NY Times Iraq Reporter Corrects Russert: 'American Troops Were Greeted as Liberators'

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By Brent Baker | February 5, 2007 - 16:39 ET

Reminded by Tim Russert on Russert's Saturday night CNBC show, about how Vice President Cheney predicted U.S. troops would be welcomed as “liberators” by the Iraqi people, New York Times Iraq reporter John Burns corrected Russert's presumption that Cheney was misguided: “The American troops were greeted as liberators. We saw it. It lasted very briefly, it was exhausted quickly by the looting.” Burns added: “I think that the instincts that led to much that went wrong were good American instincts: the desire not to have too heavy of a footprint, the desire to empower Iraqis.”

As for what led to the inaccurate assumption that Iraqi would “stand up” for democracy, Burns contended that journalists made the same error: “I think that the policy makers in Washington, and to be on honest with you the journalists also, to speak for myself, completely miscalculated the impact of 30 years of violent, brutal repression on the Iraqi people and their willingness, in President Bush's phrase, ' to stand up' for themselves, to take authority, to take risks.” Burns also rejected the notion that different U.S. strategies would have prevented the current chaos: “My guess is that history will say that the forces that we liberated by invading Iraq were so powerful and so uncontrollable that virtually nothing the United States might have done, except to impose its own repressive state with half a million troops, which might have had to last ten years or more, nothing we could have done would have effectively prevented this disintegration that is now occurring.”

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An exchange from about 35 minutes into the February 3 Tim Russert, a pre-taped show which airs at 7pm, 10pm and 1am EST on Saturday nights:

Tim Russert: “John, was it possible for our policy makers to truly understand the way Iraqis would have reacted? The judgments made here were that when we went in we would be greeted as quote, ‘liberators,’ to quote Dick, Vice President’s Cheney's phrase, that they were prepared, in effect, to take governing into their own hands, that they were so upset and had been so downtrodden by Saddam Hussein that they would embrace democracy and rise up, almost immediately.”

John Burns, New York Times: “Well first of all, I think, again, to be fair, the American troops were greeted as liberators. We saw it. It lasted very briefly, it was exhausted quickly by the looting and the astonishment and puzzlement and finally anger of Iraqis that nothing, or very little was done to stop that. I think that to be fair to the United States, when I speak as a citizen of the United Kingdom, I think that the instincts that led to much that went wrong were good American instincts: the desire not to have too heavy of a footprint, the desire to empower Iraqis.

“But, and I think that the policy makers in Washington, and to be on honest with you the journalists also, to speak for myself, completely miscalculated the impact of 30 years of violent, brutal repression on the Iraqi people and their willingness, in President Bush's phrase, ' to stand up' for themselves, to take authority, to take risks. Why did we who, people like Rajiv [fellow guest Rajiv Chandrasekaran of the Washington Post] and myself who were there under Saddam, why did we not fully understand that? I think it's because we were extremely limited by the Saddam's regime as to where we could go and where we could go and speak to and what we wrote about mostly -- certainly I can speak for myself -- was what was most palpable and accessible to us which was the terror, it was real.

“To that extent, I suppose you'd have to say people like myself enabled what happened, the decisions made here to go into Iraq and I'm not going to apologize for that. I've been to, I think many of the world's nastiest places in a 30 year career as a foreign correspondent for the New York Times and Iraq was, by a long way saving only North Korea, the nastiest place I've ever been. It was a truly terrible place and what I think we were transfixed by was the notion that if you could remove this of carapace of terror and you could liberate the Iraqi people, many good things would happen. We just didn't understand, and perhaps didn't work hard enough to understand, what lay beneath this carapace which is a deeply fractured society that had always been held together, since the British constructed it, by drawing geometric lines on the map -- Winston Churchill and Lawrence of Arabia in the 1920s -- a country that had really always been held together by force and varying degrees repression. The King, King Faisal, is remembered, the King who was assassinated in 1958, as a kind of golden era, but even that is really, was not really a parliamentary democracy. It was still basically an autocratic state and I think we needed to understand better the forces that we were going to liberate.

“And my guess is that history will say that the forces that we liberated by invading Iraq were so powerful and so uncontrollable that virtually nothing the United States might have done, except to impose its own repressive state with half a million troops, which might have had to last ten years or more, nothing we could have done would have effectively prevented this disintegration that is now occurring.”

—Brent Baker is Vice President for Research and Publications at the Media Research Center

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Brent

Brent,

Amazing. Is there any evidence of slurring in Burns's speech during this interview? After all, he could have been drunk.               :-)   ns

Burns always a good reporter

Actually, John Burns has always stood out at the NYT for his unbiased reporting. He really doesn't fit in at the NYT and his reporting from Iraq has always been more sober and rational than the rest of the paper, especially the editorial page. Back in 2003, he often surprised CNN's Aaron Brown by rejecting the premises of Brown's loaded questions.

Brent Baker is VP for Research and Publications at the Media Research Center, where he writes the daily CyberAlert e-mail report.

