Interviewing former White House Chiefs of Staff Andy Card and Leon Panetta during MSNBC's 1 PM ET hour today, Norah O'Donnell asked each whether VP Cheney could "survive" the Scooter Libby trial. For the record, Andy Card said he saw no reason to think Vice-President Cheney wouldn't serve out his full term, and Panetta chose to simply second Card's notion.
Though O'Donnell was presumably speaking figuratively, her choice of terms was unfortunate, to say the least.
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I don't see that as a comment
January 23, 2007 - 13:54 ET by mattmI don't see that as a comment on his health, which is no longer an issue since the Bush/Cheney ticket will not be running again. This is just another typical example of liberals in the media acting as judge, jury and executioner, in their own anti-GOP inquisition.
As I wrote, I didn't see it a
January 23, 2007 - 14:01 ET by Mark FinkelsteinAs I wrote, I didn't see it as an intentional reference to VP Cheney's health, either. But Norah could have found a better term when speaking figuratively of someone with the VP's health history.
I agree that it's more Nora
January 23, 2007 - 14:02 ET by sarcasmoI agree that it's more Norahbias, of course, but I must admit my mind immediately leapt to his questionable ticker. Think about it...Nancy's second in line behind the president pro tempore of the Senate...Which is ultraporker Robert Byrd (someone's probably going to mention the KKK now, but I'd despise this porker just for his spending and entirely without the racism factor!) Anyway, are you sure you really want to say Cheney's heart is not an issue?
JMR
liberal
January 23, 2007 - 13:54 ET by iveseenitallHow "sensitive" Norah. Just like a liberal, your mouth is way ahead of your brain. On top of that, to suggest that this Plame thing is even a "story" anymore demonstrates your ignorance. Ask about something else at your next coctail party, you airhead.
NEVER,NEVER trust a liberal
Mark - What antacids do you u
January 23, 2007 - 13:56 ET by FastEdMark - What antacids do you use? How can you actually stay sane while watching something like msnbc, and then have strength to report factually?
What might happen, or how will it be spun, when nothing comes out of the Libby trial?
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad
In all seriousness, since beg
January 23, 2007 - 14:02 ET by Mark FinkelsteinIn all seriousness, since beginning these reports a few years ago, I've been diagnosed with acid reflux and now pop a daily Prilosec!
Try drinking wine, smoking go
January 23, 2007 - 14:12 ET by sarcasmoTry drinking wine, smoking good cigars, and (if you're lucky in a few months and have them around) watching purple martins work/play/fight/sing/etc., Mark. That always totally destresses me. BTW, that Prilosec stuff can't be a cheap habit (not that my wine & cigars are cheap!) because I've seen a hell of a lot of their commercials, which, come to think of it, do seem to be clustered mainly in media news programs, as if that's where they'd find customers... Coincidence? ;)
JMR
Cigars make me dizzy, but I
January 23, 2007 - 14:23 ET by Mark FinkelsteinCigars make me dizzy, but I'm with you on the wine. No purple martins in upstate NY as far as I know, but I have my own bird, Tukki, a peach-faced lovebird, and he is a truly wonderful little companion - when he's not driving me nuts!
Oh, they're going to be aro
January 23, 2007 - 14:34 ET by sarcasmoOh, they're going to be around, look in rural areas and around water (or on purplemartin.org for a landlord) around April 15th. They're really amazing birds to fly all the way to Brazil & back every year, here in FL we get the lazy/sane ones. They should arrive any day for us.
JMR
Prilosec
January 23, 2007 - 16:17 ET by Dave RMark,
If you keep watching that stuff you are going to wind up taking Prozac along with that Prilosec. I know I would be.
Good line! But seriously, the
January 23, 2007 - 16:23 ET by Mark FinkelsteinGood line! But seriously, the opportunity to express myself here is more therapeutic than any mere pill could be!
The galling thing is these re
January 23, 2007 - 14:00 ET by Chris NormanThe galling thing is these reporters, like O'Donnell, survive, year after year, despite their biased questions, their inaccurate and biased predictions, and their flawed and biased "analysis". Not surprising, just galling...
