did you guys see "Go"? Pulp Fiction is the best. Go is like a low budget Pulp Fiction - but it's still really good.

Balboa - I sure hope you didn't complain about the violence in The Passion of the Christ if you like Quentin Tarantino movies

I think "Go" is v

I think "Go" is very underrated. Some great performances, and a fun movie. Jay Mohr and Scott Wolf are very funny.

The violence in Passion of the Christ was not something I found objectionable, but it was harder to watch, as it was tied into "real" suffering, whereas in Pulp Fiction it's much easier to see it as fictional.

great answer balboa - on bo

great answer balboa - on both accounts. Go was great and I only caught it by chance on DVD.

Your comment about Passion is exactly right and it's the same with Apocalypto. Neither of these films were any more violent than tons of movies that liberals have no problems with. Gibson's movies are not the type that glorify it to where kids want to go out and imitate it. I doubt Passion or Apocalypto will be made into video games and if they are they won't be popular.

Are you playing conservative for a day? We all seem to be agreeing with you today.

I'm sure we'll disagree on so

I'm sure we'll disagree on something soon. Have faith!

Please, tell me why, Balboa.

Please, tell me why Pulp fiction was the one of the best movies you've ever seen, Balboa. Nevermind, that's asking too much. Let me just say it encapsulates how democrats wish they could act (as a Balboa for instance) and often do behave (if not a Balboa), or rather misbehave. The criminal wannabe. I guess that fits the profile. For others it may be the athiests dream come true, because noone is that bad a shot at that close a range.

 For the true believers, the bullets missed them both, because of the force of their personalities, their presence, their awe inspiring persona, that would be the Hollywooders and their dribbling fan club.

I think there's a Mickey Mo

I think there's a Mickey Mouse festival you can go see.

I think you have gone to a Mickey Mouse Festival, Balboa.

I think you have gone to a Mickey Mouse Festival, Balboa. I also think you whined and chortled about the little kids misbehaving because they got so excited about Mickey and Minnie. After telling the boys it was ok to be excited about Mickey,and the girls about Minnie, you claimed manhood because you decided to float into Pirates Cove.

 Yes, that's about the size of it bal. So,you can thank me for knowing that you felt not only part of the cool in crowd, but it makes you a man because you slathered up a froth about the stupid vulgar movie.

 I suppose next time some idiot liberal screams at me "GEEET OVER TO IRAQQQ THEN,WHAT ARE YOU STILL DOING HERE !!!" ( always on the internet, never in person of course ) , I'll tell them, I don't have to , I've seen Pulp Fiction.

It would be a national holi

It would be a national holiday if you ever made any kind of sense, if there was any coherence whatsoever in any of your rambling, meandering posts. I can't tell what you were trying to say, what your stay of mind is, what in the world you think you accomplished. It's just a mish-mash of gobbledy-gook.

balboa vs. the cretin

I just told him the same in the Klan thread. He's a senseless ass whole; or at least ass half. Half assed. I mean stupid. Whoever agrees raise ya hand!

Way to go, class! Everybody agrees, Sport Polluter; you suck!

Dear can't understand

Dear can't understand, ever.

The point is you love the rotten film. The other point is the thread says the rotten films are one reason people aren't going to the movies. The third point is MRC, and Mr. Bozell in particular have led a long fight against filth coming out of Hollywood. Now I understand you feel cool and hip saying you loved Pulp Fiction as the best film ever, since it got down and dirty like a war, and made you a man not a mickey mouse. You might also understand that your liberal friends claim going to Iraq makes you a man and not a mouse (or a chickenhawk not). Following yet there oh incomprehensible one ? I doubt it.

 I also understand that when you watch filth, you want everyone to behave as if it is wholesome, when it invokes and invites misbehavior. That's lost on you as well.

 Now, since you don't comprehend any of the above, it is no wonder that PF is all that to you, and I'm very glad you have the idiocy to love a skum film and hate Mickey Mouse, since that makes you feel manly. I also note that you never got out of your seat to tell the rabblerousers to behave in the theatre, perhaps more like Mickey than anyone else here posting.

 As for your buddy Tumbler, when he made a false whine as well in the other thread -strong hard working living in the wilderness male hispanics curlin a fetal position and take a beating because that's all they could do(immigration and white supremacy related - imagine that ), he got called on it. 

 You know maybe next time I should just be as stupid as possible, then we could all agree, or so it would seem.

