As global warmingists breathlessly await a new report from the United Nations about the imminent doom of our planet, and Democrats convene highly publicized panels in Congress to discuss how only they can save the world, two well-known skeptics were guests on “Hannity and Colmes” Tuesday.
What ensued could only be improved upon if the discussion was to be required viewing all over the country – especially in public schools – as a rebuttal to Al Gore’s schlockumentary “An Inconvenient Truth.”
Fred Singer of the University of Virginia began:
Well, the climate is warming. That's what the temperature indicators show or the thermometers show this. But the cause of warming, that's another story. It could either be natural, as we think it is, or it could be manmade. And we find that there is really no evidence to support the manmade hypothesis.
Dennis Avery, Singer’s co-author of the new book on the subject “Unstoppable Global Warming,” then gave some historical perspective:
The Romans wrote in the 1st century about growing wine grapes in Britain. Then, during the Dark Ages, it was too cold. During the medieval period, the Britons themselves wrote about growing wine grapes in Britain. And then, for 650 years, during the little ice age, it was too cold.
After 1950, they started trying to grow wine grapes again in Britain. They're now up to two years out of 10, with a little help from some tricky hybrids. So this tells us, a, there's a cycle and, b, the temperatures today aren't yet as warm as they were 650 years ago or 2,000 years ago.
Hannity asked if warming is tied to humans. Singer chimed in:
There has never been a case of human activity causing a global warming. And, of course, sea levels have been rising since the end of the last ice age. In fact, sea levels have been rising about 400 feet, since about 18,000 years ago.
After Hannity asked about Gore’s contentions, Singer replied:
I don't think he thinks he's lying, but I don't think he understands the problem really well. For example, when he talks about glaciers melting, of course they're melting. You would expect them to melt when the climate is warming. But that doesn't tell you why the climate is warming…He's confusing consequences and the cause. He's making a logical error.
Colmes entered the discussion by asking if the recent increases in CO-2 aren’t “incontrovertible proof that the behaviors man has led to what we're talking about here.” Avery responded:
Not at all. In the 1980s, we dug up long ice cores from both Greenland and the Antarctic. They showed a moderate, natural, 1,500-year cycle. We've had 600 warmings in the last million years. And the ice cores and the sea bed sediment show this. And none of the past has found CO-2 coinciding with temperature change.
In fact, Mr. Gore, in his Antarctic scenario, says temperature and CO- 2 have moved radically and together through the last four ice ages, and that's true. What he doesn't tell us is that the temperatures changed 800 years before the CO-2 levels.
Singer also had an opinion on this CO-2 issue that seems lost on all of the global warmingists:
Well, CO-2, of course, is not a pollutant. It is a naturally occurring gas in the atmosphere. In fact, it's essential to life. It's what all plants use in order to grow. Without CO-2, there would be no life on Earth. So let's get that very clear: It is not a pollutant.
It has increased. And it is undoubtedly the case that the human activities have led to the increase. But that doesn't prove it's the cause of warming. You see, it's just a correlation. And, for example, during much of the last century, the climate was cooling, while CO-2 was rising, so how do you explain that?
The global warmingists don’t explain that, and the media don’t question them about it. In fact, that’s the point.
What follows is a full transcript of this segment.
HANNITY: Scientists from the United Nations' climate panel are gathering in Paris to determine the effects of global warming. Their conclusions will be released later this week. But is the growing panic over global warming based on fact or fiction?
Joining us now from the Hudson Institute, environmental economist Dennis Avery and physicist and professor from the University of Virginia, Fred Singer is with us.
Guys, thank you both for being with us. Are we being told the truth about global warming, Dr. Singer?
FRED SINGER, UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA: Well, the climate is warming. That's what the temperature indicators show or the thermometers show this. But the cause of warming, that's another story. It could either be natural, as we think it is, or it could be manmade. And we find that there is really no evidence to support the manmade hypothesis.
HANNITY: Dennis Avery, is that your conclusion?
DENNIS AVERY, "UNSTOPPABLE GLOBAL WARMING": We've got an interesting historic perspective. The Romans wrote in the 1st century about growing wine grapes in Britain. Then, during the Dark Ages, it was too cold. During the medieval period, the Britons themselves wrote about growing wine grapes in Britain. And then, for 650 years, during the little ice age, it was too cold.
After 1950, they started trying to grow wine grapes again in Britain. They're now up to two years out of 10, with a little help from some tricky hybrids. So this tells us, a, there's a cycle and, b, the temperatures today aren't yet as warm as they were 650 years ago or 2,000 years ago.
HANNITY: Professor Singer, I know they're claiming on the left, and Al Gore leading the way, that the polar ice caps and glaciers will melt and sea levels will rise, et cetera, et cetera. They claim that parts of that is actually true, but there are also other ice caps, as I understand it, and scientists are saying, that are actually thickening here.
