Most media storylines on the economy are predictable. Tax cuts "cost" the government money. The wealthy don't pay their fair share, and, socialized medicine is the only comprehensive way to address health care problems.
That last one's been in vogue lately as Democrats have raised health care as part of their "100 Hours" agenda. So our very own Julia Seymour took a look at the media's push for Big Brother to play doctor to 300 million Americans.
You can find that here.
But then there's the ones that are just patently laughable. Like where the media pick the interests of say fish, over people. Look to none other than our friends at The Washington Post for that one. You can find our writeup on that here.:
So much for energy independence.
The Washington Post downplayed the potential loss of four Western hydroelectric dams that might be destroyed to make life easier … for salmon.
According to the January 31 article by the Post’s Blaine Harden, the destruction of the dams “has extraordinary potential to rebound as a major salmon resource, according to fish biologists and regional officials.”
It wasn’t until the seventh paragraph that Harden even mentioned the four dams provide power for 70,000 people near the Klamath, “which straddles the Oregon-California border.” There was no clear answer where the substitute power would be obtained.
According to the article, the federal government ruled that the dam owners must spend $300 million to modify them to accommodate the needs of salmon. That is $101 million more than it would cost to tear down the four dams.
Harden explained the real motivation behind the dam destruction – problems that include “angry irrigators, litigious environmentalists and Indian tribes whose diet and culture have been substantially damaged by the disappearance of salmon.”
—Ken Shepherd is Managing Editor of NewsBusters
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What the fish
February 1, 2007 - 10:38 ET by James AnthonyThere's nothing wrong with correcting a situation that is damaging the natural enviorment when it can be done.
Perhaps when those dams where built it wasn't known what impact it would have on a food supply. Or, perhaps no one in charge cared.
If there's a way to do both, it would be the right thing to do, albeit a better approach in the first place.
I don't see a Dem v/s Rep issue there.
It's the environmentalist scr
February 1, 2007 - 11:49 ET by danboIt's the environmentalist screaming to find renewable resorces then standing in the way of getting it. (Tellico dam was another example.)
These were probably the same dams, where farmers were told water couldn't be used for their fields, because of the salmon.
It's about the hypocracy of the environmentalist.
And their lack of concern for people.
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.” H.L. Mencken
lack of concern concerns
February 1, 2007 - 12:35 ET by James AnthonyI didn't see where anyone was objecting to making the dams work for everybody.
I don't have background on Tellico dam so can't comment.
Your comment about lack of concern is incorrect, in fact, it is concern that causes one to say there has to be a way to do this so it doesn't have a negative impact on the enviorment since we are completly at the mercy of the enviorment.
It's having concern, and get this because it's the point, about the people yet to be born. There isn't anything political about that, sorry. It would seem that you have made the assumption that enviormentalists are all liberals, not true by a long shot.
But sometimes man has to give way to nature until we can figure out a way for sustainable survival which is "chess not checkers" (to quote a clean man who happens to be black.)
Tellico was almost stopped fo
February 1, 2007 - 12:57 ET by danboTellico was almost stopped for the snail darter. A fish that was not about to be extinct. Trumpted up by environmentalist like the spotted owl. I believe it was also the last dam TVA tried to build. Probalby because of the snail darter.
I'll take you at your word you are concerned for people. How will you replace the needed energy of those people now? And the needed power and water for them now and for future generations?
Will you replace it before you pull the dams down. And will you do so without putting your hand in my pocket.
It's easy to say I care. It takes a lot more.
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.” H.L. Mencken
darn dam damners
February 1, 2007 - 13:06 ET by James AnthonyI didn't say I had the answer, just that there is a direction to take that is sustainable. I'd also say that the people who benefit from the water and the power must bear the brunt of correcting a situation that shouldn't of occured, but I don't live there. It's always about the pocket book. But that is another issue.
Thank you for the info on the dam, I do remember hearing about it.
I think it's more dangerous to say that enviormental issues are dem v/s rep. We all have to particapte to survive.
Did I hear something squeaking ?
February 1, 2007 - 13:00 ET by SportPoliticsDid I hear something squeaking ? Too many trees to make it out.
I guess your fantasy world is good for you. " We're completely at the mercy of the environment. " NO , that's what the liberal utopia is, where you're all naked and the pristine pine cone jams up your rear end when you sit down on the forest floor. That's "completely at the mercy of ".
Nowadays we've gone far beyond being at the mercy of the environment, you ignorant dreamer.
BTW- We are living in sustainable survival, and HAVE BEEN for a long, long time, moron, and will be for a long time after you are wormfood.
I guess the catchy phrases taught to you by those you worship are something you never allowed yourself to question. I frankly wonder how people like you make it through life.
Just once I'd like to see you dorks enter a vast desert and turn it into a massive population center,with your ideas about "sustainable survival",but that would mean you cuckoos would actually have to do something, or maybe it would mean you couldn't hate the jews.
And since when is the original and CORRECT minded conservative HUNTER and FARMER, and PROVIDER and DEFENDER of natural land NOT a conservative ?
Here's the ANSWER - BONEHEAD : > Ever since lunatic activists started shoving their nose onto other people's property and demanding their great satan take it over with a government law.
