After seeing the Washington Post's "Universal Health Coverage Attracts New Support; Onetime Foes Become Unlikely Advocates, Citing Rising Costs and Tougher Access" by Christopher Lee in Monday's Washington Post, I asked the National Center for Public Policy Research's health care guru, David Hogberg, to critique the Post's story for publication.
Here's part of what David wrote:
In a very poorly written article in the Washington Post, reporter Christopher Lee seems to find it remarkable that a lot of the health insurance groups that opposed Hillary Clinton-Care back in the early 1990s are now on board with a number of the new efforts at health insurance reform (and I use that last term loosely).
Lee notes:
Many are not willing to wait. Karen Ignagni, president of America's Health Insurance Plans -- the same industry association that once funded the "Harry and Louise" ads -- was among representatives of 16 business, medical and consumer groups that last week called for Congress to spend $45 billion over five years to extend health coverage to most of the nation's uninsured children. After that, the groups said, lawmakers should direct billions more toward covering uninsured adults, mostly through a mixture of tax breaks and expanded federal programs.
What Lee fails to report is that the left-wing group Families USA is the one organizing the 16 groups calling for more spending. Dubbed the Health Coverage Coalition for the Uninsured (HCCU), its members include insurance heavyweights like America's Health Insurance Plans (AHIP), Blue Cross Blue Shield Association, Kaiser Permanente and United Health Group. Apparently Lee is at a loss to explain why these groups are getting on board, so he simply goes on to describe various new health insurance proposals, such as those of Senator Ron Wyden (D-OR) and Governors Arnold Schwarzenegger (R-CA) and Ed Rendell (D-PA).
Perhaps Lee should read Tim Carney's book, The Big Ripoff, where Carney chronicles why big business loves big government. One reason is that big business often gets loads of subsidies from big government, and that would surely be the case with these new health insurance proposals. Wyden's, Schwarzenegger's and Rendell's proposals are much like the Governor Romney's plan that ultimately prevailed in Massachusetts in that they provide subsidies for people to buy health insurance. That, of course, means lots of new business for Blue Cross Blue Shield Association, Kaiser Permanente, United Health Group and other health insurance companies that are members of AHIP. Wyden's, Schwarzenegger's and Rendell's proposals also mirror Romney's in that they have an "individual mandate" -- that is, they force people to buy health insurance. Well, if everyone has to purchase health insurance, that means even more business for big insurance companies.
These health insurance companies opposed Hillary Clinton-Care because it threatened their existence. The reason they embrace more recent proposals is because they are a potential boon for their bottom lines.
It is not surprising that big health insurance would line up so eagerly to suckle from the government teat. Thanks to government policy, they are already one of the most coddled industries in the U.S., leading health insurance companies to be, as a friend of mine puts it, "big, dumb and slow." Government tax policy ensures that insurance companies only have to compete for the business of a few million employers instead of many million more employees. Federal and state laws prevent people from purchasing health insurance out-of-state, thereby further insulating big health insurance companies from competition. Indeed, when Congress tries to let people buy insurance out-of-state, it is big health insurance that opposes it.
There are a lot of innovative ideas that could make health insurance less costly. Professor Regina Herzlinger notes that in Switzerland, which has a very competitive health insurance market, there are policies that give people back some of their money. A consumer signs signs up for a five or ten-year policy, and when he signs up, he has his health measured by the health insurance company. Based on his health status, the company and the consumer decide on certain five-year goals for that consumer's health. If the consumer meets those goals at the end of five or ten years, he gets back a percentage of the money he paid in premiums.
Writing for Consumers for Health Care Choices, Dr. James Pendleton offers another innovative idea. Called "Market Driven Insurance," it entails bringing some competition to catastrophic costs. Under Pendleton's proposal, a person who needs non-emergency catastrophic care, say bypass surgery or cancer treatment, would be given a list of places where he could receive the treatment, the price of treatment at each of those places and the average price of the treatment. If he chose a place that was less than the average price, he would receive a percentage of difference between the price of the treatment and the average price. If he chose a place that cost more than the average price, he would have to pay an additional charge.