Has human activity ever been the cause of global warming? Because it's now seemingly, in the political world, becoming conventional wisdom.
SINGER: There has never been a case of human activity causing a global warming. And, of course, sea levels have been rising since the end of the last ice age. In fact, sea levels have been rising about 400 feet, since about 18,000 years ago.
HANNITY: Can I ask a question? You've heard Vice President Al Gore. I don't know if you've taken the time to go see his movie.
SINGER: Of course.
HANNITY: Is he lying to the American people? Is he politicizing this topic for some type of political agenda?
SINGER: I don't think he thinks he's lying, but I don't think he understands the problem really well. For example, when he talks about glaciers melting, of course they're melting. You would expect them to melt when the climate is warming. But that doesn't tell you why the climate is warming.
COLMES: Hey, Dennis Avery, in terms of politicizing -- yes, go ahead.
SINGER: He's confusing consequences and the cause. He's making a logical error.
COLMES: Let me go to Mr. Avery if I can. According to this new U.N. report that is being criticized by you and others, it does say that, before the industrial revolution, levels of CO-2 were 280 parts per million. Today there are 380 parts per million, an increase of CO-2 in the atmosphere, which they specifically put on the industrial revolution, with those numbers to prove it. Is that not incontrovertible proof that the behaviors man has led to what we're talking about here?
AVERY: Not at all. In the 1980s, we dug up long ice cores from both Greenland and the Antarctic. They showed a moderate, natural, 1,500-year cycle. We've had 600 warmings in the last million years. And the ice cores and the sea bed sediment show this. And none of the past has found CO-2 coinciding with temperature change.
In fact, Mr. Gore, in his Antarctic scenario, says temperature and CO- 2 have moved radically and together through the last four ice ages, and that's true. What he doesn't tell us is that the temperatures changed 800 years before the CO-2 levels.
COLMES: Professor Singer, we are seeing the CO-2 levels, though, rise in conjunction with the industrial revolution. How you can you discount the amount of pollution that's gone into the atmosphere since around 1900, in conjunction with manufacturing and what we have done to the environment? How you can discount that?
SINGER: Well, CO-2, of course, is not a pollutant. It is a naturally occurring gas in the atmosphere. In fact, it's essential to life. It's what all plants use in order to grow. Without CO-2, there would be no life on Earth. So let's get that very clear: It is not a pollutant.
It has increased. And it is undoubtedly the case that the human activities have led to the increase. But that doesn't prove it's the cause of warming. You see, it's just a correlation. And, for example, during much of the last century, the climate was cooling, while CO-2 was rising, so how do you explain that?
HANNITY: Professor Singer, we appreciate your wisdom. Thank you for being with us. Dennis Avery, thank you for being with us. I hope Al Gore is watching.
—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters.















Comments Policy
When it comes to global cli
January 31, 2007 - 13:12 ET by DyneWhen it comes to global climate patterns, mankind's influence when contrasted with the sun's can be compared to a squirt gun and a tidal wave in influencing how much gets wet.
"I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is to try to please everyone." - Bill Cosby
The good news is that the maj
January 31, 2007 - 13:12 ET by EdhenryThe good news is that the majority of the US public doesn't believe Gore's hypothesis (conclusion actually). Gore is the perfect person to carry this issue. He is a marginal politician, proven to hype his importance on significant issues (internet/Love Story) and politicizes any issue to his advantage = No credibility.
The public understands warming is occurring and want to know cause(s). What they see as they pass by the TV is pedantic hysteria. They (dems, MSM, UN, "concerned scientists" - as opposed to all the scientists who are unconcerned) are starting to look foolish by closing the debate so furiously & prematurely. They would welcome debate if they had complete confidence in their position.
A lie circles the earth before the truth gets out of bed. However, the lie may have speed, but only the truth has endurance.
Either Al Gore is a complete
January 31, 2007 - 13:16 ET by richflanjEither Al Gore is a complete idiot, or as is more likely, he is a complete socialist, and attempting to advance the left wing agenda under the guise of "protecting the planet". (Personally, I believe he is both, but "idiot socialist" is an oxymoron.)
Also, isn't it interesting that ALL of the Global warming "solutions" have a cost to the United States, but not to the third world, Russia, and China (the world's largest polluters)?
"The right to be heard does not automatically include the right to be taken seriously." --Hubert Humphrey
Richflanj, an oxymoron would
January 31, 2007 - 13:22 ET by MikeBRichflanj, an oxymoron would be something like "jumbo shrimp", "rap music", "journalistic integrity", or "political ethics". "Idiot socialist", on the otherhand is an example of redundancy.
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan
"President Clinton"
January 31, 2007 - 13:29 ET by HumanEvents"President Clinton" has long been my favorite example of an oxymoron.