Brent

Brent,

Fascinating. Without seeming silly, why do you think they keep him around if he doesn't toe the Party line? After all, he's a reporter not an opinion writer, correct? As such, he's not like token "conservatives" in the op-ed department like Safire and Brooks who the Times keeps around so that management can claim they're not biased.  ns

Apolitical John Burns

John Burns really caught my eye some months ago while he was reporting from Iraq.  The man speaks in terms of facts not agenda and when he presents an opinion he announces and qualifies it.  In fact I'm not sure I would call them opinions but maybe rather observations.

I look forward to tracking down and reading his foreign correspondent posts from the past.  Don't loose sight of good journalism just because of the disgrace and taint the current owners and management of the NYT have drug the gray lady through.  The NYT may not be suitable for fish wrap but John Burns reporting is first rate.

Lets hope that Mr. Burns decides to write a book on his perspective of Iraq and her neighbors as they are today.

Brent, I agree, I have been

Brent,

 I agree, I have been so surprised by some of Burns reporting during this last year I guess now...that I was flabbergasted, especially when I first laid eyes on him with some report he was doing for someone on the left here in the US, he reporting from Iraq, I thought for sure some leftist same ol' same ol' blather was going to come out....boy was I taken aback, for once!

I had never heard of him, but see him here and there now and then.

He seems to me to be a fair and balanced reporter, the kind the likes of Russert usually don't expect, and for sure they do not like...it doesn't fit their agenda's.

“But, and I think that the

“But, and I think that the policy makers in Washington, and to be on honest with you the journalists also, to speak for myself, completely miscalculated the impact of 30 years of violent, brutal repression on the Iraqi people and their willingness, in President Bush's phrase, ' to stand up' for themselves, to take authority, to take risks. Why did we who, people like Rajiv [fellow guest Rajiv Chandrasekaran of the Washington Post] and myself who were there under Saddam, why did we not fully understand that? I think it's because we were extremely limited by the Saddam's regime as to where we could go and where we could go and speak to and what we wrote about mostly -- certainly I can speak for myself -- was what was most palpable and accessible to us which was the terror, it was real.

This says it all for me...Burn's spoke volumes!

Too bad others in the media and politico's do not listen, learn, pay attention and comprehend what this man is honestly saying.

did i mention that russert's

did i mention that russert's college age son is in a sweetheart deal with with the democrat rajan cajun (sp)?  dosn't that save russert a lot of tuition money?  why would they pick russert's son receive this windfall?  what talent does he have?  could it be his talent is who is father is?

well at least russert doesn't work for free!

What is this deal that they

What is this deal that they have? I know they have a show together on XM Sports Nation (like I am going to listen to the serpenthead talk sports, there's enough liberal dorks in the sports media already).

Wow. I had to do a cartoon-st

Wow. I had to do a cartoon-style double take when I saw that headline and read it again to make sure I wasn't hallucinating! Will wonders never cease?

Wow

Wow again! An honest reporter with a brain on the NYT?

NEVER,NEVER trust a liberal

In a perfect world this Presi

In a perfect world this President of ours wouldn't have had to choose between the future of international law and the posture of the United Nations if Saddam succeeded in getting off the international hook of joining the civilized world and post Saddam's control techniques absence.   That even one of our own commercial jets was easily catagorized a WMD after 9/11 is just possibly too logical a label for MSM to acknowledge. 

If deciding Saddam Hussein had to go was the general agreement towards just maintaining international law foundation then: where have all the Democrats gone?  Where have all the Democrats gone?

All journalists should take

All journalists should take a page out of Burn's playbook--he really is what a journalist should be...fair, fact-based, and sober...not hysterical, conspiracy-laden, and hateful like most of the fools in the White House Press corps.

Burns appears to be the Glenn

Burns appears to be the Glenn Beck of the N.Y Times. Arouind as the token 'fair and balanced' voice so as the Times can point to him when accused of unfair reports. Burns should do himself a favor and leave that lousy 'news' org, and go where he'd be more appreciated and respected.

http://sacredscoop.com

Interestingly, it looks like

Interestingly, it looks like he's going to the London bureau of the Times.  Maybe he can do some good there :)

A comparison: Iraq and Russia

As for what led to the inaccurate assumption that Iraqi would “stand up” for democracy, Burns contended that journalists made the same error: “I think that the policy makers in Washington, and to be on honest with you the journalists also, to speak for myself, completely miscalculated the impact of 30 years of violent, brutal repression on the Iraqi people and their willingness, in President Bush's phrase, ' to stand up' for themselves, to take authority, to take risks.”

Burns' comment here reminds me of the former Soviet Union after the communist regime fell.  One might have thought the Russians would take their chance to be free and run with it.  But even a casual glance at the news out of Russia shows their democratic period has been far from a smashing success.  With Putin in power, they seem to be sliding back to their old ways.  Why should we expect everything in Iraq to snap into place in a year or two?  One of our big problems is that we vastly underestimate how hard the task in Iraq is.  But that's not to say we shouldn't keep at it, or that our military is inadequate.

viking...There were, and stil

viking...

