Al Gore Nominated for Nobel Peace Prize for Work on Global Warming

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So which do you think will be a greater source of indigestion at the Clinton dinner table this evening: Barack Obama possibly getting the Democrat nomination for president in 2008, or Al Gore winning the Nobel Peace Prize in 2007?

Regardless of the answer, as amazing as it might seem, the former vice president was actually nominated for such an honor according to the Associated Press (emphasis mine throughout): "Former Vice President Al Gore was nominated for the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize for his wide-reaching efforts to draw the world's attention to the dangers of global warming, a Norwegian lawmaker said Thursday."

Extraordinary. Before you read the rest of this nonsense, please remove combustibles and sharp objects from proximity:

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"Al Gore, like no other, has put climate change on the agenda. Gore uses his position to get politicians to understand, while Sheila works from the ground up," Brende said.

During eight years as Bill Clinton's vice president, Gore pushed for climate measures, including for the Kyoto Treaty. Since leaving office in 2001 he has campaigned worldwide, including with his Oscar-nominated documentary on climate change called "An Inconvenient Truth."

Excuse me, but during the Clinton years: absolutely nothing was done to increase CAFE standards on automobile fleets; federally mandated maximum speed limits were increased across the country, and; Kyoto was defeated 95-0 by an act of the Senate on July 25, 1997.

In sum, the administration that Gore served in for eight years -- as the second-most powerful person in the world -- did absolutely nothing about this issue, and any suggestion to the contrary is an extraordinary act of historical revisionism.

Yet, that’s not really the funny part about this, is it?

After all, let’s imagine Gore actually receiving this honor. Won’t it be hysterical thirty years from now when the media and his Party try to advance legislation to prevent the coming Ice Age?

                       

—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters. Follow him at Facebook and Twitter.


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That picture belongs in 'Ca

That picture belongs in 'Captionfest'!

DSG

Want your elected reps to know what you think? Go to http://www.congress.org/congressorg/home/, it's real easy.

I second that. Its perfect.Pa

I second that. Its perfect.

Pardon my apparent ignorance and all, 'cause I know we'uns way down hea in Hotlanta, Geowjia be jest a little on the ig'nernt side, but what exactly does global warming have to do with whirled peas-I mean, world peace?

BTW Al, it took me nearly twenty minutes to scrape the ice from my car this morning just so I could get into the thing and drive to work.

Global warming? I do not think so.

Noel. You really need a warni

Noel. You really need a warning at the top of the home page.

"Warning! Warning! Do not have liquids in your mouth, or a drink in your hands as you scroll down."

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.”   H.L. Mencken

Slick Wiily

I hope that Bill doesn't hear it first from Chris Wallace!

Those rascally 'Wegi's, they'

Those rascally 'Wegi's, they're a laugh a minute, aren't they. A bigger bunch of cut-ups you can't imagine. "Al Gore"?, what a hoot. (it is just a joke isn't it?..)

peace

A friend of mine once told me there will be politics in Hell. So many things are a joke these days----the Nobel Peace Prize, Time Magazine "Person of the Year", The Academy Awards, Global Warming, and so much more--all infested with politics. It's hard not to be cynical.

NEVER,NEVER trust a liberal

Is it politics in hell? Or is

Is it politics in hell? Or is politics our hell?

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.”   H.L. Mencken

I wouldn't be surprised if th

I wouldn't be surprised if this brainless phony ends up winning the 2007 NPP. Seeing as how the MSM has lost all their marbles over "global warming" lately, the wooden Indian winning would further help them boost and foist this climate nonsense on the world.

Algore is such a fraud that he didn't even write his own "book", "Earth in the Balance".

dang it! i was hoping Global

dang it! i was hoping Global Warming would come because, honestly, I hate snow and ice and slipping. A nice 80 degree January is no problem in my book.

Its rather ironic that Al Gore is getting a peace award yet he is trying to scare the crap out of everyone. Thats a lib for ya. Huge contradiction.

some times, my ear plugs aren't enough to block out liberal manure.

At least it wasn't the cast

At least it wasn't the cast of The View that nominated him. Gore must be like Elvis in Norway

I'd take "The Colonel" over Gore anyday

Gore must be like Elvis in Norway

Balboa, don't forget to throw in your favorite Elvis song, or something funny about Elvis when referencing Elvis.  Now I'd have to say that I would nominate "The Colonel" over Al Gore.  Al Gore never could have been a member of the Memphis Mafia.

"I'm just a hunk a hunk of burnin love"  Elvis


Maybe Gore is to Norway as

Maybe Gore is to Norway as Hasselhoff is to Germany.

I think he was going to do a duet with K.I.T.T.

I think Hasselhoff will be doing a duet with K.I.T.T. in Germany soon.  Should be a number one hit.

Or Charo is to Mexico.

Or Charo is to Mexico.

Laura Ingraham was talking ab

Laura Ingraham was talking about this today on her program. She thinks that this might be Gore's ticket to getting back in the Presidental race. She feels that Gore cannot be dismissed by the Republicans. With a Nobel Peace Prize on his resume, (if he should win) would make him a contender. What do you all think?

I think it's safe to bet the

I think it's safe to bet the farm on Algore never being elected President of the United States. This loser was, in effect, the incumbent in 2000 and couldn't even win Tennessee.

I also think no one will stand in HiLIARy's way for the Democratic nomination in 2008. Just as Nita Lowey was all set to run for the Senate in New York in 2000 until the Dragon Lady announced she was running. Then Nita rolled over and played dead. What Hillary wants Hillary gets!

But even if the Hildabeast wasn't running, I'd still say Algore has a ZERO percent chance of winning the White House.

nice points.....

Good point about gore not carrying TN. clinton didn't carry Arkansas either time.  It would seem that if where you're from won't vote for you, it might be a good disqualifier. President Bush carried TX, it's a good comparison!

Thanks. And Sick Willie did w

Thanks. And Sick Willie did win Arkansas in 1992 and 1996. That's my point about Algore being such a loser that he couldn't even win his Tennessee. (Algore lost Arkansas in 2000 also).

TN

Gore was the first Presidential candidate to not carry his home state in at least a century and a half.  Indeed, had he merely won TN, the FL fiasco would have been an academic exercise - something the Left never focuses on, for some strange reason. 