Of course, in 2000 "Senator Clinton" became an equally good example. And now more than ever as she spends her "new term" in the Senate completely ignoring New Yorkers (other than when she scampaigns there, which should be little since she has that state in the bag).
I hope John McCain watched "Hannity and Colmes" last night so he can see that there is indeed something left to argue on "global warming"!
And here I always thought a
January 31, 2007 - 14:37 ET by Tom1969caAnd here I always thought an "oxymoron" was an idiot with really bad acne... ;-)
And now, for some more classic oxymorons:
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VOTE DEMOCRAT!
(It's easier than thinking)
Oops, you are correct. My apo
January 31, 2007 - 13:54 ET by richflanjOops, you are correct. My apologies. When I though of Al Gore, I automatically thought "moron".
Hm.. I thought Dick and Bus
January 31, 2007 - 20:39 ET by The TruthHm.. I thought Dick and Bush first than Gore.
"Either Al Gore is a com
February 2, 2007 - 11:46 ET by Ruths husband Ben"Either Al Gore is a complete idiot, or as is more likely, he is a complete socialist, ..." Could he not be both? Come on, he's a man of all seasons, let's give the man the benefit of the doubt.
1. There is documented scie
January 31, 2007 - 13:18 ET by winston smith1. There is documented scientific proof that the warming of the earth does not necessarily correspond to the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere
2. There have been 600 warmings in the last 1 million years including the famous "medieval warm period" which the GWists still have no explanation for (unless they believe that the neanderthals and cromags found a way to extract and burn fossil fuels).
Two great reasons to remain skeptical of all the GW hype.
Well, cavemen had car insura
January 31, 2007 - 14:12 ET by Roger the ShrubberWell, cavemen had car insurance, did they not?
Noel, your headline"Glob
January 31, 2007 - 13:24 ET by midnight cowboyNoel, your headline
"Global Warming Skeptics Contests Al Gore's Logic"
is an oxymoron as well as a grammatically incorrect . The word "logic" following the words Al Gore is a syntax error not found in the English language.
Since when does logic enter into the minds of liberals?
Makes sense to me, and I'm ju
January 31, 2007 - 13:26 ET by HypocriteHaterMakes sense to me, and I'm just some schmuck in flyover country. I'm not an elitist journalist or hollywood activist who knows better than me. The sky is not falling, all you chicken littles.
"...the temperatures cha
January 31, 2007 - 13:29 ET by mattm"...the temperatures changed before the CO2 levels."
i.e. IF there is a causal relationship at all, it was the warming that somehow led to increased atmospheric CO2 - the precise opposite of what the GW-ists are claiming! So, either they are mistaken, or they are deliberately attempting to deceive for some alterier motive or another - i.e. politics, and therefore should be disregarded from this point forward!
O.K. NOW the debate is over...
Sorry, but you are wrong..
February 1, 2007 - 21:51 ET bySorry, but you are wrong..
It is well known that CO2 warming is a feedback effect to orbital changes that cause the ice ages.
Now, humans are undoubedly the source of CO2 in the air, and CO2 is undoubtedly a greenhouse gas.
There is no scientific agreem
February 1, 2007 - 22:00 ET by NL207There is no scientific agreement about the cause of glacial periods or why they end, only theories. Scientists do not understand what caused the great mid-eocene cooling of the earth either. YOU cetainly don't know the answer to any of these questions. Please provide references or continue to enjoy zero credibility.
Milankovitch forcings cause t
February 1, 2007 - 22:31 ET byMilankovitch forcings cause the glacials and interglacials. Google will teach you.
Milankovitch is just another
February 1, 2007 - 22:42 ET by NL207Milankovitch is just another theory. Google will teach you that.
Nobody can say with anything approaching 100% certainty that Milankovitch cycles drive glaciation. The periodicities are not exact for one. Milankovitch has periodicity approximately 126,000 years . The glacial period for the last 500,000 years has been shorter, something more like 100,000 years as can be seen here.
Still no references. eh? No citations of other's works --> you are no scientist.
Coughing up critical thinking skills
February 2, 2007 - 00:41 ET by UnsaneGoogle?
I realize you are willing and eager to turn over your critical thinking skills over to others at the drop of a hat, but turning them over to GOOGLE???
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
Our influence on global warmi
January 31, 2007 - 13:30 ET by Al CzervikOur influence on global warming is a sham. How can the dems/UN/MSM keep a straight face when talking about a 10 year timeframe? Nice to see this dopey dem majority leap into action to solve this problem. If this is truly a problem, why isn't the congress holding marathon sessions to save us??? Why wouldn't the UN be proposing sanctions or even military action against those countries that won't comply???
Perhaps another non-binding resolution will do the trick. Just the fact that Waxman is holding hearings looking backward at the current administration proves that this is nothing more than a political show and a naked power grab designed to keep them in power and separate you from your money.
