Largely lost in the MSM's focus on Hillary's laugh line in Iowa about her experience in dealing with evil men was something she said that was immeasurably more noteworthy. In one stunning, self-centered swoop, Hillary Clinton has transformed herself into an anti Iraq-war radical. The woman who voted to authorize the war now calls for the US, come hell or high water, to be out of Iraq by the end of President Bush's term. As per this report, here's how she put it in Iowa yesterday:
"I think it's the height of irresponsibility and I really resent it," she said, "this was his decision to go to war, he went with an ill-conceived plan, an incompetently executed strategy, and we should expect him to extricate our country from this before he leaves office."
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Note that Hillary places no qualifiers or conditions on her call for Pres. Bush to "extricate" us from Iraq. No matter how bad the situation might be as we approach the next election - or how promising - Hillary is apparently calling for us to disengage in less than two years. That's the kind of irresponsible radicalism that should bring a smile to the Kosmonaut wing of the Dem party.
Another aspect of Clinton's statement also merits consideration: its stunning solipsism. "I really resent" the president's policy, she informed us. Hillary, it's not about you.
Will the MSM pick up on Hillary's new-found radicalism - and her world-revolves-around-me approach to the issue? The only evidence I saw of it this morning was a report by ABC's Jake Tapper, who on GMA ran a clip of Hillary's statement, noting that Hillary was "using language she's never used before, seeming to take personal offense."
VIDEO UPDATE: Have a look and listen here to Hillary trotting out to an Iowa crowd her well-worn line about how she would never have voted to authorize the war if we knew then what we know now. Is this the tone Hillary's advisers would want her to strike?
Mark was in Iraq in November. Contact him at mark@gunhill.net
—Mark Finkelstein is a NewsBusters contributing editor and host of Right Angle. Contact him at mark@gunhill.net.
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I wonder if she wants us to p
January 29, 2007 - 09:58 ET by Dan The Man 2I wonder if she wants us to pull out of Cuba, Germany, Korea, Japan or any of the other places we have sent men into to wage war and stayed for extended periods?
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark. -- save my gun, shoot a liberal.
No no, not "pull out&quo
January 29, 2007 - 10:56 ET by mattmNo no, not "pull out", it's "extricate"... very important to get the wording correct!
Just like, it's not a tax increase it's a "contribution"....
This is classic Clintonese... the language of spin....
Surender
January 29, 2007 - 10:02 ET by cvgbuckeyeLets just use our imaginations for a moment: NYT headlines this AM: Reports say that there is great dissention among the insurgency in Iraq. The leadership is deserting in heavy numbers. It appears that the insurgency will be laying out terms of surender at any time now. This war may be over soon.
I wonder how this would affect the political environment in this country. Would there be a feeling that we should now give up in Iraq? Would we feel emboldened to not only carry on but to up the ante on our activities even higher? Would there be a sense that we have them by the proverbial shorthairs?
This ain't really rocket science, is it?
That bunch demonstrating in Washington over this past week-end, really did this nation a great service, didn't they? Ah what a bunch of heros and patriots they are.
I wonder if you could quantify the number of American and Iraqi deaths that they are directly responsible for.
I really wish that folks woul
January 29, 2007 - 10:02 ET by BruzillaI really wish that folks would go back to the much heralded days of WWII and read through the MSM reports of the time. During the 1942 mid-term elections, Americans were really upset with the progress of the war and they wanted to send a message to Roosevelt, by electing lots of Republicans to Congress, that they wanted change. And it was pretty well proved that the worst thing a president who has his finger on the pulse of war can do is listen to the rantings of a populace that knows next to nothing. It is fortunate for us that Roosevelt did not heed calls for a negotiated peace that were made by the peaceniks and bereaved familes of the early 1940s, who were certain we couldn't defeat the Axis powers, and instead pressed through to victory.
It is also fortunate that real patriots in the opposition party, like Dewey, opted to not present the enemy with moral support or intelligence in his quest to defeat Roosevelt. He would have easily defeated Roosevelt in 1944 had he been willing to reveal to the American public that Roosevelt had been aware of the pending attack on Pearly Harbor in time to have avoided a lot of casualties, but to do so would have informed the Japanese that we could read their mail, which would have hurt the effort to win the war. Dewey opted for patriotism over political power... sure would be nice if folks like Clinton could do the same.