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
Gonna get REALLY ugly
January 23, 2007 - 14:51 ET by waka wakaLibby's defense is that the White House threw him under the bus to protect the real leaker, Karl Rove. Either way you cut it, this is bad. For you guys, that is. Me? I've got my popcorn out.
Reality has a well known liberal bias.
"to protect the real l
January 23, 2007 - 15:01 ET by Jack Bauer"to protect the real leaker, Karl Rove."
You really need to read the news. Seriously.
Richard Armitage has already confirmed that he was the first government official to mention Valerie Plame's name in relation to her meterosexual husband
Armitage told Bob Woodward. A fact Woodward has also confirmed, I believe.
Proud member of the all-powerful and vast militarist/industrialist/capitalist/zionist-bagelist complex
Jack, even though you got me
January 23, 2007 - 15:08 ET by PeskyDaneJack, even though you got me by 4 minutes, I had no way of knowing that, so we still have to touch our noses and spin around three times together.
Jack - a bit of splitting hai
January 23, 2007 - 15:13 ET by PeskyDaneJack - a bit of splitting hairs, here - but did Armitage tell Woodward originally, or did he divulge to Woodward that he spoke to Novak?
"Richard Armitage has
January 23, 2007 - 15:16 ET by ckc1227"Richard Armitage has already confirmed that he was the first government official to mention Valerie Plame's name in relation to her meterosexual husband"
In opening arguments today, Fitzgerald basically said Cheney was the leaker. If so, why hasn't Cheney been charged? Since leaking Plame's name wasn't a crime to begin with, why was there even an investigation? Inquiring minds want to know....
Liberalism is the philosophy of the stupid.
You're just being funny, righ
January 23, 2007 - 15:05 ET by PeskyDaneYou're just being funny, right? Richard Armitage has already said he was the one who spoke to Robert Novak.
Are we going to go through this again? You know there was no real "leak," right?
wacky wacky
January 23, 2007 - 15:12 ET by Dave RHey, wow duuuuuude, you wanna pass that joint over my way when you' er done there duuuuuuude?
Hmm........ waka-waka. You know, I ...................uhh, never mind.
Besides, Mark isn't in a good mood today, and I haven't had anywhere near enough water pass beneath my bridge around here to tangle with him, so I'll just leave that one alone.........for now. :-^)
Sounds to me like Norah here
January 23, 2007 - 14:55 ET by Dave RSounds to me like Norah here is engaging in a little "wishfull thinking."
Dave,You sure that isn't &quo
January 23, 2007 - 16:34 ET by Chris NormanDave,
You sure that isn't "O'Wishfull thinking"? :)
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
Can Norah 'Survive' Libby Trial?
January 23, 2007 - 15:03 ET by Clear thinkerCan Norah 'Survive' Libby Trial?
Liberals...silly people!
same old MSM lies/omissions/distortions...and hate
January 23, 2007 - 15:03 ET by Dr. Ronand, some exculpatory info?? The MSM mythology about Valerie Plame, Joe Wilson, "Scooter" Libby, to wit... "Scooter" Libby is on trial for leaking the name of a secret CIA agent (as revenge for Joe Wilson's false report on yellowcake uranium). The fact is that Libby is not charged with outing Plame, he is charged with perjury and obstruction and that charge comes down to nothing more than the fact that Mr. Libby's memory of conversations with three different reporter, at different times, differs from that of the reporters themselves. Here's how the judge in the case, Reggie B. Walton, summarized it in a recent ruling on evidence: "The charges against the defendant are based entirely upon what the defendant has said was discussed during his conversations with these news reporters." Plame's husband, Joe Wilson: In July 2003, when Wilson demanded an investigation of a White House cabal for violating the Intelligence Identities Protection Act by "outing" his wife, he knew Ms. Plame did not meet the factual requirements for covert status under the act. She was neither covert at the time of publication nor had a covert foreign assignment within five years. However, she did write a memo pushing her husband as the one to make the trip and investigate the yellowcake rumor; a fact that has been established by a Senate investigation. In fact, Mr. Wilson's original claims that Mr. Bush lied about Iraq intelligence have been discredited many times over, including the aforementioned bipartisan report from the Senate Intelligence Committee. He first denied that the CIA had anything to do with selecting him for the Niger mission and later claimed that he had exposed