All in all, wouldn't the warming of the globe fit nicely into what the libs really want? After all, warmer temps reduce the need for heating oil and reduce our dependance on foreign governments. If the oceans rise and wipe out millions of people, wouldn't our consumption be reduced and allow the planet to return to "normal"?
If the oceans do rise I'll be
January 31, 2007 - 13:37 ET by Clear thinkerIf the oceans do rise I'll be sitting on expensive beach front property. Yeah baby!
Here's to the Susquehanna Bay
January 31, 2007 - 15:47 ET by PSPCplFrom where I sit, I could have a nice bay side property. The only problem would be that TMI would have to be dismantled.
Well if my memory is correct.
January 31, 2007 - 17:21 ET by danboWell if my memory is correct. It's been rising at an average of 1-2 mm a year. I live about a mile and a half inland. At this rate, I'll need to consider moving in a couple thousand years.
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.” H.L. Mencken
Unless your house is only 2
January 31, 2007 - 18:27 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveUnless your house is only 2 meters above sea level, you have well over 2,000 years to get your house on the market.
I'd say you have plenty of time.
Gun Safety Tip #8: No matter how responsible he seems, never give your gun to a monkey. (www.imao.us)
Noel, do you really have to use Gore's name and 'logic' together
January 31, 2007 - 13:33 ET by acaiguanaNoel, do you really have to use Gore's name and 'logic' together?
I realize headline writing is an 'art' form.
:-)
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Acaiguana says: "I love blind Monkeys and any inference that I am making fun of blind Monkeys would be wrong.
"I don't think he (AlGor
January 31, 2007 - 13:42 ET by rimsky"I don't think he (AlGore) thinks he's lying."
Algore doesn't give a tinkers damn if the Globe is or isn't warming. I think the only truth he know is that GW is a vehicle for him to regain political power. Period.
If Congress reacts to this latest hysteria about GW, and enacts a bunch of useless regs and laws regarding GW, or worse, if the next President gets pressured enough to sign onto Kyoto, then ten years from now, when nothing will have happened, it will be like that joke about the elephant repellant.. they'll say, "See, there's no global warming, so all these great things we did must be working, so we saved the world." I can just hear it now.
And since Algore has lied abo
January 31, 2007 - 14:04 ET by HumanEventsAnd since Algore has lied about so many other things (like the illegal fundraising he did in the Buddhist Temple and this:
1984: Algore's sister dies of lung cancer.
1988: Algore: "Throughout most of my life, I raised tobacco. I want you to know that with my own hands, all of my life, I put it in the plant beds and transferred it. I've hoed it. I've chopped it. I've shredded it, spiked it, put it in the barn and stripped it and sold it."
1990: Algore still accepting contributions from tobacco companies.
1996: At Democrat convention Algore says: "Three thousand young people in America will start smoking tomorrow. One thousand of them will die a death not unlike my sister's, and that is why, until I draw my last breath, I will pour my heart and soul into the cause of protecting our children from the dangers of smoking").
Besides, his "Inconvenient Truth" is filled with such hot air that you would think even someone as stupid as him knows better and is simply lying and propagating.
Hmmm, and with all that raising tobacco and supporting the industry, just how much can this joker really care about the environment anyway? ;)
don't forget to include in algore's track record...
January 31, 2007 - 17:24 ET by jcrueOccidental Oil (Gore's daddy's company) + Al Gore + Columbia = screwing the indiginous people for petroleum profit
as an aside, Occidental Oil is also Pelosi's #1 campaign contributor to the tune of about $17,000
"do as we say, not as we do, proles" - the elite
Since when did the Super Bowl
January 31, 2007 - 14:05 ET by Mr. KafirSince when did the Super Bowl start worrying about global warming? I don't know how old some of the NBers are, but I remember a time when the NFL was about great football. Now, its about image...politically correct image. Another reason the NFL and pro sports are to be shunned.
I hope not, Mr. Kafir. Next w
January 31, 2007 - 16:46 ET by Mica the MagnificentI hope not, Mr. Kafir. Next would be that football is too rough and a bad influence on our kids. They'll respond by turning it into touch football, and have in their contracts that they must cry on t.v. when they get a boo-boo to show their feminine side. Geeeez!
Thanks for this, Noel. I'm
January 31, 2007 - 14:40 ET by Tom1969caThanks for this, Noel. I'm permanently bookmarking this page for future use.
As should everyone else, IMHO.
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VOTE DEMOCRAT!
(It's easier than thinking)
Fred Singer of the University
January 31, 2007 - 15:06 ET by ZoneDaiatlasFred Singer of the University of Virginia and Dennis Avery will be Keith Olbermann's "Worst Person of the Day" for denieing that Man is the cause of "Global Warming" and exposing the world with REAL FACTS about "Global Warming"...