One of the few things I agree

One of the few things I agree with the PROC about is their solution to such disturbances in public places like that: if your cell phone goes off in a movie theater, you do jail time.  And, from what I understand, their jails aren't as nice as ours are.

It seems that parents do not, and schools may not, teach manners.  People in theatres and libraries should take others into consideration.  Perhaps some Chicom manners laws would help? 

"A communist is someone who reads Marx.  An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx."  Ronald Reagan

None of this is really any su

None of this is really any surprise. There has been an inverse relationship in the trend between the cost and the quality of movies for some time. Judging from the upcoming movies I see advertised lately on tv, it's not going to get better anytime soon. Hollywood is increasingly losing touch with its customer, and that condition never bodes well--just ask the domestic automakers. Personally, my wife and I rarely go to the movies now, where we once went several times a month. For us, it's not the cost so much as the rude audiences, who do not understand the importance of relative silence to the film experience, as well as the political makeup of so many films and actors. I refuse to pay to see any movie with actors or directors who insist on shoving their leftwing politics down our throats. Unfortunately, that does not leave much left.

Smarty,I'll 100% agree with w

Smarty,

I'll 100% agree with what you said and add another thing into the mix - theater employees who don't care when complaints are made.  Around Thanksgiving my wife and I went to see a movie, we got there on time and as the movie was starting there was a pack of teenagers who were yelling and laughing and talking like it was their living room.  I went out to let the management know what was going on and they said they would be right in.  After waiting at least 5 more minutes and having to endure the noise, guess who they sent in?  A teenager from behind the concessions stand who did absolutely nothing to stop the noise.  My wife and I ended up walking out, getting a refund, and complaining to the actual manager of the theater.  He seemed responsive, but as I told him, it was just too little, too late. 

Now with ticket prices north of $10, we now just wait a few months to watch the movies on DVD or in Pay Per View.

Dutch

It's a sad story, dutch.  Pe

It's a sad story, dutch.  Perhaps the management of the theater views the teens as its bread and butter, and does not want to offend them by making them settle down.

It is no surprise that people

It is no surprise that people are no longer going to movie theaters.  First, there is an overall lack of respect for the wants of others to sit in a "quiet" movie theater and enjoy the movie.  We'll chalk that up to bad parenting.  Second, and definitely no the least is the politicizing of movies.  You have more and more movies trying to force Hollywood’s political agenda on the audience.  Garbage like "Fahrenheit 9-11" and "Goodnight and Good Luck" goes into movie theaters behind rave reviews, and nobody cares to watch them.  Hollywood forgot to entertain and instead decided to take sides in politics.  Why would I go to a movie theater and pay $14 to watch this garbage when I can buy a classic I actually like at the local store for the same price. 

-Vote Democrat, it's easier than working

Garbage like "Fahrenhei

Garbage like "Fahrenheit 9-11" and "Goodnight and Good Luck" goes into movie theaters behind rave reviews, and nobody cares to watch them. 

Dingo, to add to your point above, this is also the reason why less and less people watch the Academy Awards.  First, there are the inevitable political speeches.  Secondly, and I would think almost just as importantly, the movies that are nominated are typically ones that the general public has not seen, or has chosen not to see.  If the public isn't invested in the movies and doesn't know about them, why would we care to watch the Hollywood elite pat themselves on the back?

The last time the Oscars had good ratings was in 2003 when Return of the King won for best picture.  Why?  The public overwhelmingly loved that movie and wanted to see if it would win.  Tone down the politics, nominate more publicly known films and maybe I'll watch the awards show. 

Dutch

It was just last year that ev

It was just last year that every A.A. nominee for Best Picture was a liberally-themed film.  And Robert Redford recently had the nerve to insinuate that his Sundance film festival is one of the only avenues for liberal filmmakers to have their films viewed.  Please.

CEA Pay - where are the cri

CEA Pay - where are the cries about the Chief Executive Actor pay that contributes to the high prices?

Oh, I'm sure that's a factor,

Oh, I'm sure that's a factor, and like excellence in CEOing, excellence in CEAing has been scarce overall (with rare exceptions in both cases) despite EXTREMELY plentiful salaries industrywide in both cases which seem divorced from inconvenient performance issues. The solution is free-er markets, and therefore less boardroom deals which seem like organized theft from shareholders in the case of CEOs (this upsets Republicans when I say it). In the case of CEAs, the case is just as strong for a return to rational salaries (this upsets Democrats when I say it). Both reforms would lower prices for ordinary 'little guys.'
JMR

Sarcasmo - the thing that k

Sarcasmo - the thing that kills me the most is that these leftist actors could try out their socialism by spreading their huge salaries among the crew, but they don't and then have the nerve to complain about CEO pay.