No one in the health insurance industry is, to my knowledge, at present pursuing these innovative ideas. Why? Because government policy protects Big insurance from the competition that leads to such innovation. Health insurance companies are, as my friend said, "big, dumb and slow."
Look at the insurance markets -- like auto insurance -- where government policy does not protect carriers from competition. The innovation is relentless. Progressive Insurance lets people use its website to compare prices of many difference auto insurance companies. It also provides a "concierge" service if you are in an accident. AllState Insurance now offers "accident forgiveness" and a deductible that goes lower the longer one has no accident. Lesson: fierce competition leads to innovation.
Unfortunately, neither Wyden's, Schwarzenegger's, Rendell's nor Romney's plans do anything to increase competition. Indeed, they do exactly the opposite by guaranteeing big health insurance companies new streams of revenue. They will only make those companies bigger, dumber and slower.
Something David did not note, but which I believe is significant, is that Hillary Clinton's "Clinton Care" plan from her husband's first term was not primarily defeated by the Harry and Louise ads.
Christopher Lee begins his piece with:
Harry and Louise have had a change of heart.
Thirteen years after television ads from the insurance industry featuring the fictional middle-class couple helped kill the Clinton health care plan and make universal coverage politically radioactive, comprehensive proposals for expanding coverage to millions of uninsured Americans are flowering again inside the Beltway and around the country...
Lee is technically correct when he writes that the ads "helped" defeat Hillary Clinton's version of universal care, but the massive grassroots revolt against Mrs. Clinton's plan was a much bigger "help." I also believe Lee errs in attempting to equate Mrs. Clinton's circa 1993-94 version of "universal coverage" with current "comprehensive proposals for expanding coverage to millions of uninsured Americans" through sleight of hand. The proposals under consideration today are nothing like Mrs. Clinton's late and unlamented plan. Even Senator Ted Kennedy's "Medicare-for-All" plan, which would force every American into Medicare (never mind that Medicare already is insolvent) differs markedly from what Mrs. Clinton tried to impose upon the American people thirteen years ago.
"Universal" health care is radioactive not because actors playing "Harry" and "Louise" sat on a sofa and fretted about Mrs. Clinton's plan, but because single-payer medicine inevitably leads to shortages, suffering and death. To say that "universal" coverage is opposed because of the insurance industry's Harry and Louise ads and not because Americans fear the long lines for cancer treatments and heart procedures their Canadian and British friends endure may make for a nice irony in opening paragraphs, but this meme misses, as David notes, a large portion of the story.















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Excellent work. It will nev
January 23, 2007 - 04:14 ET by UnsaneExcellent work. It will never cease to amaze me how some people truly believe the laws of economics apply to everything EXCEPT health care. Health care is NOT a birthright. Nor should the government steal from me and other citizens to pay for the health insurance of others.
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
No one in the health insuranc
January 23, 2007 - 04:40 ET by bigtimerNo one in the health insurance industry is, to my knowledge, at present pursuing these innovative ideas. Why? Because government policy protects Big insurance from the competition that leads to such innovation. Health insurance companies are, as my friend said, "big, dumb and slow."
Amy great piece of work...the insurance and the govt. involvement in it is growing and expanding so much now without anyone really understanding but knowing that it is getting more expensive and unrealistic for protection for one self....many Americans now in a generation grown now have heard all their own lives that it is their birth right to have health care by the govt. from cradle to grave without realizing that they the tax payers are the ones paying for it...I find Blue Cross/Blue Shield incomprehensible and outrageous in my own experience personally and with other family members...something has to be done...it has to be.
I highlighted in bold what I think is the biggest stumbling block and I thank you for this great piece of work.
This boondoggle not going to go away....it is costing the businesses big and small, it has made Co's and the demands from Unions leave our shores and build businesses over seas....we have to do something...in the meanwhile the Ins. Co. are getting fat wealthy and hoping we get none the wiser.