Ya wanna try again with something that doesn't piss me off to no end ?
this blows like your view
February 1, 2007 - 13:24 ET by James AnthonyNo, everyone naked but you, it would be too hard to tell which end was which.
Try telling the people wiped out by the storms last year how far we've come beyond natures ability to kick our butt.
Are you talking about how America was taken away from the people who were here first?
I don't have to hate Jews, most of the ones that I know hate themselves. But that doesn't have much to do with the topic at hand, try to stay on task.
You don't own anything, you simpily have possesion of it for a while and it is incumbent upon you not to screw it up for those to come. Or do you think that the world ends when you die?
Just for your information, read your history, conservative is not a republican only deal. There once was a great group of Dixie Democrats who were icons. Get over yourself.
et tu Deritus..You don't
February 1, 2007 - 13:28 ET by Jack Baueret tu Deritus..
You don't own anything...
Oh yes I do. And according to the law of the land, I'm right and you're wrong.
You don't speak for me with your quasi-Marxist gibberish.
"Are you talking about
February 1, 2007 - 13:37 ET by BrownCow"Are you talking about how America was taken away from the people who were here first?"
I'm curious . . . have you ever thought about civilization AT ALL. If modern civilization had to feel guilty or even leave the land that they had at some point fought another occupier for . . . . would anyone be able to live anywhere ? I remember in grade school fighting with my sister about sitting in a specific chair in the living room . . . . she stated "I was there first !". I am so glad I matured and don’t have hear that argument anymore, OH WAIT ! Forgot about the self loathers.
In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem. Government is the problem. -Ronald Reagan
Hey! That's mine!
February 1, 2007 - 13:38 ET by James AnthonyI stand corrected, you do own your thoughts and deeds. Those you will take with you, the rest stays here.
quasi marxist? Couldn't you just call it gibberish?
By the people who were here f
February 1, 2007 - 13:39 ET by bassndudeBy the people who were here first, do you mean my paternal grandmother? So there by talking about my father and me? Yeah, Ill go for that, you greenies get out. My people were here first.
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Ha Ha ! Bass, I love it !
February 1, 2007 - 13:52 ET by BrownCowHa Ha ! Bass, I love it ! Self Loathers always step in it !
In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem. Government is the problem. -Ronald Reagan
LOL - Thank the Nagin bus escape routes!
February 1, 2007 - 14:29 ET by SportPoliticsUhh, excuse me but wouldn't it be you libs sitting on your duffs,with the pine cone up the backside, and also you libs with the Euell Gibbons pine cone snack treat sticking out of your mouths, making it a bit difficult to tell which end is which ? lol
Tumbler will help you along with la rasa to give the Indians back their land. Good luck. You might want to talk to some eskimos to see if they can get it back from the Indians after that. Down thar in Tumbler's spicville, you might want to kick out all the spics, and give it back to the descendants of the Aztecs. Before that, I imagine I'll need a book to tell you whose human sacrifices to the gods have the right to the land.
Europe is far more complicated, just boot everyone off and say it's not indigenously any of theirs. Perhaps if you can prove the out of Africa ethiopia theory, you can make sure all the descendants here, are relocated to their rightful homeland,and get the heck off the Indians property, preferrably with a lot of earth destroying DDT if you don't mind.
Now to N.O> LOL - Thank the Nagin bus escape routes! Yes, those 25,000 body bags makes your case ever so clear ! ROFLMAO At the mercy!
Oh wait a minute ! The evil oil loaded MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX OF MACHINES coupled with the terrible world destroying SUV SAVED NEARLY EVERYONE ! Don't forget that terrible enviro destroying runoff pavement ! Wow, almost no "at the mercy" problems whatsoever.
How about that ? Golly that merciless nature thing almost has us all dead, huh you BRAIN DEAD LIBERAL.
Now,let's compare.. hmm.... oh yeah, James "the mark" Anthony bestes friends, those mud brick home naturists and their earthquake over in muzzieville - 100,000 DEAD, and the USA MILITARY ! to the rescue !!!!! Again !
Now the reason they DIED in such great numbers at the mercy of NATURE, is because they haven't destroyed the entire world with manufactured and pollution emitting STRUCTURES the evil westerners have created that would have saved their LIVES.
That's ok, J Jimmy jam that down your throat. You lost again, as usual. What's next in your loser incorrect "rebuttal" ?
Ahh, jews hate themselves. I guess that speaks for itself, thanks for confirming my wild guess attack.
Ahh, I don't own anything,so the Indians didn't either. They died and the people that came after them now have it. Well so that settles it, you've fully contradicted yourself,and I have the land.
Don't kill yourself, or someone else might get to use the resources you'd have used being alive. For starters get off the damned computer though, that wastes too much electric and making electricity destroys the would have been sustainable coal bed and such, or decimates salmon.
Ahh, now conservation is the dixie democrats who "all turned republican when racism was no longer allowed? "
ROFLMOA !!!
You lost badly every time James. That makes you a liberal, sorry to tell you.
Wow
February 1, 2007 - 15:00 ET by James AnthonyYou know, you are everything that you despise.
But congradulations, you have strung together one of the most incoherent ramblings I have ever read.
The democrats need you.
Well James
February 1, 2007 - 15:53 ET by SportPoliticsWell James, can't blame you for that but you sound like balboa.