Global Warming = Y2K Warn
January 31, 2007 - 16:23 ET by JayTeeGlobal Warming = Y2K Warning
Need I say more
Well, that is a fair analog
January 31, 2007 - 18:54 ET by BigBWell, that is a fair analogy..except the year 2000 came and went and proved all the idiots wrong....No such reckoning for good old Al...we can't wake up 100 years from now and say 'Hey guess what, You WERE WRONG AL'!!!!...You just gotta ask yerself, what would this collosal, egotistical windbag be doing if it weren't for this crap??? Inventing time travel???
Now, this might sting just a little bit.....
I don't think we even have
February 1, 2007 - 22:08 ET by Uncle JohnI don't think we even have to wake up 100 years from now, although I have no doubt people still will be waking up then. Didn't Algore say we have 10 years until doomsday, or some such crap? I'm thinking if we wake up even 10 years and 1 day after he made that proclamation, we'd be fully justified to beat on him mercilessly about being wrong. What an assclown.
"It isn't that Liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know so much that isn't so." - Ronald Reagan
If I am not mistaken, Uncle J
February 3, 2007 - 00:26 ET by MikeBIf I am not mistaken, Uncle John, AlGore gave his 10 year prediction 14 years ago. So, apparently, the world ended 4 years ago, we just haven't noticed it yet.
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan
C’mon guys, even The Decide
January 31, 2007 - 16:44 ET by Dave HighC’mon guys, even The Decider is no longer a GW Denier. In the State of the Union speech, Bush said,
“America is on the verge of technological breakthroughs that will enable us to live our lives less dependent on oil. These technologies will help us become better stewards of the environment -- and they will help us to confront the serious challenge of global climate change.”
If that isn’t a tacit admission that manmade activities are the cause of global warming, I don’t know what is. Now I know what y’all (Texas speak) must be thinking; Bush lied about the reasons for starting the war on Iraq, so why should we believe him on this issue? Answer: Unless you believe the world is only 6,000 years old, it just might be time to start listening to our scientists about what appears to be a huge manmade threat to humanity and the planet in general. I say it’s time for NBers to follow our noble (cough, hack) leader and pull your collective heads out of the sand on this issue. Do it while there is still time to make a course correction.
Regards, Dave High
“I’m the Mangler.” - President Bu on NPR explaining why he cannot pronounce ‘ic’.
Dave, are you high?Gun Safety
January 31, 2007 - 16:46 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveDave, are you high?
Gun Safety Tip #8: No matter how responsible he seems, never give your gun to a monkey. (www.imao.us)
"Unless you believe th
January 31, 2007 - 16:52 ET by MightyMouth"Unless you believe the world is only 6,000 years old..."
Ok wiseguy, what answers do you have for us that DO believe the world is only 6,000 years old? (I'm not one, mind you, I think it's more like 10,000 yrs old at least).
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Sorry, Dave. That 'Bush lied'
January 31, 2007 - 17:01 ET by Mica the MagnificentSorry, Dave. That 'Bush lied' statement cannot be backed-up. That's liberal-speak. Drink your Kool-Aid, Dave.
Well there you go again Dave High conflating sarcasism with logi
January 31, 2007 - 17:08 ET by acaiguanaWell there you go again Dave High conflating sarcasism with logic.
Just couldn't resist a 'dig' at what you'd like to believe about Christians. Huh?
Do you think this is cute? Makes you a 'big' man? In case you aren't aware it just reduces you to gibberish.
Let's see if I can sum up you're smug attitude toward religion.
Um....
"Religion is the opiate of the masses."
Yep, that'd do it.
Your joining every little comment to some elitist slam against Christianity is really getting old with me. I don't see a lot of Bush's religion in his behavior, just to be clear. I see a lot of terror and fear on your part of any religion however.
You must be afraid of it as you cannot keep yourself from belittling it every chance you get.
I think you are very sad.
Let me give you a religion to fear and put 'terror' into your equation.
Islam.
Of course, it never occured to you to support our government's efforts to fight radical and terrorist Islam. You couldn't bring yourself to say anything good about that if your very life depended upon it. And I think it does.
You couldn't figure out how to get off the side of the enemy if it meant even a little bit supporting Bush, who you hate beyond rational behavior.
Your behavior here is childish, insulting and cheap. It really isn't worthy of comment, except I'm tired and bored by you.
You are so vested in the US losing the War in Iraq that you cannot wait for the cut and run crowd to grow enough big ones to actually abandon our troops by cutting off their funding. You are probably upset that hasn't already happened.
I'm not a Christian big guy. I'm a tolerant and normal American citizen who believes that people have not only the right to practice whatever religion they desire but also have a politicial voice. And not be disparaged in their political voice with an attack on their religous beliefs by complete bigots like yourself.
You are really cute. Dave High.