Dewey opted for patriotism
January 29, 2007 - 10:25 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsDewey opted for patriotism over political power... sure would be nice if folks like Clinton could do the same.
Well, back then our troops were thought of as 'our boys' and came to be called the 'Greatest Generation' by people like Tom Brokaw. Nowadays, Clinton and her ilk call our troops 'murderers' and 'terrorists'.
DSG
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Back then Halsey was consider
January 29, 2007 - 10:50 ET by BruzillaBack then Halsey was considered a murderer for sailing his fleet into a typhoon that resulted in the loss of over 800 men, and Nimitz was considered to be just as bad for not firing him immediately. What's also interesting was that at the time, there was no such thing as "an attack on Pearl Harbor." Instead it was referred to as "the defeat at Pearl Harbor." Many Americans responded to Pearl Harbor in exactly the way that Yamamoto had hoped, that being that there was no way we could win and that we should negotiate a peace that left the Japanese in control of the western Pacific basin. This was your "Greatest Generation" too... but you just don't read much about them.
Which is exactly why Bush is
January 29, 2007 - 10:58 ET by mattmWhich is exactly why Bush is right to forge ahead, despite the naysayers...
I hear she may also want Extr
January 29, 2007 - 10:04 ET by ucI hear she may also want Extreme Home Makeover Show to build a house in two days as well. (Ha!) I think she also wants bread to raise without yeast as well and she wants Niagra falls to start flowing up the falls instead of down. So she is not the old fashioned loyal to the end spouse but the vengeful spouse now lumping her husband in the same category as Saddam Hussein used to live in. Was she also speaking of James Carville and how exactly did she successfully deal with either?
Beyond the substance of h
January 29, 2007 - 10:07 ET by Mark FinkelsteinBeyond the substance of her comments in Iowa of the weekend, the tone is perhaps even more telling. Hillary threatens to "deck" opponents. Hillary "really resents" W's policies.
The picture emerges of an angry, resentful person. Can anyone imagine Barack Obama using either of those expressions? Will Dems want to nominate such an unhappy candidate?
Dumb
January 29, 2007 - 10:24 ET by cvgbuckeyeMark, anybody dumb enough to vote for a dem, is dumb enough to vote for anybody, including Hillary.
The problem is not the dems, they would vote for satan (and I suspect that they have a time or two) if he promised them a free lunch. Its always been that way. The problem is with the spineless swing voters who don't believe in anything but bumper stickers, 6:30 network newspeople and cnn.
Of course there is only one thing worse than those rocket scientist described above and thats the RINOS of the world.
"this was his decision t
January 29, 2007 - 10:20 ET by Prester John"this was his decision to go to war, he went with an ill-conceived plan.........."
1) You voted for it Hillary (along with the French speaking one, the plagiarizer, the Breck Girl, the real estate swindler, Chuckie and 23 other Dem senators)
2) Ill-conceived plan? The coalition took down Hussein's reign of terror in 6 weeks when the "experts" were saying it was going to be Stalingrad all over again. Hardly an ill-conceived plan.
Oh, and since when do we put time limits on wars? Are we now going to call it quits after, say, one year or 1000 KIAs, whichever comes first? Or maybe for the bigger challenges like Iran, 2 years or 2000 KIA?
VRWC
January 29, 2007 - 12:40 ET by Jimbo“You voted for it Hillary”
See Prester, that’s where you are wrong. You obviously haven’t been listening to a word Hillary says. If you were listening, you would know that her vote to go to war wasn’t really a vote to go to war, and the President abused her vote. Since the MSM isn’t challenging her on it, it must be true. Get it straight and stop being a member of the VWRC (vast right wing conspiracy)!
Jimbo says - "There is a fine line between freedom of speech and treason"
Oh, good. Hillary's re-invent
January 29, 2007 - 10:24 ET by Chris NormanOh, good. Hillary's re-inventing herself again. Does she have a new hairstyle to go with it?
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
Guess The Hildebeast doesn't
January 29, 2007 - 10:29 ET by Dave RGuess The Hildebeast doesn't have a plan for Iraq, either.