I guess assuming you can think while reading, or recall or reread your prior claims that are being responded to, is a bit much ? Don't have any history or a basic set of knowledge n facts under your belt ? Maybe you don't, and if so I can understand you not being able to follow along.
my head hurts
February 1, 2007 - 16:22 ET by James AnthonyIt's your distorting what I said and then running off at the mouth about a whole slew of other things that have nothing to do with what I posted. I know what I know and am the first to admit when I don't. But you haven't come up with anything yet other than a bunch of canned ranting. You're just as bad as the other side that parrots everything, that's the same kind of evil by the way. Try thinking for yourself, just not about yourself.
Good luck
har har! roflmao !
February 1, 2007 - 16:40 ET by tumbler_2007He's so funny! "Tumbler will help you along with la rasa to give the Indians back their land. Good luck. You might want to talk to some eskimos to see if they can get it back from the Indians after that. Down thar in Tumbler's spicville, you might want to kick out all the spics, and give it back to the descendants of the Aztecs, bla blah."
Where's "spic-ville," Klansman? Is that where you & your boys in pointy robes slung the "boy" down inta the well? You're pretty loose in the lip, Huh? I was being threatened by emjemm24 this morning for sexist talk. Is Matt Sheffield allowing racist trash-talk in every one of your slimey posts now? Somebody ought to threaten you with expulsion. It won't be me, though. I can give as good as I get. You lost the last five on points. --Motor-mouth KKK.
I dont see where these dams h
February 1, 2007 - 11:51 ET by bassndudeI dont see where these dams have damaged the natural enviorment. What they have done is ensure electric and water supply year round for alot of people. Maybe the indians changed their diet when the dams were built, but that has been so long ago, that they are not going to stop what they are doing now, (mcdonalds), and go out and catch fish once a year. Dont forget these fish only come around once a year to spawn then die. So I see no place within the confines of this story where the enviorment is damaged. As a matter of fact, I would say just the opposit.
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McSalmon sandwhich with Indian go to hell fries
February 1, 2007 - 12:47 ET by James AnthonyYou don't see where there was damage? It says right there that the salmon population has been decimated. Salmon are part of the food chain, figure it out. There' s this great new concept in reading called comprehension, check into it.
You have to take off the them v/s us glasses first, and then decide if it's an issue. And if it is, by all means go for the throat right off the bat.
What's wrong with putting in a ladder system so that the fish can spawn? You know, working with nature....?
You don't have a clue about what aboriginals diets are or have become in the past 2 centuries, do you?
You don't see James Anthony
February 1, 2007 - 13:15 ET by SportPoliticsYou don't see James Anthony. Obviously you have the reading comprehension problem, since you didn't READ.
300 million bucks for the fishie ladders, 101 million to tear em down, and the eeevil Bush admin. has supported tearing them down.
Furthermore,they have been there 80 years,so the person you attacked even though you ARE WRONG, was correct in declaring the Indians haven't been sucking down salmon for quite some time.
The commercial industry and tourism industry wants them gone so they can suck up the fish and the tourist dollars on the 80% FED owned watershed. It's not about the Indians, get a clue ! Berskshire Hathaway, the owner, has had their fed contract come up for review.
Now you can scream the 29 million dollar/ year power supplier won't spend the 300 million bucks for fishie ladders like they should, and are going to take the easy wayout, in the name of $.
Hey what's wrong with putting in fishie ladders? I guess the thing wrong with it is you didn't mail in your 199 million dollar check,and finance and build your sustainable solar and windmill farm yet !
Yeah, great comprehension ,you're a genius.
You know with all of this mon
February 1, 2007 - 13:32 ET by danboYou know with all of this money. We could buy a lot of DDT. Give it to the 3rd world and go a long way to solving the problem with malaria.
Concern for humanity: Improving the lives of fish? Saving the lives of millions?
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.” H.L. Mencken
Oh danbo,
February 1, 2007 - 13:39 ET by SportPoliticsOh danbo, why be so silly, that's just 300 million sub saharan people's of indigenous nature. Why destroy their sustainable environment when 300 million enjoy contracting malayria every year so much ?
You're really evil, like the rest of the world destroyers, the ones who destroyed the environment spraying that crap in the USA and made it unsustainable, so none of us would die from those terrible diseases. Ask Mark Anthony, he knows all about it.
Nice to meet you
February 1, 2007 - 14:00 ET by James AnthonyWho the heck is Marc Anthony?
James
February 1, 2007 - 14:43 ET by SportPoliticsMarc Antony is the guy who followed Julius Ceasar, watch Cleopatra with Elizabeth Taylor and Richard Burton.
wicked short trees
February 1, 2007 - 13:44 ET by James AnthonyThank you for making my point, I just didn't have it in the terms that you could grasp. Now, go back and read what I said, write the opposite of everything you just stated and there you have it.
James, you evidently are so f
February 1, 2007 - 13:53 ET by bassndudeJames, you evidently are so focused on spawning fish your blinded by time. And I do not like the aboriginal commit. We, of American Indian desent, prefer American Indian, and yes I do have a clue about the former diet of the American Indian and a good bit of history of said peoples, and still have some in my family that speak the language instead of english. My name will tell you I am not opposed to fishing. I love fishing. Its what I do on vacation, weekends and my days off. Salmon return to the same river they spawned in. If they were hatched in Alaska, they return to Alaska to spawn. After 80 years, I have serious doubts that tearing down the dams, or putting in fish ladders would make a bit of diffrence in the population. I have no problem getting salmon in the stores. Commercial fishers seem to catch plenty to. I dont see where you are on target anywhere in your snide little remarks. BTW, you can take your foot out of your aboriginal mouth now.