Earth is 6,000 years old. Did you figure out that number all by yourself or as I suspect, did you have help with it in your seminar class on how to be a jerk?
If I treated your religion (doubtful you have one) in the manner you treat Christianity, by painting every little thing in contempt using a Canard only the most vile of Democrats restort to using; I'd be rightfully chastised by the smallest child.
But you don't care, do ya? Just as long as Bush is discredited. That's all you want. It's all about domestic power politics to you and your ilk.
That is why we must never ever trust you or your flock with the security of this country.
ACA
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Acaiguana says: "I love blind Monkeys and any inference that I am making fun of blind Monkeys would be wrong.
ACA:My God, you're an angry p
January 31, 2007 - 17:26 ET by Dave HighACA:
My God, you're an angry person. Take a chill pill. Laugh a little. Lighten up before the stress kills ya.
Regards, Dave High
"I'm the Mangler." President BU on NPR explaining why he can't pronounce 'ic'.
No, I'm just disgusted by the inanity you spew on this site.
January 31, 2007 - 17:29 ET by acaiguanaNo, I'm just disgusted by the inanity you spew on this site.
I find it difficult to laugh at condescension from Liberal Elitists who think it is cute to attack someone's religious beliefs in the name of some loftier than thou attitude toward the leadership of the President of the United States. To listen to your drivel is like hearing Stalin from the grave.
ACA
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Acaiguana says: "I love blind Monkeys and any inference that I am making fun of blind Monkeys would be wrong.
Way to go ACA. Dave is so muc
January 31, 2007 - 17:39 ET by florida_chadWay to go ACA. Dave is so much smarter than us. He has totally convinced me. I feel so dumb believing in JC.
ACA:I’d love to hang around
January 31, 2007 - 17:52 ET by Dave HighACA:
I’d love to hang around and continue to be the spittoon for your bile, but I have to run out as I have a 6:30 meeting with my minister tonight. No kidding. I was wondering though, where did you learn how to verbally abuse people? May I suggest you attend church? In my church anyway, they teach people to treat others with respect. My reference to 6,000 years was simply a way to point out that there are those among us who don’t care much for science. It was a legitimate point, given the context of the thread. I am sorry you are so thin-skinned about it.
Regards, Dave High
"I'm the Mangler." President BU on NPR explaining why he can't pronounce 'ic'.
You'll pardon me if I simply do not believe you.
January 31, 2007 - 17:55 ET by acaiguanaYou'll pardon me if I simply do not believe you.
ACA
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Acaiguana says: "I love blind Monkeys and any inference that I am making fun of blind Monkeys would be wrong.
Advice for Dave
January 31, 2007 - 20:32 ET by UnsaneGreat. Another holier-than-thou "do as I say not as I do" Christian.
May I suggest, Mr. High, that you indulge in some critical thinking, worry about your own personal salvation...and learn to follow The Eighth Commandment, if indeed you ARE a Christian?
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
Leaving won't stop you from b
February 2, 2007 - 11:54 ET by Ruths husband BenLeaving won't stop you from being a spittoon, now you are just one with wheels.
Cut him some slack. Someone c
January 31, 2007 - 17:38 ET by danboCut him some slack. Someone can get hurt fighting the terrorist. But he can put on his ghost dance shirt and charge the demon CO2 molecule. He may even see his shaman Boxer do a screeching chant in commettee. Eden will return.
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.” H.L. Mencken
Why would I cut an incremenalist chipper of values any slack?
January 31, 2007 - 17:48 ET by acaiguanaWhy would I cut an incremenalist chipper of values any slack?
That's how Liberals do it danbo. They throw out this crap in the middle of other statements, similar to the way Chris Matthews does without the guest really being able to address the cheap shot; and still stay on topic.
This guy is a Communist of the worst kind. He hides behind the Democrat Party like most of them are these days; uses environmentalism as a means to attack Capitalism; and makes no pretense of his absolute lust for the demise of President Bush, who he wants to paint as a fundamentalist Christian driven not by logic but by an ideology of religion.
As I said, I'm not a Christian nor do I care really about the religion. But, the United States which I stood up for in war was one where people could practice their religious beliefs without being ridiculed in their daily lives because they held them. The exception appears to be Bush and Christianity.
I don't ridicule Muslims or Islam either. But I sure don't see any, not one, never one, Christian cutting throats with box cutters; slicing heads off with rusty knives on video; or suicide bombing school children.
This guy appears to have no problem allowing all of that and running away from the Iraq part of the problem to boot.
And for what? For total control of the Congress, the Courts and the Presidency.
Too high a price to pay.
ACA
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Acaiguana says: "I love blind Monkeys and any inference that I am making fun of blind Monkeys would be wrong.
great posts on this thread
January 31, 2007 - 18:01 ET by Dee Bunkgreat posts on this thread ACA - you nailed it. I was just talking with someone the other day about how liberals love to throw out the constant cheap shots and if we respond to them then we are considered acrimonious trouble makers.