BTW - did you see Nightline last night about Barak Obama's smoking habit? It's great - I wonder what all his judgmental liberal friends will think. I guess he has been extremely careful not to be caught on film smoking. And did you ever watch Thank You for Smoking? I'm curious if you thought it was funny. Some people who saw it on DVD are not finding it as funny as those of us who saw it in the theatre.

I agree, Dee. One wonders w

I agree, Dee. One wonders why entertainment "journalists" don't take a momentary ass-kissing break and ask such questions of the far-left in Hollyweird, instead of you having to ask. I'm also obviously concerned about a specific aspect of the growth of CEO-pay these days. That aspect is (lack-of) performance in many cases. Everyone here probably agrees excellence deserves excellent pay, but failure has also been getting excellent pay. That's both fiscally and morally wrong, IMO, and it will draw government regulations surer than dogcrap draws flies unless it's addressed, forcefully, and soon. In fact, it may already be too-late.

Sadly, I have not seen the smoking film yet, and I didn't see Nightline either. I hope Barak at least keeps good cigars, but I've heard he's madly chewing the nico-gum & quitting or at least trying to quit smoking cigarettes. Probably a good campaign-move, but the politically-incorrect part of me wishes he wouldn't.
JMR

Its so dumb that Barak needs

Its so dumb that Barak needs to quit smoking b/c he is running for president. He should quite b/c he wants to for health reasons. But to be politically correct is shallow.

Sarc - I think the reason the HW journalists don't ask the tuff questions is because that would be their last interview.

See why America needs Howar

See why America needs Howard 100 reporters asking famous people inconvenient questions? :)
JMR

Sure do ;)

Sure do ;)

Florida - I think it's so f

Florida - I think it's so funny because the people who are the most judgmental about smoking are the American elitist intellectual liberals. The entertainers and European leftists are more okay with it because so many in their circles smoke.

If Barak Quits - I bet he will end up supporting anit-smoking legislation of some sort.

Oh yeah - there is little wor

Oh yeah - there is little worse than a self rightous reformed smoker. He'll support the non-smoking legislation.

Sarc - I forgot that you li

Sarc - I forgot that you like Obama. Dang! I hope you go easy on me when we argue about this in the future.

Not him, just his smoking h

Not him, just his smoking habit! :) Recall, my take on Obama is the same as my take on George McGovern once he'd tried -- without success -- to run a retirement "bed and breakfast" amongst all sorts of George McGovernite regulations...He suddenly became a LOT less-enamored of control-freak regulations! Same thing is likely to happen if Obama is seasoned a bit in the private sector. Yeah, it would be a cushy as hell law firm job (face it, you get that when you're editor of the Harvard Law Review no-matter what color you are!) but exposure to private sector clients and private citizens' views would be likely to introduce him to new, nongovernmental solutions to problems a younger, less-seasoned Democrat (like he is now, and like McGovern was when he was running!) might not try because he's only been exposed to Harvard professors & government employees for all his life. IMO. Anyway, the only nonrepulsive (barely) candidate for me is the invisible one nobody-else wants in the "debate" -- Dr. Ron Paul.
JMR

Sarcasmo - glad you are no

Sarcasmo - glad you are not taken in by Obama. You are so right - he lives in the theoretical world like most of the intellectual liberals.

Thanks for your kind words,

Thanks for your kind words, Dee. You've always seemed like a fair person here (he butters her up) so I'd like your opinion on something. We both see TV coverage of Dennis Kucinich, to use a Democrat example, a lot. This is in spite of a widely-held opinion that Dennis doesn't have a snowflake's chance in HELL of getting elected. So, clearly, not having a snowflake's chance in hell of getting elected should be no barrier to halfway decent coverage in a -- shall we say -- "Fair and Balanced" world (he lays out the pretext, here comes the trap). Yet I have yet to see ANY coverage whatsoever on the boob tube (I monitor Fox News, MSNBC, CNN, and Comedy Central's fare as best I can) of this top-secret candidate. Why, it's almost as if the news media have an antilibertarian bias problem, just like I've been saying all-along, right? Does Ron Paul deserve wall to wall TV coverage? No, and I've never said that. Does he deserve, say, 1/5 of the coverage I've seen going to fellow Rep. & candidate Kucinich, at least in order to keep people on NB from saying, "sarcasmo's right, antiLibertarian bias in the media is literally palpable these days"?? I reported, you decide...
JMR