a forgery that wasn't disclosed until after he returned. The bipartisan Senate Select Intelligence Committee's report said : Plame “offered up” the services of her husband. She believed that intelligence surrounding Niger and yellowcake was bogus—she called it a “crazy report”—making it highly likely that her husband went there looking to confirm that conclusion. And, the bipartisan conclusion of the committee was that Wilson's findings, if anything, served to support the belief that Saddam was actively seeking uranium for a nuclear program. Wilson's testimony to the Senate committee: He said that he concluded the Niger intelligence was based on documents that had clearly been forged because “the dates were wrong and the names were wrong.” Committee staff asked how the former ambassador could have come to the conclusion that the ‘dates were wrong and the names were wrong’ when he had never seen the CIA reports and had no knowledge of what names and dates were in the reports,” Wilson told the panel he may have been confused and may have “misspoken” to reporters. The documents—purported sales agreements between Niger and Iraq—were not in U.S. hands until eight months after Wilson made his trip to Niger. Wilson recently asked a federal judge not to force him to testify in the CIA supposed leak case and accused former White House aide I. Lewis 'Scooter' Libby of trying to harass him on the witness stand. According to an Associated Press report from Washington, Wilson's attorneys wrote : "Mr. Libby should not be permitted to compel Mr. Wilson's testimony at trial either for the purpose of harassing Mr. Wilson or to gain an advantage in the civil case," Any doubts about why Wilson does not want to be put under oath? Please re-read the paragraph above and remember this... Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald informed Mr. Rove's lawyers he'll bring no charges as part of his investigation into who leaked the CIA identity of Mr. Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame. Fitzgerald knew from the very first day of his appointment in December 2003 that neither Mr. Libby nor the Vice President's office had orchestrated the leak of Valerie Plame's name to columnist Robert Novak. Fitzgerald knew--based on earlier FBI interviews--that the real leaker was Richard Armitage, the No. 2 man at the State Department and if anything a policy rival of Mr. Libby's inside the Bush Administration. The original theory of the case--that the leak was a political vendetta against Ms. Plame's husband, Joe Wilson--was thus demonstrably false from the start of his probe. The "crime," in short, had been solved. But, the Special Investigator ignored and still ignores the facts. Mr. Fitzgerald has persisted for three long years. Ever wonder why? First, only six weeks into his investigation, he sought and received an expansion of his authority in order to go after a senior administration official--Mr. Libby--who he knew had had nothing to do with the leak he was investigating. Why? Well, Fitzgerald and Libby had crossed legal paths before. Before he joined the Bush Administration, Mr. Libby had, for a number of years in the 1980s and 1990s, been a lawyer for Marc Rich. Mr. Rich is the oil trader and financier who fled to Switzerland in 1983, just ahead of his indictment for tax-evasion by the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York. Bill Clinton pardoned Mr. Rich in 2001, and so the feds never did get their man. The pardon so infuriated Justice lawyers who had worked on the case that the Southern District promptly launched an investigation into whether the pardon had been "proper." Two of the prosecutors who worked on the Rich case over the years were none other than Mr. Fitzgerald and James Comey, who while Deputy Attorney General appointed Mr. Fitzgerald to investigate the Plame leak. Mr. Fitzgerald worked in the Southern District for five years starting in 1988, at the same time that Mr. Libby was developing a legal theory of Mr. Rich's innocence in a bid to get the charges dropped. This was all long ago. But Mr. Libby and Mr. Comey tangled more recently as well. In 2004, as Mr. Fitzgerald was gearing up his investigation, Mr. Libby was the Administration's point man in trying to get Justice to sign off on the NSA wiretapping program. In early 2004, Mr. Comey was acting Attorney General while John Ashcroft recovered from gall bladder surgery, and Mr. Comey reportedly refused to give the NSA program the green light, prompting the White House to seek out Mr. Ashcroft in the hospital in a bid to circumvent Mr. Comey.These inconvenient facts!