Good point
January 29, 2007 - 10:45 ET by iveseenitallGood point, Dave. What's Hillary's plan? And if she had one, why didn't she mention it at the time, instead of voting "yes" for the invasion? "Yes" then, "no" when the going gets tough. This woman, as did her husband, will run from the fight the minute she gets the chance. I pray everyday that she and her liberal pals don't manage to win the presidency. America might not be able to survive another Clinton White House.
NEVER,NEVER trust a liberal
Hillary's plan is to try to g
January 29, 2007 - 10:51 ET by aeroHillary's plan is to try to get Bush to end it before (she hopes) she takes office so that she never has to have a plan.
So, she can go back to runnin
January 29, 2007 - 11:04 ET by Chris NormanSo, she can go back to running the country the way her husband did, ignoring national security problems, and letting her more responsible successors deal with any of the accumulation - that is, if there is that luxury, this time.
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
Yep. I'm sure GWB resents the
January 29, 2007 - 11:13 ET by aeroYep. I'm sure GWB resents the heck out of the mess Bill dumped on him by ignoring and avoiding the problems of Islamic fundamentalism and Saddam's defiance all those years, but Bush is too classy to say it.
The President and Condi knew
January 29, 2007 - 13:48 ET by JimboThe President and Condi knew Bin Laden was launching the attack and didn’t do anything to stop it. The Main Stream Media said so.
Jimbo says - "There is a fine line between freedom of speech and treason"
isia,I was really hoping that
January 29, 2007 - 11:58 ET by Dave Risia,
I was really hoping that people in this country had grown weary of the Clinton dog & pony show, but I am beginning to think she may very well become the next POTUS, as there really aren't any other Dims in the running that are strong enough to overcome not just her, but her henchmen in the Clinton War Room.
Dave,I'm afraid you're right.
January 29, 2007 - 12:27 ET by Chris NormanDave,
I'm afraid you're right. There seems to be a depressing inevitability about her becoming president...
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
Man you guys are depressing.
January 29, 2007 - 12:35 ET by Clear thinkerMan you guys are depressing. She may win the nomination of her party, but this in no way means she could take the grand prize. If you continue to talk like losers and spread your attitude to others then we should just quit now.
Shhheeeez guys, toughen up a bit will ya.
ct,I hate playing the party p
January 29, 2007 - 12:52 ET by Chris Normanct,
I hate playing the party pooper, but I stand by my attitude. I will certainly do everything that I can to oppose Nurse Ratched. I just don't see, at this point, a candidate on the Republican side that can stop her juggernaut. I think Rudy Giulliani has star power and may have a chance, but I'm afraid he can't get by Conservatives who oppose his more liberal social views. Also, I'm concerned that our party is so disheartened and adrift, that there isn't the will to stop her. I hope and pray that I'm wrong.
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
Chris...All I can say in resp
January 29, 2007 - 12:57 ET by Clear thinkerChris...
All I can say in response to you is... I too stand by my attitude.
Hillary has a ton of baggage. This alone makes her extremely vulnerable.
ct -So, we're just gonna stan
January 29, 2007 - 13:19 ET by Chris Normanct -
So, we're just gonna stand here next to our attitudes, huh? :) Normally, I would agree with you regardng her vulnerabilities and baggage. In a normal election year, I would say that a moderately strong Republican candidate could beat her by at least five percentage points. I'm afraid, however, that the current GOP line-up, while good men, look like the candidates offered up against her in the NY senatorial elections. This has the bad feel of the 1976 presidential race, where a peanut farmer won. A sign of our weakness is that the RINOs have grabbed the spotlight. I really hope our party will snap out of it, find their backbone and core philosophy, and begin to function again.
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
Chris...You used the word 'ba
January 29, 2007 - 13:33 ET by Clear thinkerChris...
You used the word 'backbone' in your post, so all is forgiven : )
Is "backbone" The S
January 29, 2007 - 13:38 ET by Chris NormanIs "backbone" The Secret Word? Do I win anything? :)
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
Chris...Sure thing... You win
January 29, 2007 - 13:49 ET by Clear thinkerChris...
Sure thing... You win a free years subscription to the Daily Kos (not that you would want it).
; )
Yikes. I'm afraid I must decl
January 29, 2007 - 13:53 ET by Chris NormanEr, could I trade that for a blender?