Competition would help...I think, but it is much larger in the long run, not as simple as that if they all stay within prices that make them healthy wealthy and wise...
Ahhh...time will tell, at the expense of others and their lives.
Unfortunately.
"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under." Ronald Reagan
"Unfortunately, neithe
January 23, 2007 - 04:58 ET by sarcasmo"Unfortunately, neither Wyden's, Schwarzenegger's, Rendell's nor Romney's plans do anything to increase competition. Indeed, they do exactly the opposite by guaranteeing big health insurance companies new streams of revenue. They will only make those companies bigger, dumber and slower."
Wow...It's a pity that no pro-free-markets actual DOCTOR with over a decade of legislative experience continually voting for smaller government -- even when it's politically-incorrect -- is running. After all, if anyone like that is actually considering a run, the biased news media's sure as hell keeping it a big-ass top-secret. Oh, wait a second...
JMR
sarc...Okay I have been up al
January 23, 2007 - 05:14 ET by bigtimersarc...
Okay I have been up all night, have mercy on me...all I can think of at the moment is Coburn of Ok. whom I admire, he has really shook that place up from the beginning, but I know you are talking about running for Prez now...so please let me in on it.
..."If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under." Ronald Reagan
Think "top secret cand
January 23, 2007 - 05:19 ET by sarcasmoThink "top secret candidate sarc says the news media provably (see my proof in other comments, if not in your own response above!) does not want you to even-think about," I think you'll get it.
JMR
In this up coming election...
January 23, 2007 - 05:52 ET by bigtimerIn this up coming election...you think? Really? Hmmmmm...could be great!
Media has already run him through the mill in every way shape and form.
He ruffled sooo many feathers in the Senate that it was priceless if you watched it for the years and years I have....but by gum he stayed steady and firm and made his way all by his lonesome and determination, he was right, and he was not going to shut up like they were used to newbies doing and he could care less what appointment or committee he would be assigned to...the Judicial one was the best to me, it would take too long to explain but I have nothing but admiration for the guts and fortitude of the guy, he sure pissed off Spector and Leahy and was correct....I know where I speak of I have called his office on this particular subject and thanked him and them informed them of some of the false claims here pertaining to the subject I am referring to ....oh well, I hope you are right.
This country could not be so lucky.
That is if I guessed right....
LOL!
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Geesh sarc sent I posted this I went to to other posts and I guess you are talking about Ron Paul...no way man. He is a big UN lover...I will never forget that...ever.His statement on the House floor about a year or better now made me ill, he used to be one of my fav's over the years he slowly chipped away at that in the House with his own words, because I watch the House and Senate, I respect your point of view, I admire you that is for sure, you have your determination...but Ron Paul no way. Coburn anyday...I think that is, unless he turns out to be as disappointing as Ron Paul was to me after thinking he was the cats meow for years and years.
Just my opinion, hope we remain friends...that's for sure.
"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under." Ronald Reagan
Huh? At least when he ran f
January 23, 2007 - 06:12 ET by sarcasmoHuh? At least when he ran for Prez as a Libertarian, he wanted us OUT of the UN. I'm not as concerned with the UN (a fact of life -- Bush sure as hell ain't against it or he wouldn't go speak there!) or abortion (likewise a fact of life -- but BTW Dr. Paul upset many pro-choice Libertarians on the issue). I'm mainly concerned with spending. On that forgotten issue, Dr. Paul's damn hard to beat. But again, whether he is a good guy or a bad guy and hard to beat or easy to beat is as irrelevant as whether or not you, individually, like him. The point here is that I've busted antilibertarian mediabias, and that mediabias is evident in the fact that you had to learn about Dr. Paul's Presidential exploratory bid from a random sarcastic libertarian on the internet, who had to do the news media's job for them in this case for some reason. Until someone comes up with a better one, I'm gonna stick with that reason being antilibertarian news media bias. I've been making that case about the news media for a while here, and frankly, it's getting easier & easier...