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I got fish jz in my eye!
February 1, 2007 - 14:14 ET by James AnthonyWell, let's look at that term aboriginal, it means original inhabitant. Look it up before you commit onit.
American Indian means that you subscribe to being misnamed by a lost Italian working for a Spanish queen. Not exactly a great deal of ethnic pride there homey.
Unless you mean that your family is from India, that would then be an accurate statement.
So, what I'm saying here is that.... something is fishy here. But then many people claim something that they are not just as many people will accuse others of being, you've made my point.
As for being on target, the way you and your buds are going off, I'd say was pretty dead on. Can't take my foot out of my mouth because I'm still hoping on one leg in a three legged dance with you. Now that's a snide remark, see how it's not the same?
Plus if you really liked to fish, wouldn't you be in favor of putting more fish back in the water and not disregarding succsessful reintroductions?
It's more than just bait and beer buddy.
Damn ! Your smart James(Mar
February 1, 2007 - 14:23 ET by BrownCowDamn ! Your smart James(Marc) Anthony ! Now that you have insulted someone that you claim to have empathy for. . . . Do you realize that there is no human that is actually “native” to this continent ?? Or its just about the label . . . makes you feel better to categorize and label people? Put em in their place?
In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem. Government is the problem. -Ronald Reagan
How now BrownCow ?
February 1, 2007 - 14:56 ET by SportPoliticsHey,I learned something from libby boy. It's the libs snide way of dissing Christopher Columbus by calling bassndude "aboriginal".
Of course ***ktard forgot they use that commonly in Austrialia, so of course there could be no confusion in the liberal world that puts those original locals all down in the same underclass the lib wants em in no matter what continent of the earth they're still on.
In fact, let's just give it all to the out of Africa people, and why stop there, I think it's time we humans did the right thing and gave it all back to our bipedal ancestor descendants. To make things easy, this is now liberally and officially the planet of the apes ! By obvious liberal logic the biggest chimp of all , President George W Bush now owns the World !
( Watch out what you ask for for libs ! ) hahahaaa
chocolate moo juice
February 1, 2007 - 16:00 ET by James AnthonyI didn't insult anyone based on ethnicity. That is a fantasy in your mind. Nor do I claim to have empathy for anyone, with the exception of anyone who has to live with you ( that was an insult incase you missed it, but it was only done in an attempt to help you realize when something is one, since you demonstrated that you can't tell)
But yeah, there probably are people who have been around longer genetically speaking that would like to see waterways restored, but that's no more a race issue than a political one and that's the whole point.
Well now. I suppose you know
February 1, 2007 - 14:31 ET by bassndudeWell now. I suppose you know more about what the original Americans prefer than I do. After all, Im just an ignorant aboriginal. In reality tho, even Webster disagrees with you about the American Indian.
I am much in favor of improving the fisherys around. But I fail to understand how you are going to get salmon to go spawn there, when there havent been any spawn there for 80 years. LIke I said, salmon will return to the waters of their birth, and that is Alaska for the most part. Always has been.
Your ignorance of nature is astounding. Second only to your arrogance. When you sign your name do you spell it small s or a S?
I dont drink beer or hard liquor, thanks.
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I'll drink to that
February 1, 2007 - 15:38 ET by James AnthonyPart of being arrogant is what we do here, putting our opinions out in public for ridicule.
Most of the people that are from tribes, say so, Cherokee, Navajo ect. Maybe you don't, I don't care, just like I don't care if you don't like the term aboriginal or not, because It's an accurate use of the word. ( unless you would prefer nomadic asian pre paleo bearing sea pedestrian.)
Read my original post, it has nothing to do with what has been shoveled out in this looking for liberal meat to post hate fest has been about. Then kiss my ass.
If they can make it right by correcting an obtrusive waterway then for the sake of generations to come they should. It's got nothing to do with liberalism or conservatism, it's conservation and if you can't get that then tough shit, you're an idiot.
I'm pretty sure they reintroduce the fingerlings into the river and they find their way back. I'm almost positive it's been done before. Anytime we can correct a situation, we should.
Look if you like to fish, you can't be all bad. Hell, I troll nude for lady fish. I'll be the first one to admit my ignorance of nature, but at least I give care. The rest of this bs is just looking for a whipping boy and for the record, I ain't it.
I dont see where you wished t
February 1, 2007 - 16:22 ET by bassndudeI dont see where you wished to know a tribe, as you lumped us all together anyway. If it is of any interest to you, my grandmother was from down around Lawton and Altus and we are of Chiricahua Apache desent. And as far as I can tell, your all ass.
You being pretty sure about reintrroducing fingerlings into a river and them comming back, could you recite the study done to assure this result? And how many fingerlings will they have to introduce to ensure they live to get back? What is the life span of a salmon? If you care about nature, you have a strange way of showing it. Things I care about, I educate myself in. You should try it. Even we natives can read.