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
defeatists in our party
January 29, 2007 - 14:20 ET by tumbler_2007Dear Chris:
You're taking fund-raising skills for political skills, i.e., electibility. Hillary is a fund-raiser, not presidential timber. Yes, she'll be going balls out to win; but a couple of basic problems can be noted which are going to be hard for her to overcome.
One, nobody knows if a woman can even win a presidential election. Not even today, and certainly not just because she carpet-bagged it successfully in the Big Apple. It's still obviously arguable the voters of America would offer the presidency to a woman. This is not Israel, where a Golda Meier held power, or India under Indira Gandhi. And those two were extraordinary women, not "b... i... t... c ... h... e... s." There's still a natural reluctance among this country's voting public to do what's never been done before. Call it political custom or inertia. Especially on behalf of one of modern politics most polarizing individuals. Anyway; I'd gamble on that factor.
Second, Hillary is nothing if not a disagreeable woman to vast numbers of Americans. Yes, there's a feminist base out there. But even they remember how indifferent a First Lady she was during her Bubba's political "legacy". Her accomplishments were mostly ridiculous; forcing Madeline Albright and Donna Shalala and Janet Reno on our country. After all the Democrat Party was obsequious toward her; the only reason those feminazis had a career in DC at all. Our voters haven't fogotten those grotesque crones at the side of this arrogant woman. I'd venture she's disliked in countless homes around the U.S.
The fact she's taken her election for granted over many months now, has no relevance except to the usual suspects in Democrat circles. They can't swing her election magically. She'll have to convince all the swing voters.
As for the Right; I'd also gamble there aren't a thousand of them nearly perverse enough to show up at the polls for her, much less come to her support. They'd all much rather die than help her get elected. She certainly has her own fringe that's willing, maybe gay rights buffoons, militant feminists, teacher's unions, et al. But nothing actually numerous in the hundreds of thousands. (Just my opinion, I know.)
Unless things change drastica
January 29, 2007 - 14:36 ET by Chris NormanUnless things change drastically and quickly on the Republican side, you will be making these assertations all the way up to election night - when Hillary is announced the winner. You don't like Rudy - do you actually believe someone like Romney or Brownback can turn out enough people to beat her?
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
there's nothing pointedly impossible
January 29, 2007 - 15:02 ET by tumbler_2007I can't just count heads today and reach any conclusion. But I know what the battleground looks like. We have an almost 50-50 split in our voting public, despite Al Gore once having taken a popular majority. The country is equally divided. This is incontrovertable; the conservative right is adamantly opposed to Hillary. That leaves 50% at most and likely not that many-- having experienced a negative two terms with Bubba, some thousands might jump ship at the mere THOUGHT of seeing him once more esconsed in the White House (Two for the price of One, remember?) Of course we know the Blue states are hers unless she shoots herself in the foot. But WE can take all the RED states, and enough of the swing votes. So, once again it'll be swing voters deciding an election. Newt is better than Romney or Brownie. But who knows? Lots of Americans will turn out, I hope just to vote AGAINST Hillary. There won't be any coronation.
there's nothing pointedly impossible
January 29, 2007 - 15:03 ET by tumbler_2007I can't just count heads today and reach any conclusion. But I know what the battleground looks like. We have an almost 50-50 split in our voting public, despite Al Gore once having taken a popular majority. The country is equally divided. This is incontrovertable; the conservative right is adamantly opposed to Hillary. That leaves 50% at most and likely not that many-- having experienced a negative two terms with Bubba, some thousands might jump ship at the mere THOUGHT of seeing him once more esconsed in the White House (Two for the price of One, remember?) Of course we know the Blue states are hers unless she shoots herself in the foot. But WE can take all the RED states, and enough of the swing votes. Much will depend on events in the Middle East.
So, once again it'll be swing voters deciding an election. Newt is better than Romney or Brownie. But who knows? Lots of Americans will turn out, I hope just to vote AGAINST Hillary. There won't be any coronation.
Ct,Believe me, The Hildebeast
January 29, 2007 - 13:55 ET by Dave RCt,
Believe me, The Hildebeast being president scares the hell out of me, but, barring some unforeseen circumstance, I don’t see how she can lose. Sure, that Barack Hussein Osama Obama guy is being pushed by some elements of the MSM, but let’s face it, the guy doesn’t have a prayer, especially in ’08.