What confused me about the wh
January 23, 2007 - 16:03 ET by BruzillaWhat confused me about the whole Wilson/Plame case is that it seemed to me that at first nobody lied. There were two reports that were received. The first came from British Intelligence, and indicated that Iraqi agents had travelled to Niger to look into obtaining the yellowcake. To the best of my knowledge this has turned out to be true, and this is the report that Bush referenced in the SOTU address when he says "Iraqi agents sought...". The second report was received from French Intelligence, and was based on information obtained from a known miscreant, and indicated that Iraqi agents had actually obtained yellowcake from Niger. It was the possibility that Iraq had actually acquired the yellowcake that compelled Valerie Plaime and her department to send Wilson to Niger to investigate. He found that the claim was false, but also stated when asked about the British claim that he had found nothing that disproved that claim.
Then in between the Bush bashing, and drive for fame, and getting attention for anti-war efforts, these two distinctively different situations got melded into the mess that we have today... to the point that the Administration and Wilson often refer to them as one report.
I saw this segment this morni
January 23, 2007 - 15:33 ET by bigtimerI saw this segment this morning while breathlessly watching their clock tick away in the lower right hand corner waiting for their hopeful dissection and destruction of the President before he even gives the speech tonight...
Norah tried her best with question after question to all but get Cheney to the gallows...chortling and cackling with that insessant Hillary sound alike laugh of hers....it was all pitiful really besides the obviousness of where she was going with this....at least she is doing what she is getting paid for besides being a pretty face...setting this up for Matthews and his side-kick in crime Shyster...er...Shuster....later this afternoon and evening...
Oh the disgrace of these critters....msnbc...an arm of the leftist party world-wide.
"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under." Ronald Reagan
When Libby wins this round in
January 23, 2007 - 15:36 ET by Clear thinkerWhen Libby wins this round in court, I pray that Fox news runs with the announcement for about 3 weeks in a row!
Ct...You and me both.Btw...I
January 23, 2007 - 16:07 ET by bigtimerCt...
You and me both.
Btw...I hope there will be a law-suit brought by Libby against Wilson/Plame...too bad they cannot throw in Fitzgerald too...he has not brought charges against the leaking of the name of a covert agent...that is what he was supposed to do.
She wasn't covert.
Armitage admitted he was the one who leaked it, Fitzgerald knew it a week after he took this case, this whole thing is a political farce and Fitzgerald's 15 minutes of fame and Lord knows what else he is hoping for in his career....SC Judge...who knows, the whole thing is outrageous.
"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under." Ronald Reagan
bt...If he does sue, I hope h
January 23, 2007 - 16:12 ET by Clear thinkerbt...
If he does sue, I hope he gets their car and does a photo shoot with he and his wife in the car and it's printed on the frontpage of Time magazine (he could even throw in a middle finger while holding the steering wheel).
Ct... You have me laughing so
January 23, 2007 - 16:18 ET by bigtimerCt...
You have me laughing so hard I have to exit for a second!
Perfect picture you present there good buddy!
"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under." Ronald Reagan
O'Donnell: Do you think Chene
January 23, 2007 - 15:55 ET by BruzillaO'Donnell: Do you think Cheney can survive the Libby trial?
Answer: "Well, he's survived being Secretary of Defense during a war, running major companies, being VP during the deadliest terrorist attack on the US in history and during five years of war... so I guess there's no chance in Hell that he won't survive the kangaroo court trial of an aide. Now go make yourself useful and get me a cup of coffee because you're worthless as a reporter."
Norah
January 23, 2007 - 16:21 ET by BBallleaperWhen you're hired for your beauty and NOT your brains, you get a Chatty Norah Doll. Do you think Hillary will survive WhitewaterGate, TravelGate, FuturesGate, HealthcareGate, FosterGate, Rose Billing RecordsGate, Webb HubbellGate, Ron BrownGate, MonicaGate, JuanitaGate, FlowersGate????????Need I go on????????????? You never heard those questions from Chatty Norah!