I hope you realize I was bein
January 31, 2007 - 18:26 ET by danboI hope you realize I was being sarcastic. I used to think many of these people were honerable. Just that I disagreed with them. Not any longer.
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.” H.L. Mencken
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Bush lied,
January 31, 2007 - 17:23 ET by Dad GummitYeah, yeah, yeah, Bush lied, blah blah blah.... stolen elections, blah blah blah...WMD, blah blah blah.... War for oil, blah blah blah.... 911 conspiracy, blah blah blah.... (yawn)
Hope you find your lost bong!
"A wise man's heart inclines him to the right, but the heart of a fool to the left" Ecclesiastes 10:2
What if it were the republica
January 31, 2007 - 17:54 ET by Mica the MagnificentWhat if it were the republicans screaming about the dangers of global warming, and Katie Couric laughed at how preposterous it was, where would wavy davy's position on it be?
You just march up to your room, young man, until you believe in global warming! - Ward Cleaver, correcting the Beaver in 2007
You are trying too hard to be
January 31, 2007 - 17:49 ET by Roger the ShrubberYou are trying too hard to be funny, Dave, and your logic is flawed. Using your thinking, only Creationists (ie: dumb X-tians) are dumb enough to believe that Global Warming is not a "huge manmade threat". Using your logic, one could say that only an evolutionist would believe that nature has very little effect (or is it affect?) on the climate, which would then move you solidly into the "barking moonbat" category.
The only way I see religion being involved with Global Warming is that Global Warming is the "religion du jour" of the left.
You inability to get through a sentence without a BDS moment is amusing, though!
RtS:I am glad you find me amu
January 31, 2007 - 21:47 ET by Dave HighRtS:
I am glad you find me amusing. I try to be. Some of our fellow posters find me evil like Stalin. I don’t think anyone has called me Hitler yet, though. I want to say that I would have liked to respond to many of the “response” posts earlier, although my Internet connection has been spasmodic for the last several weeks. I don’t mean to drop a liberal bomb and then walk away, it’s just the way it has been lately; I sign off and then cannot sign on again. Mathew Sheffield has been very helpful in resolving this problem. Hopefully we can correspond, with humor and insight, in the future.
Regards, Dave High
I see Dingleberry Dave is back...
January 31, 2007 - 18:22 ET by Guy Arthur ThomasWell Dingleberry Dave, it appears the more you post your opinions the further you move away from claims of being somewhat moderate. Now that you have joing the Cult of Global Warming and are worshipping the Clown God named Global Warming, it's gonna be next to impossible to claim moderation of any type now. But good luck anyway Dingleberry Dave, we need a few of you around for some mild amusement. Be sure to dust off your old, "Y2K sky is falling" kit.
If you claim to be a conservative, please don't disgrace yourself and conservatism by thinking and arguing like a liberal. Go Rudy!
C'm Dave H....how come Bush i
January 31, 2007 - 19:06 ET by JayTeeC'm Dave H....how come Bush is an IDIOT when he says MORE TROOPS, and can't be Trusted, ....BUT anything BUSH says on Global Climate change is the Word of GOD ? ?
Sounds like an Convenient selection of Truth/Lies, depending not upon your Scientific Eval, but your Political leanings.
What's going to be even more
January 31, 2007 - 19:47 ET by danboWhat's going to be even more fun. I understand Exxon has stated they believe in AGW.
All the years they've vilified Exxon as a demon.
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.” H.L. Mencken
What I'd like to know is wh
February 1, 2007 - 08:07 ET by RowaneWhat I'd like to know is where are all the DhimmicRATs that were calling for more troops just this past summer?
Wow...Now that Bush says it
January 31, 2007 - 19:11 ET by BigBWow...Now that Bush says it, it must be true...??? Good point, just be sure to keep yer hat on it. Typical...
I wish they'd come up with a replacement for fossil fuels tomorrow..for the simple reason that we could let the middle east fight to the death over the last camel turd to eat...And all of you smaKtards could move on to the next crisis du jour.....
Now, this might sting just a little bit.....
Dave, I realize you hate capi
January 31, 2007 - 20:29 ET by UnsaneDave, I realize you hate capitalism even as you greedily suck its tit, and that you clearly hate science because you demand it be dogmatic, with anyone who questions your accepted dogma violently punished and forced into submission. But before we begin destroying the world's most advanced economy because YOU are drowning in guilt, I shall ask the following simple questions:
1) If the Kyoto Protocol addresses a GLOBAL problem called GLOBAL warming, why are China, Mexico, and India, among other countries, exempt from it?
2) Why does the Kyoto Protocol not address, at all the issue of tropical deforestation, which is the cause of 20% of global greenhouse emissions?