As for the republicans, they are wandering around in a field like a bunch of lost cattle. I had hoped the election loss would have caused them to move back to their base, but it appears that they haven’t the foggiest clue as to why they lost.
Dave - I would add to that on
January 29, 2007 - 13:59 ET by Chris NormanDave - I would add to that only that the congressional Republicans haven't the foggiest clue of who they even are...
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
Chris,Let's hope they get a c
January 29, 2007 - 14:33 ET by Dave RChris,
Let's hope they get a clue, and that right soon. If The Hildebeast does make it in, the only hope we are going to have is republican control of both houses of congress. If the Dims are in control, well, I don't even want to go there.
Dave...Well we have some 18 m
January 29, 2007 - 14:02 ET by Clear thinkerDave...
Well we have some 18 months to turn things around.
Think positive folks, besides, any of the GOP contenders would be better than Hillary!
Ct,I'm hoping it will be Newt
January 29, 2007 - 14:48 ET by Dave RCt,
I'm hoping it will be Newt and Tancredo. Failing that, then I don't know. McCain cannot seem to figure out which party he is in, and Rudy spends a little too much time in left field. This isn't the time to be running no-names against Her Rotten Clintoness.
CT and Dave,Well, we have Sea
January 29, 2007 - 14:54 ET by Chris NormanCT and Dave,
Well, we have Sean Hannity's "Stop Hillary Express" going on right now. If that's all we have, me thinks we're in for some big trouble...
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
Dave...My crystal ball is fuz
January 29, 2007 - 15:01 ET by Clear thinkerDave...
My crystal ball is fuzzy as to who the GOP front runner will be, but I can give you a quick rundown on how I see it.
Rudy has yet to throw his hat in the ring, and he may choose not to. At this point in time he's having trouble attracting big money. If he can't attract the $$$ then he's out.
McCain will only play well with the Republicans that don't pay attention, and some moderates. Too many that do pay attention will not vote for him unless it's a choice beteween him and Hillary in the general election.
Tancredo would be a good choice because more Americans are tuned into his favorite subject...illegals. Plus he can argue to even strident liberals that illegals are taking away from funding some of their favorite programs.
I would love to see Newt as Prez. However, he has alot of baggage for the liberal media to go after.
Romney may be a surprise, but I'm not so sure he could beat Barak or Hillary.
Duncan Hunter would be another good choice!
Unless I've left someone out, I wish we could convince Condi to run.
ct,That's my point. Only Gull
January 29, 2007 - 15:18 ET by Chris Normanct,
That's my point. Only Gulliani has the "star power" to take away some of the "dazzle" of Hillary. I'm not even sure if Secretary Rice can, although I like her. The rest of the pack, while good people (except McCain), just lack the oomph to capture the attention of the electorate - beyond the core Republicans who know and like them. It's too bad this is the way these things go, but it is reality. I just can't think of Republican out there who has the credentials and the talent to seize the "Undecideds" imagination.
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
Chris...I have two suggestion
January 29, 2007 - 15:22 ET by Clear thinkerChris...
I have two suggestions that could help turn it around.
One... stop talking like Hillary is a given.
Two... make sure you get behind the GOP nominee (whomever it is) 110%, and suggest to all your friends that they do the same.
ct,If this is all on me, we a
January 29, 2007 - 15:38 ET by Chris Normanct,
If this is all on me, we are in BIG TROUBLE. Look, I know what you mean and I think you know what my point is. If we are just going to rely on nominating a solid conservative and trust that the better philosophy, and our hope that others see Hillary as we do, will carry the day, we're just whistling past the graveyard. We forget, talking to each other here, that there are others out there who see things differently - and incorrectly. A lot of them aren't crazy Liberals, they just rely on their perceptions, shaped by the MSM, to guide their votes. I'll say it again: Hillary will be the next president unless the Republicans run someone who has the stature to stop her. I sincerely hope you are right and I am wrong.
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
Chris...Ok, but please do me
January 29, 2007 - 15:43 ET by Clear thinkerChris...
Ok, but please do me a small favor... stop using the words 'Hillary' and 'next president' in the same sentence.
ct - OK, after today I will m
January 29, 2007 - 15:52 ET by Chris Normanct - OK, after today I will make sure "will not be the" will separate the other words you mention.:) In trade, I want to see you and others here discontinue the use of the word "never" in regards to her chances. That is just as dangerous as negativity. Deal?