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

msh, I think that Gore's winn

msh, I think that Gore's winning the Nobel Peace Prize would not make him a contender any more than he already is.  Jimmah Cahtuh's winning of the peace prize did not make him seem any less a failure.  AlGore's winning of the peace prize won't make him seem any less a lying, calculating hypocrite.  I mean, the people were told Big Al invented the internet, that he "discovered" Love Canal, that Love Story was supposedly biographical of him and Tipper.  It didn't cut much ice then, and it won't now.  And, in spite of all his whining and tantrums, he can't escape the fact that if he had won his own state of Tennessee in 2000, he would have been President.  The Democrat spin-meisters couldn't convince the voters of his own home state.  The Nobel committee won't convince those who don't already believe Gore to be the infallible High Priest of the Global Warming Church.

"A communist is someone who reads Marx.  An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx."  Ronald Reagan

Mike B,I was just wonder. I w

Mike B,

I was just wonder. I was a little miffed when I heard Ingraham make those comments. Thanks for those words of wisdom.

MSH Re:Nobel prize

MSH  Re:Nobel prize. It is becoming meaningless. As the liberals of the wolrd gain more power and influence, more and more unworthy people win these awards. I will say two words to strengthen my position--Jimmy Carter.

Algore - Nobel Winner? Just

Algore - Nobel Winner? Just Shoot Me.

My gosh- Gore should be commi

My gosh- Gore should be committed- not nominated- his 'science' was laughed at by climate scientists, his shameless peddling of lies and alarmism speak more of a raving nut-case then they do a prize-winner-

Rimsky- The nobel prize is a complete joke these days- used to mean something- now they just hand them out to whomever comes up with the most assinine theories - especially if it's controversial and has plenty of evidence against the theory. They just love shoving the prize in the faces of those who don't support their agendas

http://sacredscoop.com

Thanks for the Sacredscoop li

Thanks for the Sacredscoop link. I'll be visiting regularly.

I think Al Gore is due for a

I think Al Gore is due for a Nobel Prize.  Not only did he help untangle government regulations that smoothed the way for moving high-speed data transmission from being solely a U.S. military tool to a public commodity, helping to create the Internet, he also wrote a book and made a movie that got George Bu to wake up and realize that global warming is caused by human activity.  I doubt George Bu has read the book (a problem for him, I understand), but perhaps he saw a secret screening of his old nemesis’ movie.  He probably dropped a few chads in his chair by the end, I dare say. 

 Ya’ll like the Internet, I think.  Imagine then “what if” Al Gore was in the oval office when the “Bin Laden Determined to Attack in the U.S.” NSA briefing crossed his desk. (Bu was whacking errant brush on his Texas ranch at the time.)  What a different world it would be!

 To be fair, I think George Bu should be nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize as well, for his stellar performance on his war in Iraq, his monumental and legendary efforts in helping New Orleans recover, his openness in government policies, his… oh, forget it.  His “accomplishments” are too many to mention.

 Regards, Dave High

"I'm the Mangler."  President Bu on NPR explaining why he can't pronounce 'ic'.

This will knock your socks of

This will knock your socks off:) Rush Limbaugh was nominated also. Here is the link

http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/20070201/pl_usnw/landmark_legal_foundation_nominates_rush_limbaugh_for2007_nobel_peace_prize

Sorry I missed the Rush topic :( I should have scanned newsbusters better:)

Thanks Rimsky- I only get one

Thanks Rimsky- I only get one or two articles a day done- but try to make em good ones- something that isn't covered much usually

Hey Davehigh- did you manage a C+ average in one of the toughest colleges in the nation while not trying very hard? No? Your President did and is just a couple points shy of being MENSA eligible- Call him an idiot all you like- but I venture a bet that he has to deal with more in one week than you have to all year long.

http://sacredscoop.com

So it's official. Dave Hi

So it's official.

Dave Hi sucks Al Gore's di


A "progressive" = a liberal = a socialist = a commie in drag =
laughably wrong about life, the universe and everything.

Who's George Bu? Is he relate

Who's George Bu? Is he related to Al Go?

Memo

Bush is NOT President to baby, pamper, coddle, and spoon-feed you, Mr. High, or anyone else for that matter.  Get over it. 

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

What garbage.Gore had preciou

What garbage.

Gore had precious little to do with the Internet, no more than did any other lawmaker who ever voted to fund its inception, and that was just about everybody in Congress back then.   He certainly did not invent it as he has claimed in his debate with Bill Bradley:

"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system. "

Moreover, Gore, in his propaganda film, "An Inconvenient Truth", has greatly exaggerated actual scientific opinions to the point that it may as well be callled lying.  To. wit:  His claim in this movie of his that the Earth's oceans will rise 20 feet by the year 2100.  There is no responsible scientist who claims anything like this.  The latest IPCC report projects sea level will rise 0.1 to 0.9 meters by 2100.  This amounts to something between 4 inches and 3 feet.  [sea levels rose 12 inches in the century past].     The expectation value for 2100 is not suprisingly, 12 inches.  Gore's graphic of flooded  Florida lowlands is no more than a voodoo doll being used to frighten the unwary into suppporting his nonsense.

I doubt seriously Gore would have done any differently with the "Bin Laden Determined ..." report than Clinton did.  Well, there at would have been one difference:  There wouldn't have been an intern under Gore's desk while he was reading it.

Nobel Peace prize?  For what?  Sowing fear and lying to people?  You revile Bush for this very thing, yet Gore does it, and you think he is a hero.  Complete hypocrisy.

NL207:Your screen name sounds

NL207:

Your screen name sounds like a computer glitch, like from the movie “2001: A Space Odyssey.”   “Dave, we have a problem, Dave.”  Nevertheless, I appreciate your commentary. 

 Semantics, for sure, but All Gore never claimed to “invent the Internet” as your own research has proved (emphasis mine);

NL207:  (Bleep) He certainly did not invent it as he has claimed in his debate with Bill Bradley:

Al Gore:  "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system. "

For those of you in Rio Lindo, “initiative” is not the same word as “invent.”  Initiative generally means “pushing forward,” while “invent” generally means “create.”  What Al Gore did was help streamline government regulations for opening up to the public the military-designed, high-speed data access system that was in existence at the time.  In other words, Al Gore pushed for public access to a military-devised system, something now called the Internet.  It revolutionized the world.  You should give him credit for his insight.  Unfortunately, he was “Swift Boated” at the time by the Repugs, and continues to be to this day.