3) Why no major Atlantic hurricanes this year?
4) How come the world's highest recorded temperature was recorded in 1922?
5) Why did it snow south and east of San Antonio for Christmas 2004? San Antonio RARELY if EVER gets snow.
6) Why did it snow in Lisbon and New Delhi in the winter of 2005-2006? Why did it snow in Johannesburg in July 2006 during the austral winter?
7) Exit Glacier has been melting since at least 1780. What human activity back then was causing the glacier to melt?
8) Explain the appearance of icebergs in the Chukchi Sea and the Beaufort Sea in the Barrow area at the end of July 2004.
9) If this is THE threat of our time, perhaps you will join me then in having the United States utilize more and more nuclear power? France gets 78.5% of its power from nukes, and they don't even have a place to permanently store their nuclear waste (only the United States and Finland have such facilities). This has been the case for France since they began ramping up their nuclear power program to the present state in 1974. Don't bring up Chernobyl either: sure, that accident released 50 million curies of radiation, but that's what you get in societies where none of the leadership is held to account by the people, as the USSR was operated. TMI released 15 curies of radiation, and because of that, heads rolled and investigations ensued, precisely because the public demanded it.
You say we need to listen to our scientists. I realize you have a very dim view of your own freedom and cannot wait to turn it over to the government to do your thinking for you, and that you likewise cannot wait to turn over your critical thinking skills to scientists who parrot your views, but do you also consider listening to scientists who disagree with the notion of man-made global warming? Or do you question their funding sources while conveniently ignoring the funding sources of the high priests of man-made GW?
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
If only cutting and pasting w
February 1, 2007 - 21:55 ET byIf only cutting and pasting were capable of producing energy.
If only...
February 2, 2007 - 00:49 ET by UnsaneIf only you were capable of independent, critical thinking.
If only you weren't drowning in self-induced (and unnecessary) guilt.
I make no apologies for cutting and pasting questions I am the original author of (I think for myself, unlike you). After all, no Leftist, not even you, can answer them. (No, lying, and resorting to the Xinhua News Agency point of view, do not count as answers.) So, until one can answer them witha modicum of intellectual honesty (guess that disqualifies you, huh?), I will keep posting them.
Damn. I just shattered that dream of yours where you intimidate, threaten, publicly beat, and have shot, everyone who disagrees with you in the slightest, huh? Well, many of your visions need to be shattered over and over again, and ground into dust.
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
Prove that I lied, you cocksu
February 2, 2007 - 11:21 ET byProve that I lied, you cocksucker.
B-Bye Throatwobbler
February 2, 2007 - 11:25 ET by JimboB-By Throatwobbler. I hope you enjoyed your time here at Newsbusters. You serve the liberal cause well. Too bad people will have no idea what I'm talking about after your post is deleted.
Jimbo says - "There is a fine line between freedom of speech and treason"
A site that smears all scient
February 2, 2007 - 11:36 ET byA site that smears all scientists and calls opponents liars? I won't miss it.
Perhaps my coment to Unsane applies to you as well? Defensive?
That's good, because I know
February 2, 2007 - 11:38 ET by Uncle JohnThat's good, because I know at least one person has reported your abuse.
"It isn't that Liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know so much that isn't so." - Ronald Reagan
My comment is just as true as
February 2, 2007 - 11:42 ET byMy comment is just as true as Unsane's. Perhaps more so.
Throatgobbler is Irrelevant
February 2, 2007 - 11:47 ET by JimboYou just don’t get it. Once you start spewing hatred and vulgarities, you’ve lost the debate. The validity of your argument instantly becomes irrelevant. In fact, you are about to become irrelevant!
Jimbo says - "There is a fine line between freedom of speech and treason"
To be clear, I wasn't debatin
February 2, 2007 - 17:49 ET byTo be clear, I wasn't debating Unsane, I was insulting him.
I know Throatgobbler. It is
February 3, 2007 - 05:58 ET by JimboI know Throatgobbler. It isn't possible to to something you are incapable of.
Jimbo says - "There is a fine line between freedom of speech and treason"
"I know Throatgobbler.
February 3, 2007 - 07:48 ET by Uncle John"I know Throatgobbler."
By "throat", don't you mean "knob"?
"It isn't that Liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know so much that isn't so." - Ronald Reagan
Whatever Throatgobbler. You
February 2, 2007 - 11:40 ET by JimboWhatever Throatgobbler. Your immediate reaction to the post with vulgarities proves only that you are incapable of carrying out an intelligent debate and that your point of view is baseless. We won’t miss you either. You can take that to the bank.
Jimbo says - "There is a fine line between freedom of speech and treason"
Damn, where are we to turn to
February 2, 2007 - 11:41 ET by Ruths husband BenDamn, where are we to turn to now for a balanced liberal view? Oh Throatwobbler, where for art thou?