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
Never!
January 29, 2007 - 15:56 ET by Clear thinkerNever!
Then y'all better hope that &
January 29, 2007 - 16:05 ET by Chris NormanThen y'all better hope that "the power of positive thinking" really works...
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
chris is bedazzled?
January 29, 2007 - 15:27 ET by tumbler_2007no, no, no, NO, NO. What is this "dazzle" on Hillary's part? She's just a recognizable politician. With flaws.
Giuliani is hardly a bright face on our GOP horizon. He's altogether zilch about the party paltform far as I can see. Yes, he's shown charisma on ocassion. But will the whole country turn out for him? Don't count on the Pro-Life voters or the NRA or many southern states. At most he'd be harmless as a VP. With just about any of the other Republicans. I don't think he'd accept that.
Tell this to the people who s
January 29, 2007 - 15:47 ET by Chris NormanTell this to the people who support her. You are looking at this with blinders. You dislike her so much (for good reason) you just can't imagine there are people out there who view her differently. We can deny her strengths and exaggerate her weaknesses - at this country's peril. After all, a lot of people here were mocking the Dem's chances - right up until November 8th, 2006.
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
make a distinction
January 29, 2007 - 16:10 ET by tumbler_2007Chris; please distinguish between the people who support her and the country. This is a very polarized voting public. Voters in fact who don't even turn out in very massive numbers. You're right about her militant feminist lobby. She dazzles THEM. But so did Al Gore and John F Kerry. How was W able to win two terms over those dazzled Democrat hordes? By having a huge number of US turn out. That's why I see it as very plausible once again against a woman who never has brought her "dazzle" to bear at all except in New York. It was because largely Jewish liberals in NY have Christianity-phobia.
Among liberal Jews, ANYBODY is preferable to a Republican candidate, Chris. They are a voting bloc that equates us to religious bigots who hate them. Having the merest association with our Religous Right is anathema in New York. The only Republican to have bucked that stigma was Rudy. His reputation was such that they could stomach him, and of course he wasn't in league with Christians.
P.S.
You maintain, " a lot of people here were mocking the Dem's chances - right up until November 8th, 2006." ---- Not moi. I accurately predicted that our GOP's hateful rhetoric against illegal aliens would cost us the minority vote. And I was correct. It was Dick Morris's opinion as well.
We could've won in 2006, by toning down the "Border Fence" cackle. I say this because in a lot of states our loss margin was very narrow. Just a fraction of the hispanic vote would've saved our majority and we didn't cultivate them.
While I do not like the fact
January 29, 2007 - 16:34 ET by Chris NormanWhile I do not like the fact that there are people who support Sen. Clinton, I do not exclude them from being part of this country - or the electorate. As such, I find your request to distinguish between the two things very puzzling. As for the illegal immigration issue, I have decided, after suffering through various long threads, here, on the subject, not to go within a border fence's length of this issue with you.
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
maybe if you try
January 29, 2007 - 19:33 ET by tumbler_2007Chris:
Maybe you ought to understand the COUNTRY is not dazzled; only the media and Democrats are. Therefore your cry of WE'RE IN BIG TROUBLE is a false alarm (to me at least). I never suggested they couldn't vote for whomever they please. So can ALL of us. As for the fence thing; --excellent;
Don't go there. I've told you something undeniable; we gave away the congressional majority to the Democrats. It shouldn't have happened. You claim nobody worried about the Democrats in Nov. 2006. But it was easy to see coming. There isn't much you could say.
Tumbler
January 29, 2007 - 23:56 ET by JimboTumbler - coming from NY, I am behind you 100% on this. She will never play well in the national election. She knows it and the DNC knows it. I've even gone so far as to say that her Democratic nomination isn't even certain. The Democrats want the White House back and know they can't do it with her. They are in a hell of a spot!
Jimbo says - "There is a fine line between freedom of speech and treason"
Jimbo...I agree!It's deliciou
January 30, 2007 - 00:10 ET by bigtimerJimbo...
I agree!
It's delicious is it not watching them try to devour each other at this early stage!
I am sitting back enjoying all of this drama for now!
Chris,I agree that Rudy has t
January 29, 2007 - 17:36 ET by Dave RChris,
I agree that Rudy has the star power to take Hitlary on, but does he have a snowball's chance in hell of getting the nomination?