sarcasmo - I agree with y

sarcasmo - I agree with you that there is a Libertarian bias also because
the media perceives them to be pretty much like conservatives even though they
aren't. They will give Ralph Nader coverage because he is perceived as a
liberal. Just like with the media bias for conservatives the media bias
with libertarians is not a conspiracy - its ignorance and inability to grasp
different philosophies.

I don't really know Libertarian philosophy because I don't look into it
knowing that a third party can only be a spoiler - they can't win.
If I were a Journalist though - I should not be so lazy. I think as
little as I know about their platform - I probably know and understand it
better than most journalists and that is pretty sad.

I think Ross Perot is as close as it gets for a third party. They
shouldn't run for President until they start getting representation in the
House and Senate first IMO. I would consider voting for a third party for
House or Senate but never for President at this point.

Still - the media should give some coverage to Libertarians as you say and
especially Ron Paul since he has been elected to the House. You have convinced me.

Yeah for the last 20 years or

Yeah for the last 20 years or so movies keep getting worse in their left-wing bias and their loss of Judeo-Christian values. And then you've got an ever increasing amount of Hollywood actors and directors (eg. Sean Penn, Tim Robbins, Rob Reiner, Susan Sarandon, Michael Moore) interjecting their liberal and anti-American blather into the politcal scene when they don't even have the slightest idea what they're talking about. I won't ever watch a movie that scumbags like Alec Baldwin (who said we should all go stone Henry Hyde and his family to death. and of course he's said much more garbage than that) are in. On the other hand, a good movie does come out at times. Ones that represent, rather than mock, our conservative values should be supported so Hollywood gets a message that wholesome quality, rather than trash, sells tickets.

Another problem with Hollywood today is their lack of originality. My goodness, it's ridiculous how the vast majority of movies are the same ol' thing recycled over and over again. It's gotten so silly that we now have tons of movies being remade that are only from the 70's and 80's. Not only that, but we have remakes of movies that spawned sequels. And then sequels to the remakes of them! So few new ideas and creativity anymore. And everything is rush rush rush. Same with television programs these days. We'll never see the quality writing of The Honeymooners, Andy Griffith, All in the Family (yeah I know it had liberal bias but no question it was brilliant writing) etc. again.

One nice thing now in our time is the internet makes it easy to thoroughly see if a movie is worth going to. There are some good sites that have reviewers who share our persepctives. Plus you can pretty much see the reviews of any newspaper's critic across the country for a ton of opinions and details about the movie. In the 'ol days I only had Siskel and Ebert and my local paper to go by. Consequently, I was led to go see quite a few lemons that I wasted my hard earned $ on. But this decade, it's about 80-90% of the time I feel I made the right choice when I go to see a film (the last winner being the wonderful "The Nativity Story" released last December).

I will disagree that you wo

I will disagree that you won't see the kind of writing you saw on Andy Griffith and the Honeymooners again. You will. You have, IMO.

Hollywood does need better ideas. They are rehashing a lot of garbage. But it means studios taking more chances once in a while. Right now Hollywood is mining comic books for new ideas. Book series are being looked at to bring the success of Harry Potter.

As for The Nativity Story, it only made $37 million. That's not exactly inspiration for studios to continue making religion-based movies.

I would argue that using &quo

I would argue that using "The Nativity Story" is a bad example, it being a seasonal movie that was only in theatres for seven weeks, including the first two weeks of January, where it was only shown in 438 and 108 theatres. It has made money, and we're not even talking DVD sales yet, and I am sure it will re-appear in  theatres next Xmas.

Interestingly, a leftie favorite, "Jesus Camp", has never appeared in more than 52 theatres, only grossed $800,000, yet is ranted and raved about by the media.

If the people kept showing

If the people kept showing up for "Nativity," it would have stayed longer.

Jesus Camp is a pretty niche movie. I really don't find it interesting. Documentaries rarely become blockbusters.