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tell me a salmon story grand pa
February 1, 2007 - 16:38 ET by James AnthonyGood, then read this from a Black Foot reject and shove it up yours chief. You want assurances go back and read some treaties. Let me know when you get to the part that says forever. And no I could care even less about whose womb one of your parents dropped out of because IT DOESN"T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS. Just like the rest of bs you and sporty have been pumping.
For that matter, do your own research if you want specs. I'm too busy pulling pine cones out my a** and splinters out of my d**k, remember?
When the hell did you stop caring? You must be really freakin proud.
Just as I thought james. Not
February 1, 2007 - 16:55 ET by bassndudeJust as I thought james. Not only are you ignorant of nature, your also a racist and we can do withtout your slurs. Just because you feel inferior and guilty for taking our land and killing us, that dosent mean I call you a murderer. I only brought up tribe because you asked. I have done my research on these matters, ( I watch the outdoor life channel you know :-) and have actually caught a fish before. You really should lighten up on the sugar, dude. Seems I care alot more than you do. At least I cared enough to read and go out and learn about nature. Takes more than sitting in a chair typing on a computer saying you care to show that you do. IF you did care, you would know something of what you care about. Your posts are nothing more that parroting what those liberals say. Those who think camping out is spending the night at the Holliday Inn. Your one of em.
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mmmm
February 1, 2007 - 17:11 ET by James AnthonyAmazing, you had a thought. Good golly, keep it up and maybe you'll have another one! Why, if this keeps happening..... you might have a clear one one day! Wouldn't that be something to write home about. I'm so proud of you!!!
Now go back and reread what I said and try it again , faker!
oops
February 1, 2007 - 17:13 ET by James AnthonySorry, I get my a's and uc's mixed up sometimes.... too much sugar.
What a twit.Save a SeAL, club
February 1, 2007 - 17:21 ET by bassndudeWhat a twit.
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Well James that wasn't terrible
February 1, 2007 - 16:59 ET by SportPoliticsWell James that wasn't terrible, but then I'm not he who you attacked again.
I disagree that it's not a rep vs dem or a conservative vs liberal thing, simply because it is,by the very nature of this thread starter it is.
The point is the demmolibs do all their crying for natural sustainable energy, then when it comes down to salmon, they choose that and screw the 4 hyrdoelectrics.
I'll tell you what could heal the rift IMO. I'd really believe all the wailing crybabies if they got together 199 (or 101 if I misinterpreted) million and did a deal with Hathaway whereby they paid for the difference for the salmon fishwalks. They could contact Kerry wife's foundation and do a big drive to save the western seaboard Salmon for the USA, and all their big players like Sorros Tim Robbins could pitch in appropriate millions,and all the actors that never moved out of the USA when Bush was relected pitched in their last 3 or 30 million movie deal money and they DO IT,and SAVE the Salmon,and the hydroeletric 4, and the 70,00 people.
Now, if these damned cackling troublemakers actually did that, I'd layoff. What do you think the chances of them putting their vast $$$$$$$$$$$$$ resources where their big mouths are in this case, which is a perfect chance for them to prove they care, and don't hate "big corporations" ?
I mean here is their golden opportunity to really repair their reputations and make a difference.
I think we will all be left with basically what you said instead.
Sounds good
February 1, 2007 - 17:27 ET by James AnthonyI'm all for it provided they pitch everyone you mentioned into the river afterwards except that would be enough slime to kill all the fish.... but your threadstarter point is well taken, I just see bias as bias.
It doesn't do our side any good, at least it doesn't seem that way to trouble maker me, when it's a bigger problem than politics. Politics sort of trivializes what matters even more than policy even though with the wrong policy none of us will be around to complain or pontificate about it. That's why I'm trying to keep it real, some folks don't make that very easy around here......
February 1, 2007 - 13:57 ET by bassndude
see above bassndude
February 1, 2007 - 13:35 ET by SportPoliticsSee above bassndude, Mark Anthony's claim to the environment extends over the entire world with his mental ideation of "sustainability" , but some poor suckers death from lack of electicity, after the great actor takes away said 80 years of "unsustainability" electricity, is that dead sob that lives there's problem.
Ya see, the prisitne once a year salmon run must be "restored to sustainability" , because everyone DIED without it the past 80 years. Now Mark Anthony is going to "save everyone with his sustainable environment" by making sure 70,000 residents freeze to death during the winter( their problem - unlike Mark Anthony's lawful grasp on all worldly environment), so a bunch of libs can buy a salmon tag from the government for a catch and release daycare outing.
When the Indians get their 200 year old native lifestyle back, and buy the Monsanto packed salmon from the corporate sponsored and stock market active Kroger market off the reservation, I'm sure the great actor will come by and protest the taking of natural wildlife and exploitation of the real locals,and government insider 80%of the land tract deal.
Smoked salmon crack
February 1, 2007 - 13:55 ET by James AnthonyDude,
You really ought to lay off the ole crack pipe so early in the day. I didn't say any of that dribble. You're twisting and turning to keep from gettin real. Stop, you're going to hurt yourself.
All I said was that if there's way to make it work for people to cohabitate with natural resources that was the right thing to do. The rest is all in your mind.