Hillary's Plan
January 29, 2007 - 12:44 ET by JimboWhat are you talking about? Hillary has a plan. She wants to coerce the President into surrendering so she doesn’t have to. Of course, this plan will then require her to have a plan for dealing with radioactive fallout in New York City, but we’ll cross that bridge when we come to it.
Jimbo says - "There is a fine line between freedom of speech and treason"
Fait accompli? And more faux-tography!
January 29, 2007 - 10:32 ET by Dumb Ox1) How is it Napollary takes Bush's failures so personally? The clear implication is that she doesn't want to be saddled with ANY responsibility for the Middle East once in office.
HILARIOUS: she's ALREADY obsessing about her LEGACY as POTUS!!!
2) I've seen plenty of photos and videos of the anti-war march, and there's nothing like more than a few thousand. FAUX media strikes again!
cf. Dumb Ox Daily News
Well, I resent Hillary and
January 29, 2007 - 10:37 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsWell, I resent Hillary and I'm calling for Hillary to extricate herself from politics right now and to leave the country before the next election.
DSG
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Finish up with with your unpo
January 29, 2007 - 11:07 ET by RackieFinish up with with your unpopular war, damn you George Bush, but leave nationalizing health care to me.
Why did we deserve having he
January 29, 2007 - 11:07 ET by Chris NormanWhy did we deserve having her foisted on our country?
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
Hillary
January 29, 2007 - 11:07 ET by Mulligan22So if she wants us out of Iraq by 2008, what's her plan to do it? What's her plan for the aftermath of leaving prematurely?
Since the MSM made a big deal out of GWB's lack of military experience, what shall they say say about Hillary's lack as well?
If whining were wisdom, Washington would be the smartest place on Earth.
What shall they say about Hil
January 29, 2007 - 11:14 ET by Prester JohnWhat shall they say about Hillary's lack of military service? Absolutely nothing of course. She's a woman, a mother, and a betrayed wife. What more could we possibly ask of a potential Commander in Chief?
Pshaw. Plans are for sissies.
January 29, 2007 - 11:19 ET by aeroPshaw. Plans are for sissies.
Mull - how dare you even ask
January 29, 2007 - 11:22 ET by Chris NormanMull - how dare you even ask that (good point)? You are showing your typical male chauinism - that women are too frail to deal in matters military. This, I'm sure, is the way Ms. Clinton would duck that point - like she does so many others (how dare you question my patriotism, etc.?).
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
can this country survive 4 le
January 29, 2007 - 11:08 ET by buddyccan this country survive 4 let alone 8 years of such a divisive person. i would love a woman to be president. woman have a great deal to contribute to politics. but does the woman have to be someone like this. we need a uniter, someone with positive views. we need someone with can lift us to a better america. we need someone who can get 10% of the middle. 48-49% of this country has seen her, don't like her and will go to their graves disliking her. she is the candidate of the liberal elite and they are trying to shove her down our throats. i for one am gaging on it.
"women have a great deal
January 29, 2007 - 11:35 ET by Rackie"women have a great deal to contribute to politics." really? name a few contibutions women have made to politics. Serveral? Okay, name just one.
If you're willing to expand
January 29, 2007 - 11:47 ET by Mark FinkelsteinIf you're willing to expand the question to the UK, Margaret Thatcher made huge contributions.
Easy, and I don't even need
January 29, 2007 - 11:52 ET by sarcasmoEasy, and I don't even need foreigners. Tonie Nathan was the first female VP candidate in US history to receive an electoral-college vote, and that factoid has won me a number of well-deserved beers from Democrats & Republicans alike, due to antiLibertarian mediabias keeping them all predictably-ignorant when it comes to the accomplishments of Libertarian females. So there.
JMR
Sarc - yikes, that's pretty
January 29, 2007 - 12:01 ET by Chris NormanSarc - yikes, that's pretty esoteric.