Don't get me started on Jes

Don't get me started on Jesus Camp - that movie was so biased and it's scary because it was really well done and the directors thought they were being nuetral. The whole thing was framed with the nomination of Supreme Court Judges and mixing religion and politics - but they tried to act like one Pentacostal church was represtative of the whole Christian right . Their so called balance was to have a D.J. from Air America criticizing the church but they didn't have any of the politics that go on in left leaning churches or the Nation of Islam.

"Nativity" is a hol

"Nativity" is a holiday movie. "Santa Clause III" was pretty much out of theatres by the middle of January. Not that I would have seen it , haha.

I never saw "The Nativity". I not into religious movies. I can only speculate that the movie might have done better with better promotion, opening before Dec 1, and not having it's star get knocked up before the premiere. Or, maybe it was just a crap movie.

BTW, do you think there'd b

BTW, do you think there'd be a different reaction from posters here if I said I wasn't into religious movies?

Balboa bashes religion

Another typical liberal responce from the liberal hollywierd defender Balboa!

Like that one B?  :)

YES!

YES!

balboa - I got a legit ques

balboa - I got a legit question for you below by the Pulp Fiction comment

I can relate, balboa

I relate and I'm in sync with you, Bal.

Why? Nowadays they almost all suck, that's why. If a movie worth our Christian faith can't tell the whole truth, it becomes bowdlerized and slanted against Catholic theology film. Mel Gibson came close, but his flick was just a fast portion of the Gospel narrative, not enough to merit five stars, IMHO.

Nah. I would hope that most N

Nah. I would hope that most NBers are not single-issue people (I realize some come here who are). You and I agree on alot of stuff pertaining to TV and movies and other topics, and we are not on the same side of the aisle. Not all Conservatives are Bible-thumpers, just like not all Liberals are tie-dye-wearing, Ben-and-Jerry lookalike tree-huggers, right? We all have some common ground. Somewhere. Except for Randy Hayes, of course. He's just whacked.

Mmmmm, Ben and Jerry's....

If the people kept showing

If the people kept showing up for "Nativity," it would have stayed longer.

Three Wise Men, Mary, Joseph and the baby Jesus, plus assorted goats, sheep and other animals

Sheesh -- how many more d'ya wanna turn up?

"Our readers don't give a rat's ass about what you think. They want facts."

Elmore Leonard, 'The Hot Kid'.

And The Passion of the Christ

And The Passion of the Christ made over $370 million and was in the top ten money makers of all time.

I know not all Christian and other wholesome movies are box office hits. I was pointing out that for those of us who wish Hollywood had more of these that it's important to support these. ($ always send a message).

I also agree with everyone's further reasons for watching at home on dvd or vhs instead of the theater (quieter, more economical, can pause when you want to, can watch as many times again, no traffic hassles, etc.) But once in a while it's still a nice way to have a little outing. Same idea with sports games. Usually I'd much rather watch at home and avoid the travel, crowds, ticket prices, uncomfortable seats, etc. But once in a great while it's fun to go to the ball field with family or a group from church and enjoy an outing and time with family or fellowship with friends. 

new movies but better ones

Though it matters little to our group here; I've been at work for months on a spec screenplay; after having invested in many books, a Syd Fields screenwriting software kit, and scouring all the available Internet web pages for help. It's not easy to write one, but I'll do it.

My good wife has about given up on me doing anything; and I've explained to her. Added to writer's block I have the deep conviction that only if I can write a powerful work will the damn thing be put on hard copy and sent to an agent.

I agree with the others here; there's no sense in working on another pack of DRECK so the moguls who buy scripts will somehow find it exciting. And therein lies the main question about today's films: Does anybody in movies care how good a script is? Or is it up to Tom Hanks, or Scorsese or Sean Penn to give one the green light? As one excellent screenwriting instructor puts it, Nobody Knows Nothing about what movies are good for, in Hollywood especially, (William Goldman--Adventures in the Screen Trade). --It's only a business, not an art. Once it was serious business and the old mogul spent his money making unforgettable films. Not just spending a king's ransom earning enough to budget another flop.

Interested in a suggested sto

Interested in a suggested storyline? How about an Evil politician demagoguing an issue to get in power only to screw over the very constituents who elected him, you know Al Gore. Start off with a nice feel good issue, then end with a twist.

“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius

Howard McNear was a comic genuis

I will disagree that you won't see the kind of writing you saw on Andy Griffith\

Howard McNear aka Floyd, and John Candy are both dead, and in my opinion those 2 might be the funniest people ever.  I think it will be hard to have good writing in the future, since those 2 comic geniuses aren't around.