JMR
At least when he ran for Prez
January 23, 2007 - 06:35 ET by bigtimerAt least when he ran for Prez as a Libertarian, he wanted us OUT of the UN.
That is my point exactly sarc...that is why I loved him, I remember he wanted us OUT of the UN, then I heard him last year or better, complaining and whining that we didn't go through the UN to go to war do this or that or some such blather blah blah blah....my point is all of the sudden he had this sudden fondness for the UN....my jaw dropped. I was so disappointed, but I had been by then already...he just had put the frosting on the cake for me.
I have been watching Ron Paul for years and years sarc....I could never vote for him for Pres anymore than I could McCain.
You want someone who really is doing something about spending and making a difference it is Coburn...I agree with you about Paul and his spending, but he is off the deep end in other ways for me. What I have seen is him change over the years...to my disappointment, I used to love the guy.
I agree with you about spending...Judd Gregg is trying to get that changed in the Senate right now, he is up against Byrd with this...it is going to be interesting to see what happens with the vote, so far as I can see it is going to be a separate vote altogether...it may be one of the most important votes that happen to curtail spending in a long time, it may have the reverse effect depending on the Pres. but I care a lot about spending too....Paul is not the answer to me.
Btw...I have heard he is running....I thought you meant super-duper secret....albeit it has been mentioned very little, but it has been mentioned here and there with the good ol' mighty useless press.
"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under." Ronald Reagan
Ok, aside from issues like
January 23, 2007 - 07:41 ET by sarcasmoOk, aside from issues like Coburn, Paul-personally, or the UN (which IMO is helped more in one day by patrician, big spending Republicans like the one in the Whitehouse than whatever Dr. Paul could have said, which I missed, but I was against the Iraq war, too, yet 'for' taking Dave Barry's advice & just-killing Saddam) you've gotten me interested. I've been doing my best but I've heard 0 mention of him from non-libertarian media sources. IOW, where, if you're able to recall, besides here of course, in the good ol' mighty useless press did you hear Dr. Ron Paul's potential Presidential candidacy mentioned? I'm pretty sure it wasn't Fox News or MSNBC...
JMR
In fairness, I must point o
January 23, 2007 - 08:53 ET by sarcasmoIn fairness, I must point out that apparently Dr. Paul himself seems to disagree with me. I might be a bit hyper-attuned to how the media covers this....
JMR
I am constantly amazed that
January 23, 2007 - 05:06 ET by MyKindaSpamI am constantly amazed that the peolple who complain that the government was incompetent in the way it handled Katrina, the aftermath of the Iraq war and what they call the "disaster" of the economy, actually want the same government to be responsible for an entire country's medical care. Why do they expect the government to suddenly be competent in handling large, sweeping, non-military programs for civilian society?
These are the same people who couldn't adequetely plan for the disarray in Iraq after major operations ceased, but liberals somehow think they will be able to succesfully plan a major medical scheme that will control the health care of every citizen? The same people who created social security and Medicare programs that are going bankrupt and who couldn't even get water and food to a desperate people after a national disaster? They call the governent-run educational system an utter failure, but now, they think the government will get one right? Are they that naive or do they just want to turn slowly turn America toward socialism?
There is one thing that "uinversal health care" will do; all Americans will become "universally' unhappy with their health care.
"Why do they expect th
January 23, 2007 - 05:23 ET by sarcasmo"Why do they expect the government to suddenly be competent in handling large, sweeping, non-military programs for civilian society?"
I ask the same question all the time about "conservatives" and the tax and spend drugwar. (IOW, I hope you're not expecting an actually-intelligent answer!)
JMR
Well said, Spam!! But I fe
January 23, 2007 - 06:26 ET by motherbeltWell said, Spam!! But I fear your last conjecture (socialism) may be right. For some people, it's simply not FAIR for some to have more or better than others. So if they can't have the best, they will simply work to take it away from those that do. It's an attitude of "If I'm miserable, then everyone should be; that's only FAIR."
Where do I start?