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
A free beer's a free beer,
January 29, 2007 - 15:56 ET by sarcasmoA free beer's a free beer, and a bet on antiLibertarian bias has, in my experiences, been about like getting dealt AA in hold'em... I don't want to fold 'em when the odds are that-good on my side. Besides, the only reason it's "esoteric" is that it's the kind of invisible media bias that's been my thesis around NB for a while. Hell, if Tonie had been a Green VP-candidate instead, do you really think the feminist left & the media would have given her obvious-first achievment the kind of silent-treatment which forces people to learn it at the cost of a beer (sometimes) from the likes of me?? (If so, then you're dumb-enough that we really NEED to play some poker!) :)
JMR
sarc - not denying the reason
January 29, 2007 - 16:20 ET by Chris Normansarc - not denying the reason it's esoteric just asserting the fact that it is.
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
Very well then (no poker fo
January 29, 2007 - 16:28 ET by sarcasmoVery well then (no poker for you!). And now everyone can win free beers, but anyone who wins one with "my" Tonie Nathan trick should consider eventually buying me a beer! :)
JMR
sarc,If our paths ever cross,
January 29, 2007 - 16:52 ET by Chris Normansarc,
If our paths ever cross, I'll buy you any beer you like.
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
Newt Gingrich said he might e
January 29, 2007 - 11:10 ET by aeroNewt Gingrich said he might enter the presidential race just for the pleasure of debating Hillary. He said he knows the "left could not survive in an open and honest dialogue" about the issues. Newt makes me smile.
Stuff like what she said in Iowa proves Newt's right about her--she could not survive open and honest (and unscripted) dialogue with him. I would *love* to see her try! I hope Newt runs, I hope Newt runs, I hope Newt runs!
I'm relatively new at this,
January 29, 2007 - 13:32 ET by DyneI'm relatively new at this, but I could see a dialogue between them including (and ending with) these lines:
Gingrich: Senator Clinton, if elected President, what plans do you have for a resolution in Iraq and heightening national security?
Clinton: I never thought about anything like that before. But with my national healthcare plan-
Gingrich: That's not what the question is about, Senator.
Clinton: But it's too hard! It hurts my brain to think about things like that.
Gingrich: Accepting the responsibility of the executive office of this country is a hard job.
Clinton: (Insert expletive here) you! *She decks him and the MSM makes the claim that Gingrich deserved it.*
"I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is to try to please everyone."
- Bill Cosby
Dyne...Well done!
January 29, 2007 - 13:37 ET by Clear thinkerDyne...
Well done!
"Well, Cuba has a nation
January 29, 2007 - 15:29 ET by kathleenirish"Well, Cuba has a national health care system, maybe we should adopt what Castro has done..", right, Hil Rod Commie?
"He who has a thousand friends has not a friend to spare, and he who has one enemy will meet him everywhere" -Ali ibn-Abi-Talib, 4th Islamic Caliph
excellent points, aero
January 29, 2007 - 15:13 ET by tumbler_2007Just picture a Gingrich--Giuliani ticket. I see Newt running a very tight fiscally conservative gov't-- and Rudy might attract a lot of the liberal vote away from Hillary's Blue states. Nothing but a big showing, IMHO Super Tuesday night! I'm not cheered by a Rudy Giuliani presidency. But as VP, he'd give us a necessary boost without turning off the Religous Right too seriously.
Her response is laughable, in
January 29, 2007 - 11:13 ET by I am conservativeHer response is laughable, in the liberals little world of peace and harmony they actually believe this war with radical islam is somehow Bush's fault. They still cannot admit that this is a long-term deal here. She hopes this thing is completed prior to her winning the white house so she can get back to the real business of the liberal party - promoting socialism and homosexualtiy. That's what it's all about folks.
May God Bless us and not let that idiot win the white house.
Resentful Hillary
January 29, 2007 - 11:14 ET by CellaAs bad as the message she tried to deliver, was the delivery itself.
That shrill, strident voice. I can't take it for two more years!
Try to imagine a SOTU with that vocality echoing through the chamber.
A nails-on-chalkboard toxic stew.
Whenever she gets shrill and
January 29, 2007 - 11:36 ET by Chris NormanWhenever she gets shrill and strident, you know she's covering up something or trying to plaster over a weakness...
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
An old saw…Lead, follow or
January 29, 2007 - 11:14 ET by JPR1An old saw…Lead, follow or get the hell out of the way!
No ideas or plans to lead on.
Certainly not willing to follow.
Will you gutless wonders just stand aside?
"Get out of Iraq now&quo
January 29, 2007 - 11:39 ET