What has George Bu done that comes even close to the Internet?  Iraq?

Regards, Dave High

"Too many OB/GYN's aren't able to practice their love with women all across the country."  ~ George W. Bush ~ MakesYaProudDonIt?

Those who hide behind semanti

Those who hide behind semantics are not to be believed or trusted.  Lawyers do this.  Apparently you do as well.

"What has Bush done that comes even close to the internet?"  This is an irrelevent question, because it presumes that Gore invented, or in your terms, initiated, the internet, which he clearly did not.  Gore did not even vote for the initial funding of the internet [1972], which occurred before he was in office [1977]. 

The rest of your commentary is also irelevent to the basic question of Gore's fitness to receive a Nobel prize.

Dave

Dave,

Fascinating explanation. I commend your efforts. Now, for those of us that are somewhat skeptical, could you please, with links if at all possible, outline the legislation proposed by the Clinton White House, at the recommendation of then Vice President Gore, which helped to "streamline regulations for opening up to the public access to a military-devised system, something now called the Internet?"

I would particulary be interested in the Senate and House versions of said bills, who authored, co-authored, and sponsored said bills, how these were directly tied to Gore, and what the votes were. Furthermore, as all pieces of legislation these days are web accessible, could you please provide links for inspection by those of us who are skeptical?

After all, if it really was Gore's "initiative" that allowed us all to participate in this marvelous invention, and members of the right such as myself who have been disrespectful of the former vice president are indeed wrong on this issue, we would be tremendously grateful if someone such as yourself could actually set us straight on this matter with verifiable facts other than unsubstantiated rhetoric.

In fact, if this really is the case, and can be validated, I myself would be the first to fly over to Sweden to watch the Great Gore receive that which he is clearly entitled to.

As ever, I am breathless with antici.......pation.  :-)    ns

Well under his reinventing go

Well under his reinventing government plan that he opened with a great deal of fanfare; he did free oil leases for sale. Though transfer may be a more appropriate term. As I'm not sure if anyone ever confirmed there was any bidding on it.

The Elk Hill Reserves which had been held by the Navy for a national emergency (major war.) The oil lease did go to Occidental Pet. Which his mother had a great deal of stock in. His office denied that Al held stock in Oxy Pet. himself

Sorry Noel. That's not the internet,

Al Gore. The other oil man.

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.”   H.L. Mencken

Noel:I am sorry to spam you w

Noel:

I am sorry to spam you with the following, but by-gosh, by-golly, you could have looked this up for yourself!  Actually, a man of your knowledge should have known at least part of this.  I breath .. less ... ly await your response to my de ... bunk .. ing of your conservative "facts."  In truth, I will await until the morning as sleeep calls and this may keep you up all night anyway. 

 If you don't care to revisit the entire history of Al Gore's involvement with the early Internet, pay special attention to the link, High Performance Computing Act as it addresses your primary, now laughable question.

As you read through all of the Al Gore history and involvement in developing the Internet, please sing to yourself,

"Oops, there goes another rubber tree,

Oops there goes another rubber tree plant."

Regards, Dave High

Gore bill

Up until the early 1990s, Internet usage was limited. Campbell-Kelly and Aspray note in their 1996 text, Computer: A History of the Information Machine:

During the second half of the 1980s, the joys of 'surfing the net,' began to excite the interest of people beyond the professional computer-using communities [...] However, the existing computer networks were largely in government, higher education and business. They were not a free good and were not open to hobbyists or private firms that did not have access to a host computer. To fill this gap, a number of firms such as CompuServe, Prodigy, GEnie, and America Online sprang up to provide low cost network access [...] While these networks gave access to Internet for e-mail (typically on a pay-per-message basis), they did not give the ordinary citizen access to the full range of the Internet, or to the glories of gopherspace or the World Wide Web. In a country whose Constitution enshrines freedom of information, most of its citizens were effectively locked out of the library of the future. The Internet was no longer a technical issue, but a political one. The problem of giving ordinary Americans network access had exercised Senator Al Gore since the late 1970s. In 1990 he was the author of the High Performance Computing Act, which proposed the creation of a high-speed fiber optic network that would produce enormous leverage for the information economy of the twenty-first century. [50]

Prior to the passage of this bill, Gore was invited to contribute an article to the September 1991 issue of Scientific American entitled Scientific American presents the September 1991 Single Copy Issue: Communications, Computers, and Networks. Gore's essay, Infrastructure for the Global Village, commented upon the lack of network access described above and argues: "Rather than holding back, the U.S. should lead by building the information infrastructure, essential if all Americans are to gain access to this transforming technology" (150) [...] "high speed networks must be built that tie together millions of computers, providing capabilities that we cannot even imagine" (152).

In developing the Gore Bill, Gore was highly influenced by the 1988 report Toward a National Research Network [51] submitted to Congress by a group chaired by UCLA professor of computer science, Leonard Kleinrock, one of the central creators of the ARPANET [52].

After hearing this report, Gore introduced legislation during the late 1980s known informally as the 'Gore Bill'.[53] It was passed, however, as the High Performance Computing and Communication Act of 1991 on Dec. 9, 1991 and led to the NII or National Information Infrastructure [54] which Gore referred to as the Information superhighway.

Leonard Kleinrock lists this bill as an important moment in Internet history:

A second development occurred around this time, namely, then-Senator Al Gore, a strong and knowledgeable proponent of the Internet, promoted legislation that resulted in President George Bush signing the High Performance Computing and Communication Act of 1991. This Act allocated $600 million for high performance computing and for the creation of the National Research and Education Network [13-14]. The NREN brought together industry, academia and government in a joint effort to accelerate the development and deployment of gigabit/sec networking. [55]

President George H. W. Bush predicted that this bill would help "unlock the secrets of DNA," open up foreign markets to free trade, and a promise of cooperation between government, academia, and industry. [56]

Information superhighway

According to Campbell-Kelly and Aspray in Computer: A History of the Information Machine:

In the early 1990s the Internet was big news...In the fall of 1990 there were just 313,000 computers on the Internet; by 1996, there were close to 10 million. The networking idea became politicized during the 1992 Clinton-Gore election campaign, where the rhetoric of the 'information highway' captured the public imagination. On taking office in 1993, the new administration set in place a range of government initiatives for a National Information Infrastructure aimed at ensuring that all American citizens ultimately gain access to the new networks (1996:283).