January 23, 2007 - 06:13 ET by niner-four-whiskeyThe system is so horribly broken, in so many ways.
First off, the customer (patient) is not the one paying the merchant (doctor). Anytime that someone gets in between a transaction like this a conflict of interests is inevitable.
A long time ago, we had health *insurance*. It was intended to protect the insured from ruinous financial burden in the event of severe health problems.
This is distinctly different from a health *plan*. A health plan purports to the buyer that it covers ordinary and routine expenses. Kind of like a service policy on a new car that covers oil changes, wiper blades and minor repairs. It's a service bundle. Anyone who's had a service plan on the their car can probably relate a story of going in for some problem and having it excluded by the fine print somehow. But it is easy to sell to scared folks, the folks who are looking at 72 months of payments they can barely afford in the first place. Note the fear factor.
Why have these concepts merged? Well, it is simple. Health care generates a huge amount of revenue. Why should it all go to doctors when it could go to executive bonuses for financial experts? See, they capture the revenue stream (your money), limit expenditures (payments to doctors) and generate a profit and executive bonuses and stock options.
It is really that simple. It is a way to screw doctors and patients out of their health care money, all in the name of fear.
For that, we get a system that is horribly lopsided and is not working in the interests of patients or doctors, but in the interests of large financial institutions called insurance companies and HMO's. The guy in the middle (insurance company/HMO/plan provider) only interest is in taking in revenue and paying as little of it out as possible.
Ask any doctor, they aren't making money like they used to 20 years ago. Ask any patient, they are paying more than ever and getting less service in return.
But look at the profits in the HMO industry!!! Up 21% in 2005:
http://www.weissrati...
Dig around and you'll see where the big giant sucking sound is coming from.
Apart from being an awful s
January 23, 2007 - 06:41 ET by Jack BauerApart from being an awful system of rationing, here's something else American cheerleaders for socialist medicine don't seem to understand...
When you have a NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE run by the government, pouring ever increasing sums of tax payers money into a bottomless pit...
PEOPLE ARE NEVER SATISFIED.
A country could spend its entire GDP on socialized medicine and the ungrateful people will still...
BLAME the politicians and the government in charge for every problem they face over health.
Wait till Democrats get that point. That voters will be looking AT THEM and BLAMING THEM when they have to wait a year for an operation.
Proud member of the all-powerful and vast militarist/industrialist/capitalist/zionist-bagelist complex
People never-being-satisfie
January 23, 2007 - 08:03 ET by sarcasmoPeople never-being-satisfied is one of the problems, but the other one is more subtle...It puts a financial incentive towards nannyism and big government. How, you ask? Well, under socialist medicine's "utopia," it's suddenly very interesting to Jack Bauer's wallet that sarcasmo's waiting for a commercial break in order to go outside & smoke a cigarette. It's NOT 'just' sarcasmo's body anymore, hard working Jack Bauer -- a Proud member of the all-powerful and vast militarist/industrialist/capitalist/zionist-bagelist complex -- and others like him all have to pay for sarcasmo's tobacco irresponsibility, as if he doesn't already pay enough taxes for the filthy habit!! Spending's too high, there's a crisis, therefore let's start increasing the control-freakery! Yippee!!
JMR
It puts a financial incenti
January 23, 2007 - 08:24 ET by Jack BauerIt puts a financial incentive towards nannyism and big government.
sarc-- that's the whole idea. The only 'army' socialists want to build is an army of people who have a direct financial interest in massive government, either thru employment or thru benefits.
Smaller numbers of the 'rich' are taxed higher and higher to employ or provide entitlements to larger numbers of 'poor'.
So when people complain to the politicians that their 'state' health service isn't giving them what they want, when they want it -- they'll just throw more tax payers money at it.
And why not, the people they are taxing don't vote for them anyway.
And believe me, those politicians will eventually include so-called conservative and Republicans. It's a one way streeet to massive government intrusion into a citizen's life.
Funny enough, that type of governement intrusion that destroys all thoughts of individual responsibility for one's own life, is 'good' to leftists.