I did say that I didn't see where that was a issue of dem v/s rep. That's just my opinion, but don't try to make stuff up to caste me in some liberal position. That dog don't hunt.
Man, you sound like a liberal. Get a grip. on a fish......
Stuff
February 1, 2007 - 21:54 ET by acumenMy oh my, look what I missed while at work today. Totally mischaracterized by a NB newbie who then has the audacity to whine:
"I didn't say any of that dribble. You're twisting and turning to keep from gettin real."
Dude,
So you are uncomfortable with someone divining your thoughts but have no problem engaging in that same behavior?
Let's recap what you had to say about this commenter (paraphrasing); You don't pay attention, you don't read labels, you don't mind the build up of toxins, you insult those who care about life, you let a natural food supply be wasted, and your attitude puts the rest at risk.
Have we met? Do we know each other? Or are you just having a bad toxin day?
I really don't like getting personal with strangers but let me help you out.
I have an AS degree in Marine Technology and a BS degree in Marine Biology. On sea I spent over 5 years aboard the RV Advance II and other support vessels working on projects ranging from NASA's Tektite projects in the Virgin Islands to mapping fish habitats off the Carolinas. On land I have engaged in lengthy research on the impact of dairy, chicken and hog effluent run-off on streams, river basins, estuaries and their wildlife as well as other related water quality management work as a scientist at NCSU. Further, I have worked as a private consultant to catfish and bass farmers in North and South Carolina. In short I know a little something about marine life, water quality management and related science - At the least, I possess more knowledge about fish populations and their habitat than you seem to have divining humans.
Now if you want to debate alarmism rather than practical science, I suggest you contact Algore. If you want to debate science, then I suggest you offer something more substantial than your expertise in product label reading, unsolicited divining of people you don't know and cruising through life solely on your w(h)inning personality. Just don't offer it to me as I really don't care what you "feel" about any topic or any person and I assure you I will reciprocate.
Sport...the guy is bleeding s
February 1, 2007 - 14:14 ET by bassndudeSport...the guy is bleeding sap. Wonder if he gets splinters in his p***er from the trees he pollinates? Hes definately two pinecones short of a dozen. And for someone that is so concerned, he sure dont know much about what hes concerned about. Wonder if he is from Seattle or SF?
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That's about the looks of it bassndude
February 1, 2007 - 15:19 ET by SportPoliticsYes, I didn't see a single thing he got correct of note at all.
btw- you can't read, I can't comprehend, you're not American Indian, Webster's is wrong, fish ladders don't cost a dime, electricity is their problem, I'm on crack, you have never fished, and James isn't a liberal, I am.
Oh man ! roflmao
Oh he never said any of that. Not even the part where whoever lives there paying for it is their baby. rofl If I read his reply to someone else,that's unfair and I can't use it.
bassndude, beat me with a stick so I can stop laughing.
I am amazed at how well the p
February 1, 2007 - 15:29 ET by BrownCowI am amazed at how well the public institutions teach hypocrisy and contradiction as a way of communicating. . . .
In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem. Government is the problem. -Ronald Reagan
Can you spell G-O-O-F? He is
February 1, 2007 - 16:23 ET by bassndudeCan you spell G-O-O-F? He is a real one, he is.
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101 Million more than tearing
February 1, 2007 - 11:40 ET by uc101 Million more than tearing down damns? Tearing down and leaving river(s) how? Sounds like there would be additional costs to restore the river after teardown? Is this in your numbers?
Dam the Dams
February 1, 2007 - 12:12 ET by acumenI didn't realize that salmon was an endangered species. Hmmm, I wonder where all that salmon available in our nation's grocery stores comes from......
Dams - fish vs. humans issue. This must be the "new direction" the Mediacratic Party plans on taking their human constituents.
A good compromise would be to stop eating salmon. Other than that, the only other sensible solution is, those in support of the human benefits the existing Dams provide can sleep in their beds, those in support of the fish can sleep in the river. Win-win.......
This constituent is a bit more concerned about the born humans vs. the unborn humans issue.
fish rides for free
February 1, 2007 - 12:58 ET by James AnthonyThere's allot you don't realize. Try paying attention. Fish populations are dropping everywhere. The salmon that you mention the abundance of in your local store are farm raised. Read a lable once in a while.
Now maybe you don't mind the build up of toxins that occurs with that process, but I do. And if you are so concerned about the unborn, you would be too. What an insult to those who care about life that you would let a natural food supply be wasted so that some peole don't have to come up with a better way to get along because they have contaminated cr*p to eat. Which by the way causes all kinds of long term health problems for your unborn that you're so proud to protect. There's more threats than just a blib in time that says it's okay to murder unborn. Your attitude puts the rest at risk that are hopefully going to be brought into the world. It's hard to look past the present, but we've got to do it.
et tu Deritus
February 1, 2007 - 13:21 ET by Jack Baueret tu Deritus
What was the average life-expectency 200 years ago compared to that of about, oh...79 today.
You know, when everybody had a "natural" food suppy, apart from the horse-shit used as fertilizer, of course.
horse hockey rules!
February 1, 2007 - 13:33 ET by James AnthonyPeople weren't dying then from the things they are now, so I really couldn't say. But if you think the foods are better now that they are mass produced, you go right ahead and have a blast at the fastfood places. I don't even have the inclination to point out what's wrong with that with you. Have fun. I 'll be down at the river humping trees and crapping pinecones.