In February 1993, President Clinton and Vice President Gore submitted a report, Technology for America's Economic Growth [57] which outlined the ways in which their administration planned further development of what Gore referred to as the Information Superhighway by the year 2000. Gore further developed these ideas in speeches that he made at The Superhighway Summit [58], on 1994-01-11 at Royce Hall, UCLA and for the International Telecommunications Union [59] on 1994-03-21. In addition, on 1994-01-13, Gore "became the first U.S. vice president to hold a live interactive news conference on an international computer network". [60] [61]

I love how you reference mate

I love how you reference materials by lifting them out whole from Wiki no less the bastion of a solid source.  Any fool can publish in Wiki and does, ohh I see you have already. 

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark. -- save my gun, shoot a liberal.

Al Gore and the Internet

Al Gore and the Internet.

As you read through all of the Al Gore history and involvement in developing the Internet, please sing to yourself, <Dave High quote just before he cuts and pasts an entire Wikipedia article on the NB Site>

Ah the evolving Internet and who 'created' it.  And that is the word here, not initiative or initiate.  And of course our 'wooden man' Al Gore and his involvement.

Just to sorta set the record straight, Al Gore is a politician.  He is not an engineer, he is not a scientist, he is not a great theorist and he certainly did not 'create' squat when it comes to the history of the Internet, which is by itself a very interesting history indeed.

I'm going to give Al some credit though.  He is responsible for the 'Gore' tax on your telephone bill.

On the other hand, Al Gore did play a role in the government's development of the Teraflop project and was a supporter of networks in his Senate career.  He does deserve credit for being a politician that was supportive of computing technology.  And some would say he actually coined the term, "Information Highway."

But a lot of other politicians were also strong supporters of computing technology.  Gore wasn't any more or less ahead of the pack.

Without Senators and Representatives like Gore who had open minds with respect to technology and the government's role (good and bad) in the evolution of any technology, but particularly network technology, we would probably have seen the technology we use today totally screwed to the wall.

So, sometimes, even a blind sow gets an acorn once in a while.

The real issue with Gore's statement was that he has a long history of 'padding' his resume.  He's the kind of guy that just can't accept a modest claim to have been 'involved'.  No, he had to go that extra mile and say he took the initiative in creating the Internet.  This was not only not true but put him at the center of the Universe (with the restaurant and everything).

It was grossly unfair to a myriad of actors associated with the evolution of the Internet as we know it today and distorts the picture of technology and the government's ability to either 'create' or not 'create' much of anything.

One argument, among many arguments, for the High Speed Computing Act of 1991 (at the time of its debate and justification) was that private enterprise wasn't always interested in some aspects of life in the technology arena and due to its market force driven response would not meet the 'real' needs of the 'children' to create a network that would deliver information for education purposes.

Another argument was that the need for High Speed (Teraflop - 1 trillion floating point operations per second) computing for Defense and Research purposes required special attention by the Congress of the US.  It turns out that when this legislation was being debated the backbone for the modern Internet was already in the process of being built and had been built (limited but there) by several large telecom/tech companies.

But, whether 'Gore created' <Gee that's kinda sacred sounding isn't it?> anything is not open to question.  He did not.

Now, I forgive Al Gore his stupid statement in front of Wolf 'the Beard' Blitzer because I actually think Al Gore is not a stupid man.  I think had he been able to ponder the question for a few days and consult his staff and stuff like that, like any politician he could have probably found a way to describe his activities as a Senator/Representative with respect to Government's activities in technology is a more, shall we say...

modest

manner.

So, no rubber tree plants need cower in fear.

The misrepresentation of complexity is a Democrat/Stalinist sorta rule of thumb, 'cause those of us out here external to the hallowed halls of the beltway are kinda stupid, see?  We can't figure out our own lives, our own history with respect to our professions, our own contributions to the knowledge base, and our own understanding of the technological world we live in, even if we have been involved in it for 35 years.

But, what the hey?

It's all about power.  Taking power so we can control these plebes and their silly little lives.  Protect them from themselves, as it were.  Pass laws based on crap science, like second hand smoke, smoking is the cause of all disease so we don't have to think anymore, just stop smoking, right?  Ask your doctor about nearly any illness he might have to admit they can't deal with rigorously.  Oh, it's because you smoke, or your wife smokes, or your mother smoked, or your dog was close to smoke.  No thinking, right?

I loves consesus.  At that precise point where we reach consensus we can all just stop thinking.

But you just keep right on thinking there Mr. Dave High, that's what you are...

good at.

ACA

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Acaiguana says:  "I love blind Monkeys and any inference that I am making fun of blind Monkeys would be wrong.

I'll put it in a way that's

I'll put it in a way that's guaranteed to annoy both you and Dave at the same time. Al Gore was a particularly high-spending Democrat, and what he did that day was unthinkingly-vote for more domestic spending, which happened to turn out right. It would be about like a Republican who unthinkingly-votes for every military spending item he ever sees taking credit for a specific successful weapons system without taking into account any failed systems he voted-for. In reality it's engineers & execution responsible for both success & failure in the case of both the 'net's governmental-beginning & what it eventually privately became and any weapons system, good or bad.
JMR

sarcasmo, before you 'lump' me into a category with Dave High.

sarcasmo, before you 'lump' me into a category with Dave High...

I'd appreciate much if you'd demonstrate your reading and comprehension skills and re-read my post.

Second, you have no idea what you are talking about.

ACA

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Acaiguana says:  "I love blind Monkeys and any inference that I am making fun of blind Monkeys would be wrong.

I'm not sure what you mean

I'm not sure what you mean by this. I've seen various examples of unthinking spending by members of both major parties. When they later wish to claim credit for spending that worked out ok, I feel the need to point out the failures. And, plenty of the time I think YOU have no idea what YOU'RE talking about.
JMR

First of all, you are totally off topic, as usual.

First of all, you are totally off topic, as usual.

It would be about like a Republican who unthinkingly-votes for every military spending item he ever sees taking credit for a specific successful weapons system without taking into account any failed systems he voted-for.

This statement has no relevance to either Al Gore's history with respect to this topic, nor does it apply.  Is that more clear?

I'm not sure what you mean by this.