Pre-stroke Floyd makes me cry laughing.  I could go on all day about classic "Andy Griffith" episodes with pre-stroke Floyd.  But for those big "Andy Griffith" fans remember the episode where Barney arrests the whole town?  After everyone has been released and Barney is trying to put it behind him he goes into Floyd's barbershop and the cool funny mayor(Mayor Pike) calls Barney "Wyatt Earp"  Floyd then tells him not be so hard on Barn and then says they should make a trade "J. Edgar Hoover for Barney" and as soon as Floyd finishes saying that the busts out in that classic Floyd character and starts laughing hysterically.  Everytime I think about that I start busting out laughing.  And then with the episode with the Beauty Pagent, Floyd makes up a "Hail to Thee Ms. Mayberry" song and sings it.  I cry laughing every time I watch that episode with Floyd singing that, and then he gets mad at Andy because Andy won't give any favoritism to his niece Virginia, and says he has a good mind to take his song back.  Floyd was cool.  He also was in "Blue Hawaii" with Elvis, so you know Howard McNear was cool.

"So take down your fishing pole, and meet me at the fishing hole"

To bring the Howard McNear/Jo

To bring the Howard McNear/John Candy thing full circle, don't forget that Candy's castmate in SCTV, Eugene Levy, did an absolutely brilliant Floyd the Barber in several episodes of that show!

Speaking of "Blue Hawaii", if any of you are planning to visit Hawaii in the near future, be sure to get over to Kauai and take the Hawaii Movie Tour. They have exclusive rights to bring visitors to the old Coco Palms Resort, which was the setting for the later part of that film and was trashed in the 1990s by Hurricane Iniki. It's going to be torn down pretty soon though. The developers are saving some of the elements, like Elvis's hut, however.

I could go all day talking about SCTV

Del, I could talk all day about "SCTV" and "Andy Griffith".  Eugene Levy is great.  He did a post-stroke Floyd impersonation that is very good, however I much prefer the pre-stroke Floyd.  For those who are big "Andy Griffith" fans, Floyd had a stroke, and prior to that he was extremly hyper and super funny and talked real fast.  After the stroke, if you see him in episodes he will always be sitting down, and he talks real slow.  I've seen him standing in a few episodes, but he is always behind someone else as if he is being proped up, or sitting on somethhing behind that person.  For the "SCTV" fans how about the "Godfather" spoof they did, and Eugene Levy as Floyd came in to ask Guy Caballero for a favor in dealing with Opie, or when Rick Moranis played "Merv Griffin" as a spoof on the "Andy Griffith" show.  Classic funny tv!

"It's me it's me, it's Ernest T"

balbo, please tell us then

balbo, please tell us then what has lived up to The Honeymooners and Andy Griffith in writing, in your honest opinion.

 I'll make sure after I check out the IMDB synopsis or whatever you movieheads call it, that I give it a fair shake, unless it's something along the lines of Stanley Kubrik's lsd trip.

If you're just talking sitc

If you're just talking sitcoms:
Cheers

MASH

Seinfeld

The Mary Tyler Moore Show

The Bob Newhart Show

Arrested Development*****&quo

Arrested Development

*****

"Was it a millionaire who said 'Imagine no possessions?'" - Elvis Costello

Absolutely. Arrested Develo

Absolutely. Arrested Development was great. I'm a huge fan of "Scrubs," but I know the silly nature of the show doesn't appeal to everyone. But it makes me laugh every episode. As well as the Office.

Yep. Thursday night on NBC is

Yep. Thursday night on NBC is finally funny again. At least until 9:30.... haha

(shaking fist) Why you!And

(shaking fist)

Why you!

And you don't like the Gilmore Girls?

Judging AmyOK, fine.  Put a

Judging Amy

OK, fine.  Put a skirt on me.  Loved Benneman w/ Dinero in Heat, even as an ancillary character.

Battlestar... the only show I

Battlestar... the only show I watch anymore aside from the news.

Between kids & homework,

Between kids & homework, dinner, baths and bedtime - I couldn't even tell you what is on TV on thursdays.

I think the main things keeping people from going to the movies like in the past are threefold:

1. too many other options - home HD and surround sound, PPV etc

2. poor quality of hollywood movies

3. too much politics from the movies and actors

Balboa - how absolutely special

Couldn't have asked for more. I went to IMDB to see what Arrested Developement is, and was treated to this little preview .