James I knew I smelled a liar
February 1, 2007 - 14:00 ET by SportPoliticsNo jamesey, the liar, they were dying from it all, but there were no doctors and MRI machines nor scientists to label and diagnose what was killing them 'en mass before they turned 50. ( Now we've eliminated a LOT of those diseases and death)
Now we can cut that crap out of them or give them a new heart valve, but in your world that you really couldn't say, no such thing has ever happened.
I knew you were full of it. I'm getting better at smelling em.
I saw one of the Kennedy's whining on the tube a year ago that he can't go fishing because all the eastern fisheries are over the mercury limit and he'd go insane eating the fish,or it would destroy his latest bedded virgins uterus. Of course that's the problem with you and yours, every evil danger and death fantasy you liberals come up with is supposed to be believed.
BTW - JACKASS JAMES [
Farmed Salmon have always been under the gun
That's why I buy the can that says " WILD ALASKAN SALMON" in big letters on the front of it,or the BAG that says " WILD ALASKAN SALMON" - you know, the KIND YOU CAN'T READ !!!!
The kind that is in "all that destroyed and polluted environment".
Call me Jack
February 1, 2007 - 14:26 ET by James AnthonyNow there's a handle I could be proud of JackAss James in red.... cool.
If you prefer canned salmon to fresh, knock your self out ace. But, it seems like it might be better to be able to catch your own, just a thought. As for your smellin em'... never mind, stick with the canned stuff. Better yet,just try sticking with what the issue is. You might learn something, like how to consider before joe bidening.
Hey dude
February 1, 2007 - 15:41 ET by SportPoliticsHey dude, I can go catch my own NOW. Nothing like "it might be better" (because it sure isn't for me), I'll go do it whenever I choose to though, with one o my military buds, btw,unless of course the earth is destroyed by al gores countdown to extinction.
Yeah, and it's like, natural, myaaaaaan, I just hate convenience.
( 2 months ago I had a nice big slab of a record Northern caught just outside the city at my great friend's gunshop. Best family people you could hope to meet. So don't worry about my eats. )
Whatever the issue is, now it's over.
Unless you have something you'd like to expound upon ?
You could count up the times you we're wrong for us, that would would take a while.
You dont know what they were
February 1, 2007 - 14:07 ET by bassndudeYou dont know what they were dying of then, James. The fact of the matter is that cancer was present in neolithic times. They have found evidence of bone cancers and other such thing. Even the dinosaurs suffered from sever bone infections of various types. If these were around, so were the others. I doubt there is anything on earth now that wasent then. Just not so mayn people, is all. So I would say they were dying of the same things, just dying at younger ages. I dont eat fast foods, well, for the most part anyway. My granddaughers are fond of grandys breakfast buffet.
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Yeah the lib forgets what starving was
February 1, 2007 - 15:31 ET by SportPoliticsYeah the lib forgets what starving was.... widespread.
Just the other day I read that the Europeans are actually finally growing to their heighth potential because of the availability of food.
I'm sure there are plenty of grandparents a lot shorter than their progeny right here in the USA.
I know, according to greenfreaks were all going to die, sooner rather than later.
Nope, a know nothing or a liar. What person doesn't know modern technology (all that pollution and destruction and unsustainability ) has extended the average lifespan massively ? I guess James was sucking on leaded paintsills in between treetime ?
twilight time....
February 1, 2007 - 16:09 ET by James AnthonyI just find that amazing, not that they are geting taller but that you read something. Why don't you try that little exercise again and wisk your way back to my first post. I know... it's scary but it can't be any worse than what looks back at you in mirror. It's pretty freaking simple, you should be able to get it.
You're a freaking goof.
et tu Deritus..You'll hav
February 1, 2007 - 14:07 ET by Jack Baueret tu Deritus..
You'll have to define "better."
Better than what?
I guess your sense of history doesn't stretch back any further than watching Scooby Doo as a kid, but people died young of lots of things back then: disease, epidemics, breaking a leg.
Many died of starvation. Poor diet. Adulterated food. Toxins in food. Bad food. All naturally grown, of course.
Your 'points' seem a bit fatuous and uninspired, to me.
Rut Row Raggy
February 1, 2007 - 15:47 ET by James AnthonyThere was life before Scooby?
Yeah, food that is grown without chemicals is healthier for you. Thanks for your history lesson in morbitdity.
I just don't think I can bear the thought of you finding my point about something else uninspired.
Have to disagree there as well
February 1, 2007 - 16:14 ET by SportPoliticsHave to disagree there as well. Food that is grown without chemicals doesn't grow very well. We have a chemical, hybrid, and genetically altered food supply now, ( right down to nitrogen for the soil ),and have the healthiest people from it all.
Chemical "Joe Wieder" powder and allsorts of chemically manufactured supplements keep people healthy and save their lives.
Hey, I'm not against an organic orange, but you had better expect brown spots and skin scrapes and crap, and one the size of a lemon.
A lot of the food has been modified to produce more vitamins and nutrients when it grows.
I just really don't think "organic" food is a SUSTAINABLE way of feeding the population of the earth, nor is it easiest on the environment, nor on the people.