I am totally sure that you are not sure what I mean.  But, to break it down into smaller words.  You first lump into some sort of category with Dave High as being annoyed by your opinion about how politicians vote on issues; and quite frankly I don't care about your opinion.

Secondly, you are jumping topic about a serious issue to me at least which has nothing to do with your Libertarian ideas about politicians in general nor the topic in specific.

So, it's cute, but you addressed this comment to me and I particularly am not in the mood for you blathering today or yesterday and probably not tomorrow.

So, take your stuff and put it under some other topic or at least have the common decency to not include me personally in your comment.  I am showing you the same here and I'd appreciate it if you'd show me the same.

Is that clear yet?

And I don't care what you think about what I know or do not know.  And you do not have to shout here to get your points across.  Has it ever occured to you that your so-called 'cloaking device' is just a natural consequence of the drivel that you spew out many times?

ACA

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Acaiguana says:  "I love blind Monkeys and any inference that I am making fun of blind Monkeys would be wrong.

You're not the arbiter of w

You're not the arbiter of what or where I post, as I've repeatedly explained to you. And I think you might fit with the Democrats a bit better than you'd like to imagine, at times, like above, so if that's bothering you, tough.
JMR

We've had this conversation sarcasmo. Once was enough.

We've had this conversation sarcasmo.  Once was enough.

My point to you is that if you address me personally, don't expect me to allow you to 'lump' me into any category that you desire without a response.  Don't expect me to put up with your tactics when you get personal.

Get used to it or deal with on-topic comments.

ACA

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Acaiguana says:  "I love blind Monkeys and any inference that I am making fun of blind Monkeys would be wrong.

Are you two married, because

Are you two married, because you sure act like it.  LMAO

“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius

Many good points. It is about

Many good points. It is about power. And padding ones resume. But also about a love afair with the spot light.

The Gulf War vote was pretty serious business. I can't think of anyone who didn't have a lump in his or her throat as they weighed the situation - 500,000 American troops already deployed; Iraq's Saddam Hussein promising the "mother of all battles"; most "experts" predicting heavy American losses.

The choice was not easy. Senators with combat experience on both sides of the aisle were on both sides of the issue. Some Democrats openly supported the measure; some Republicans openly opposed it. And vice versa.

As Republican whip, I worked with the Republican leader Bob Dole and the Democratic leaders, George Mitchell and Sam Nunn, to schedule the debate.

As Republicans, Sen. Dole and I were responsible for scheduling time to speak for senators who supported the war. As Democrats, Sens. Mitchell and Nunn were responsible for scheduling time to speak for those who opposed the war.

The night before this monumental debate, I sat in the Republican cloakroom with Sen. Dole discussing the debate schedule for the next day. Then a senator walked in and asked to speak to us. It surprised Bob and me because he was a Democrat coming to ask for a favor.

He was Tennessee Sen. Al Gore Jr. Sen. Gore got right to the point: "How much time will you give me if I support the president?" In layman's terms, Gore was asking how much debate time we would be willing to give him to speak on the floor if he voted with us.

"How much time will the Democrats give you?" Sen. Dole asked. "Seven minutes," came the droning response. "I'll give you 15 minutes," Dole said. "And I'll give you five of mine, so you can have 20 minutes," I offered. Gore seemed pleased, but made no final commitment, promising only to think it over.

Gore played hard to get. He had received his time. But now he wanted prime time. And Dole and I knew it.

After Gore left, Dole asked Republican Senate Secretary Howard Greene to call Gore's office and promised that he would try to schedule Gore's 20 minutes during prime time, thus ensuring plenty of coverage in the news cycle. Later that night, Gore called Greene and asked if Dole had him in a primetime speaking slot. When Green said nothing had been finalized yet, Gore erupted: "Damn it, Howard! If I don't get 20 minutes tomorrow, I'm going to vote the other way."

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a39e287820a1d.htm

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.”   H.L. Mencken

Da Hi sucks Al Go's di A

Da Hi sucks Al Go's di


A "progressive" = a liberal = a socialist = a commie in drag =
laughably wrong about life, the universe and everything.

None of your Al Gore sellout links work Dave High

None of your Al Gore sellout links work Dave High

But I did find out what Al Gore was up to. He and Slick Willie then sold the supercomputer to CHINA. Nice command and control, with government acquisition of the private sector, and Al and Bill making 50 million buckaroos as sold off national security to the communist enemy. Now we have ICBM pointing at us from China, and they slay our satellites with laser beams controlled with the slick willie al gore transfers.

[ From the Editor

Who's Driving High Performance Computing?

Gone are the days when the U.S. government alone can determine the direction of supercomputing. The commercial growth of HPC over the last two decades has fundamentally changed that dynamic. Adoption of high performance computing in bio-sciences, the financial sector, geo-sciences, engineering and other areas has changed the supercomputing user base in a relatively short period of time.

For many HPC vendors this is a good thing. IDC reports that revenues for the high performance computing market grew by 24 percent in 2005, reaching $9.2 billion. A majority of this revenue is commercial HPC, although the government still represents a significant share. Classified HPC defense spending alone is over a billion dollars.

But maybe more significantly, the vast majority of really high-end supercomputing and cutting-edge research is done with the support of government money. Most multi-million dollar HPC capability systems reside in government-funded supercomputing centers, federal research labs and various undisclosed locations at national security facilities.]

Yeah, that's great, except Al n Bill did their Jhonny Wong 50 million dollar campaignmoney sellout America to China deal.

Oh,yeah,check the Cox Report,too,the slickster and his idiot sidekick alwhore lost ALL our secret nuclear technology to China as well.

Al Gore,too stupid and greedy to keep the new technology safe,with sloppy people like Sandy Burglar around, is it any wonder Al was drinking tea at the Bhuddist Temple ?

Dave High

Dave,

Honestly, why did you go through all this trouble to produce a piece almost completely with bogus links? Did you assume folks here wouldn't look at them, and would just take your word on the subject?

On the other hand, I sincerely thank you for proving what many of us have known for years: if you ask a liberal to support his/her position with facts, you should expect nothing but apparitions in return.