It starts out with, in big letters on the screen flashing one after another and the male made for TV voiceover:

GREED

LUST

PERVERSION

then it says a few things and shows some 1/2 seconds flashes of who knows what without having watched it,and ends with , ready :

 " THAT'S DISGUSTING ! "

( I guess I couldn't have been more correct )

 Asfor the others,MASH, Mary, and Bob are way too old to qualify, Cheers is close as well, and Seinfeld is done in reruns.

 So has the good writing era ended, or should I include GREED, LUST, and PERVERSION, that is DISGUSTING as the good writing for this "period of enlightenment " ?

"Space: 1999""

"Space: 1999"

"Mr. Belvedere"

and, of course, "Gilmore Girls"

I loved the writing on MASH,

I loved the writing on MASH, although it did get a little too preachy/anti-war at times. When they did an episode that had not much to do with the Korean War (like the entire episode where Radar tries to get Colonel Potter some tomato juice) it was a comedy delight.

I assume you're talking about the "original" Bob Newhart Show, with Bob as the shrink? I would add the "Bob as Vermont innkeeper" second series as also having some brilliant writing, especially the finale.

And believe it or not, one of the shows that had some absolutely brilliant writing (not always, but when it was good it was very good) was "Married...With Children". They came up with some absolutely hilarious stuff on that show-remember when Al Bundy was visited by the moon men who wanted his stinky socks to use for rocket fuel?

 

Hollywood is going to have to

Hollywood is going to have to learn lessons in business economics that the MSM is in process of learning right now.  Cut the crap and provide the public what it wants.  The customer is always right!  The second harsh lesson is solvency is not an entitlement, it must be earned.  Since liberals don't understand those two concepts of Capitalism, they will put themselves out of business.  Hence any company run by a liberal who insists on injecting their PC beliefs into the business model is on the road to bankruptcy, just observe Pinch Sulzberger at the NYT.  Depending on your point of view, the death spiral of the NYT is either an object lesson in business economics or a rant of victimhood.  Those who adapt will survive, those who rant will die.

“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius

My wife and I used to go to t

My wife and I used to go to the movies as our night out, about every other week. Now, we cannot find any movie that we would "PAY" to go see. We check the PPV channels and there is usually nothing. Even stopping by Blockbuster we can't find anything to watch. For us it is content not price that turns us away. We are the same way with tv channels... there is very little worth the time to sit and watch.

The positive side of all this is that we read more books, volunteer more at our church and community. We are more active than we have been.

The last four movies I saw in

The last four movies I saw in a movie theater were: Happy Feet, Cars, Under the Hedge and Curious George. Care to guess why I haven't been going out to see many movies of late?

While there have been some movies that I would've loved to have seen ('Thank You for Smoking" - awesome book! - and "Casino Royale" immediately come to mind) it hasn't felt like there's a whole lot I've been missing.

Plus, when you consider that it can cost $30 to go see a movie, it makes economic sense to wait 6 months and buy the DVD for $15-20 and enjoy it over and over.

But I still run our local Oscar Pool. And love that I've won the last two years without having seen any of the top nominees. (Again, I thank "Crash" for winning.)

*****

"Was it a millionaire who said 'Imagine no possessions?'" - Elvis Costello

Hero - The Last King of Sco

Hero - The Last King of Scotland is excellent and surprising for Hollywood. They actually portray a Muslim leader who was a great friend to the PLO as the monster that he was. There is a great scene where the Scotsman advises him to charm the media rather than ban them to win them over - and it worked. It's exactly like media today in Cuba, Venezuela, Syria and Iran.

Dee - thanks for the review.

Dee - thanks for the review.  I'm dying to see that movie. 

Question - you know of a theater in the area that's one of those full service theaters?  I'd love to see it at one of those.

Chicago - it never made wid

Chicago - it never made wide release and I don't know why - it's really good. Maybe it's because it's from the U.K. and not actually Hollywood. It was only in Chicago for a couple of weeks and now it is only at Cantera 30 in Warrenville that I know of and it might not stay there long either.

There are alot of reasons as

There are alot of reasons as to why my wife and I do not go to as many movies, but what really pisses me off are all of the commercials before you get to the previews.  Who wants to shell out $10-15 to sit there and watch 7-8 minutes of ads?  This is in addition to Hollywood losing touch with reality, ticket prices, bad behavior by patrons etc.