What you say makes sense only to a very small degree anymore. Can you imagine the size of the work needed to make an organic diet ? It's near impossible nowadays. It's not healthiest also because it's mostly unavailable. Just forget it.
One of the reasons we live longer is because Kellogs raisin bran has the 10 vitamins slogged into it with a chemical process.
Just forget it.
Chemical Tony
February 2, 2007 - 06:25 ET by Jack Baueret tu Deritus
Yeah, food that is grown without chemicals is healthier for you.
That could be the most stupid thing you've said so far. And that's quite a high bar you've already set for yourself.
Your whole body comprises "chemicals."
Ever heard of H20, CO2, O2, oxygen, water, hydrogen, carbon?
Apparently these chemical are the building blocks of the universe created, many physicists claim, at the Big Bang? And that occured any time between 10 billion and 20 billion years ago depending on which big brain you believe.
Do you not know that the "organic" horse-shit that farmers used to use as a fertilizer is all , ahem... chemicals?
And that farmers have been genetically manipulating "food" for, oh-- about the past couple of millenniums?
What? You think "wheat" is natural. That "corn" just happened, y'know, like shit happens? Man, you really are deluded.
Food is "chemicals" in case you missed that one.
Hell, the whole UNIVERSE is made up from "chemicals."
All MATTER is "chemicals."
I don't know you, but on what you've written so far I suspect you may be even more fatuous than I first thought.
Try using that chemically created brain that uses chemical reactions to produce thought, for some other purpose than parroting gibberish.
James Anthony
February 1, 2007 - 16:37 ET by misterbillI have before me a booklet from The Monterey Bay Aquarium. It lists fish we should not eat because the food fish supply is being plundered , thanks to new types of equipment that snares all. It also lists fish to avoid due to contaminants. The salmon(wild caught Alaskan) is on the list of fish we SHOULD eat. It is not threatened. It's life replacement is rated as sustainable by the Marine Stewardship Council. Farm raised salmon, including Atlantic salmon is on the "avoid" list. Not due to scarcity but due to mercury and other contaminants.
As to which trees to cohabitate with--I will research that and get back to you with information as to those with the lowest incidents of STDs. (Social Tree Diseases)
LOL misterbill....STDs indeed
February 1, 2007 - 16:44 ET by bassndudeLOL misterbill....STDs indeed!!
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Bassndude
February 1, 2007 - 16:51 ET by misterbillI have not done an extensive study, but a quick perusal suggests that Cone-orrhea is the number one STD followed by Cedar-yphylis. One should take extreme caution when turned on by any member of the cactus family. (That is if you value your member. This is a branch(pun intended) of little known medicine.
A lesser, but perhaps more painful problem is chaparall thighs from unprotected sex.
misterbill...me thinks you ha
February 1, 2007 - 16:58 ET by bassndudemisterbill...me thinks you have to much free time...LOL
Those are great by the way.
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bass
February 1, 2007 - 17:08 ET by misterbillI have had a lifetime problem staying on subject when encountering input such as I have seen today from James Anthony. I quickly tire of the arguments that I know will not change his (or my) opinions and I escape into, irony, sarcasm or childish humor. (I know you are but what am I or Neener, Neener!)
It has helped carry me sanely into my 70s in spite of tumbler, cjkinsey,blaresn and the like. Furthermore, the aformentioned are usually so far blown out of the water by experienced NBers like you, BT, Blonde,Chris, Shrub---I have to stop there, there are so many knowledgable people here, and I can see that those others (libs) do not even know they have been blown apart.
Seriously, I am deeply concerned about our country and the the likes of this Arkin fool. I think if I were young enogh to join the military again, I wouldn't. Why die to defend the right of scum like him who would sneer at me for fighting for his rights.
misterbill...I can relate. Lo
February 1, 2007 - 17:19 ET by bassndudemisterbill...I can relate. Lots of people on here I wish I was half as smart.
I have raised 6 conservitive kids, only the boys are politically active tho. The oldest is a little more liberal than I would have hoped, but over all his out look is conservative. The other two boys are like me. Rabid conservative.
I look back at the Army, and find myself glad I am not in it today. I dislike deserts and combat in cities. The jungle suited me. I did find myslef angry when I got back. Mad, not at the world, but at the hippies that were calling me names and spitting on me. Went to jail before I had been back a week cause of my temper. Well, that and I was used to doing what I damn well pleased, and as long as I did my job when asked to do it. Nobody said anything. But I would do it again. Not really for James, but for my kids, Mom and siblings. Family really. Thats what it is about anyway. Family and those who cant do for them selves. The mentaly and physicaly challanged? But then, I think that would include James...:-)
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ooohhhhh
February 1, 2007 - 17:50 ET by James AnthonyGee that was a warm and fuzzy reunion.... amazing how simply saying that if there is way for the dams and the fish to work together, it might be a good idea that transends politics, some things do....
I don't think there was really ever any other issue here other than having or more accurately choosing to respond to all the misdirection. You're looking for a fight and I keep trying to tell you, it's not with me.
Thank you for your service to your country bass. It is not a ticket to try to walk all over me. I'm one of the people who has total admiration for our military,supports our troops in word and when able, in deed and fully supports what they are trying to do. But that has nothing to do with the subject, now does it.
Are you going to twist this around too now?
James, Im not twisti