Thank you for the giggle on a Friday morning. Who do you like on Sunday?  ns

Noel:Apparently the links don

Noel:

Apparently the links don't work on the NB site.  I cut and pasted it from Wikipedia.  You asked for links, you got ‘em.  Google "Al Gore Internet Wikipedia" and all will become clear.  The section is near the bottom of an extended article.  Now, I know you don't have much faith in Wikipedia, but the facts presented there in this case are verifiable.  I am surprised that you thought I made all of that up.  I am not “The Deceiver.”  The deceivers live in the White House, in a undisclosed location and with Mrs. Rove.

The real issue to me is that Al Gore did have a long-term interest in developing the Internet and in fact did a great deal to get it rolling in the early days.  The right misquoted him, saying he claimed to “invent” the Internet, something he never actually said, and built a huge, still alive to this day, smear campaign around it.  The right continues to smear him on the Global Warming issue.  My point is, we just heard again today that Global Warming is real and most definitely manmade.  President Bush has admitted as much in has State of the Union Address.  Yet the radical right continues to run a smear campaign against Al Gore and scientists who attempt to educate us about what they know to be true.  Why does the radical right do this?  Is it too tough to admit you are wrong?

My gut says Da’ Bears on Sunday. 

Regards, Dave High 

Davey

Dave – you are a real piece of work.

“Apparently the links don't work on the NB site.  I cut and pasted it from Wikipedia.  You asked for links, you got ‘em.”

Huh??  The links don’t work, yet “he got ‘em”?

“The deceivers live in the White House…”

What does that mean?  You can’t possibly be bringing up the WMD case again, can you?  If you are, provide proof.

The right continues to smear him [Gore] on the Global Warming issue.  My point is, we just heard again today that Global Warming is real and most definitely manmade.

Where did you “hear” that?  In the MSM?  The same MSM who supports Al Gore?

Jimbo says - "There is a fine line between freedom of speech and treason"

I am sure warming is real,

I am sure warming is real, and I've come to the opinion (not verified) that a percentage of it is caused by humans, but do the scientists and media who made such a fanfare this week have an explanation for the warming that's also happening on Mars? Is is those 2 SUVs we sent?? And why, if the media is unbiased, do I only see discussion of the warming on Mars on conservative websites??? Should I have friends who have to learn this from the likes of me? Isn't that the "unbiased" news media's job I'm doing??

I wish I'd gone with my heart and bet the Bears with the over against the Ain'ts, I saw that crap Chicago weather that morning and knew it'd be a Bears day. This game isn't nearly as certain, but I think I'd take the Bears with the points the Colts are giving, and I'm no longer at all sure about the over/under. The Bears have a number of FL Gators on the team, and they'll be wearing home colors, and the weather will be (for Miami) crappy, but cold and clear I think. The only issue is the Bears' secondary...
JMR

No, Dave, it's not the 'radical right' running a smear against..

No, Dave, it's not the 'radical right' running a smear against Al Gore (poor Al, the victim).  It's Al Gore running a smear campaign against science.  Sad, isn't it?

"My point is, we just heard again today that Global Warming is real and most definitely manmade."

I particularly love it when you actually say something Dave.  It is so cool.

How about, "The dark side of the moon is still green cheese."  - Acaciguana 2/1/2007."

There you go.  You heard it today.

Is it too tough to admit you are wrong?

On the other hand.  Everything above was on 'the one hand'.

The people (which may include 'radical right' people and even maybe some other people...who knows?) who disagree with the politicization of science in order to basically limit human behavior in the use of energy primarily and free capitalistic markets and the innovation behind them are quite justified by nearly every level of thinking to assert their doubt.

I could cite from the top of my head innumerable instances where consensus and politicized science have wrought destruction on entire segments of economies and peoples.  But, that would be wasted on you.

You want to buy into Global Warming, limit the industrial growth potential of the United States; limit the poorer nations from developing; impose great tax costs on the American people; stifle the development of nearly any energy source available or potentially available; limit an individuals ability to move around independently of state run transportation vehicles;

fine.

But don't throw it on the 'radical right'.  That is inane and of course, in keeping with your very large peanut butter spreading knife of smear yourself, not even very convincing.

ACA

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Acaiguana says:  "I love blind Monkeys and any inference that I am making fun of blind Monkeys would be wrong.

I cut and pasted it from Wi

Unintentional humor is always the best

I cut and pasted it from Wikipedia.

And there's reason #2 for not bothering to waste one's time following links posted by you.

#1 being, of course, the very fact it's a link chosen by you.


A "progressive" = a liberal = a socialist = a commie in drag =
laughably wrong about life, the universe and everything.

Dave

Dave,

So now you believe President Bush? This in the same post you refer to him as "The Deceiver?" Surely you must see the delicious hypocrisy in that.

Honestly, it saddens me no end that someone with your obviously high intellectual capacity is buying into this junk science. However, that is your choice.

As for a smear campaign on Gore, it has nothing to do with him. Intelligent people on both sides of the aisle are going after all that are trying to advance this junk science in an effort to impede capitalism, for that's all this is about.

As for Gore and the Internet, he and the American government had precious little to do with its explosion in the '90s. All the companies and computer engineers that reside 30 miles south of me did.

As such, this is just another in an ever-growing litany of examples demonstrating the difference between liberal and conservative ideologies. We like to give credit to people and companies for their innovations. You like to credit government whenever possible so that in the end, we will all be under its control.   ns

Noel:Have you actually looked

Noel:

Have you actually looked into the science aspect of Global Warming?  Are you a scientist, or a climatologist?  I for one am willing to trust the vast majority of global scientists when the speak in unison.  Where do you get your knowledge of science on this matter, or are you shooting from the hip?  Who are your favorite scientists?  Rush?  Sean?  Dennis Prager? 

Ultimately, what will you say if you are wrong?  How 'bout this;

"Oops there goes another rubber tree,

oops there goes another rubber tree,

oops there goes another rubber tree plant."

Not to mention polar bears, the snows of Kilimanjaro (already gone), polar ice caps, the Great Barrier Reef, small Pacific islands, and your parents in law's subtropic getaway.  Damn.  And you thought you would inherit that last one!

Regards, Dave High

I'm pretty much done with your silliness, Dave High. But...

I'm pretty much done with your silliness, Dave High.  But (geez I sound like a Liberal here - always have to say 'but') I simply have to address this canard about the 'vast majority of global scientists' that you throw out here.

"I for one am willing to trust the vast majority of global scientists when the speak in unison."

Had you said more accurately that you were willing to trust 'global scientists' rather than the 'vast majority of global scientists' I could have let your silly comment slide by.  But I cannot.

Dave, 1,500; 2,500; 3,500; 5,000 scientists do not make anywhere close to a 'vast majority' of scientists nor do they as a group represent even all that good a subset of the scientific community elite.

What?  Not the elite?  How could acaiguana say such a thing.  Disparage the 'global science community'?

Well, yeah I am disparaging the 'global science community'.  Get over it.

You see Dave, when the majority of math, science and medical research breakthroughs and technological innovations come from (gasp) the United States, then the majority of 'global scientists' are really drawn from a pool of also-rans.  Get it?  Second rate scientific minds in second rate scientific countries with second rate scientific communities to support intellectual development.  But it is the UN of course, which uses second-rate stuff all the time to further its agendas.  For example, peacekeeping soldiers who think rape and murder of children is 'peace keeping'.

Or for example, a UN that thinks it is cute to circumvent the lofty ideal of 'food for oil' and stuff their own bureaucrat pockets on the backs of the children in Iraq.  But I digress.

I won't bother to go into the rigor of what composes scientific method for you as it would be over your head.  Suffice it to say that step three, testing the hypothesis, was never done; hasn't been done; and probably cannot be done with respect to 'Global Warming'.

Everyone agrees that the 'globe' is warming.  Has been for about 15,000 years.  But one never sees in this debate the 'comfort range' of temperature necessary for the support of life on earth.  For example, in the past the globe was much warmer.  It was also much cooler.   Gee, life still sorta crawls out of its slimey hole, as evidenced by your spewing your brain all over this site, to sorta post drivel here.

Now the question is whether 'Global Warming' is man made.  Really, translations of that by language experts paid for by private enterprise tell me that means;  Is Global Warming my fault?

Nope.  No evidence that would be true.  But what the hey?

It is a catestrophic event; this 'Global Warming' (man-made).  Right?

And every religion in the history of all documented cultures on earth have a 'catestrophic event'.  Armegeddan, End of Times, etc.  So, this is the Environmental Religion's catestrophic event.

Religions also have their 'Garden of Edens'.  For youse guys that would be Merry Old England in the Shire with Hobbits or some such pre-industrial concept.  Not too sure how that fits with Eden actually with lousy medicine and stuff; but the Eden is definately pre-industrial age.

Maybe you'd enjoy the Society for Creative Anacronisms events, Dave.  That might be the sub-tropic getaway for you, huh?

I demolished your 'rubber tree' song in an earlier post, so I won't address that silliness here.

Anyway, Dave, you'd get a lot further with your BS on Global Warming if you realized that your buying into the UN 'thousands' of Global Scientists crap is exactly that.  A number with no parents.

I will tell you one thing, Dave.  If your 'vast majority' (chuckle) of scientists had not capitulated in the writing of the report to a 'vast majority' of bureaucrats finalizing the content, tone and wording of the report itself, I'd have a bit more respect for the idiocy of this report.  But, they did capitulate and in secret and with no 'peer' review of the finalized draft before it is released.

So, in the end, it is a cherry picked report worded by bureaucrats to scare me into converting to your religion.  I thought you guys hated evangelical religious priests.  Oh, that's right, Gore is a 'good' evangelical priest.

Keep on thinking though, Dave, that's what you are good at.

ACA

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Hillary Clinton says:  "I want to take those profits."

I for one am willing to trust

I for one am willing to trust the vast majority of global scientists when they speak in unison.

Sincerely,

Pope Paul V

Noel

Well, you engaged in a dialogue with Dingleberry Dave based on the social contract of trust and honesty and he delivers deception and dishonesty. You know, I know and everyone else knows that there is nothing wrong with LINKS at NB nor navigating to them. But magically Dave's computer, his search engine or some other problem other than the obvious, he is a toll, is the problem.

Surely you know a few libs or super-libs that enjoy debate and discovery and that have enough personal integrity to be above trolling behaivor that you can invite here and help provide a reasonable and honest challenge. Surely all that remains on the left is a waste of time with trolls for debate... ; )

If you claim to be a conservative, don't disgrace yourself and conservatism by thinking and arguing like a liberal. Go Rudy!

Guy, what's so funny about Dave is he is 'above it all'.

Guy, what's so funny about Dave is he is 'above it all'.

You know, that 'regards dave' stuff.  What a really intelligent Liberal would understand before they start talking is that there is zero percentage in them trying to found their ideas on real history or outcomes.

For example, the War on Poverty...

But I just cannot write War and Peace here.  It'd be more than my Iguanas could bear.

ACA

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Acaiguana says:  "I love blind Monkeys and any inference that I am making fun of blind Monkeys would be wrong.

Well I don't have time for Dingleberry Dave

Oh yes indeed, this is the posture of the typical super-lib. Pretend and offend. But the fact is I really don't have time for Dingleberry Dave. People like him claim some form of moderation as a lib but in the end demonstrate they are a super-lib, left-wing extremist who still adheres to the double standards of radical tree huggers, the bigotted policies of NOW and the NAACP, the hatemongering of Rosie O'D...etc...and really is just a troll who isn't even heard among the cacophany of screams and screeches of his left wing cult clan.  So he comes here with the desperate hope that he might stand out, only to quickly demonstrate he is a common troll. Next Please!

If you claim to be a conservative, please don't disgrace yourself and conservatism by thinking and arguing like a liberal. Go Rudy!

GAT: I get as far as &quot;di

GAT: I get as far as "dingleberry" (actually two words spelled dingle berry) and stop reading.  Really, show a little dignity.  A man born with three first names owes the rest of us plebes as much.

Regards,

Dave High  

Sorry Mr. Dingle Berry

Oh well Mr. Dingle Berry sorry about that I will try to remember to spell your name correctly, thanks for help. As for dignity, you are a troll, a disingenous fool who doesn't have enough respect for the contributors of the website such as Noel S. to not ask such condescending questions as has he really studied the matter of global warming or is he a scientist. You aren't one yourself but magically you are qualified to argue yet point to this as a disqualifier for him or anyone else.

Look Dingle Berry Dave (that's correct, right?), you're a troll and you aren't interest in debate and discovery based on intellectual respect and an honest exchange of ideas. The most time you are worth is just the time I am taking now and that is to practice the lesser but still warranted necessity of life and that is letting a fool know he is a fool along then way and watch to see if he is going to be one of the statistical rarities and actually wake up and save himself from his stupidity. I won't be holding my breath or betting any stocks, not even Shoney's.