Though the NSA listening in to a terrorist suspect's cell phone calls is 'bad.'
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Well, on the subject of mon
January 23, 2007 - 08:40 ET by sarcasmoWell, on the subject of monitoring phonecalls, if you'll recall the debate months-ago my continual point, amid senseless name-calling, was, and I directly-quote myself: "Go get a warrant." Looking at what's happened since, it's almost like I could say those words everyone-here always hates to hear coming out of sarcasmo's mouth: "I told you so." Happily, now the Bush administration & the FISA court have followed sarcasmo's brave leadership months-ago on NB, and apparently -- albeit in some mostly-secret way -- done exactly what I said for them to go-do. I don't know why my ego's not even bigger! ;)
JMR
Blowing your own trumpet (o
January 23, 2007 - 08:54 ET by Jack BauerBlowing your own trumpet (oaky, if you can't who can) However let's not rereun that one.
I was just trying to make a point that in the vast scheme of things, which is more egregious to individual liberty as envisioned by America's founding fathers:
1. A disputed legal interpretation of legislation in an age old tension between the branches of government. Or...
2. A classic collectivist ideology that depends entirely on making citizens suckle at the government teat, from cradle to grave. (And a Hillary presidency, IMHO.)
Once you get a self-perpetuating #2., I would suggest that #1 become irrelevant.
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On that we can entirely-agr
January 23, 2007 - 08:59 ET by sarcasmoOn that we can entirely-agree.
JMR
sarc -- I knew I could temp
January 23, 2007 - 09:23 ET by Jack Bauersarc -- I knew I could tempt ya with that nightmare scenario. And it could happen.
Conservatives and libertarians write off the Hilderbeast at their peril. Owning the main media sentiments, never being asked tough questions by network TV sychophants, having others do your hit pieces...
It's all still rather a large advanatage, even in today's new mediums.
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Perfect post.
January 23, 2007 - 08:35 ET by BlondePerfect post.
Oh, my goodness, I'm not ev
January 23, 2007 - 08:42 ET by sarcasmoOh, my goodness, I'm not ever up to that level, especially this early in the morning. But thanks for the kind words, Blonde (now, if they'd ever just run that commercial...)
JMR
I remember when Clinton was i
January 23, 2007 - 09:23 ET by msh1973I remember when Clinton was in the WH, Rush referred to their programs as the "womb to the tomb".
It seems to be a common falla
January 23, 2007 - 09:32 ET by Chris NormanIt seems to be a common fallacy to assume that Big Business naturally supports the conservative viewpoint. A growing government helps many of them prosper...
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
Sorry Amy, but your comments
January 23, 2007 - 13:47 ET by BruzillaSorry Amy, but your comments about the health insurance are wayyyy off the mark. I've been working in the industry for some time now, and I can tell you you're wrong on a lot of things.
The reason that heath insurance prices have been going up is not because of the health insurers. We work as basically a funnel for moving money from patients to providers (hospitals, doctors, labs, etc.), and how much money we take in as premiums is based mostly on how much we have to pay out to providers, and to a lesser extent on the administrative costs of providing customer service and maintaining mandated levels of cash reserves to cover calamaties. The costs associated with providing service increases year-to-year at a fairly steady, and low, rate... but the fees for service of the providers can jump greatly, which results in increased premiums.
Would Hillary's "universal health care" have put us out of business? That's a myth that's easily disproven by the impact that Medicare & Medicaid had. The US government is not an ideal organization to handle servicing millions of medical claims each month, so they would contract that work out to us just like they do with M&M. The big issue that insurers had with Hillarycare was that it placed a lot of limits on what money would be coming into the pot, and no limits on what providers could charge. In order to sell the program, Hillary was promising folks they could still go to their doctor, could still pick their own doctor, get most all of the services they get now, etc., and all without having to pay premiums. That is an unworkable solution, and we knew that. The only way that universal healthcare can work is to increase the amounts currently being paid into the system by patients and companies to cover the costs of the uninsured, and forcing the providers to lower costs, which the Democrats were unwilling to do.