There were, and still are Russians that ran/run with it, unfortunately the corruption drains almost any gains the go-getters acheive. This seems to be just one more problem the Iraqis face. Oil revenues are being syphoned off at an alarming rate in Iraq and this cash cow is the one thing that could keep them from going down the sewer.

Hey Clear, what do you mean Oil Revenues are being siphoned?

Hey Clear, what do you mean Oil Revenues are being siphoned?

I'd like to read that article.

ACA

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Hillary Clinton says:  "I want to take those profits."

I can't site an article becau

I can't site an article because it was a brief comment made by one of our military heads stationed in Iraq. He made this comment in a short peice last week on a Fox report. It was the first I had heard about this, but the guy sounded like he knew exactly what he was talking about. There may be more out there on this subject, I just have not looked. Sorry I could not be more help.

I think oil revenue 'siphoning' might be a difficult topic.

I think oil revenue 'siphoning' might be a difficult topic.  I was able to find this article however.

3. Oil. Failure to grasp the importance of oil production, the vital necessity of securing exports and the inequities of oil income distribution have undercut both reconstruction and security. Iraq's previous finance minister estimated that up to 40-50 percent of Iraqi oil revenue gets siphoned off into the insurgency or militias. Corrupt officials have stymied equipment upgrades and metering equipment necessary to undercut theft at Iraqi terminals. This is not a hard fix, and one that should happen immediately.

He lists seven challenges in facing Iraq.  The article is quite interesting.  I didn't see any anti-war or heavy political bias here.  Well...except he wasn't for the US losing the war.

ACA

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Hillary Clinton says:  "I want to take those profits."

Hey ACA,Can you update your l

Hey ACA,

Can you update your link? or just make it explicit?

Thanks!

bricklayer, here's another try. I didn't notice it wasn't worki

bricklayer, Here's another try.  I didn't notice it wasn't working.

ACA

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Hillary Clinton says:  "I want to take those profits."

Actually, nk, getting into Russian comparison is pretty weak.

Actually, nk, getting into Russian comparison is pretty weak.

Just a thought.

ACA

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Hillary Clinton says:  "I want to take those profits."

This isn't that much of a surprise...

For all of the harping on what 'should' have been done and why didn't the US follow other post-war concepts. the main problem is that Iraq is unlike most post-war regions in its inherent diversity.  That is a primary concern for anyone trying to do analysis for the region and not recognizing the problems that the regimes in power cause by their use of tribalism, religion, and ethnicity to play off parts of society against each other puts a huge blind-spot in front of one's face.  Further, those that look at post-war conditions have tended to limit themselves to 20th century analysis and not do a further view of other post-war situations and try to derive the successes and failures of each.  It is disturbing that this has not been done as the only similar case to Iraq is one of long-term Western failure, although in a smaller region.

The actual strategic outlook of the post-war conditions are driven by the size of the US Armed Forces first, last and always.  Congress, by not fully backing the conflict and scoping out what *it* thought the needs would , did not properly assess what needed to be put forward in the way of manpower or industrial capacity.  Trying to blame the CinC for those shortfalls belies the fact that it is Congress that sets the Nation to War and it must properly understand just what it is committing the Nation to do.  It did not.  Saying that the President 'painted a rosey picture' does not absolve Congress of its duty to insure the Nation has properly put forward its commitment to War as only Congress can do that.  Congress is very much used to giving the President more than is asked for in other areas of the Federal Budget, and it can very well put forth more than is necessary for warfare.  The CinC may not utilize all of those resources, but they are there in case of need.  Congress abdicated its responsibilities in the checks and balances of the system.

That said the forces on the ground *dealt* with the various problems, shortfalls and small force necessities so that a sustainable force for a multi-year commitment could be obtained.  They purposely avoided strategies that sound wonderful, but have proven to be of little long-term utility in other conflicts around the globe throughout history.  They sound good because they are fast, but they can become disasters if a long and thorough commitment is not made to them.  By working in another direction, the forces on the ground have done something no other counter-insurgency force has tried to do:  remove the rural areas as refuges for the insurgency.  By quieting the quietest and remote areas *first* and working hard to break up the supply lines of the insurgency and its lines of communication, the insurgents found themselves more and more limited in movement to a few cities.  Violence became concentrated and telegenic while the Nation of Iraq had breathing space to get its act together.

That is something known as 'strategy'.

It enables new tactical capabilities as Iraqis learn to stand up without the overhead of a despotic regime.  Their society is badly broken and giving them space to learn how to fix it is paramount.  The US can do as it has always done:  lend the hand of a friend who has removed the boot of tyranny from your face so that you can learn to stand and walk on your own.  It may take the Iraqis a bit to figure this stuff out as they have no experience with it.

The US took 7 long years to fight the Revolution to a conclusion and then *failed* for 5 years thereafter and multiple insurgencies nearly brought the entire Confederation down.  It took the US between 5 and 12 years to stand up a decent NCO Corps after going to an all-volunteer force and we were experienced on how to do that because of the war colleges made in 1901-15.

Why we expect *better* from the Iraqis than we do from ourselves is beyond me.