If you claim to be a conservative, please don't disgrace yourself and conservatism by thinking and arguing like a liberal. Go Rudy!

Good going GAT.&quot;The urge

Good going GAT.

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.”   H.L. Mencken

rofl GAT

Yes, I wholeheartedly agree, but a thought has entered.

The perfect excuse for the libs when their world ending heat extinction nightmare doesn't pan out is:

" It was a statistical anomaly "    hattipgat

 

DARPANET

Perhaps you want to explain DARPANET?

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

Algore contributes more to gl

Algore contributes more to global warming spewing this crap than volcanos, cars, cow farts and industrial plants combined.

Sadly, Bill O'Reilly called i

Sadly, Bill O'Reilly called it right. Knowing Hollywood and they way they use their political machine, this movie will win the Oscar. Bet your house on this one.

&quot;Sadly, Bill O'Reilly ..

"Sadly, Bill O'Reilly ... "

Couldn't have said it better myself.  Bording a plane to Orlando now.  For the rest of you in Rio Lindo, have a good night!

Regards,

Dave High

Hmmmm, so producing a movie a

Hmmmm, so producing a movie about Global Warming now merits a peace prize? 

What does Global Warming have to do with peace?  This stupid movie has done everything but promote peace!  Ever since the likes of Jimmy Carter have been bestowed this honor, I've thought it nothing more than an award for those who bash the United States of America.

Don't worry Sven,There's been

Don't worry Sven,

There's been a correction. Gore's not nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize. Nawww... he just got really excited about finding a Spiderman Tattoo Prize in a box of Crackerjacks.

don't forget Arafat

Arafat, a mass-mudering terrorist was awarded that piece of prize, too. The Nobel Prize is nothing but a way for some elitist scandinavian, liberal, socialist snobs to pat the shoulder of their fellow elitist, liberal, social snobs. Austrian communist nutcase Elfriede Jelinek won the Nobel literature prize, too.

Bush deserves the prize more than anybody else for tackling the 21st century fascists. But communists would rather fight a hypothetical threat called GW than a an acute and real one.

Norway?

Noel,

The most fascinating aspect of all of this is that a NORWEGIAN lawmaker is gushing over Al Gore's hand-wringing over global warming and its alleged dangers.  I wonder if that lawmaker realizes that he is volunteering to slit his own country's throat economically speaking in a way that hasn't been done, perhaps, since Vidkun Quisling?

Extreme comparison?  Perhaps, but consider what economic activity milks the entire Norwegian economy.  Why, OIL, of course.

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

Uns

Uns,

Amazing hypocrisy, isn't it? Much like what that economist Julian Morris was claiming: the key for most of these emerging economies is energy. Without it, they're doomed to endless poverty and starvation. Yet, liberals like Al Gore think the answer is to keep them in the cold and on jackasses.

Why can't these libs see what is happening in China and India -- both countries buying as much oil as they can to feed their burgeoning economies -- and recognize the connection?

These folks claim to be the more compassionate and intelligent. Clearly, they are neither.  ns

Noel, I think these libs know

Noel, I think these libs know full well the connection between energy production and economic growth.  They are craven.  It is their goal , as Kyoto proposed, to emasculate the economies of the West and redistribute this wealth top the "underprivileged" of the developing world.  It is their followers who are decieved about their real intentions.  Do you for one moment think that these big city liberals in NYC and LA are going to go along with any of this for one minute if they thought they were going to have to give up their evening cocktail parties, SUV's, Ski trips and widescreen HDTVs?  I don't. 

NL207- good point.

NL207- good point.             "give up their evening cocktail parties, SUV's, Ski trips and widescreen HDTVs?" They are so complacent in theri wealth and easy living that they simply cannot see the effects of plans such as Kyoto.

Noel you said &quot;liberals

Noel you said "liberals like Al Gore think the answer is to keep them in the cold and on jackasses" and I ask you why would these people want to ride democrats like Gore?  Sorry just a stray though in my warped mind.Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark. -- save my gun, shoot a liberal.

Noel either through guilt or

Noel either through guilt or an inability to deal with the changes in the world. They dream of returning to an earlier age. An eden on earth. The days before the internal combustion engine. An age where the air stunk from all the horse droppings, to an age with a very short life expectancy due to disease, to an age with a high infant mortality rate.

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.”   H.L. Mencken

Danbo, it is like a bunch of short-line railroads.

Danbo, it is like a bunch of short-line railroads.

Short-line railroads of varying guages.  Some run partly parallel to each other, some off in tangents and some perpendicular to the cartoon.

I call a lot of these people neo-Luddites.  The best example in economics was E.F. Schumacher's 'Small is Beautiful'.

In order to forge ahead I believe that people need to make some really serious judgments about their environments.  The primary ones would be that technology, assembly-line thinking, single-to-many point systems, big government, bad education and global markets are here to stay.

So, what is the solution?  Forget about this 'finite' resource stuff; because it isn't true and it only hurts one's head to think that way; embrace technological innovation; nurture an environment where information is free and available; and let capital markets work.  This latter is most important for the individual to have access to development capital.

ACA

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Acaiguana says:  "I love blind Monkeys and any inference that I am making fun of blind Monkeys would be wrong.

ACAOver and over again they h

ACA

Over and over again they have demonstrating an inability to look at and see the forest. They concentrate on one or two trees with a vage acknowledgment of other trees. then draw a image of the forest based on those one or two trees.

But the short lines with their tracks not connected is a good image. I would add. A broken record. With the needle stuck in a groove. Over and over again playing the same short passage rather than the whole symphony.

I would say one judgment the folks have made. They don't trust people's ability to look at what's going on around them and making the right choices. They feel their intellegence is so great they need to intervene and make the poor misguided fools do what they need to do.

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.”   H.L. Mencken

Al Gore's done &quot;work&q

Al Gore's done "work" on global warming? I thought work was defined as overcoming obstacles in an honest manner to achieve some kind of goal. All I've heard from Al Gore is, "Believe that global warming will kill all of you. If you want to be saved, give me your money." Creating an almost-religious stigma to give him more money, popularity, and political power; the scriptures call that priestcraft and define it as a sin.

"I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is to try to please everyone." - Bill Cosby