The plans that Rendell and Arnold are proposing are not going to provide increased revenue flows to insurers. As more uninsured people rush out to get healthcare, the providers are going to be driving their prices higher now that they can start making up for the losses they incurred treating uncovered patients. This is going to mean an increase in costs every year, and higher taxes every year since there will be zero incentive for them to lower costs.
If you want to lower healthcare costs and increase access to healthcare you need to:
A. Require providers to clearly post how much their services cost. Most patients have no clue how much a service actually costs because most of it is covered by insurance.
B. Reduce the levels of coverage provided by insurance. As patients have to pay more and more of their costs out-of-pocket, they will be more inclined to shop around for better prices. We saw this happen big time with Medicare Part D. Patients who refused to consider generics became huge fans of generics once they figured out they could save thousands in out-of-pocket costs by using them.
You want to make health insurers faster and smarter? Try taking off some of the gazillion privacy, service, access, etc., regulations that everyone from the guy who empties the trash to the CEO have to comply with every single day! You think folks on the phone like having to take forever to sort through reams of data in multiple databases, with different access requirements? Heck no, but they have to in order to comply with all the federal, state, and local regulations PLUS requirements that individual customers have.
Lastly, your idea for a Progressive-like health insurance price shopping service is also off the mark. You can go to the websites of any of the insurers you mention and get a rate quote in a matter of minutes. Is it a quickie one-stop-shop like Progressive? No, but isn't the justification for patients using high-cost providers that there's no scrimping when it comes to healthcare? So why should spending five minutes on three or four websites be such a burden?
Anyone who thinks Bush's heal
January 23, 2007 - 14:18 ET by blarsenAnyone who thinks Bush's healthcare plan is actually about healthcare--well, I have a bridge I want to sell you. Why did he suddenly come up with this lame plan anyway? Why hasn't Bush seriously addressed the healthcare issue until now? I'll tell why, if you haven't figured it out already. His healthcare plan is just to kill time in the State of the Union speech to avoid talking about the elephant in the room--Iraq. He knows the the Dems will kill this plan so he can use it against them in the future, and then he'll whine about how he tried to fix the healthcare system, but the Dems wouldn't let him. Don't believe me? Let's see how much time is devoted to healthcare and how much is spent on Iraq. This speech will be short and geared away from Iraq as much as possible.
I agree with your A and B sug
January 23, 2007 - 14:40 ET by dscottI agree with your A and B suggestions to lower health care costs. But you have to go one step further, in order to clearly post what each service costs, you have to end the special discounting to the insurance companies, Medicare and Medicaid. Whether you are insured or not, you should pay the same price. Surely you realize by now that in order to get the so called negotiated discount, the hospitals are just jacking up the price. It's no different than a store raising the sticker price and then advertising a sale with 20% off. Doing this will stop screwing over those without insurance, the cost shifting and facetous billing from health care providers and it will reduced the administrative overhead for everyone. It is up to you the insurance companies to incentivize your clients to use the health care system with efficacy.
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Thanks for your informative c
January 23, 2007 - 20:04 ET by Amy RidenourThanks for your informative comments, Bruzilla. I certainly agree with your "A," "B," and your implied "C" about regulation. Much of what you commented on, though, was me reprinting David Hogberg's opinion, so I have directed his attention to what you posted here. He plans to comment on this here later, possibly tomorrow, as he has a deadline on something else today.
Just for myself -- if memory serves, 13 years ago I did equate the issue you describe in the parenthetical ("The big issue that insurers had with Hillarycare was that it placed a lot of limits on what money would be coming into the pot, and no limits on what providers could charge.") with putting health insurers out of business. I seem to recall thinking it was an intentional move as a strategic step toward single-payer care.
David Hogberg can't get a new
January 24, 2007 - 15:06 ET by Amy RidenourDavid Hogberg can't get a newsbusters account for some reason, so he sent me his response to post, Bruzulla.
The rest of this comment is from David Hogberg: